SSC Ultimate Aero breaks the world speed record

[bruxell]

Originally Posted by 70cuda88

THe veyron didnt come about to be the just "the fastest car ever" it was much more

Not according to Ferdinand Piech it wasn't! He made sure that the car was the fastest ever; that it had 1000bhp when the engineers wanted it to have around 800, and that it went over 250. Those were the requirements he laid down.

Originally Posted by 70cuda88

Im pretty sure the SSC couldn't do 257 a second time.(or at least without killing someone.) The Veyron was not made with so much money because they couldn't reach that speed for cheap, its that they wanted to leave a mark. Who cares if some modified overpriced car thats never going to be made again beats the recent speed record by 4mph. People are going to be talking about the Veyron for centuries to come. Thats because it has style, handling, luxury, speed, and reliability. and i think 4mph less with 1400lbs more already makes it amazing.

Right, because that’s what happens every time any other hypercar is taken to it’s maximum… Have you considered for even a minute that SSC might just be a talented group of people who pulled off something pretty big? Is it strictly important in your mind that Volkswagen, VOLKSWAGEN!!! Somehow build the ultimate supercar? The SSC has been in high-speed testing for months, and they are going to try to go over 257 in conjunction with a magazine test, at a track, where the Veyron did it’s only high-speed runs.

[The_Canuck]

Originally Posted by bruxell

Fanboy? How so? I don't think I've stated that I think either car is very useful, or clever. I just don't happen to think that the Veyron deserves as much attention as it gets, while the SSC is largely ignored. It's faster, maybe not by enough to impress Canadians, but it is faster, and that's the point with these otherwise useless cars. By the way, I've not noticed any change of heart from you either.

Both cars are useless you say? Then leave it at that.

None of this, one ugly ass POS is better than the other ugly ass POS, nonsense.

Your fanboyism stems from you seemingly knowing every statistic about the SSC and constantly trying to prove it's better. Who cares? they're both utter garbage.

[bruxell]

I'm not sure I said that they were both utter garbage either. I think they're both cars, that go very fast, and I'm prone to liking such things, just not taking them too seriously.
Again, as I've stated, I just don't understand why people are so cynical about the SSC, while the Veyron is vaunted for being basically the same thing but with AWD, a pair of paddles behind the wheel, and tons of chrome. That's all, either you care about this crap, or you don't, and if you do, then I don't see why one car is vastly more pointless than the other, which seems to be the popular view. I do happen to care a little bit, mostly because when I was young it was all my annoying shool-boy friends and I argued about.
As I've also stated before, I kinda like the underdog aspect of SSC. They don't really have the resorces to compete with VAG, but they beat them at their own game, if only by a small margin. It enders them to me slightly. Combine that with the fact that people are dismissing what is a huge (if entierly pointless) accomplishment, and I just find myself more on their side.
Then there's the slightly sinister aspect of people dismissing them for being American, and I don't mean you Canuck. No forign magazine has ever tested the S7 for top speed either, and when a British mag does give it a chance, the talk about it like the body being made in England makes the car British. The same thing is happening with this car, and it's stupid. If, tomorrow, the CCX-R went 260, a lot of these same people would Destroy their keyboards trying to type praise high enough. It's just stupid. George Bush doesn't make every American product worthless.

That's why this has gotten under my skin. I just think the car deserves the same chance as any other...

[2ndclasscitizen]

Originally Posted by bruxell

I really don't like that VW had to go and buy the Bugatti name as I think the Veyron completely fails to live up to the core brand values.

Bollocks. Bugatti's of old were the fastest, most luxurious cars money could buy. The Veyron is just a modern day Royale.

[Sledgehammer]

Originally Posted by bruxell

Again, as I've stated, I just don't understand why people are so cynical about the SSC,

Don’t misinterpret cynicism for a lack of admiration. The SSC set out to do what it was built for and their goal was achieved. I applaud them for that. However, you are comparing the SSC to the Veyron ONLY on the bases that they are both fast. For this comparison, you mine as well throw all cars that have gone over 240 mph. This would include the McLaren F1. When the F1 came out, people were stunned by the fact that it could go that fast, but that speed came at a price. "It's not that it can do 252mph, it's the way it manages to do 252 so effortlessly that impresses me most. At high speed, a McLaren F1 feels like the Bell X-1, a mass of vibrations and terror. At high speed, the Bugatti feels like an Airbus - solid, planted, safe." (-J.C.) I am quite willing to bet the SSC felt similar to the F1.

Engineering feats (real hard feats) also must not compromise on anything. The Veyron's cornering ability has been regarded as that of an Elise, yet, far more comfortable, which is quite a difficult combination. The SSC has compromises, price excluded. Sure it’s less than a Veyron but realistically, the chance you or I owning one are about the same as being gnawed to death by a platoon of woodlice (ibid).

Another thing is this, the SSC went out to beat a car, the Veyron went out to beat nature herself.

The thing here is that the Veyron didn’t set-out to see how many records they could break. They wanted to know how well they could build a car that had 1000bhp, go 250 mph, corner like an Elise, while having the luxury, drivability, and (arguable) the looks to be called aesthetically pleasing.

This might be one-sided, but before you think me ignorant, I would rather have a TVR Cerbera Speed 12 than either of these and that is saying something.

Bottom line is this, which would be faster around a track?

[bruxell]

Originally Posted by 2ndclasscitizen

Bollocks. Bugatti's of old were the fastest, most luxurious cars money could buy. The Veyron is just a modern day Royale.

Bollocks. Rolls Royce and Maybach made the most luxurious cars in the world at the time, and the most refined. At several points Alfa Romeo and Mercedes made faster cars for both road and track. Bugatti made cars that were light and agile, and the Veyron is neither of those things. It weighs a well over two tons.

And if you look at the front of a Royal, you’ll see a hood ornament, a large, white elephant! That car didn’t hold to core Bugatti values either, and that’s why it failed.

[bruxell]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

When the F1 came out, people were stunned by the fact that it could go that fast, but that speed came at a price. "It's not that it can do 252mph, it's the way it manages to do 252 so effortlessly that impresses me most. At high speed, a McLaren F1 feels like the Bell X-1, a mass of vibrations and terror. At high speed, the Bugatti feels like an Airbus - solid, planted, safe." (-J.C.) I am quite willing to bet the SSC felt similar to the F1.

You do have a point here, albeit, not one of which I’m fond. Do keep in mind though, that Clarkson’s entire career is based on Hyperbolic use of Hyperbole; nothing he says should be taken as anything other than exaggeration…

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

Engineering feats (real hard feats) also must not compromise on anything. The Veyron's cornering ability has been regarded as that of an Elise, yet, far more comfortable, which is quite a difficult combination. The SSC has compromises, price excluded. Sure it’s less than a Veyron but realistically, the chance you or I owning one are about the same as being gnawed to death by a platoon of woodlice (ibid).

I have no real desire to own either car; though I am glad they both exist. The Veyron though can only be compared to an Elise in terms of the ease with which it goes around a corner. Unlike the little Lotus, it’s numb and possesses no real feedback. It’s like the old Mitsubishi 3000gt, capable, but un-ivolving.

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

Another thing is this, the SSC went out to beat a car, the Veyron went out to beat nature herself.
The thing here is that the Veyron didn’t set-out to see how many records they could break. They wanted to know how well they could build a car that had 1000bhp, go 250 mph, corner like an Elise, while having the luxury, drivability, and (arguable) the looks to be called aesthetically pleasing.

Don’t kid yourself, Germans designed the Veyron, and as such they had direct performance targets n their sights. Most of those targets were in Woking…
And the looks are the way they are only because Piech demanded that the new supercar be based on an untested showcar shape. Remember how long the Veyron took to get to market? It’s because VAG started the design process backwards and the car wasn’t stable in the least. Remember the months we spent watching the car fall of the ring backwards? The reason it’s able to corner as well as it does is that the computers are constantly holding the car back…

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

Bottom line is this, which would be faster around a track?

I honestly couldn’t care less, but I wouldn’t bet on the Bug. It’s too heavy, and compromised. The SSC is closer to a track car in every way.

[P4g4nite]

Good for them if that was their goal, mission accomplished.

But, unfortunately the bar they've raised by 1.XX% was already so ridiculously high that few people care anymore. It's like those competition sound systems people install in their Hondas, I mean who cares if they can get to 180dB or 190dB if you can't enjoy anything that loud.


Actually, consider this: If you needed to go 400Kph, what car would you take? A car designed by 150 Germans with years to work and a bottomless budget or something screwed together by far less people with far less money in far less time?

[bruxell]

Originally Posted by P4g4nite

...consider this: If you needed to go 400Kph, what car would you take? A car designed by 150 Germans with years to work and a bottomless budget or something screwed together by far less people with far less money in far less time?

I believe I've already stated my answer to that question. The one built by a few Swedes, or the one built by a Mustang tuner from Southern California. But seriously, I'd buy the SSC before the Veyron any day. It's more exciting, and I like the idea behind it more.

[Hieronymus]

- it is ugly as hell
- american made (piece of shit)
- probly handles terribly
- and the bugatti is amazing because it is luxurious, good looking, and the engine is two of the aero engines combined, and vw put so much money intoit that it costs VW roughly 5 to sell each car for 2mil so they loose 3mil everytime they sell it

[f6fhellcat13]

Thanx for rezzing a 1 yr old thread to resate old points.

[thevipermanv10]

lets put the dodge viper SVS stryker twin turbo rs against it, it does 231.6mph in the standing mile and weight lots more than the scc aero.

[kingofthering]

Let's not and let this thread die in peace.

[f6fhellcat13]

No, we should shoot it in the back of the head, execution style.

[kingofthering]

Originally Posted by f6fhellcat13

No, we should shoot it in the back of the head, execution style.

Terry-wrist.