Cadillac CTS-V Spyshots

[Slicks]

Originally Posted by NicFromLA

I'll stick with the M5 thank you. Or if that's not available I'll take an RS6. Or if that's not available I'll take an E63. Or if that's not available I'll take an S6. Should I go on?

I hope you like how the CTS-V's rear end looks, because you will be seeing it a lot!

[pearsonhaus]

Originally Posted by fisetdavid26

I like it. Cadillac are making progress with every generation.

I agree... To bad it has taken so long. I'm ready for it to hit the streets...

[The_Canuck]

Originally Posted by Slicks

I hope you like how the CTS-V's rear end looks, because you will be seeing it a lot!

How unfortuanate.

[nota]

Originally Posted by The_Canuck

How unfortuanate.

Don't worry. Cadillac V-series has been a total sales flop for GM

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/769657-post13.html

For perspective, even tiny HSV (for Oz sales alone and despite its one-platform range) comfortably outsells the entire multi-platform range of Cadillac V models

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by nota

Don't worry. Cadillac V-series has been a total sales flop for GM

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/769657-post13.html

For perspective, even tiny HSV (for Oz sales alone and despite its one-platform range) comfortably outsells the entire multi-platform range of Cadillac V models

Well, don't HSV products technically sell in Europe and USA as well?

[nota]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Well, don't HSV products technically sell in Europe and USA as well?

Definately not in the US, or Europe afaik? But yes small (quota-limited) numbers of HSVs are imported into the UK (even those outsell wordwide Cad XLR-V sales!) and New Zulland of course, plus recently announced HSV exports for the Middle East under the CSV label

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by nota

Don't worry. Cadillac V-series has been a total sales flop for GM

Sales do not always indicate quality or quality for price.

In this case, I'd say Holden would have a better chance with their offerings as Holden is seen as an Australian company.

This of course does not mean to say that the HSV vehicles are worse than Cadillac's V series.

[culver]

Originally Posted by nota

Don't worry. Cadillac V-series has been a total sales flop for GM

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/769657-post13.html

For perspective, even tiny HSV (for Oz sales alone and despite its one-platform range) comfortably outsells the entire multi-platform range of Cadillac V models

They are good cars sales or no. Are you saying you are happy the company hasn't been selling the V models as well as they would hope? I would hope that anyone who is an auto enthusiast would applaud the attempt (as they are actually good attempts). Also, if the products really are good then it may simply be a matter of getting sales momentum. Hyundai is experiencing this now. They had good products that weren't really selling because it takes time to get the word out. Anyway, even if the cars are the equal of the competition it takes time to convince people to give them a chance. If the actual idea is good and viable then they should be persistent rather than giving up early.

[nota]

Originally Posted by Kitdy

Sales do not always indicate quality or quality for price.

In this case, I'd say Holden would have a better chance with their offerings as Holden is seen as an Australian company.

This of course does not mean to say that the HSV vehicles are worse than Cadillac's V series.

Well, Cadillac is seen as an American company so it's quid pro quo isn't it, if I understand you correctly? My point was, that despite our comparatively tiny market, more aussies buy HSVs than amercians buy V-series Cadillacs

[nota]

Originally Posted by culver

They are good cars sales or no. Are you saying you are happy the company hasn't been selling the V models as well as they would hope? I would hope that anyone who is an auto enthusiast would applaud the attempt (as they are actually good attempts). Also, if the products really are good then it may simply be a matter of getting sales momentum. Hyundai is experiencing this now. They had good products that weren't really selling because it takes time to get the word out. Anyway, even if the cars are the equal of the competition it takes time to convince people to give them a chance. If the actual idea is good and viable then they should be persistent rather than giving up early.

What I am saying is this:

Given the utterly pathetic sales results for both V-series and Cadillac-Europe, despite an obviously large 'investment' - that a poorly run, dire-straits, cash strapped outfit like GMNA would have been better off devoting these vast millions of squandered money towards a different, better result, ie a more productive return of investment. Any return of investment would be an improvement!

Cadillac's hot rod last year carried a suggested retail price of $52,170, well above the M3's $48,900 sticker and nearly as steep as the C55 AMG's $54,450 price tag. What may have given prospective buyers even greater pause might have been the $21,500 premium the CTS-V carried over the base '07 CTS, which listed for $30,670. The '08 STS-V and XLR-V carry similarly stiff price premiums of $24,745 and $19,100 respectively over the standard versions of these cars.

Simply put, Cadillac has demonstrated that it doesn't have the cachet with enthusiasts to pull off that sort of price premium on its high-end models.

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by nota

Well, Cadillac is seen as an American company so it's quid pro quo isn't it, if I understand you correctly? My point was, that despite our comparatively tiny market, more aussies buy HSVs than amercians buy V-series Cadillacs

My point was that Australians are more likely to buy an Australian made and built car even though a foreign one may be superior.

[nota]

Originally Posted by Kitdy

My point was that Australians are more likely to buy an Australian made and built car even though a foreign one may be superior.

Cadillacs aren't sold here

HSV's aren't sold there (in the US)

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by nota

Cadillacs aren't sold here

HSV's aren't sold there (in the US)

Ah, I have misread a lot of stuff it seems. That's what I get for scanning.

I the V Series does not sell as Cadillacs do not have the reputation of Audi, BMW, or Mercedes.

[nota]

Originally Posted by Kitdy

Ah, I have misread a lot of stuff it seems. That's what I get for scanning.

(on reflection I could have explained it better)

I the V Series does not sell as Cadillacs do not have the reputation of Audi, BMW, or Mercedes.

Nor the brand-cachet, I guess. Speaking of reputation, I do wonder whether the sales disaster of Cadillac-Europe is as much a result of european political opinion (not wanting to buy or be seen in this most American of brands) as to any specific product deficiencies?

[P4g4nite]

Originally Posted by The_Canuck

Waay to angular...

But imagine how much time you will save avoiding missile-lock.