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[drakkie]

I saw a MPS-ish version of the RX8 coming of the boat this week.Looked awesome Anybody got a clue what it could be ?

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by f6fhellcat13

Forced induction rotaries are always a tempting, but very dangerous prospect.

Explain.

[f6fhellcat13]

Turboed RX-7s are notoriously delicate (as are RX-7s in general).
Maybe Mazda has worked out the kinks on the current Renesis, but I doubt it.
It's tempting cuz it gives some desperatly needed torque.

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by f6fhellcat13

Turboed RX-7s are notoriously delicate (as are RX-7s in general).
Maybe Mazda has worked out the kinks on the current Renesis, but I doubt it.
It's tempting cuz it gives some desperatly needed torque.

Maybe that was just endemic to the RX-7.

My dealie is you can't change the compression ratio on a rotary easily I'd imagine (due to it's nature) and you generally want to decrease CR on a forced induction car so how would this work exactly? Would you just slap a turbo on and overstress the engine?

[cmcpokey]

the rotaries are naturally better suited to turbos due to their pretty well continuous exhaust pressure. however the weak point on them are the apex seals. the first turbo 13B engines had fairly weak apex seals, and when they were tuned without upgrading them, they woudl fail, and you woudl have a very nice 13B paperweight. the later turbo 13Bs on the FD were drastically upgraded compared to the FC turbos, so they suffered a lot less. unfortunately they were even easier to up the power, and so with bigger turbos, the same situation woudl ensue.

turbo rotaries are not inherently dangerous. when you couple huge boost to no internal upgrades, then you get major issues.

[clutch-monkey]

Originally Posted by cmcpokey

MX-8 anybody?

but no. i am fundementally against this. there is no reason to do that. put that engine in the MX-5 and have a real beast. the RX shoudl stay a rotary. the rotary should always have their own model, unless they stick the rotary in another car (like the miata).

Originally Posted by roosterjuicer

as far as im concerned, the following is a rule of law from this point forward:

In any Mazda car featuring the suffix "r" followed by "x" followed by any number thereafter it is absolutely necessary that said car be powered by a rotary engine.

-any infraction of this law is punishable by public flogging with either a wet towel (when rotary is replaced with other more potent mazda motor) or a four studded whip (when rotary is replaced with any GM "L" series motor)
-note, the r-100 also falls under this law.

haha! good posts, agreed on the mx-8 idea.
imo give the RX-8 a 3 rotor, like the cosmos. whilst the ms3 engine idea is intriguing, maybe make a separate model of the RX-8 to do it

Originally Posted by Kitdy

Maybe that was just endemic to the RX-7.

My dealie is you can't change the compression ratio on a rotary easily I'd imagine (due to it's nature) and you generally want to decrease CR on a forced induction car so how would this work exactly? Would you just slap a turbo on and overstress the engine?

maybe, maybe not. don't forget mazda has actually built at least three RX-8 SP's (turbocharged), but for whatever reasons could not make a good enough business case to put them into full scale production. i suspect the worsened reliability was a factor

[blingbling]

what about an rx-8 with two rotary engines, maybe one powering each rear wheel.

[NSXType-R]

Totally defeats the purpose of an RX-8, but it would definitely be cool. Cooler still would be a RENESIS MX-5, like someone else mentioned. Wouldn't need much torque anyway, since it's light.

[kingofthering]

Wouldn't be a big fan of it, but I'd be totally for the swap if it were the other way around.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by cmcpokey

MX-8 anybody?

but no. i am fundementally against this. there is no reason to do that. put that engine in the MX-5 and have a real beast. the RX shoudl stay a rotary. the rotary should always have their own model, unless they stick the rotary in another car (like the miata).

agree, nothing more to add.
built an official extremer version of the MX-5, that's all I'm asking.

[Bleeding Heart]

Originally Posted by blingbling

what about an rx-8 with two rotary engines, maybe one powering each rear wheel.

What if one of those engines were to fail? You'll end up with a car with 1 wheel drive.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Heart

What if one of those engines were to fail? You'll end up with a car with 1 wheel drive.

what if all gears of the transmission except one were to fail?
you'll end up with a car with 1 gear.

[Niko_Fx]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

agree, nothing more to add.
built an official extremer version of the MX-5, that's all I'm asking.

Then you'd be driving a really fast hairdresser's car

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by Niko_Fx

Then you'd be driving a really fast hairdresser's car

here hairdresser's don't buy MX-5.
and I think the car is small and light enough to be fun to drive with some more hp and torque. considering I don't like tuning and the likes, I would prefer an official Mazda version of it.
I saw some excellent aftermarket conversions on the previous gen, so, why not?

[Niko_Fx]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

here hairdresser's don't buy MX-5.
and I think the car is small and light enough to be fun to drive with some more hp and torque. considering I don't like tuning and the likes, I would prefer an official Mazda version of it.
I saw some excellent aftermarket conversions on the previous gen, so, why not?

Because it's a hairdresser's car?

JK, I actually like MX-5s... the new one or the old MPS only. Too small for me, but I like them.