big engine and nothing else

[Tahoeman]

Originally posted by PimpmobileCaddy
More valves, I guess. More valves allows the engine to drive at higher speeds. VVT also is something OHV's can't pull off.

actually, the engine in the upcomming C6, i supposed to have VVT, and it will be pushrod

[henk4]

Originally posted by Tahoeman
actually, the engine in the upcomming C6, i supposed to have VVT, and it will be pushrod

May I suggest to do what you asked Guyt to do, which is to read this thread, we dealt with this a week ago, it is not productive to repeat the issue.

[PimpmobileCaddy]

All right, gayt_x, I've been reading all your posts and have summarized it up in one, simple word.

Ignorance. Total ****ing ignorance.

First of all, mr. gayt, why the **** do you think a car with a smaller engine should work the same way as a car with a bigger engine? A large displacement pushrod V8 does not need a wimpy turbo or some useless VVT because it already has enough fuel, you ****ing car retard. Only small engines need that stuff because they don't have the displacement to pull that shit off.

Secondly, a car with a large displacement and low HP/l has a much better fuel mileage than a huge Ferrari-like engine with high HP/l and VVT.
Look at the mileage on the 8 liter Dodge Viper SRT-10, 10/20 MPG. Compare that to the Ferrari 575M Maranello, a car that just as fast and has less displacement of shall I say, 5.7 liters, but only pulls off an MPG of 8/12.
If a car with a higher displacement wastes more fuel, which is a statement you always claim is true, then why the **** does the Viper pull off a better gas mileage than the the 575M Maranello? The answer is simple. No high HP/L. HP/L is useless for fuel mileage and is only an indicator of how high the RPM levels of a car is. You don't believe what I'm saying between the 2 cars, then check out these links.

http://fast-autos.net/ferrari/ferrari575m.html
http://fast-autos.net/dodge/dodgevipersrt10.html

Not to mention the Dodge Viper is about 1/4 the price of the Ferrari 575M Maranello. If you don't believe the Viper is not fast enough for the 575M Maranello, look at the stats in the 2 pages. The only thing the 575M Maranello has on the Viper is top speed, nothing more. It also handles much better too.
If you think that was a lucky example, then compare the Corvette Z06 to the BMW M5. The ZO6 has a mileage of 19/28 MPG while the M5 has mileage of 13/21 MPG. Why does the Corvette with higher displacement and much, much better racing performance has a better mileage than the M5? Same answer, asshole. High HP/L is a big waste of fuel. It does nothing for fuel mileage.

Thirdly, you always state American cars can't handle because they have big engines. Compare the Viper and the 575M Maranello again. Engine size does nothing to a car's handling. It's a matter of the car's suspension setting and weight. Nothing more.

Lastly, what the **** is a silly goose? Are you a ****ing 12 year old or something? If you ever ran into me, and called me a silly goose in my face, I will knock the shit out of you senseless before you could say goose!

[Tahoeman]

Originally posted by henk4
May I suggest to do what you asked Guyt to do, which is to read this thread, we dealt with this a week ago, it is not productive to repeat the issue.

i wasnt the one who brought the question up, i just gave him a quick answer
and can you honestly say that gayT_x running around telling us that smaller displacement is better because it gets better gas mileage, when weve spent the entire thread proving him wrong is in anyway similar to someone trying to guess at why ohv's are better??

stop trying to act cool and just shut up

[henk4]

Originally posted by Tahoeman
i wasnt the one who brought the question up, i just gave him a quick answer
and can you honestly say that gayT_x running around telling us that smaller displacement is better because it gets better gas mileage, when weve spent the entire thread proving him wrong is in anyway similar to someone trying to guess at why ohv's are better??

stop trying to act cool and just shut up

Look young man, we were having a rather good discussion on the construction features of modern engines. I asked the question why it is that only in the US of A cars are still being produced with OHV engines. Is it because the US of A is right and the rest of the world is wrong? I just wanted to have that issue clarified. I am absolutely not interested in what GuyT is trying to tell, and even less in the way he does it. But of course there are always Americans that will consider even the slightest hint of criticism as a (terrorist?) attack on their way of life and get provoked into the sort of discussions that we absolutely do not need here. I am getting very much tempted to ask the question why in the world the US of A anyway needs cars that will be able to reach the speed limit in less than 6 seconds. (or even quicker depending on the State you are in, or are you still dreaming of Montana?).

Coming back to your comparison of the Ferrari and the Viper, it may have escaped you that in the current FIA GT championship the Ferrari is"smoking" the Viper. Just wondering why that could be. Could it be that the Ferrari has much more in-built capabilities that do not come out for the production car, because it is geared to comfortable, refined long distance high speed driving, which you occasionally can do in Europe, without breaking the law?

So come back to the thread when you have consrtuctive opinions and ideas formulated in a way that we consider to be decent, and which you might call cool.

[henk4]

just to clarify my previous post, i should also have referred to Pimpmobile's contribution, in particular in the comparison of the Ferrari and the Viper.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Originally posted by henk4


Coming back to your comparison of the Ferrari and the Viper, it may have escaped you that in the current FIA GT championship the Ferrari is"smoking" the Viper. Just wondering why that could be. Could it be that the Ferrari has much more in-built capabilities that do not come out for the production car, because it is geared to comfortable, refined long distance high speed driving, which you occasionally can do in Europe, without breaking the law?

That's a race version... I thought we were talking about cars that we might one day be driving on the street. In which case, although his argument is somewhat discredited by childish profanity, he is correct. Production Viper vs. production Maranello, he is correct, and has a valid point.

And as far as speed limits go, yeah they suck, but radar detectors do wonders. My Escort Passport 8500 was $300 and has paid for itself 2 or 3 times over. I have never been pulled over, let alone given a ticket.

[Tahoeman]

Originally posted by henk4
Look young man, we were having a rather good discussion on the construction features of modern engines. I asked the question why it is that only in the US of A cars are still being produced with OHV engines. Is it because the US of A is right and the rest of the world is wrong? I just wanted to have that issue clarified. I am absolutely not interested in what GuyT is trying to tell, and even less in the way he does it. But of course there are always Americans that will consider even the slightest hint of criticism as a (terrorist?) attack on their way of life and get provoked into the sort of discussions that we absolutely do not need here. I am getting very much tempted to ask the question why in the world the US of A anyway needs cars that will be able to reach the speed limit in less than 6 seconds. (or even quicker depending on the State you are in, or are you still dreaming of Montana?).

Coming back to your comparison of the Ferrari and the Viper, it may have escaped you that in the current FIA GT championship the Ferrari is"smoking" the Viper. Just wondering why that could be. Could it be that the Ferrari has much more in-built capabilities that do not come out for the production car, because it is geared to comfortable, refined long distance high speed driving, which you occasionally can do in Europe, without breaking the law?

So come back to the thread when you have consrtuctive opinions and ideas formulated in a way that we consider to be decent, and which you might call cool.

well let me ask you something then, if OHC's are so much better in every way, how come chevy's LS1/LS6 engines are better engines in every way than the majority of these ohc engines you say are so much better? i give you proof that theres nothing wrong with the ohv design. absolute proof, there is no compromise in the LS1/LS6 performance, it has a great torque curve, puts out a lot of power, and gets damn good gas mileage. its not physicaly very large or heavy either. tell me the disadvantage again? it cant rev as high? it doesnt have VVT? but you forget that those are everyone elses answer to not having displacement. i never compared a ferrari and a viper. i compared a zo6 and a ferrari. and considering the viper is dodges first attempt at a supercar, i would hope that ferrari's decades of making exotic cars would come in handy.

and as for my ideas, im not much for ideas, i usually stick to the facts, and if you go back and read (which you obviously havent seeing as that you are correcting me on things i never even talked about) you would see that i have posted plenty of facts.

why you decided all of the sudden to get up and start calling me "young man" and pretend like you know what you're talking about is beyond me.

oh and just because america chooses to make a car a certain way doesnt make it wrong either does it? there are other factors that you obviously never considered, like that some countries have displacement tax (not that its a valid way to tax vehicle purchases) and we dont here in america. though the american car companies are trying to market to these countries with cars like the SRT-4 and SVT focus. but anyway, thats beside the point, if ohv's are so flawed and old and worthless, then you tell me a design flaw in the LS series engines.

[Nildo]

Henk, knowing the country someone on this page is from does not need to change a persons opinion. I have always preferred japanese built cars in Australia. Why? Because the American based cars we get aren't very good and the Jap cars are more reliable (as a rule, not always the case). I came to this page to learn about multinational motoring, and I realise that not every American, Euro etc. vehicle is available here, meaning there is lots we are not exposed to. We don't get an LS6 engined vehicle here, for example. Knowing where someone is from simply reveals a little about where somebody is coming from, and offers a chance to learn more.

Really, people on this page should not compare fuel economy (or handling) on the various euro barges with american performance cars. The 575 and M5 are both big cars (over 1700 kg) because they are designed to be luxurious first, fast second. Compare those kerb weights with the viper and vette (closer to 1400 kg) and it is obvious that the Euro cars fuel economy and handling will suffer.

A better comparo for these cars would be a TVR, or maybe the BMW CSL M3. Anybody with relevant performance figures for either? I do know the TVR Tuscan S is quicker than the Z06, but not much more than that.

BTW the Gen III LS1 we get here in Australia is not that great (about 314 hp in standard). That is a flawed LS product, although it probably is not used in this form in the US, so it wouldn't matter to you guys.

[ozexige]

Originally posted by PimpmobileCaddy
All right, gayt_x, I've been reading all your posts and have summarized it up in one, simple word.

Ignorance. Total ****ing ignorance.

First of all, mr. gayt, why the f...................

...............asshole. High HP/L is a big waste of fuel. It does nothing for fuel mileage.

................ shit out of you senseless before you could say goose!

Hey Caddy - buddy....
we all know he's a dickhead,
he knows he's a dickhead,
his father knows he's a dickhead,
his mother didn't know until much later when they taught her sign language at one of those Area 55 bunkers where they teach monkeys to run the world after the coalition (USA, ANZAC & Brits) wipe out the dickheads of the world -
only joking there - hehe.
And 'Silly Goose' doesn't mean what you think it does - not that I'm defending the wanker.
It literally means silly goose and could be compared with a poof's
('gay person' - not that I've got anything against gays - hehe... why did I say that?)
way of saying mate (pronounced 'maaaaytah').
So enjoy the site and learn some neat stuff (and teach the dickheads of the world - hehe) - it's a great site.

My hat's off to the guys that run it.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Well if he's using "silly goose" as a cut-down towards Americans, he simply makes himself look like a complete idiot. Since to his target audience - that being Americans - it is at a 1st grade name calling level that sounds more like a book of fairy tails.

[ozexige]

Originally posted by Tahoeman
well let me ask you something then, if OHC's are so much better in every way, how come chevy's LS1/LS6 engines are better engines in every way than the majority of these ohc engines you say are so much better? ............

........... if ohv's are so flawed and old and worthless, then you tell me a design flaw in the LS series engines.

Couldn't agree more 'Tahoe'
(great place by the way) LS engines are without peer. (and we can't get them - bugger!)
OHC's scare the shit out of me.....
My first rebuild of an engine was a '81 308 GTSi - almost killed me and my father - literally.

F...king broken belt.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Originally posted by ozexige
Couldn't agree more 'Tahoe'
(great place by the way) LS engines are without peer. (and we can't get them - bugger!)
OHC's scare the shit out of me.....
My first rebuild of an engine was a '81 308 GTSi - almost killed me and my father - literally.

F...king broken belt.

Isn't Holden an Australian car maker? I do believe you can get an LS1 engine in a few Holdens... the Monaro, the GTO, and GTS

[Guibo]

Originally posted by henk4

Coming back to your comparison of the Ferrari and the Viper, it may have escaped you that in the current FIA GT championship the Ferrari is"smoking" the Viper.

That's actually ProDrive that deserve the pat on the back, not Ferrari. Great results from such a small company.

In any event, the Vipers have been racing since what, '96-'97? Numerous Le Mans and Daytona and Sebring and FIA GT class wins, with outright wins at 24 Hours of Spa and Nurburgring. But it's pretty much at the end of its lifecycle as a competitive race car, and has been so for a couple of years now. The SRT-10 based Competition Coupe may herald the return for Dodge/Chrysler, but we'll see. They're more intent on taking the Winston stock car championship at the moment, have little money for any other racing.

[guyt_x]

when last did america win a world motor sport title... hmmm

if you gonna race against yourselves you always going to win.

swearing is too easy(well for red necks with mullets named billy-bob I supose its the only weapon in there attack, but I supose havign a president that is the laughing stock of the world and living in constant fear of the next attack on american soil cos they stole oil must be hard so I guess swearing is fine for a people who love V8's but make car movies about rice burners
eg 'fast and the furious')