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| Berrrrlina |
| QUIET MAN 25-12-2003 |
Having spent the past 6 years as a panelbeater, working on both Holdens and Fords on a daily basis as well as driving them - I feel that both manufacturers have made major improvements in the past few years. As we know neither company is wholly Australian-owned, if at all. This also extends to their materials, engines etc. But we do know that the majority of the R&D is local. We've made a name for ourselves here and overseas and in some cases (Holden) our product has been good enough to be badged as the revered Pontiac GTO. So here we have Australian ingenuity building a car for America, one of the hardest markets to enter. As earlier stated, being a panelbeater as most people would realise, we get to know cars inside out literally. Based on acquired knowledge I recently purchased a Chev-powered VY Berlina with few extras it looks terrific in and out. I never thought a Berlina would be a head-turner and such a pleasure to drive. The experience is marred only by my dealer. Even though they don't deserve it, I will spare mentioning their name. I would never consider purchasing a Ford regardless of all the current hype. If I had to buy a car other than Holden I'd rather just go Jap. |
| oil |
| crisis 14-10-2003 |
most interesting comments about BMW oil consumption. It doesnt vindicate the Gen IIIs usage although my VY hasnt used any and Im on 17000k now. Apparently the VYs dont have this problem according to a mate who works in the service dept of a dealership. I checked out the comments about the BMW oil usage. between 1lt per 1000k and 1lt per 5000k. This from the godlike M5 not to mention the very reverand BMW. And BMW say firstly there is no problem and then that it is normal usage up to around 12000k. Is this what can be expected from hi performance alloy V8s? |
| correction |
| mustangcobraR 30-9-2003 |
Umm evillss, the reason why the ss can do a quarter mile run faster than a GT is because of its extra weight, its got nothing to do with fords technology/power, they arent the reason why the GT isn't as fast. Oh, and one thing about Fords technology, it actually makes the GT handle better than the SS (ie, Fords IRS). |
| How very sad. |
| extreem8 24-9-2003 |
"I bet most of you don't even have cars. What has come to my mind is that most of you have over inflated ego's that start the my dick is bigger than yours. Firstly pushrods is as old as OHC designs DOHC goes back into 1912's. Secondly the Gen 3 can and will produce over 300 kw at the flywheel without much mods needed. The Gen 3 does not really need DOHC because of its oversquear design. The Ford V8 needs to be able to rev more to push more power out. But the Ford V8 has an undersqaure design so it does not have the ability to rev as freely or as safely as the Gen 3. Before you go on about the Gen 3 oil issues then you are going in for a rude shock. The BMW M5 V8 is an oil guzzler (do a google search if u don't believe me) It can use up to 1L/1000 k's more if you drive it hard. The FPV engines has had problems with oil consumpsion as well with a bad batch of faulty rings. Calling the Gen 3 a dinosour of an engine is really showing your ignorance. I have seen modified Gen 3's pump out well over 300 kw at the fly and rev up to 7000 rpm without problems. So why not put your ego's and pride to sleep and accept this ""Give credit where its due"". And come on most of you are arguing over ""Factory"" Rated power and torque. Most of you get some brains and stop coming up with crap and enjoy." |
| you idiots |
| evilss 9-8-2003 |
hey u disbelievers i own a vy ss and on thur i recorded a 13.99 1/4 in townsville, its funny how the BA gt can only manage a 13.98 with kw extra imagine what time i could get with an extra 55kw?.Its seems like fords extra powre and technology is doin shit all!! |
| the winner is? |
| crisis 23-6-2003 |
Just go's to show how subjective these tests are. Each test Ive read has a slightly different conclusion. Maybe it depends on what is the question. The power figures were interesting with the Monaro and SV8 giving different dyno readings with the same motor etc. Good and bad examples of the same thing or clapped out demonstrators? Ford have certainly got a gem with the XR6 Turbo though. Still rather a V8 but thats just me. |
| aussie muscle |
| mustangcobraR 13-6-2003 |
yo crisis read the latest motor mag? they were searching for the best aussie muscle car and the GT finished ahead of the clubby at second, and first was the xr6t. They also managed a 13.98 to 400m compared to the clubbies 14.06. note: the GT had the most power at the rear wheels then the whole bunch which included the xr6t, xr8, ss, xv8, clubby, caprice ,and even the GTS coupe by 3 kw, though the GTS coupe had more torque. |
| clubvsGT |
| crisis 25-5-2003 |
"Motor magazine thought that the GT was more refined and better for day to day use. They gave the performance points to the Clubsport. Despite being down on kw , ""old fashioned"" pushrods and having less dollars and effort spent on upgrading for the new model. In the end if you buy a HSV/FPV type of car they thought that you would be looking more for outright performance that a compromise of performance and comfort. Maybe Ford need more models, after all for a luxury type performance vehicle you can go for a Senator or Grange. You cant say that HSV got it wrong really considering their sales and popularity up until now." |
| hmm |
| mustangcobraR 22-5-2003 |
Umm actually holdenhero, the gt is faster than a clubby from wheels mag. so it depends on what mag u read. and i think it was from street machine where they managed a 14 second flat the 400m for the GT. And what do u mean by try again ford? a car is not successful on how fast it is. But the overall package, though commodore sales are slightly ahead of the new falcon, as many motor mags have said the falcon is the better car. And many rev heads buy a car with power and torque not always by acceleration. Why do you think people buy the F-series or dodge rams for example DUH!. And dont worry, supposedly the new falcon should shed weight, i hope they do anyway for their own sake! |
| to bazza |
| FPV_GTHO 18-5-2003 |
the gt's only against the wall in terms of efficiency, and it can still be stretched to 310kw before they have to either rev it harder, increase capacity or force feed it. or fpv could just work on the ecu and perfect the timing etc of the engine, but that can be done aftermarket for about a grand |
| Holden v the Enemy (Ford) |
| HoldenHero 12-5-2003 |
"Right. Point 1) HSV DOES do a 500hp GTS. It's a special feature fitted to UK Bound GTS's. Quite simple really, Slap a Supercharger onto the the ""Base"" HSV 300kw (410Hp) GTS, and instant extra 100 horse. Point 2) The thing only ways 1799Kg!...not the 1590 claimed here on the 2500kg(??). Evo Magazine will verify these figures. And too all you Ford fans out there, go back and try again huh. Your new ""muscle"" car, The FPV GT is slower than a bottom-of-the-HSV range Clubsport with less power! How? The GT needs to book itself into a weight loss centre somewhere and lose some of the Kg's it carrying. And just to rub more salt into the wound the SS with less power is quicker down the chute than the XR8. But anyone in the Australia/NZ reigon can find this out from Motor Magazine. Try again Ford, nice try, but not good enough." |
| The XR8 is the better car, its just not the fastest |
| bazza 10-5-2003 |
hey FPV_GTHO, i know for a fact the ford is planning a very potent V8 for the new FPV GTHO super sedan. Sources say about 620 nms. But heres the catch, the GT's engine is basically against the wall in power. Awkwardly long stroke is the problem, so the engine wont rev safely above 6000 rpms. Supercharging is the only option.So pitch it at em, ford!! Also, the XR8 is cheaper than the SS by about AU$500 dollars, it has more power from a smaller engine, so i wonder what is the better buy? |
| to kick_holden |
| mustangcobraR 9-5-2003 |
hey kick_holden, you remember your entry about the ss commo doing a shade under 7 seconds? well funnily in drive section of the sydney morning herald newspaper today (may 9), they managed only a 6.8 second time to 100kph. Nah but i reckon its still got somethin to do with the condition or temperature and shit, who knows. |
| Holden_man |
| Hunter 6-5-2003 |
Holden_man, your facts about the Holden Turbo 6 being produced are correct, but you must remember that the new factory at Fishermens Bend will be making these engines for Saab in Europe, not for our market! About the power figures, you may be right, but I highly doubt it as at this stage no tests have been done to prove these figures. As for the 1/2 million dollars that Ford spent for designs on the BA, this was used to build an ENTIRE new car, whereas holden simply gave a facelift to the VX, which the VX was a facelift of the VT, mechanics have still not changed!!! Who spent there money wisely? All in all though, both cars are great and do the Australian market very proud as well as make other countires very envious, good job Holden and Ford!!! |
| OMFG! Get ya facts straight, Holden Boys! |
| 302 ZG Fairlane 5-5-2003 |
HSV GTS. It has 502hp so what the hell do you mean holdens have so little hp. Acceleration is 4.6sec and the car weighs about 2200-2500kg!!!!!!Err. WTF? I love Ford and still know more about Holden that you do. Besides you could be talking about a VTII, VX, or current VY GTS. They do NOT weigh 2500kg, in fact very few utes weight that much - they are closer to 1650-1750kg. Also the power output you noted is way to high! The LS1 brought over from the states is rated at 300Kw, which equates to around 403hp. I love Ford and plan to get an XE Fairmont and trick it up, or a ZG Fairlane - fricken beautiful, mate! Hmm...better say something about the Bommodore SS, ugh it's ugly, cheaply made, fast, but god! I wouldn't want to go that fast in a coke can like that! FORD RULES! Always has, always will!.. |
| the smart money's |
| FPV_GTHO 5-5-2003 |
on twin turbo when u want high pressure. if ford wanted anything more than what they have in the xr6t, they'd probably keep the current turbo spooling at 6psi and add on another one to cut in at about 3000rpm with about 12ps1 etc to get over lag. the current engine with about 9psi would probably start experiencing lag and affect the performance times. for the ba2 upgrade, i doubt the xr6t's power will climb, just think back a year and the first estimates for its power were only 210kw. if ford think they can seel a turbo 6 with more power than what the xr6t has, geoff polites will be having a talk with david flint about an fpv version of the car. u never know, in 2004, fpv could have alongside its current 3 car lineup, another 3 car lineup of turbo/supercharged cars with a turbo focus, higher pressure t6 and gtho |
| holden vs ford |
| mustangcobraR 4-5-2003 |
Hey holden_man, i hope your right about the turbo 6 and GEN IV, for holdens sake. And of course the battle aint over yet, the battle is never over until one company dies. And for holden fans, dont get over excited about what holden_man said about the 285kw turbo 6. Yes it might be true, and clearly is bigger than fords current 240kw turbo, but you guys gotta remember that ford only used a small amount of psi boost on their 6 cylinder so that the gear box could handle the torque, and if the rumours are true about ford going to bring in a new gear box for the upgrade version of the BA falcon, then that will mean ford might use high-pressure boost in the next xr6t. Who knows, theres gonna be a nice battle happenin in the next few years peeps. |
| Holden vs. Ford |
| holden_man 27-4-2003 |
now look im a holden man but i must admit ford has a good car out now (BA FALCON)but woodnt u if u had spent $500 million on designing it considering holden only spent $250 million on the VY commodore. Also from the reports i herd the VZ commodore due to be released in 2004 has a HPV6 turbo 6 wif 285kw of powere and a Gen VI V8 so i say the battle aint over yet!! |
| Slippery but neat !! |
| Snakeeyes 27-4-2003 |
I own this car and I am currently in the middleEast. Here this car is like as common as a camry. It has the name Chevorlet Lumina SS. Car is a V8, driving is great, picks speed courageously, but pretty slippery at sharp turns! |
| actually |
| mustangcobraR 25-4-2003 |
umm crisis, ford didnt cheat with the power figures. They 'supposedly' use a more generous form of measurement, big whoop, and extra 10 kilowatts, pretty hopeless, when all u need is torque |
| inexcusable |
| crisis 24-4-2003 |
"If you think, kickholdens, that it is ""inexcusable"" for the NZ mag to be out by a second, doesnt that make it doubley inexcusable that two mags, Wheels and Motor got it wrong. Are they all wrong? Testing conditions have more to do with it than you think. In WW2 Rolls Royce techs working on the Merlin V12 that powered the Spitfire amongst others, found that they recorded higher power figures on the morning runs than in the afternoon. They found that moisture in the form of condensation in the fuel system briefly gave higher output. How do we get moisture in the fuel system constantly? Walla! water injection. My point is we have no idea of the different conditions and to an extent you have a point that the cars may have been good and bad examples. But drop the evil empire paranioa. Holden doesnt have to cheat power figures to sell their cars. You may not want one but plenty of people do." |
| may i ask? |
| mustangcobraR 23-4-2003 |
Umm, where did u hear that Ford used a different standard to measure the output of the BA? Was it on the wheels magazine where they tested the XR8, SS and Clubsport? cus if it was, they didnt actually prove that, HSV wouldnt know what form of measurement Ford uses unless they actually tested a Ford, and i doubt HSV would test a ford mate. Plus, this was from HSV's mouth, Ford hasnt said nothin about it yet. So actually u cant say its a fact, though u might not have said it, but u sound like it. But as everyone here should know, i dont care about power, i think torque is more like it. Also to the entry b4 u crisis, i do think the mag got it wrong, a sub-7 to 100kmph? thats a bit slow for an SS dont u think? |
| could be... |
| Kick Holdens 23-4-2003 |
New Zealand could be out, but by a full second??? That's quite inexcusable if you ask me. With Ford's power ratings, I would be more concerned with torque than power. Power is of far less importance. |
| evil empire |
| crisis 22-4-2003 |
Re acceleration times. Did it occur to you Kickholdens, that the NZ magazine may have got it wrong? Of course not, Its much more logical that Holdens lied. Were the tests done in equal air temperatures at equal altitudes? Who Knows. Does NZ use the same octane fuel as us? Wheels and Motor got the same reading ( although they have had differing readings themselves ) so maybe majority rules. Believe what you want. It may also interest you that Ford has used a different standard to measure the output of the BA which gives a higher power reading than that standard Holden uses. |
| acceleration times |
| Kick Holdens 17-4-2003 |
"I find it interesting how Wheels and Motor magazines get this thing going to 100km/h in sub-sixes and doing the quarter in sub-14's, whereas Autopoint New Zealand recorded a standing start to reaching 100km/h in ""a shade under 7 seconds"". Wouldn't surprise me if Holden have cheated by supplying a modified version of the SS as a test car. They've done it before, at the launch of the VU ute, where ballast was used to give the impression of good handling. I wouldn't support a dishonest company like that! The Falcon ute still handled better though, so that didn't matter too much." |
| speed |
| crisis 18-3-2003 |
Tim, there are a set of laws in Australia that govern things like tyres, brakes not to mention all aspects of car design called ADR. Tyres have a speed rating. If the tyres fitted to the SS are inadequate for that speed then it is the fault of the tyre manufacturer. I would not be comfortable with Micheal Schumacher driving around our suburbs at those speeds. I fear P platers or anyone driving around in over powered cars if they do not have the brain cells to drive at safe speeds. I would feel marginally safer for someone in a modern car that meets the safety requirements such as the VY SS pushing the envelope than for someone in a grey import turbo that has had $20000 spent on the turbo, intercooler, computer chip etc with the largest cheap tyres and standard ( sub standard ) brakes. If you think Holden are irresponsible what top speed limit would you think is safe enough for all situations to be deemed as responsible? |
| 267km/h is not safe |
| Tim 17-3-2003 |
A recent test by Wheels clocked a sv8 at top speed 267km/h. It was ahead of many cars not because they were slower or lacked grunt but had their top speeds limited. It is irresponsible of holden to let a cheap family car reach that sort of speed. The tyres can not handle it for very long and imagine the huge stopping distance for a car that weighs around 1.7tonne. In 10 years (3 or 4 engines later) this car will be cheap enough for most hero P-Platers who think they can drive better than Schumacher to afford. Will you feel safe. |
| Good News |
| Peter 2-3-2003 |
To everyone out there in V8 Supercar heaven it just got better. Just recently TWR went into receivership. For those that dont know they own about 4 holden based teams including holden fans beloved Skaife's team HRT. However fear not Holden wouldnt let their number 1 driver be left out of this season so they came to the rescue and bought out HRT. However the rules of V8 Supercars states that a manufacturer can't enter a team so that means skaifey probably won't compete in the upcoming event at Melbourne F1 and unfortunately he might not be able to comepte at all this year unless they sort something out. Well I for one as a Ford Fan am a bit disapointed but then delighted that he will not fight for the championship this year. |
| keep laughing |
| crisis 26-2-2003 |
If you drive a mitsubishi colt, kickholdens you would find the fuel consumption of a GenIII horrendous. Youd find the power pretty scary too. I get around 16 to 17 lp100k around town. About as bad as the BA 6cyl. The glazed bore problem has been around since they first brought them out in the VT but only occurs when you use light or synthetic oils. Heavier oil means less economy but I can live with it. Keep laughing, I am. |
| Gen 3 crap |
| Kick Holdens 15-2-2003 |
This SS is actually quite amazing. Why? Because it only has 235kW and out-accelarates most of the higher-up HSV's. Fuel economy though, I've heard, can be quite horrendous. I've heard recently about many user complaints about the gen3 V8. Holden is rebuilding the gen3's of those who have complaints, but at the same time say that there's nothing wrong with it. Looks to me as though they've admitted there's something wrong by rebuilding them. Once rebuilt with tighter fitting pistons and rings, there'll probably be a decrease in power too, so maybe Holden was cheating n order to get a few extra kW's. Hey crisis, maybe the cast-iron block is quite old, but I've said about a hundred times that they use it because of its rigidity. Cast-iron is R-I-G-I-D, unlike most alloys. The GTS is indeed quite powerful, but it's also an oil-guzzler, not good for a new engine. A worst case with a gen3 was 4 litres of oil consumed in 5000km's. That's worse than my Mitsubishi Colt! And I thought that was bad. The gen3 only holds 5 litres too. Looks like it isn't as good as what most people first thought, or still think for that matter. More potential in the gen3 you reckon? Maybe if you install an oil tank alongside the engine, or make the sump's capacity 15 litres. |
| high tech |
| crisis 3-2-2003 |
"Cars from the 70s like Datsun 1600 had overhead cams Kickholdens. Theres nothing new there. The new Chev GenIV has double pushrod cams with VVT. This enables them to collapse the lifters on 4 of the cylinders and close them off so that the engine cruises on four and uses all eight under power. Near 4cylinder economy in a 6LT V8 producing around 280kw stock. You may not be aware that the ""new"" ""Aussie"" Ford V8 has a cast iron block. Surely one of the few new motors anywhere that doesnt have an alloy block. Old technology? Maybe but it works. Thats the point. Besides OHC has not put the new Ford V8 out of reach. The old fashioned Gen III produces 300kw in the GTS against the Fords 290kw. And there is room to move with both. You also need to get over the Aussie vs US crap. Holdens have run 350's & 307's Chev motors ages ago. Look at the whole package." |
| Performance figures |
| Balance 3-2-2003 |
In response to s_htat, 0-100km/h times obtained by the car mags are in the 5.8 to 6 even region, whilst standing quarter times are in the 13.8 - 14.0 region. The top speed, for all its real-world relevance, is 264km/h (manual). In my opinion, with performance figures like these, it's getting harder to justify spending the extra money on an HSV. |
| Apples to Oranges |
| ssilvik 2-2-2003 |
"God, you people drive me NUTS! You are all over the place... Look, I could compare a bone stock 2002 Camaro z28 with the same LS1 V8 as the Holden's to a 2002 Subaru WRX and it'd be somewhat of a fair comparison... both USA spec. cars, and simmilar pricing... but you guys just blurt out two random cars. I could say ""well geez, the Nissan 350z costs $37,000 US and only has 285 hp while my 1968 Camaro that I bought for $5000 US with 370hp could blow it out of the water, but that would be a pretty dumb comparison... Well, I guess atleast both cars would be RWD. If you're going to compare two cars pick two with simmilar pricing or at least within the same category. You goofs are comparing a $300,000 race car that you can't even register or drive on the street to an American or Australian v8 100% legal street legal vehicle. Are you THAT desperate to convince yourselves that Jap cars are fast. Listen buddy, bolt on a 27"" tall wing to your Civic HX with the siR stickers and pretend your car can keep up with the next guys' V6 Grand Am ram air with 185 horsepower and 205 lbs./trq STOCK!" |
| "Gen3 """"""Holden???"""""" V8???" |
| Kick Holdens 2-2-2003 |
Gen 111 power mustn't have any idea. You called it a gen3 Holden V8. Surely you of all people would know it's actually Chev. By the way, the 300kW version is pretty close to the most they get out of a gen3. Ford's new V8 is far more technologically advanced than the gen3 too (pushrods? hehehehehehehehehe!). GT produces 520Nm torque out of a smaller capacity engine than the gen3, the 300 kW version producing only 510Nm. GTHO lets go! |
| How fast is the Commodore VY SS V8? |
| s_htat 2-2-2003 |
How long does it take for the Commodore VY SS V8 5.7 to do 0-100km? Subaru WRX does 5.7 secs Nissen Skyline does 4.9 secs. I still think if you after speed u shouldn't consider buying a Commodore SS. What do u think? |
| yeah right |
| FPV_GTHO 2-2-2003 |
"who does ""gen 111 power"" think he is suggesting the base power output of the gen 3 in america is 300kw? that is the maximum offered anywhere in the world for the gen3 without any increases in the capacity. the standard corvette and the 2004 pontiac gto each have a 345hp gen 3, not a 400hp engine. and about the 400kw gen 3? mabe in the gen4, which might be cause it could be 6.0L and twin cam pushrod(one cam for exhaust valves, the other for the intake valves) have a look at the february wheels magazine to check out the twin cam idea" |
| Holdens Gen 111 @ 300Kw- is just the start |
| Gen 111 Power 25-1-2003 |
I'm sure all Holden Gen 111 V8 owners would delight, and new Ford BA V8 owners curse, the fact that the standard power delivery in the US of the Gen111 Holden powerplant is 300 Kw. Ford you have no hope of combatting Holdens dominance of V8 Aussie Muscle Cars. Gen 111 - 400Kw here we come !!!. |
| Hmmm...... |
| dm2hot4u 21-1-2003 |
Let me see....Ford vs Holden, XR8 vs SS, 260kw vs 235kw, 500Nm vs 475Nm....who wins???? |
| s_hatt |
| XR6TK1W1 21-1-2003 |
Like Daddy says, depends on weight. And like i said earlier on Torque. KW's aint every thing. Start talking Nm and thats where your power is. Also if it has traction control, type of tyres blaa blaa blaa. But for ease of calculation, KW/Nm divided buy weight should tell you the outcome. More KW per kg's means more speed. Plus there is also the loose nut behind the wheel to consider to. If you can't drive well then mostlikely it don't matter what ya drive you will loose. And to end it, if you have a Commodore and drag it you will most likey loose anyway. |
| techno crap |
| crisis 20-1-2003 |
"I think its a big ask to expect a small manufacturer like Holdens in little old Oz to invest the money a global like BMW does in producing its own specialised motor. In one way you're right Daddy$, it is impressive that BMW can squeeze so much from a six, but it is also impressive what GM does with an pushrod ""dinosaur"". If the output from the LS1 dissapoints you you must be really amazed at how little better Fords overhead cam V8 performs with all of that wonderful, if not quite as new as you believe it is, tecchnology." |
| drag races |
| Daddy$ 20-1-2003 |
drags come down to who can hold traction and power to weight ratios (take power divide by weight) a lighter car with more power will accelerate faster than a heavy car with less power. holdens, generally are heavy cars and aren't easy to launch quickly without breaking traction. without knowing what the other cars are you are talking about i couldnt say for sure which is faster, even so its only theory. if u have access to a drag meet take the cars and find out, dont do it on the street you'll get busted or kill urself or someone else |
| wake up! |
| Daddy$ 20-1-2003 |
does the word dinosaur mean anything to anyone? because commodore is a good synonym. 2 valves per cylinder? no overhead cam? Holden can only manage to squeeze 300kW out of the gen 3 V8 and its a massive 5.7 litres!!! BMW have the same power from the 4.9 litre M5. If a commodore is driven hard a tank of fuel will last all of um... 100 metres. holden needs to move ahead with the times to even come up to par with where the europeans were 10 years ago and build an engine itself that is power and fuel efficient, instead of importing sh!tter chevy motors from the US. |
| XR6TK1W1 |
| s_htat 20-1-2003 |
if i have a commodore ss V8 5.7 and my friend has a V6 2.2 but it has turbo who will win a 200 metre sprint from a stand still? second if i have a commodore ss V8 5.7 235 kW and if my friend has a V6 3.6 260 kW who will win a 200 metre sprint from a stand still? thats what i want to know. thanks. |
| s_htat?? |
| XR6TK1W1 20-1-2003 |
I'm not sure if youre pulling my leg but if you want to know? They say there is no replacment for displacement, but you buy what you like. Some of these Heroshima screamers can do amazing 0-100km times and they handle awesome, but they cant tow the boat, or pull a load to the dump. They lack true torque, and they body weight to do so. Plus small motors have to use revs to do anything accompanied by heaps of gear changes to keep their engines at pull power. Get in a 5.7 Chev or even better a BA Falcon V8 and cruise. Power on tap comfortable on long trips, engines last two to three times longer, passing is easy. So it can mean nothing, and it can mean heaps. All depends on what has been done to an engine. |
| need some help |
| s_htat 17-1-2003 |
I'm wondering what does the V8 and 5.7 litre means with the commordore vy ss. is it the acceleration speed. i.e. 0-100 km quicker if it has V8 and more litres or does it mean it has more power like trucks. they are powerful but slow. i don't know so some1 pls tell me. and also can a V8 5.7 litre beat a celica say with 2.2 litre and turbo charged. and does turbo mean it goes faster quicker or the more litres and V8 goes faster quicker? thanks to all you experts on this. |
| Close-but Ford take it this time |
| ba-rocks 11-1-2003 |
Its true Holden have won the battles of commpettitive car market in the past, but now its time to move over, the ba falcon has arrived. The ba beats the new comodore in all respects exept weight. speed, torque, cornering Its Fords turn for glory. |
| Sheeesh Game over mees thinks its game on!! |
| XR6TK1W1 9-1-2003 |
First of all I have to admit im a Ford fan (yes there are some left Mr Skaife)Second fact yes i'm a Kiwi. Now to the point I have just brought an XR6T. All I have to say is awesome! I think they have got it right this time. I looked at the new Commodore as well. And although its just new panels slightly altered steering and a new interior (which I have to say is much better than any missmatched poorly built square last centuary type interiors that Holden used to make) its a nice car. Not saying I would buy one, i'm a Ford man after all. But lets all lay back and look at what these two companys have done. Holden is going global, Ford is making cars now that make Euros look short of refinment. Holden will catch up, there new HFV6 looks very good. Fords V8 is renouned for strength. Hey we have two of the best platforms of cars to chose from in the world. And compared to the others they are dead cheap. So to cut a long story short, pick which side of the fence you sit on, enjoy what you have and most of all thank this rivalry cause we all benefit from the blow to blow confrontation that the two companys have. Ps XR6T.s piss on Subarus!! |
| civilised societies |
| henk4 8-1-2003 |
Dear speedo, in civilised societies such as ours the tribal conflicts that were omnipresent in the past have been replaced by road wars between car brands. The comments you are referring to are just an innocent reflection of this phenomenon, showing that we may still have a lot to learn. It would be probably a lot safer on the roads if only one type of car, in one version and in one colour would be available in the market. Might not be a nice option and make this site irrelevant, but it would take away a lot of aggression. |
| no idea |
| raddy 8-1-2003 |
Darkant> do your home work on yhe ratio of ba to ss on the road. BA xr8 cant be supplied till march april probably due to the fact they are a well researched, designed and build vehicle. ford could pump them out at a dime a dozen using twenty year old technology like the holden. but they are better than that. However a very small fortunate group of MEN not boys are proud owners of a hand full of early 2003 released ba XR8 falcons.dont even compare holden with ford. holden said GAME OVER. i work for FORD and we say THE GAME HAS JUST STARTED. Grow up and put your money where your mouth is. Ford has! |
| kick holden loves men |
| ASEcert427 1-1-2003 |
Didn't have to wait too long..... HRT 427, Ford has always played catch up since the mid 70s. I don't know why you leave your scribbles here kick holden you must be jelous of the better brand. I don't know what your on about GEN IV V8 but why are overhead cammed engines so great anyway? The next GM V8 is 4.3 litres and has two cams in block the exhaust cam is variable. |
| Grow up! |
| Speedo 16-12-2002 |
Most of you need to grow the hell up! Holden sucks blah blah Ford sucks Blah blah! Tall poppy syndrome more like it. If you don't like a particular car then dont buy it and don't complain about it. |
| Sounds good |
| Kick Holdens 12-12-2002 |
That sounds about right. It's not for no reason Ford would have sacked these people. No wonder the new Commodore has similarities in design with the AU. Beats me why Holden are so dumb. |
| Falcon Commodore Similar Stylings |
| dave950 11-12-2002 |
The reason for the similar stylings is easy because anyone sacked from ford is immediately employed by holden, but i am going to do a servey of they similar styles so Watch this Space ___________________________________________________ |
| us and them |
| crisis 10-12-2002 |
Yes kickholdens, I have heard a gen III, I've got one. Have a listen to a VY SS or SV8 and youll find they are a genuine improvement over the VX/VT. Any improvement to the exhaust note is only a muffler/resonator/exhaust system change away anyhow. The fact that neither Ford nor Holden make an Australian V8 doesnt matter much either. What does matter is that now Ford have finally, seriously rejoined the race, both Holden and Ford fans are in for a good ride. It certainly won't take Holdens ten years to catch up (if they are actually behind) and the result can only be good for all lovers of V8s. I'll probably never own a Ford, not because I think they are shit, which they clearly are'nt, its something I've grown up with and I agree with some people that it may not be a rational way of choosing a car. I dont care. I would imagine most people on this site dont exactly look at cars as mearly a means of transport. |
| Ford on top |
| Kick Holdens 10-12-2002 |
"Hey crisis, You think the HSV 300 is on the top of the tree? Forget it buddy! It may have 300 kilowatts compared to Ford's 290, but you gotta look at the power and torque curves, where the FPV GT will kick HSV where it hurts. Gen3's are biased too much towards the top end. Ford has more bottom end grunt (they've stated it), and a way better engine/exhaust note. Ever heard the gen3? You probably haven't coz they're no louder than a 4-6cyl. The only reason Ford has been playing catchup is because it developed its own engine using US sourced parts. At least they did most of the work themselves! I doubt Holden will come out with anything better in the near future; it's their turn to play catchup for 10 years or more. They'll have to wait a while for the gen4, which is still gonna use pushrods!!!""" |
| catch up |
| crisis 8-12-2002 |
Its nice for Ford to catch up for a while. While the HSV 300kw is still currently top of the tree we'll all keep waiting patiently for the GT. Yeah, Holden did only transfer the Gen 111 into the VY while Ford spent their developement for the next ten years catching up. Even while Ford fans bask in their long awaited glory, Holdens next model will be another jump ahead. Then it will probably take another ten years for Ford to catch them again. |
| OK holdens off mark |
| HSV ETR 8-12-2002 |
hehehehe i guess ur all wondering wats funnni right!!!! well i must say holden have done nothing but transfered old VX engines to the new VY which is very sad for all u HSV fans WHY u ask becouse a XR6 TURBO kicking a SV8's ass is a far beyond embarrassing moment in holdens history oh well if this is sad for u holden fans i cant wait to see your faces when the XR8 reviels its powerplant producing a NEW BOSS 260 90 degree V8 with over 500nm of torque and over 260kw of power that is 1 amazing piece of machinery to mess around with couse they can be very calm when not forced but when you let the beast off the chain and you put the pedal to the metal you are in serious trouble.I must not talk bout the NEW GT thats coming up in front of all sports sedans ur in trouble HSV. |
| Vx ain't sexy! |
| IBrake4Rainbows 28-11-2002 |
`By far the sexiest commodore in my eyes at least is the VK, looked very european and beautifaul, i loved the look of it. But the VX seems to me just a facelift oif the VT, and had no appeal to me whatsoever, maybe the front end differentiation was good, but it wasn't stunning. BTW the new look is called progress, build a bridge and get over it! |
| What has Holden done ? |
| senna 4 ever 27-11-2002 |
After designing and building damn sexy cars for a long time now they are making AU Falcons and Ford is making VX Commodores(the sexiest Commodores of all time).Don't get me wrong I have 2 Commodores,a work horse and a sweet show pony of a VP SS,but where do I go now,do I buy something that looks good and has a fun automatic transmission like in the BA Falcon Turbo6 or a V8 or do I buy a new VY ,Holden do make very good reliable cars but gees it's ugly,even the new HSVs' are disgusting.It will affect sales and Ford will Holden alot.HOLDEN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? |
| happy as |
| crisis 25-11-2002 |
Picked up an SV8 on Friday. I had the HBD skirts fitted which look pretty good. Everyone who has seen it thinks it looks great. I reckon it looks better in the flesh than in print. Can't wait till I rack up the first 1500ks so I can give it a run. Like you JOHNSTRA Im more than happy. |
| What's The Problem? |
| johnstra 25-11-2002 |
Has enyone driven one of these things?, great car done over a thousand kms in it in a couple of weeks. Goes well,stops well and looks good to. All new models look strange when first released but grow on you after a while.Finish and detail is excellant. Anyway I am happy with my new purchase and thats all that matters. |
| appology to henk4 |
| Tim 13-11-2002 |
Yes I was wrong, the omega is rear drive. I thought it wasnt because if you look under the back of a commodore, the diff is mounted onto brackets that attach to the chassi just behind the rear doors, and not bolted up onto the chassi directly as in most cars. It looks like the chassi wasnt designed for rwd and hence the diff bracket was needed. If any one knows why this was done or if there are any disadvantages/benifits then speak up. |
| HSV Makes it look better... |
| IBrake4Rainbows 12-11-2002 |
It's not often that a tack on bodyjkit makes a car look better, but in the case of the new HSV Y range, it is. The rear bumper becomes fuller and loses the retarded rear diffuser. the front also has a deeper chin spoiler and silver inserts for the main part of the front. now, i like Holdens, Mike Simcoe (Holden design chief) did a Fantastic job on the old VT and Monaro, but seems to have made the classic mistake of messing with a good formula. He could have chiseled the front nicely, that he did, but then he made the rear bumper/taillight combo look absolutely shocking! It gets worse in budget versions, such as the Executive, which has horrid plastic wheel covers, and a black plastic surround for the number plate hole int he boot, i just accentuates the ugliness that is the new VY. I am betting on a VY ass lift within 6-12 months, and Mike Simcoes written guarantee that this will never happen again. |
| Holden Assist on the VY SS Ute |
| GlennM 10-11-2002 |
Having placed an order for the VY SS Ute 4 weeks ago, my dealer is telling me that Holden assist is not available in the ute. In ALL the advertising it clearly states it IS available. If I ring holden assistance they say it is available. Now I dont know who to ask. The dealer insists that all the advertising is wrong. Anyone got any ideas ? |
| How to make a good car!! |
| Darkant 9-11-2002 |
Get the back from a BA, front off a New monaro, Chuck a Clubsport style body kit on and we have a nice lookin car.....all agree?? P.s..Ford ba have a better sedan holden have a better UTE. By the way ive seen 22 VY's and only 6 BA's(3 were in a ford car yard) is that because there are alot of vy's where i live or because there are alot of dye hard holden fans?? |
| rear wheel drive |
| henk4 8-11-2002 |
Contrary to what is stated by Tim, the Opel Omega really has rear wheel drive. Can he furthermore explain what s***s stands for? If you want to use foul language, than be a brave man and write the fucking words in total. |
| We Aussies are lucky. |
| Tim 8-11-2002 |
Yes the commodore uses a US engine ect. And the opel omega was built first and has the same body. But the opel omega isnt half the car the commodore is due to one simple fact. Rear wheel drive s***s all over front wheel drive. Holden knows this as does BMW, Mercedes and ford australia. Most other car companies like to go for the cheaper, easier to package option of FWD and forget about what the drivers want. Im glad the Aussie public havent given in to the bean counters pressure to make fwd cars mainstream. I think the V6 Camry and Magna would outsell Commodore/Falcons if they wernt front spinners. As for the new styling, and thats all thats different between the VX and VY, I think its good. The back end is far more aerodynamic as are the new mirrors. The sad attempt to put a rear diffuser look on the rear bumper is awful, it creates more drag and LIFT, just like the stupid rear spoilers that people think are 'sporty'. Its good to see as aussie car using DOHC and 4 valves/cylinder but the ford six has beed a dog ever since it was designed about 20 years ago. The off centre crankshaft means that this engine will never rev freely, they should have scrapped it and started again. As for the commo V6, it is a technological dinousaw, but get suprisingly good fuel economy. My 1981 Datsun 280ZX 2.8l OHC EFI uses more fuel and has about 70hp less. I like the turbo XR6 and would buy one over a SS or WRX. The engineers have made it to be reliable, but all the people who think it will still do 250 thousand kays once they increase boost and put shitty loud blow off valves on will get a nasty suprise. When you modify an engine thats already stressed, fatigue failures will occur shortly afterwards. On a final note a 30 grand 1985 Porsche 928s will crap all over these new 'sporty' family sedands. |
| got one |
| crisis 5-11-2002 |
"I liked it so much I bought one. Actually an SV8. Couldnt afford an SS. You can't get better value in Australia anywhere else than Holden or Ford. 230+kw, 17"" wheels, ABS, traction control, sports suspension (SS, SV8), rear wheel drive ( I've had front drivers, still not as good, ask BMW, Porsche, Ferrari etc). For the asking price of a SS you could have a base model 4cyl BMW, a secondhand, grey import, no warranty R34, or a WRX (styling) if that turns you on. As for Holden vs Ford its personal opinion/bias. I think the Holden style is adventurous/sporty and the Falcon neat but a bit bland. Fords base model looks better than the Comy though.""" |
| Commodore Rush |
| Moth 29-10-2002 |
The VT/VX was great. Had great style, and was the Best seller in Australia for some time. Ford went and did its home work and come together with a very good car with a lot of effort and money. Not only performance. I mean with 32 valves and quad cam the engine will be good. But with safety, Features and Technology. No, I feel Holden sore this and panicked. They quickly decided they need a new model to compete with the new Falcon. So what do they do? Well first they Use the Vectra/Astra styling and loose that commodore Look about them, and on closer inspection, nothing really changed. Oh yes it has 5 extra Kilowatts and new badges and Dash and You end up being coned it is a new model. But really it hasn�t changed allot. If Holden Spent 2 more years developing the Car, it would Absolutely Kick ass. But they rushed, and now they have to suffer the all the Ford Drivers Punching Holes in it. I feel get an �Old�EVX ss at Run out prices, Put a Manaro Front on it and you have much nicer Car. But fear not! Holden Will always have the better Badge. HSV looks Nice Though (another story). |
| What the? |
| marlinfish 24-10-2002 |
"right. going back to VL and forward to Vx i have been a diehard holden fan who hasn't even looked twice at the falcon range. all i've got to say is ""what the hell did holden do?"". i cant beleive the looks of the new base model commodore and obviously HSv have to follow the commodores shape. i only recently saw reviews on the VY HSV range and its not good news.now obviously we cant entirely judge a car on looks and the performance of HSV will no doubt still be ranked high. although i usually wouldn't admit it, the BA looks awesome and with the XR turbo beng released sales should sky rocket. well holden lets hope u know what ur doing. we dont want another AU falcn situation """ |
| Bugger comparisons |
| Lachlan J 24-10-2002 |
Honestly, this is a good car, however the BA falcon just edges out this model in pretty much every specification. So the VYs good, the BAs slightly better, so all you people in this Ford/Holden arguement can just calm down, because all us Australians know that either Ford or Holden, these 2 cars will kick any American sedan, any day of the week. |
| My opinion!! |
| Darkant 18-10-2002 |
"I don't think it matters who made the car or who stoll what idears as long as it looks good. Holden have wooped car sales for five years in a row because they live by the motto ""if it aint broke don't fix it'(What the hell were they thinking when they made the VY eeeeeeeek!!) Which is fair enough if ya got a good look don't change it. I think Ford made a change for the better and Holden made a change for the worse so i recken Ford will outsell the VY this year(Holden need that they're getting a bit cocky). Anyway people are saying the VY back looks like a Magna then there saying it looks like a Vectra then there saying it looks like a ford......Well make up ya bloody minds geeeeeez(personly i recken its a bit of everything). Anyway thats my say see ya. """ |
| Nice site Yoke Peter... |
| GTS25t 18-10-2002 |
... it quotes the chassis type of the VT onwards Commodore as a GM-2800/VSP. Further on that page is a reference to the place of manufacture for the various chassis types and lists the GM-2800 as being built in Russelheim, Germany. Yes I know that the Commodore is built in Australia, but I have not seen any information about the chassis being developed by GMH. I'm going to stand by my earlier statement in that the chassis itself is a European development, and that the Commodore itself still is based on the Opel Omega. I welcome anyone to show me that my beliefs are incorrect as I'm open to learn a bit more about this issue. |
| Opel Vs Holden |
| Yoke Peter 18-10-2002 |
The Holden Commodore was created in 1979 as a replacement for the outdated Kingswood and Torana. It was designed off an Opel Rekord, with a larger engine and modified suspension. At this stage the Rekord was a 2 litre four, but became a 2850 or 3300cc six. In 1988 or 89 when the VN model was introduce it was a complete redesign and although it used an american 3.8 litre V6 engine the rest of it was created in Australia. This chassis, with a slightly restyled body, was then used as a base for the Opel Omega, which, from memory, has engines ranging from 2.2 litre four to a 3.0 litre six. The same Australian chassis is still used for the new Commodores and Omegas. For reference, http://www.acarplace.com/brands/gm/platforms.html tells you where various GM chassis were designed and where they are used. In addition, the new VY Commodore is essentially a VT-VX commodore with a new head and taillight treatment. The Falcon is the same. In both cases the doors and roof profiles are clearly identical to the previous models. All that has been changed is the appearance of the front and back (along with the engineering changes in the Falcon, which is now even more overweight and inefficient, despite the mods). As for the turbo in the XR6, it has been tested at full power for long periods of time. I have seen a picture of it with the exhaust manifold and turbo glowing white hot, so there is no reliability problem. As for those who are unfamiliar with the Holden Vs Ford thing, Holden and Ford both started to make cars in australia just after World War II. GM was contracted to design an Australian car by the Gumment. Ford did it of their own free will. These were the first two cars designed for and built in Australia. Ever since then they have directly competed with each other for the large car market. People developed loyalties, and it is now starting to get out of hand. |
| Opel Commodore |
| henk4 17-10-2002 |
May be Holden has been adding to the confusion by choosing a name that was introduced by Opel in the sixties, when they beefed up their middle class Rekord model and named it Commodore. (Basically some cosmetics plus a 2,5 litre straight six) Later on this was replaced by a separate model, the better known Omega. Being totally unfamiliar with Oz cars, I can't help that immediately when I read about the Holden Commodore the Opel association springs to mind and it makes me think that we are talking about a 40 year old design. It's similar to the VW beetle still being produced in Mexico. |
| Mongrel car |
| GTS25t 17-10-2002 |
"The Commodore truly is not an Opel Omega, but since the VN Commodore has been based on the Opel Omega chasis. It uses components from European, American and Australian arms of General Motors... it's not truly an Aussie car... but it is produced in Australia by the Australian arm of GM. The whole Aussie car thing was started by; General Motors, Ford and Chrysler....American companies. This is an often ignored point when people are discussing the Aussie love of the V8. Just like many things here in Oz, it was introduced, not a native thing. """ |
| F.Y.I Bagas... |
| IBrake4Rainbows 16-10-2002 |
The Commodore, thought sharing the Buick engine, and also the Gen III, is NOT a clone of the Opel Omega. Why don't people get this throught they're thick skulls? Similaritys are purely coincidental, as the Commodore VT ( the original for this model iteration) was in fact, designed in 1997, the Opel was a car from 1994. Not only that, but this car was the first design entirely inhouse at Holden H.Q. Bagas, get over the similarity looks, O.K? oh, and the new falcon is much better. For all holden fans, wait until 2004 for the new HFV6, an engine which is also shared with the new vectra, and the CTS cadillac. |
| A complete stranger to me |
| Outlaw 14-10-2002 |
Here in Europe I've never seen a Holden, And before seeing these pictures I even didn't know that such a car brand existed. Is it possibly a part of the GM group? I mean, the side view looks a lot like the OpelVauxhall Omega, to me, so are they sister cars? Anyway just an average sedan with some interesting styling cues. The front grille looks a lot like recent Mazdas and the back is a lot like recent Honda Civic family. I looked at it over and over and still I can't see how such a perfectly ordinary car can focus so much attention. |
| What a gun |
| Hunter 14-10-2002 |
Bagas, your a gun. A point I missed completly in my last comments. I myself drive a Pulsar N15 SSS, I bought this over a VT Commodore, and also a Magna, sorry dude. But your comment opens up alot for discussion in that the Commodore is really a rip off of many other cars out there...but this time they didn't do all a great deal of making a good looking car. |
| Pfffffffft |
| BiggsWedge 14-10-2002 |
Well, I work @ a Holden Dealership, & ATM, I'd rather go a NEW XR6T, New ECU, Exhaust, Slightly bigger Turbo & an Intercooler & 300+ kw's just like that. Until Holden Bring out their HF06 - All alloy Quad cam 3.8 V6 - And import the Gen VI, Ford will Dominate |
| Holden = Opel |
| bagas 12-10-2002 |
Over a long time, all Holden have done is rip stuff from all the other GM Companies. They do nothing themselves. Look at this: -Barina: European Car -Astra: European Car -Vectra: Europen Car -Commodore: Based on Opel Omega and Cadillac Steinmetz -Monaro: Based on Commodore (see above) -Ecotec 3.8L V6: Buick -GenIII V8: Chevrolet What does this leave? Zafira? How dare Holden call themselves a PROUD AUSTRALIAN COMPANY when most of their stuff isn't even australian? I am a Magna man, and would pick any magna model over the equivalent year Commodore. Its a shame Holden copied Magna with the VY. Holden were too cocky coz they were doing so well and put no effort into their new car, and now ford will perform better. Besides, TJ Magna is more powerful than the VY (and i think it's pathetic to use an engine from 1989 in a new car with this much hype). BTW all you tryhard aussies should get a life and get over the FWD thing (it will be AWD soon anyway)! Drop me an email at [email protected] with any comments. |
| vy |
| grant 12-10-2002 |
The new VYss r crap alright they look okay from the front but that arse belongs on the toilet just like the Au arse. And for the HSV the front looks ugly on all models. What have Holden done. As 4 the barra the XT model is plane and simple as 4 the XR6 & XR8 very very attractive. Can't wait for the GT 340Kw + |
| Geezzz |
| Hunter 11-10-2002 |
"Ok, for those die hard Holden fans who know of nothing else out there better than a Holden...get over yourself. Here are a few facts: One. Ford began the designs for the barra considerably earlier than Holden did for the VY model. If anything Holden stole many ideas from Ford, including the instrumentation on the steering wheel. As for the front light assembly and rear...tough S***. We have seen it time and time again between ford and holden, they always steal each others designs. Ford released their prototype around 6-10 months before Holden mentioned anything about a VY series commodore, so there is a little proof that Holden stole some ideas. Second. Yes, Ford still has to learn about interior design, but one poor design both companies have repeated is the S*** house fabric used on the seats, it rips in no time. Third. I gurantee that when we start to see the XR6 Turbo, it will give Holden a run for its money, especially once people start to tinker with them. Ford engineers have said that the power can be boosted to near 300Kw without any major mods!!!. (this may possibly see an end to the XR8). And last, both cars have come a long way, but it must be admitted that Ford have made the biggest technological advance in their new model, compared to the new Commodore. So please, look at all the facts and get out of this ""looks"" impression, and look at what both cars really have to offer. Just a sugestion to the page creator, put up the new Ford Barra so it is possible to compare both cars within this site. Thanks.""" |
| Something |
| Darkant 10-10-2002 |
I must admit the new holden look is starting to grow on me at first when i saw the rear i almost vomited but i think it looks ok....by the way has anyone seen the new HSV VY Commodore i saw it in a mag it looks better than any HSV commodore so far must make all u ford fans wanna cry!! Anyway for the ford fans have a look at the back of the VX then the new ford back and please dont tell me they didn't pich it......cos the did. Anyway see ya.. |
| VY-Things that make you go hhmmmmmm |
| loki 10-10-2002 |
The VY's look sort of ok at the front end.. Although I prefer the more open HSV style grille on the front as opposed to the new VY...which is still not too bad, but I don't like what they did to the back end...someone commented that it might look OK on a BMW.....well this is a HOLDEN. And as for the Holden knocker, well America is adopting the HOLDEN MONARO as the new Pontiac GTO are they not?...The new GT may be pretty slick, but if holden spent that amount of dosh on improving the VT-VX or VY I think the results would be an awesome 4 wheell Ford demolition squad. |
| be loyal holden fans |
| whoesyourdaddy 8-10-2002 |
all you holden fans should be ashamed of yourselves where is your loyalty......... i think that the new model is far better thean the vx.....comon you too have to be sick of the same old thing year in year out....and remember no one liked the vt when it first came out either... would we all be so quick to comment on this new rear end if it were on a bmw or any other european car.......and as for the new ford line up cover the badge and it is basicaly a vx...GET SOME ORIGINALITY FORD....and ide like to see if ford get their claimed power to the ground (where it counts)... so if you want to buy a ford with a cheep looking interior go ahead dont be suprised if it looks like a taxi.......as for this new xr6 why would you put a turbo on a engine that has a history of overheating problems.......comon be loyal holden fans i like the new look |
| groovy baby yaa |
| latenight 7-10-2002 |
Thay did an exalent designing job. thay got the right spolier, muffler, and on this 1 the paint job is fantastik. it suld be the next austin powers moviy car. I give this *****stars |
| Resemblence???? |
| IBrake4Rainbows 6-10-2002 |
is it just me, or can anyone else see a resemblence in the headlamp design between BA falcon and VY commodore??? |
| Every 1's Dream |
| michelle 6-10-2002 |
I havn't seen much of the new holden commodore vy series yet but i have heard alot about them and in my own opinion they are much better than fords because they look very good(but the front looks a bit like a ford..YUCK)So to put this in just a few words.......I just want one!! |
| FORD vs HOLDEN |
| Darkant 5-10-2002 |
I think the new holden looks great at the front but what the hell happend to the back?? Holden have wooped fords butt in sales for the last five years then they bring out a car that looks like a Magna at the back which i think will dissapoint ALOT of holden fans(myself incuded). Mabee holden are just letting ford win this year hehehe!! P.s For all u ford fans out there i think ford did pinch some idea's from the VX and so on.....but then again holden stole the Magna back...which in my mind looks crap. |
| Welcome to the MAGNADOR |
| waynew 1-10-2002 |
I like many others am dissapointed with the appearance of the new commodore. From the front I think it looks like an AU falcon, from the rear it looks like a Magna. Why did GMH make such a dramatic change and move away from the winning formula of the past models of the Commodore. For those that wish to know, I have owned more holdens than fords and believe there are good and bad in both makes. |
| A 500hp 2200kg-2500kg HSV GTS?? WTF?? |
| GTS25t 1-10-2002 |
Ummm, the highest output engine HSV has ever putn into a production car is a 300kW (400hp) engine => Hence the 300 badges on the flanks and rear.... and while they are a heavy car they are yet to get over 1900kg.... where the hell are you getting those stats from? 4.6 seconds to 100km/h?? More like high to mid 5s.... sounds like you are making up statistics. |
| They go hard, |
| Holden_Fan 30-9-2002 |
the new holden VY's go heaps harder then all the other holdens put together, i work at a holden Dealership and my boss has test driven one and said thye have a lot my top end Power and speed to the older models, and i can tell u one thing, they will eat anyother commodore Even mine. and For u ford fan outs there, they will also eat your heaps of shit on the Road, Get rid of the Buckets of shit and buy a holden, holden fans can eamil me at [email protected], Hope to hear from Holden fans Soon. |
| Amazing |
| Perko 20-9-2002 |
i recently went for a Hot Lap in the new Commodore at Queensland Raceway. the power it gets out of what is Holdens biggest ever motor is amazing! i felt the same...as Ford is catching up to Holden. but don't judge the Lion until experiencing the real thing |
| have you seen the holden............ |
| motorhead 19-9-2002 |
HSV GTS. It has 502hp so what the hell do you mean holdens have so little hp. Acceleration is 4.6sec and the car weighs about 2200-2500kg!!!!!! |
| HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| Peter 19-9-2002 |
ok this is going to be totally my opinion and i dont want any holden fans out there trying to prove me wrong. HOLDENS ARE CRAP... yep i said it they lack they power of fords up and coming BA and even at the mpoment with the power advantage they are having trouble beating them and in some aspects they dont even come close to the fords performance. oh well i hope ths to be a weekly thing so i can pay out all the holden fans out there |
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