Top 10 Engines

[MrKipling]

I got one word for you Diesel weirdos () DEPRECIATION. 2nd hand values for diesels are nothing short of crippling.

My Top Some Engines - I don't know all the designations because I'm not that sad of a c*nt

Carrera GT V10
Scaglietti 612 V12
S2000 (2L V-Tec)
Merc V12 Biturbo
Lotus/Toyota Exige engine
Audi 1.8T

These are my faves of the cars I have driven in anger - aside from the GT, haven't driven that yet but any motor that sounds that much like an F1 car gets my vote!.

[culver]

Originally Posted by henk4

Mercedes is selling its 320CDI in the USA (but not in California or New York), so either it can run on US produced (standard) diesel or they will not live long....

True. However, its only sold in states that have not adopted CARB emissions standards. I don't recall all the details (not much interest in diesel here) about that motor. My understanding is some of the emissions systems on the cleanest European diesels can not handle the sulfur content of US diesel. Those that can can't meet 50 state emissions. Additionally, I believe none of them can meet upcoming standards. I think it was 2007 standards that were supposed to really hurt US diesel car sales. Many companies would like to bring their nicer diesels to the US but can not unless the sulfur content of US fuels is reduced.

As for the cost, as at least one person has said, diesel is less expensive in their country. As France and Germany seem to be the centers of European diesel work we should at least consider their prices. UK fuel prices would only be one consideration.

[henk4]

German diesel prices are on par with petrol, in France they are about 25% lower than gasoline. Dutch prices are considerably lower (30%), but road tax and purchase tax on diesel cars is higher.

Who controls the fact that there IS no low sulphur fuel available? Is that lack of consumer demand so refineries don't want to invest in desulpherisation units? What about a federal requirement that heavy duty trucks should run on low-sulphur fuel only?

[MrKipling]

Nah, It'll be some corporation that has given Bush a few quid crying in his ear. But let's not get into a debate about the fundamental flaws of the American political system.

Did you know an Aston Vanquish S complies with SoCal Low Emmisions Vehicle regulations until 2007? Clever buggers.

[PerfAdv]

The diesel taunts from Europe are getting really old... Low sulfur diesel was promised for 2006 here in California. Hopefully, we'll be getting the latest diesel powered cars soon. The current smog creating diesel will be replaced with the new clean diesel, alleviating the smog from trucks that are using it now.

The Ward's list is a little too fair-handed to some when it picked its 10 best.
How is the Ford 4.6l better than the Toyota/Lexus V8, or even the Infiniti V8?

Why aren't there any Honda engines on the list? The Honda I4 has been much acclaimed until this list. Also the new Honda V6 w/ cylinder deactivation.

GM's Ecotec supercharged four? I've read that its rough and inefficient compared to the competition.

[Matra et Alpine]

Originally Posted by MrKipling

I got one word for you Diesel weirdos () DEPRECIATION. 2nd hand values for diesels are nothing short of crippling.

What ?
erm, not the experience round about here !!!
Do you mean OLD diesel technology engines in cars don't sell well ? Or are you really seeing modern diesels not holding up value ?
Skoda diesels hold price EXTREMELY well.
The other way you may see "worse" depreciation is that diesles tend to be bought by peopel who rack up LTOS more than average miles and so you need to compare values with an equally high-nileage petrol variant. Lots of other things wear out on high-mileage cars, not just the engine

i'd like to see what you were comparing....

[MrKipling]

Hmm, that's true - I guess the problem will be the way Billy percieves second hand diesel cars. I think they are worse towards the end of their life too eg, a petrol and a Diesel both with 23,000 on the clock would fetch similar money but offer the same two cars with 73,000 and I reckon Joe Public would take the petrol. Despite the fact diesels last longer!

Having said that, by that time they have shedded their 'slightly dirty' image.

Also, a mechanic chap I know was telling me mileage on modern cas doesn't make a blind bit of difference, it's age and how it has been taken care of that are crucial.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by MrKipling

Hmm, that's true - I guess the problem will be the way Billy percieves second hand diesel cars. I think they are worse towards the end of their life too eg, a petrol and a Diesel both with 23,000 on the clock would fetch similar money but offer the same two cars with 73,000 and I reckon Joe Public would take the petrol. Despite the fact diesels last longer!

Having said that, by that time they have shedded their 'slightly dirty' image.

Also, a mechanic chap I know was telling me mileage on modern cas doesn't make a blind bit of difference, it's age and how it has been taken care of that are crucial.

yep, my 5.5 year old diesel has covered already 250000 kms and the car is still in good shape

[h00t_h00t]

Originally Posted by MrKipling

Hmm, that's true - I guess the problem will be the way Billy percieves second hand diesel cars. I think they are worse towards the end of their life too eg, a petrol and a Diesel both with 23,000 on the clock would fetch similar money but offer the same two cars with 73,000 and I reckon Joe Public would take the petrol. Despite the fact diesels last longer!

at 23,000 miles the diesel car would cost well over £1000 more than the petrol, low mileage second-hand diesels are rare. At 73,000 miles the diesel would still be a thousand or so more, depending on the car.

(These prices are based on cars people actually buy, not silly cars like SUVs and large Mercs/BMWs where diesel engines barely depritiate and petrol engines plumet)

[taz_rocks_miami]

Ok, lets expand the list a bit. What are your nominations for?

Top 10 diesel engines
and
Top 10 (combined, diesel and gas) engines.

[henk4]

BMW 535D (3 litre)
PSA/Ford 2.7 V6
Mercedes 320 CDi
Audi V8 (pumpjet)
Fiat/Alfa 2.4 Multijet
Toyota/Lexus D4DCat 2.2
Renault 2.2Dci
Fiat 1.3 Multijet
BMW V8
Mercedes 400 CDi

Upcoming is the 2.2 litre PSA 4 pot.

Edit: the Audi V8 is actually a common rail version. I was under the impresson that all VAG diesel are pump/nozzle version, but I was told that the Audi V8 has already had CR since its introduction 5 yesrs ago.

[quattro_20v]

To avoid any confusion

Diesels depriciation is less, they get more mpg or km/l, they last longer and have more torque in general.

I still dont like them tho, the sound is just too shit and they wont rev very high. It just takes away too much driving experience for me.
And new they cost more then petrol cars in general.

[h00t_h00t]

Why are revs important, if a petrol got all of its power at 2000rpm nobody would complain.

[quattro_20v]

It's just more fun. for the sound it's also great There is a difference in sound when u go to 2000 or 7000 rpm. Less great on the economical side tho.

[nota]

Why are revs important, if a petrol got all of its power at 2000rpm nobody would complain

IIRC, the 1st-gen Falcon XR6 Turbo engines produced over 450 Nm (90% of their torque rating) @ only 1500rpm, 98% by 1750rpm. The latest model has more

Forget the exotica for a minute because XR6-Ts are relatively affordable vehicle and likewise the 4 litre I-6 is cheap as chips to hot up. A heavy car but would you believe 10.98 @ 124mph with NO internal mods, on street tyres? Or capable of 572rwhp? Definately one of the 10 best engines in our market

(maybe a repost?)
http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/falcon/xr6turbo.htm