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Old 04-25-2012, 04:22 PM
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Vehicle ID Please.

In an aviation group there is a current vehicle ID debate, and no solution.

The vehicle in question is towing a Wright Flyer, at the Bournemouth, Aviation Week in July 1910. This is the event where Charles Rolls was killed after crashing his Wright Flyer, becoming the second person to be killed in a UK aviation accident, and the first to be killed in a powered aviation accident in the UK. There is no evidence that this was the Wright Flyer flown by Rolls.

I am including the original image and a crop showing a bit more of the radiator.
If anybody here is able to ID this ghost from the past, it would be appreciated.
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Old 04-25-2012, 05:51 PM
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The FLIGHT magazine the picture was published in clearly identied it as Ogilvies Wright.
The same car is also idntified in other FLIGHT mags of the day at Wolverhampton.
So I'd hoped that it would be seen elsewhere towing the plane between events.
BUT no luck.
The badge on the front is bugging me
Sorry cant help on it ..... yet
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My guess based on the radiator shape and badge is Delahaye, but what model? Here's a 1910, your photo car may be earlier.
EDIT: Note the front fenders and front suspension details, particularly the drilled crossmember.
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The FLIGHT magazine the picture was published in clearly identied it as Ogilvies Wright.
The same car is also idntified in other FLIGHT mags of the day at Wolverhampton.
So I'd hoped that it would be seen elsewhere towing the plane between events.
BUT no luck.
The badge on the front is bugging me
Sorry cant help on it ..... yet
Thanks for the prompt response and research effort.

I have been trying to pin the ID down by searching through various 1905-1910 UK & European vehicle images. The forward cab is quite distinctive with its high "waist line".
It seems to have some sort of utility type rear bodywork, and I suspect there will be a fair amount of brass in that vehicle once the ID is confirmed. It is probably going to turn out to be the product of some obscure (now) coach works.

Sadly my search and head scratching has yet to bear fruit.

I am also bugged by the badge, and it is difficult to determine if it is a "B" or an "8" or some sort of stylized hybrid letter/number.
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My guess based on the radiator shape and badge is Delahaye, but what model? Here's a 1910, your photo car may be earlier.
EDIT: Note the front fenders and front suspension details, particularly the drilled crossmember.
I believe you have made a good ID. The coachwork is obviously custom. The streamlined bodywork from the engine compartment to the windshield line seems diagnostic.

The badge makes sense now, and works as the stylized Delahaye badge of that era.

I checked with another search and it seems the 1910 Delahaye Type 32 Roadsters all had some eccentric quirks.

Now let's see if we get some confirmation, or if we are shot down in flames.

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Happy to help, SD. The badge and front details are pretty certain ID clues... what gives the optical illusion of a "B" is the logo itself and three mounting points for the badge. Open the photos side by side, note how "Delahaye" is identical in shape. It's probably a Type 32. The coachwork as you note was specific to the task, but from the cowl forward it's the same as the photo above and below.
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The badge and front details are pretty certain ID clues... what gives the optical illusion of a "B" is the logo itself and three mounting points
for the badge. Open the photos side by side, note how "Delahaye" is identical in shape. It's probably a Type 32. The coachwork as you note
was specific to the task, but from the cowl forward it's the same as the photo above and below.
I agree with your analysis. Delahaye, it must be.

As usual there is always an answer to be found in these forums.
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