Audi Q7 facelift Officially revealed

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by Street_Dreamer

For what reason? (Would I pick one over the Q7 which i prefer I mean)

Because it's a better drive, faster and more frugal. It's probably more comfortable too.

[Street_Dreamer]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Because it's a better drive, faster and more frugal. It's probably more comfortable too.

But I prefer the interior of the Q7, although the R-Class will likely have better middle + rear seats, as well as the exterior. The combined figure is also 30.4mpg (I think), and we all know that won't happen, because combined figures never are reached. My mum gets 28mpg from her pre-facelift Q7, and I doubt the R320 CDI (the alternative) would get any better.

Do you buy an R-Class or Q7 for speed? You want enough to get you around places, so yeah, R320 over R280, but you still don't need anything too rapid. 8.5seconds to 60 for the Q7 3.0TDI isn't bad at all, compared to 8.7 0.62 for the R-Class, so they're pretty much the same in that respect.

[NicFromLA]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Then you need a Merc R-Class.

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Because it's a better drive, faster and more frugal. It's probably more comfortable too.

The R-Class is horrible, both in terms of looks and build quality.

I used to think these big SUVs were useless until my friend and his wife had twins, now, between car seats and dipper bags and strollers, their Volvo XC-70 is full to the brim just to go to dinner at his parents' house.

Well what about MPVs? They don't sell any in the US that aren't complete crap to drive and ugly as well. Also most of them aren't AWD, which if you live in many parts of the US you need.

Well what about estates (station wagons)? The American estate cars are crap, few Japanese companies make them, few are AWD and MB and Audi have gone for a more stylish look and aren't that roomy in the cargo area.

I used to REALLY hate SUVs, but now I'm starting to understand them. However, I'd still like to see more diesel versions made available for the US and more Americans buy them.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by NicFromLA

Well what about MPVs? They don't sell any in the US that aren't complete crap to drive and ugly as well. Also most of them aren't AWD, which if you live in many parts of the US you need.

I think proper tires are far more important than four wheel drive for slippery conditions.

[LTSmash]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

I think proper tires are far more important than four wheel drive for slippery conditions.

I can vouch for this. I drove FWD where I used to live which had brutal winters from late November to early February. It was bad to drive with slick tires, but the all weather tires made driving so much easier. No more sliding through the intersection at a stop light.

[Ferrer]

The front wheel drive S80 with studded tires we had when we went to the Swedish Rally did just fine. We even crossed a lake with it and roads were usually covered with snow and ice.

[Street_Dreamer]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

I think proper tires are far more important than four wheel drive for slippery conditions.

Proper tires and 4WD... That's beneficial, my man.

[NicFromLA]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

I think proper tires are far more important than four wheel drive for slippery conditions.

One is good, both are better.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by Street_Dreamer

Erm. The whole point of the facelift thread is to use the facelifted data . New Q7 3.0 is 8.9l/100km while the 4.2TDI is 9.9l/100km. So it's cleaner than the 911. If you need a new frugal sports car, people, buy a Q7 diesel!!!

That's more frugal, not cleaner.
pollutant emissions aren't the same as the fuel consumption.
I took the 4.2 engines for the similar power delivered.
Obviously a Q7 equipped even with a 54 bhp 1.2 liter engine would require even less fuel.

I would argue much more about else, but I'm bored.

[Street_Dreamer]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

That's more frugal, not cleaner.
pollutant emissions aren't the same as the fuel consumption.
I took the 4.2 engines for the similar power delivered.
Obviously a Q7 equipped even with a 54 bhp 1.2 liter engine would require even less fuel.

I would argue much more about else, but I'm bored.

Sorry, I'd written that before I found the Q7 facelift emissions. When I gave up and couldn't find them, I didn't remember to rephrase The 4.2TDI was there mate. I put the 3.0TDI there as well cos it's the best seller.