Go to Ultimatecarpage.com

Go Back   Ultimatecarpage.com forums > Automotive forums > Car comparison


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-02-2010, 03:27 PM
karabiner98k's Avatar
karabiner98k karabiner98k is offline
Novice
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 57
[Autocar 1969] - Mercedes 300SEL 6.3 (W109)

The fastest sedan of it's time:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 1.jpg (618.1 KB, 23 views)
File Type: jpg 2.jpg (583.7 KB, 16 views)
File Type: jpg 3.jpg (577.2 KB, 32 views)
File Type: jpg 4.jpg (596.8 KB, 20 views)
File Type: jpg 5.jpg (652.2 KB, 17 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-03-2010, 12:56 AM
Fleet 500's Avatar
Fleet 500 Fleet 500 is offline
Fanatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 6,784
San Fernando Valley, Calif.
Fastest in top speed or acceleration?
__________________
Cadillac '69 Fleetwood Brougham, '76 Cadillac Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine, '95 Lincoln Town Car.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-03-2010, 01:16 AM
karabiner98k's Avatar
karabiner98k karabiner98k is offline
Novice
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fleet 500 View Post
Fastest in top speed or acceleration?
I think in both. Several magazines called this car the fastest sedan when tested it back then, including Road & Track.
According to Motor Trend:
"The 6.3-liter Mercedes is the safest, fastest and most comfortable 4-door sedan made today, considering the fantastic speeds you can achieve in full safety and relaxation"

Last edited by karabiner98k; 10-03-2010 at 01:21 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-03-2010, 04:58 AM
Ferrer's Avatar
Ferrer Ferrer is offline
Furniture
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 31,482
Barcelona
Send a message via MSN to Ferrer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fleet 500 View Post
Fastest in top speed or acceleration?
I think we already discussed that at lenght...
__________________
Lack of charisma can be fatal.
Visca Catalunya!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-03-2010, 08:14 AM
henk4's Avatar
henk4 henk4 is offline
Supporting Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 27,216
Rozenburg, Holland
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
I think we already discussed that at lenght...
perhaps we can see some clippings from old US magazines, that humiliate this Benz.....
__________________
"I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting, but it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously." Douglas Adams
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-03-2010, 12:47 PM
Fleet 500's Avatar
Fleet 500 Fleet 500 is offline
Fanatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 6,784
San Fernando Valley, Calif.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
I think we already discussed that at lenght...
We have and I still have my doubts.
(One reason: 1967 Chevrolet Biscayne 427 4-door sedan.)
__________________
Cadillac '69 Fleetwood Brougham, '76 Cadillac Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine, '95 Lincoln Town Car.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-03-2010, 12:56 PM
henk4's Avatar
henk4 henk4 is offline
Supporting Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 27,216
Rozenburg, Holland
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fleet 500 View Post
We have and I still have my doubts.
(One reason: 1967 Chevrolet Biscayne 427 4-door sedan.)
this car must have been overlooked by the Motor Trend people then...
__________________
"I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting, but it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously." Douglas Adams
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-03-2010, 09:28 PM
Fleet 500's Avatar
Fleet 500 Fleet 500 is offline
Fanatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 6,784
San Fernando Valley, Calif.
Quote:
Originally Posted by henk4 View Post
this car must have been overlooked by the Motor Trend people then...
Yes, Motor Trend didn't test one but Hi-Performance Cars did (their Aug., 1967 issue, I believe).
Ran a 13.40 sec 1/4 mile with the optional 4.56:1 gears. Other gears were available, of course... 2.73, 3.07, 3.36, 3.73, 4.11.
__________________
Cadillac '69 Fleetwood Brougham, '76 Cadillac Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine, '95 Lincoln Town Car.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-03-2010, 11:39 PM
henk4's Avatar
henk4 henk4 is offline
Supporting Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 27,216
Rozenburg, Holland
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fleet 500 View Post
Yes, Motor Trend didn't test one but Hi-Performance Cars did (their Aug., 1967 issue, I believe).
Ran a 13.40 sec 1/4 mile with the optional 4.56:1 gears. Other gears were available, of course... 2.73, 3.07, 3.36, 3.73, 4.11.
as you probably will agree with, the 1/4 accelaration time has nothing to do with the fact how fast a car can be in normal traffic, which requires a machine that is able to keep the speed, and to slow down when needed, without cooking the brakes after 10 miles.
But let's not dwell on this, the 6.3 is one hell of a machine, but sometimes I think the later 6.9 model, with its fully Citroen derived suspension is the more comfy and effortless car.
__________________
"I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting, but it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously." Douglas Adams
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-04-2010, 06:45 AM
Commodore GS/E's Avatar
Commodore GS/E Commodore GS/E is offline
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,055
Rudolstadt/ Thuringia
Send a message via Skype™ to Commodore GS/E
Quote:
but sometimes I think the later 6.9 model, with its fully Citroen derived suspension is the more comfy and effortless car.
But like the Citroen's, the Benzes hydropneumatic suspension will burn a hole into your pocket if it breaks. I've talked to many 6.9 owners at several car shows, and they all said that while the mechanic parts aren't problematic in any form, the electronics are a nightmare if you have to fix something.
BTW, do you know if there is any roadgoing version of the 6.8 AMG racing engine?
__________________
FIXIE EVOLVED INTO SMALL MOTORBIKE! Now driving a Simson KR51 <3

Dream ride: red 1971 Opel Commodore GS/E
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-04-2010, 07:19 AM
henk4's Avatar
henk4 henk4 is offline
Supporting Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 27,216
Rozenburg, Holland
Quote:
Originally Posted by Commodore GS/E View Post
But like the Citroen's, the Benzes hydropneumatic suspension will burn a hole into your pocket if it breaks. I've talked to many 6.9 owners at several car shows, and they all said that while the mechanic parts aren't problematic in any form, the electronics are a nightmare if you have to fix something.
BTW, do you know if there is any roadgoing version of the 6.8 AMG racing engine?
my pockets have been hole-free since 1985.....
Electronics at that time were not part of the hydropneumatic suspension anjd are therefore purely German.....and prone to failure.
There is no road going AMG car.
__________________
"I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting, but it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously." Douglas Adams
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-04-2010, 07:07 PM
Fleet 500's Avatar
Fleet 500 Fleet 500 is offline
Fanatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 6,784
San Fernando Valley, Calif.
Quote:
Originally Posted by henk4 View Post
as you probably will agree with, the 1/4 accelaration time has nothing to do with the fact how fast a car can be in normal traffic, which requires a machine that is able to keep the speed, and to slow down when needed, without cooking the brakes after 10 miles.
That may be but I was just correcting the "fastest sedan" claim. The OP was probably not aware of the '67 427 Chevy Biscayne.
__________________
Cadillac '69 Fleetwood Brougham, '76 Cadillac Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine, '95 Lincoln Town Car.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-05-2010, 10:47 AM
Ferrer's Avatar
Ferrer Ferrer is offline
Furniture
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 31,482
Barcelona
Send a message via MSN to Ferrer
What if the fastest claim related to the top speed? Or the time to fill the fuel tank? Or the time to open the four windows at the same time? Or the time to lose all its value?
__________________
Lack of charisma can be fatal.
Visca Catalunya!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-05-2010, 02:08 PM
Commodore GS/E's Avatar
Commodore GS/E Commodore GS/E is offline
Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,055
Rudolstadt/ Thuringia
Send a message via Skype™ to Commodore GS/E
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fleet 500 View Post
Yes, Motor Trend didn't test one but Hi-Performance Cars did (their Aug., 1967 issue, I believe).
Ran a 13.40 sec 1/4 mile with the optional 4.56:1 gears. Other gears were available, of course... 2.73, 3.07, 3.36, 3.73, 4.11.
Wasn't this the Hardtop's time?
__________________
FIXIE EVOLVED INTO SMALL MOTORBIKE! Now driving a Simson KR51 <3

Dream ride: red 1971 Opel Commodore GS/E
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-05-2010, 03:57 PM
Fleet 500's Avatar
Fleet 500 Fleet 500 is offline
Fanatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 6,784
San Fernando Valley, Calif.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Commodore GS/E View Post
Wasn't this the Hardtop's time?
I would have to find the magazine, but I quite sure it was a plain four-door sedan.
The engine (427) was available in that body style.
__________________
Cadillac '69 Fleetwood Brougham, '76 Cadillac Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine, '95 Lincoln Town Car.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Car brochures ginza Books, magazines, brochures and posters 997 06-22-2014 03:29 AM



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:33 PM.

 

1998 - 2014 Ultimatecarpage.com