2010 German Grand Prix (July 23 - 25)

[Wouter Melissen]

Practice 1:

Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:25.701 20
2 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:26.850 1.149 27
3 1 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.936 1.235 16
4 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:26.947 1.246 21
5 12 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:26.948 1.247 21
6 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:27.448 1.747 20
7 16 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:28.114 2.413 31
8 10 Nico Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:28.193 2.492 24
9 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:28.300 2.599 19
10 22 Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:28.486 2.785 23
11 5 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:28.735 3.034 21
12 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:28.735 3.034 21
13 11 Robert Kubica Renault 1:28.903 3.202 20
14 6 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:29.048 3.347 13
15 18 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:29.280 3.579 17
16 17 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 1:29.366 3.665 34
17 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:29.429 3.728 8
18 25 Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:29.500 3.799 19
19 8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:29.684 3.983 15
20 23 Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:29.690 3.989 17
21 19 Fairuz Fauzy Lotus-Cosworth 1:30.938 5.237 27
22 21 Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:31.720 6.019 23
23 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:32.450 6.749 13
24 20 Sakon Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 1:32.791 7.090 26

[Wouter Melissen]

Practice 2:

Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:16.265 35
2 5 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:16.294 0.029 26
3 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:16.438 0.173 37
4 6 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:16.585 0.320 40
5 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:16.827 0.562 32
6 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:16.971 0.706 20
7 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:17.004 0.739 10
8 11 Robert Kubica Renault 1:17.009 0.744 37
9 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:17.056 0.791 37
10 10 Nico Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:17.204 0.939 44
11 23 Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:17.336 1.071 44
12 12 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:17.547 1.282 35
13 22 Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:17.573 1.308 39
14 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:17.701 1.436 38
15 1 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:17.739 1.474 36
16 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:17.871 1.606 33
17 16 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:18.147 1.882 45
18 17 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 1:19.327 3.062 48
19 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:19.553 3.288 30
20 18 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:20.008 3.743 34
21 25 Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:20.106 3.841 31
22 19 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:20.377 4.112 37
23 21 Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:21.988 5.723 37
24 20 Sakon Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 1:23.066 6.801 37

[pimento]

Quali:

1 5 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:15.152 1:14.249 1:13.791
2 8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:14.808 1:14.081 1:13.793
3 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:15.216 1:14.478 1:14.290
4 6 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:15.334 1:14.340 1:14.347
5 1 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:15.823 1:14.716 1:14.427
6 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:15.505 1:14.488 1:14.566
7 11 Robert Kubica Renault 1:15.736 1:14.835 1:15.079
8 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:16.398 1:14.698 1:15.109
9 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:16.178 1:15.018 1:15.179
10 10 Nico Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:16.387 1:14.943 1:15.339
11 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:16.084 1:15.026
12 23 Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:15.951 1:15.084
13 12 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:16.521 1:15.307
14 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:16.220 1:15.467
15 22 Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:16.450 1:15.550
16 17 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 1:16.664 1:15.588
17 16 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:16.029 1:15.974
18 18 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:17.583
19 19 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:18.300
20 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:18.343
21 21 Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:18.592
22 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:18.952
23 20 Sakon Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 1:19.844
24 25 Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth No time

[ringle]

Vettel "wasted" another Pole-Position.

[henk4]

TEAM ORDERS......here we go.

[Wouter Melissen]

Alonso takes controversial win:

Pos Driver Team Time
1. Alonso Ferrari 1h28:38.866
2. Massa Ferrari + 4.196
3. Vettel Red Bull-Renault + 5.121
4. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes + 26.896
5. Button McLaren-Mercedes + 29.482
6. Webber Red Bull-Renault + 43.606
7. Kubica Renault + 1 lap
8. Rosberg Mercedes + 1 lap
9. Schumacher Mercedes + 1 lap
10. Petrov Renault + 1 lap
11. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari + 1 lap
12. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth + 1 lap
13. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth + 1 lap
14. De la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari + 1 lap
15. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 1 lap
16. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes + 2 laps
17. Sutil Force India-Mercedes + 2 laps
18. Glock Virgin-Cosworth + 3 laps
19. Senna HRT-Cosworth + 4 laps

autosport.com - F1 News: Alonso leads Ferrari 1-2 in Germany

[pimento]

It'll be interesting to see whether or not this blatant case of team orders is penalised..

[Dino Scuderia]

Massa gave up his win in Brazil 07 for Kimi.....Kimi let Massa past at China 08, Heikki let Hamilton past to win this very race 2 years ago IIRC.

[wwgkd]

Given the 4 second lead it does appear that Massa was significantly slower, too.

[Dino Scuderia]

Oh...almost forgot the team telling Button to back off 'because of fuel' at Turkey when he and Ham were locking wheels.(after the Webber/Vettel tangle)

[pimento]

Originally Posted by wwgkd

Given the 4 second lead it does appear that Massa was significantly slower, too.

Not long before the order Massa was 3.5 seconds ahead of Alonso.

[pimento]

Originally Posted by The Australian

FERRARI, the most famous team in Formula One, could be banned for race-fixing after the result of the German Grand Prix was manipulated so that Fernando Alonso could win.

The team were found guilty of forcing Felipe Massa to move aside to allow Alonso, his team-mate, to pass and take a victory that puts himback into contention in the World Championship.

However, the Spaniard could yet be stripped of the points he gained as the result of a ploy that infuriated millions of fans.

Ferrari were fined dollars $US100,000 ($112,000) for illegally issuing team orders, breaching a regulation introduced in 2002 to stop race-fixing after another serious offence by the Scuderia.

But the team will also have to face motor racing's highest court, the World Motor Sport Council, probably next month, to discover whether they will be punished further.

Penalties could include forfeiting victory, a points deduction or even a ban.

Being told that he could not win the race was all the more poignant for Massa because this was his first real chance of victory since almost losing his life in an accident a year ago to the day.

...

However, he led from the start at Hockenheim overnight and was on course for victory until Ferrari issued the instruction for Massa to move aside for his team-mate with 20 laps to go to the chequered flag.

Massa was visibly upset as he clambered from his car but refused to be drawn, insisting he had worked for the team.

Niki Lauda, who won two World Championships with Ferrari, was strident in his criticism of the team and directed his anger at Alonso, who refused to acknowledge that he had been handed victory by his team-mate.

"This was the most stupid thing I have ever seen from Ferrari," Lauda said. "Why did they do it? They did not need to do it. I have never heard a driver talk such bull**** in my life."

Eddie Jordan, the former team owner and now a BBC pundit, said: "It was unlawful and it was theft. For me, it is cheating and the two cars should be excluded."

The Times

Source.

[fpv_gtho]

Personally, whilst i feel it was clearly a case of team orders, i think Ferrari shouldve been given a reprimand or something equivalent. Theres been plenty of cases where the message has been the driver behind is faster, but they were left unpunished. Although i dont know how many had the previous leaders engineer come on the radio and apologize. That couldve been the bit that caught Ferrari out here.

[Wouter Melissen]

I don't get why in a sport that is open to two-car teams only, team orders are banned.

[henk4]

so the criticial lines are:
"Alonso is faster than you, understood?" (via the board radio to Massa)

This gave him two options:
To go faster and match the speed of Alonso, (which he was able to do in the first part of the race)
or
To think about the position of his teammate in the championship and hand him five points extra.

He did the latter,

I think that the cryers like Jordan and Lauda should understand that F1 is no longer a sport but a multi million dollar business, aiming at financial rather than traditional sport results.
At least what Ferrari did was far more effective than the charade in Turkey, where the Red Bull drivers greatly compromised the team interests.