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kennyknoxville
12-05-2003, 04:22 PM
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Egg Nog
12-05-2003, 09:12 PM
It's soooo hard to decide :)

I think I'd have to say almost every Group B rally car, the Lancia Delta Integrale, and the Ford RS200. These new WRC cars are wussy :)

bum-man
12-05-2003, 09:52 PM
puegeot 206 or mitsubishi evo 7

SL500
12-06-2003, 01:27 AM
1990 Peugeot 405 T16

Batmobile_Turbo
12-06-2003, 09:13 AM
the Delta integrale all the way baby!:cool: :cool:

DasModell
12-06-2003, 09:49 AM
Stratos , Fulvia HF, 037

http://www.lanciarally037.com

Batmobile_Turbo
12-06-2003, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by DasModell
Stratos , Fulvia HF, 037

http://www.lanciarally037.com

oh yeah, i forgot about the stratos but i love it too:cool:

RS6
12-07-2003, 03:18 PM
Audi Quattro.

Falcon500
12-07-2003, 07:03 PM
The stratos is a top car.theford rs200 group B car was cool and for modern ones go the escort.

Alfahollic
12-14-2003, 07:32 AM
Stratos and Delta integrale. Hate all the jap crap in the WRC.

Alfahollic
12-14-2003, 07:34 AM
Also, youll laugh but one of those saab 9000 thingos with a huge truck turbo. :p The engine doesnt last very long tho.

bum-man
12-14-2003, 12:38 PM
saab 9-3 pikes peak edition
DOHC 4 Valves / Cyl
Displacement 2000 cc / 122.0 cu in
Power 559.3 kw / 750.0 bhp @ 8000 rpm
Torque 702.31 nm / 518.0 ft lbs @ 6500 rpm

a 0-60 time in 2.3 seconds
this thing beat the suzuki Escudo pikes peak record.

http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=2000_saab_9-3_pikes_peak-1.jpg

Batmobile_Turbo
12-14-2003, 01:50 PM
this is my new favorite rally car. sweeet

henk4
12-15-2003, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by Batmobile_Turbo
this is my new favorite rally car. sweeet

You don't know that rallyes are done on tarmac too?

Anyway, how about the S4 and of course the current world champion, the Xsara.

henk4
12-15-2003, 03:56 AM
and to please crisis, here's this one

Scientist
12-15-2003, 04:06 AM
Yeah, the Mini was pretty good.

My current favorite is the Xsara WRC, all time fave is the Lancia Stratos

henk4
12-15-2003, 05:01 AM
another which people tend to forget

SL500
12-15-2003, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by henk4
another which people tend to forget
Renault Alpine???

henk4
12-15-2003, 09:08 AM
No, Alpine Renault, there is a subtle difference!

SL500
12-16-2003, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by henk4
No, Alpine Renault, there is a subtle difference!
well,i didnt know that car.
it was a famous car in rally races or not?

henk4
12-16-2003, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by SL500
well,i didnt know that car.
it was a famous car in rally races or not?

In 1973 they were world champion, having won the following rallyes:
Monte Carlo
Portugal
Marocco
Acropolis
Austria
Coupe des Alpes
San Remo
Corsica

They were very successfull in other years too, but the list would become too long.

SL500
12-16-2003, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by henk4
In 1973 they were world champion, having won the following rallyes:
Monte Carlo
Portugal
Marocco
Acropolis
Austria
Coupe des Alpes
San Remo
Corsica

They were very successfull in other years too, but the list would become too long.
oh,Nice,have you another pics from this car,in races or events?

henk4
12-16-2003, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by SL500
oh,Nice,have you another pics from this car,in races or events?

check this site first!

henk4
12-16-2003, 02:45 AM
but here are a couple more

henk4
12-16-2003, 02:46 AM
and

SL500
12-16-2003, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by henk4
check this site first!
Im toooooooo lazy!:D

Thanks for pics.

DasModell
12-17-2003, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by henk4
No, Alpine Renault, there is a subtle difference!

for the pre-1974 cars if i'm not mistaking i seem to remeber the Renault-Alpine that won LeMans

henk4
12-19-2003, 09:58 AM
for the pre-1974 cars if i'm not mistaking i seem to remeber the Renault-Alpine that won LeMans

you mean this car.
Indeed after Renault took over the factory the sequence changed but I don't think Jean Redele was happy with it.

Matra et Alpine
12-19-2003, 01:26 PM
Im toooooooo lazy!:D

Thanks for pics.

To enjoy a 110 it has to be seen in action.

These rally cars were NOT made to sit and look pretty and polished.
They are prettiest when going sideways in snow - no othere way of driving them around corners !!

I'll help with a few photo, but go find the videos yourself :)

Peter (A610 owenr)

henk4
12-19-2003, 01:44 PM
To enjoy a 110 it has to be seen in action.

These rally cars were NOT made to sit and look pretty and polished.
They are prettiest when going sideways in snow - no othere way of driving them around corners !!

I'll help with a few photo, but go find the videos yourself :)

Peter (A610 owenr)

Thanks, looking great. and you are right, these cars were not made for show purposes.

Batmobile_Turbo
12-19-2003, 02:38 PM
You don't know that rallyes are done on tarmac too?

Anyway, how about the S4 and of course the current world champion, the Xsara.
yes i know that rallys are done on tarmac, and i've already said that the lancia delta is my favorite rally car(on tarmac) but my favorite all around rally car is the race Touareg.

henk4
12-19-2003, 03:05 PM
yes i know that rallys are done on tarmac, and i've already said that the lancia delta is my favorite rally car(on tarmac) but my favorite all around rally car is the race Touareg.

The race touareg would not stand a chance on tarmac so it is not really an allround rallye car. In the Sahara it will probably be unbeatable though.

DasModell
12-22-2003, 04:59 AM
if we did get to french rally cars .. someone should post some photos with the DS in action .. :) ...

Matra et Alpine
12-23-2003, 11:14 AM
if we did get to french rally cars .. someone should post some photos with the DS in action .. :) ...Here you go .. taken from "The evolution of rallying", a DUKE DVD.
Highly recommended if you like the classic Mini, escort, opeal, Alpine (and citroen) days of the past.
I'll try and get the DS video clip if you want

henk4
12-23-2003, 02:24 PM
Here you go .. taken from "The evolution of rallying", a DUKE DVD.
Highly recommended if you like the classic Mini, escort, opeal, Alpine (and citroen) days of the past.
I'll try and get the DS video clip if you want

Great, thanks

lfb666
12-23-2003, 03:54 PM
Audi Quattro. It made the link between rallying and 4-wheel drive. Since the Quattro was introduced into rally there hasn't been a single Two-wheel drive car that has won the major championships.

henk4
12-23-2003, 04:09 PM
Audi Quattro. It made the link between rallying and 4-wheel drive. Since the Quattro was introduced into rally there hasn't been a single Two-wheel drive car that has won the major championships.

something tries to tell me that a Xsara kit car won a WC tarmac rallye a couple of years ago, but I can be mistaken. I think you are right about the historic meaning of the quattro, but it did take away some of the charms of rallying. Actually when writing this it occurs to me that we could start an action to ban AWD in rallying alltogther :)

Matra et Alpine
12-23-2003, 05:32 PM
Audi Quattro. It made the link between rallying and 4-wheel drive. Since the Quattro was introduced into rally there hasn't been a single Two-wheel drive car that has won the major championships.
I wouldn't call it a "link".
Their is very little common between a 4x4 and a 4WD WRC rally car.
Especially a modern one with computer-controlled diffs !!
The Audi was a beast and not particularly easy to steer on any surface.
Made worse by shortening the chassis in a bid to help it round corners.
The Peugeot T16 was more of a ground-breaker.
An RS200 was likely going to be better still, shame it all got banned before we saw the best of it :-)

As a forest stage fan, rallying is best done sideways with rear wheel drive and no driver aids. Sorts the drivers from the joystick jockeys :-)

Falcon500
12-23-2003, 07:33 PM
Well i bought an english ford tuning magazine by accident (they both had thesame name at the time and the other give away was how to install body kits steros and strut braces :mad: ) but as far as interesting bits and pieces go they still have a ford rs200 competing at pikes peak. The cars new carbon fibre peices make it look more like an australian super sedan and its won its class 2 years running. Im just wondering any body got any good pics of an rs200?
And I would show you the austrlian rally toranas pic that used to compete in rally austrlia but i cant find one but i can show you the phase 4 GTHO that raced in rally it actually done very well for its size it came 4th in the series.The one that competed was actually green. People dont really follow rally that much here.

henk4
12-24-2003, 01:54 AM
here's an RS200, but not in action

Matra et Alpine
12-24-2003, 04:01 AM
Well i bought an english ford tuning magazine by accident (they both had thesame name at the time and the other give away was how to install body kits steros and strut braces :mad: ) but as far as interesting bits and pieces go they still have a ford rs200 competing at pikes peak. The cars new carbon fibre peices make it look more like an australian super sedan and its won its class 2 years running. Im just wondering any body got any good pics of an rs200?
And I would show you the austrlian rally toranas pic that used to compete in rally austrlia but i cant find one but i can show you the phase 4 GTHO that raced in rally it actually done very well for its size it came 4th in the series.The one that competed was actually green. People dont really follow rally that much here.
World rally championship is based on national rallying in mixtures of forest, track and tarmac stages.
Comparing Pikes Peak cars with stage rallies is like Indy 500 and F1.
PP car's would not get anywhere in tight twisty rallies - and likewise without major engine re-management, wrc cars would struggle a mile high :-)

Matra et Alpine
12-24-2003, 04:03 AM
if we did get to french rally cars .. someone should post some photos with the DS in action .. :) ...
OK, I sat and watched the DVD again last night and grabbed the DS clip just for you :-)
It's a great DVD, I recommend it to anyone interested in the history of the cars and drivers.

DAMN! Why not allow movie clips ? I cannot load the file to here :-(
So, for a short time only, it can be found at
DS rally clip (http://www.bad-boy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/videos/dsmovie.wmv) (196Kb)
and for your enjoyment two of my Alpine ....
A610 through hairpin (http://www.bad-boy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/videos/A610%20through%20hairpin%20sideways.AVI) (640Kb)
Exploding A610 (http://www.bad-boy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/videos/A610%20exploding%20on%20Eldorado.wmv) (1.7Mb)

henk4
12-24-2003, 04:33 AM
OK, I sat and watched the DVD again last night and grabbed the DS clip just for you :-)
It's a great DVD, I recommend it to anyone interested in the history of the cars and drivers.

DAMN! Why not allow movie clips ? I cannot load the file to here :-(
So, for a short time only, it can be found at
DS rally clip (http://www.bad-boy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/videos/dsmovie.wmv) (196Kb)
and for your enjoyment two of my Alpine ....
A610 through hairpin (http://www.bad-boy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/videos/A610%20through%20hairpin%20sideways.AVI) (640Kb)
Exploding A610 (http://www.bad-boy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/videos/A610%20exploding%20on%20Eldorado.wmv) (1.7Mb)

I would have loved to see all this but my computer for security reasons refuses to download the images, I can only hear the sounds which are particularly interesting in the clip of the exploding A610. Did it really go up in pieces?

Matra et Alpine
12-24-2003, 07:30 AM
I would have loved to see all this but my computer for security reasons refuses to download the images, I can only hear the sounds which are particularly interesting in the clip of the exploding A610. Did it really go up in pieces?
Don't understand that. The exploding A610 is a Windows Media Video format. ( Hmm I might check again, it may be MPEG4 which needs newer decoders ) The Hairpin is a divx I'm sure. Try righ-clicking on the url and select "Save Target as" and see if it helps then opening it directly. It might be an IE setting.

No, they didn't blow up the 610 :p they replaced it with a TR7 with bits stuck on to make it look like the A610. It's the WORST special effect in the world !!!!

henk4
12-24-2003, 07:59 AM
Well don't worry, it has to do with the fact my laptop that was originally operated within a protected network environment, and still has some features that I cannot deal with. Probably reinstalling everything would solve the problem, but I don't feel like doing that.

A relief to hear that it was a TR7, a long way away from becoming a classic. You're sure it wasn't a TR8? :D

Matra et Alpine
12-24-2003, 09:18 AM
Well don't worry, it has to do with the fact my laptop that was originally operated within a protected network environment, and still has some features that I cannot deal with. Probably reinstalling everything would solve the problem, but I don't feel like doing that.

A relief to hear that it was a TR7, a long way away from becoming a classic. You're sure it wasn't a TR8? :D
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There's clearly no engine in it - watch the video frame by frame.
At least someone had some sense - engine in the front would have been too obvious - but then there are the louvres in the bonnet. :p
no wonder the series bombed !!

Falcon500
12-25-2003, 06:37 AM
World rally championship is based on national rallying in mixtures of forest, track and tarmac stages.
Comparing Pikes Peak cars with stage rallies is like Indy 500 and F1.
PP car's would not get anywhere in tight twisty rallies - and likewise without major engine re-management, wrc cars would struggle a mile high :-)
At what point did i compare them? i was just saying its interesting they still have one competing in a major event.
And ty Henk4 though the pics i have of them there arnt that many lights on them?

Matra et Alpine
12-25-2003, 07:05 AM
At what point did i compare them? i was just saying its interesting they still have one competing in a major event.
Noted Falcon, I was onlyy adding for those who maybe haven't seen many RS200s ( or Audis or Peugeot 405s ) that the ones for Pikes Peak are different cars and setups than rallying. Usually LOTS of wing, HUGE rubber, no lights and as wide and low as they can get it within the rules.
They can look like different cars.
Just trying to help.
Peter
PS: My systems rebuilding just now,later I'll post some nice vid clips of the 405 on PP :-)

Matra et Alpine
12-25-2003, 07:50 AM
PS: My systems rebuilding just now,later I'll post some nice vid clips of the 405 on PP :-)
Forgot I had a clip uploaded already. Click on it to view
Ari in 405 on Pikes Peak (http://www.bad-boy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/videos/ari%20on%20PP%20in%20405.wmv) ( about 600K ).
Recommend to all rally and PP fans to get a hold of the full film. It was produced by Peugeot and is the 405 inside and out. Lots of artistic shots to balance the total driving balls-out shots !! A French film it ended up with the odd title "Climb Dance" in English. This film won lots of awards in 1990 and is STILL good viewing.
Drifiting flat out that close to trees and sheer drops takes a large amount of courage - so the track is WIDE, they use all of it !!!!
If folks are interested I can open up more of the footage I have of British and European rally clips. A TOTALLY different experience :-) Especially first hand.

Falcon500
12-26-2003, 02:08 AM
[QUOTE=Matracien et Al]Noted Falcon, I was onlyy adding for those who maybe haven't seen many RS200s ( or Audis or Peugeot 405s ) that the ones for Pikes Peak are different cars and setups than rallying. Usually LOTS of wing, HUGE rubber, no lights and as wide and low as they can get it within the rules.
They can look like different cars.
Just trying to help.
PeterQUOTE]
OK fair enough my friend and yous most certianlyu right as i just found out. The pic Henk posted is so very diffrent from the rally pics ive seen im curious wether that one was a cross country rallylike the mexican baja or somthing?

henk4
12-26-2003, 04:25 AM
OK fair enough my friend and yous most certianlyu right as i just found out. The pic Henk posted is so very diffrent from the rally pics ive seen im curious wether that one was a cross country rallylike the mexican baja or somthing?

Are you talking about the RS200? That was to be the ultimate group B rallyecar, in the same class as the S4, and might even have had to compete with the Ferrari 288 GTO and certainly with this one.

Falcon500
12-26-2003, 04:42 AM
well the pics i have they are devoidof all those lights on the front im assuming that wouldof been set up for long distance rallys with the all those lights (of course i could be wrong) I would be following rally if they still churned out cars like that.

henk4
12-26-2003, 04:49 AM
well the pics i have they are devoidof all those lights on the front im assuming that wouldof been set up for long distance rallys with the all those lights (of course i could be wrong) I would be following rally if they still churned out cars like that.

The lights are still in use but only in Rallyes where they do evening stages such as the RAC. I think also the Monte does some night stages. The lights are easily removable, so the cars are totally the same. No reason for you not to follow rallying then :D

Falcon500
12-26-2003, 05:39 AM
No im saying i dont follow them because the cars lack charictor i find (i still whatch it on tv but i dont get into it much like f1) and have basicly hardly any resemblence from their stock road going counter parts.

henk4
12-26-2003, 05:49 AM
No im saying i dont follow them because the cars lack charictor i find (i still whatch it on tv but i dont get into it much like f1) and have basicly hardly any resemblence from their stock road going counter parts.

Well Group N cars are about as standard as you can get, and actually the current WRC cars are much nearer to the road going versions as the mid-engined group B monsters. It's true though that you cannot buy an AWD 205 or Xsara, but the Lancers and Subaru's are available.

eyebrows
12-26-2003, 06:18 AM
the rs2000 and the rs3100 would be my favourite rally cars even thought the rs3100 wasn't raced as much as a rally car

Falcon500
12-27-2003, 03:22 AM
Well i read in the peformance ford UK that they offerd road going versions of the rs200 too. Well the current class might be closer to real cars even if they did offer proper road going group b cars the price they would of been worth would of been unrealistic to say the least. Any idea if ford (who have confirmed they will still be racing next year) will be running the focus or the Fiesta?

Matra et Alpine
12-27-2003, 04:10 AM
Well i read in the peformance ford UK that they offerd road going versions of the rs200 too. Well the current class might be closer to real cars even if they did offer proper road going group b cars the price they would of been worth would of been unrealistic to say the least. Any idea if ford (who have confirmed they will still be racing next year) will be running the focus or the Fiesta?
For Group B homologation, manufacturers were required to build 200 and make them available for sale. All the manufacturers ended up with about 150 lying in storage when Group B was banned ! Ford and Rover did close-out sales where they sold them off way below cost to clear the factory ! Brother owns an rs200, Peugeot T16 ( didn't go for the RS4 as quote " it sounds like a tractor and the gearbox baulks" :-) and had 4 quattros - "GBM RallySport".
The following year, the top drivers in rallycross had reduced weight even further and fettled engines more to produce the ultimate rallycross cars so prices went up again for a while.
Their is a large Group B onwership club in the UK but thir web page for contacts has gone down :-(
The RS4 rose again as a rally car in the UK using different engines and were quite successful. quattro S2s were just TOO special to afford to keep running. RS200 owners were and still are able to uprate the 250bhp to 600. Brother's was updated after an egngine mishap and it is astoundingly fast.
Occasionaly a car will come up for sale in the Group B club for those interested. - keep trying www.groupb-cc.org.uk and hopefully they'll get it fixed soon.

Falcon500
12-27-2003, 05:18 AM
Interesting that id love to own one too...Well without aproper job ill be saving up for a damn long time there ;) But thats somthign i never knew What are they like to drive? and about howmuch wouldone be worth?

Matra et Alpine
12-27-2003, 08:59 AM
Interesting that id love to own one too...Well without aproper job ill be saving up for a damn long time there ;) But thats somthign i never knew What are they like to drive? and about howmuch wouldone be worth?
Long story, but his cars and I have never been in the same place with all of us working OK !!
The T16 was a street version and didn't get all the rally upgrades, so it's well behind the RS200 - especially after the engine upgrade. With everything adjustable the RS is the perfect car. He ran it as a course opening car on International rally and recorded the fastest time on one of the stages ( it was a tarmac road he drove almost daily so new it compeltely ! )
For a few years he ran the GBM rally team using Ingolsdadt prepared quattros and they werw big and harder to match the small Ford on twisty roads and the track.
Hoping next year to take the Alpine to visit him and we have a few days swapping drives :-)

Falcon500
12-27-2003, 04:29 PM
He should take it down for the adelade rally,Targa Tasmainia and targa new zeland thery have a lot of ex works teams rally cars with fairly poor pedigrees getting damn close to winning them with a car like that and sounding like a pretty good driver (fastest time) sounds like hes in for a chance and failing that hell more then likely havefun :D
And it musty be dissapionting to miss out on a drive of such a neat car good luck

P.S and what year is your alipine?

Matra et Alpine
12-27-2003, 06:37 PM
He should take it down for the adelade rally,Targa Tasmainia and targa new zeland thery have a lot of ex works teams rally cars with fairly poor pedigrees getting damn close to winning them with a car like that and sounding like a pretty good driver (fastest time) sounds like hes in for a chance and failing that hell more then likely havefun :D
And it musty be dissapionting to miss out on a drive of such a neat car good luck

P.S and what year is your alipine?

My Alpine is an A610 - there are pictures of it elsewhere on the site, a searhc will find it. I'm trying to negotiate an exchange for an A110 Grp IV, but the owners holding out for lots of cash as well :-9

He did NZ twice and Oz once. Possum used to hire the Quattro and it didn't cost a lot more to ship out another car and run it himself. Sadly he rolled his own car EVERY time ! Just not enough practice on the surface ! So he's wary now.

Another mate is heading off for classic Australia rally soon in his MGB. Am trying to persude the driver I navigate for in post-historic to plan for it with our own MGB GT :-) Funds and sponsorship are REALLY difficult to get together in the UK just now. I've added pics of the MGB in a recent rally. Along with some nice artistic post-historic collection at one of the Stage entries....

Falcon500
12-27-2003, 06:50 PM
Well the alipines are interesting cars one i must admit i hav enever seen in the flesh parrtlybecause of the reason thatRenault dont have any realfollowing in this country.
Possum are you refering to the late rally champion or someone else?
Hmm nice pics too :) Have a look around the race reports on the adelade rally and other event if there are any i think youd be interested in the cars that they enter in these competitions in this years adelade rally they even enterd a genuine GT40! and i think youd beinterested in the Ford perana Capri (south african capri with small block windosr v8)
also out of curiosity how much would a good cosworth sierra set a person back nowdays?

DasModell
01-05-2004, 06:35 AM
Here you go .. taken from "The evolution of rallying", a DUKE DVD.
Highly recommended if you like the classic Mini, escort, opeal, Alpine (and citroen) days of the past.
I'll try and get the DS video clip if you want

what a car .. i love french cars . second best :) :)

DasModell
01-05-2004, 06:48 AM
The lights are still in use but only in Rallyes where they do evening stages such as the RAC. I think also the Monte does some night stages. The lights are easily removable, so the cars are totally the same. No reason for you not to follow rallying then :D

i don;t think think they do night stages anymore :( :( :( :( :(
btw .. the AlItalia Stratos with lights on looks awesome ..

Mustang
01-07-2004, 04:19 PM
this is my favourite

Matra et Alpine
01-07-2004, 05:44 PM
Split allegience now.......

I have to say this is my current favourite rally car ( or my driver beats me up ).

BTW, that's me in the nav seat :) and driver standing in other shot.

We came 6th in class, not bad considering we just rebushed and rebuilt the rear suspension the night before the event.

btw, one of the stages and 2 regularity legs were in pitch dark.

PS: My favourite is STILL the A110 sorry, Iain !!!!

Matra et Alpine
01-07-2004, 05:58 PM
If you like the classic 70s rally cars then look out for the BBC Scotland Killarney Historic Stage Rally report. Brilliant 30 minutes of TV coverage of these cars on thelimit over some of the classic stages in Ireland.

There's a video clip of an Escort rolling and an interview with the Irish navigator.
My driver's thinking of dumping me :)
Watch the clip and you'll maybe know why

Escort crash on Killarney 2004 (http://www.bad-boy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/videos/Escort%20crash%20on%20Killarney%202004.wmv)

stratos
01-09-2004, 09:27 AM
were it is my favorite i hope you enjoy it

stratos
01-09-2004, 09:30 AM
hey mustang123 dont take bad but i think if you ride that "monster" it will be pure suicide

NAZCA C2
01-12-2004, 11:59 AM
The Lancia Stratos is definately my favorite rally car, old Ford Escorts, the turbo Audis from the 80's, and the Porsche 959 are also pretty cool.

stratos
01-12-2004, 12:04 PM
Thats the way Nazda c2 :D :cool: :p

Matra et Alpine
01-12-2004, 02:48 PM
The Lancia Stratos is definately my favorite rally car, old Ford Escorts, the turbo Audis from the 80's, and the Porsche 959 are also pretty cool.

Hmm, yes, the Stratos, Beautiful sound and looks. Seen on the RAC Rally when it used to be British and not just Wales.

For the Audi lovers, here's a couple of pics of brother in action when he owned the Audi team ....

Evil Ewok
01-15-2004, 07:30 PM
Oh this is a really tough choice, but I would love to find a dvd or cassette that has information and video footage of group B rallying.

My favorite would have to be the Lancia Delta Integrale. Awesome.

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2004, 07:37 PM
Oh this is a really tough choice, but I would love to find a dvd or cassette that has information and video footage of group B rallying.

My favorite would have to be the Lancia Delta Integrale. Awesome.

Yep, has to be the S4 tough :)


DVD you want is WORLD’S GREATEST RALLY CARS :
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Matra et Alpine
01-17-2004, 06:31 PM
Here's a might-have-been ...

Fiat developed the Fiat X1/9 with Twin-Cam 2litre but it never saw the light of day. Just found ONE photo from the factory. These cars wer lighter and had more power than the great Stratos and were going to replace it in world rallying.

A work colleague had built a copy of this car for stage rallying in the UK in the early 80s. It looked and sounded fantastic , was UNBEATABLE on tarmac and UNDRIVEABLE on forest :)

(Sorry about quality, but it's an old book - it does look better full size )

EDIT: Renamed attachment as the pic is from 73ish

Evil Ewok
01-21-2004, 05:56 PM
My father was a rally man, and his shop in michigan worked on some of the original semi trucks that ran in the early Dakar rally raids. Along with this, he also found a FIAT Rally model from the 70's and I still have it. He owned 3 or 4 FIAT'S thru out the upper 70s and 80s, and the model is quite interesting. From one of the pictures, I can tell that he had 2 cars the looked kind of like the model. Later tonight I will try to figure out what model fiat's him and my mother owned, and also to see if I can find out a way to get the pictures scanned by a friend and the model with a digital camera.

Evil Ewok
01-21-2004, 06:13 PM
Ok, information found out faster than I had though. The model is a FIAT 128 and he's had it since the late 70's. Besides that, he has owned 2 or 3 FIAT 128 coupes, a 124 coupe and some other model I dont recognize. My mother said that he might have owned more before she met him, but I don't know. I will try to get pictures.

Matra et Alpine
01-21-2004, 06:26 PM
My father was a rally man, and his shop in michigan worked on some of the original semi trucks that ran in the early Dakar rally raids. Along with this, he also found a FIAT Rally model from the 70's and I still have it. He owned 3 or 4 FIAT'S thru out the upper 70s and 80s, and the model is quite interesting. From one of the pictures, I can tell that he had 2 cars the looked kind of like the model. Later tonight I will try to figure out what model fiat's him and my mother owned, and also to see if I can find out a way to get the pictures scanned by a friend and the model with a digital camera.
The most successful FIATs is a close thing between the 131 and the 124 Spider - the latter is my favourite but the 131 was a monster with 250bhp revving to 9000 (25 years ago!). They all sounded beautiful - Italian twin cams at their best.
http://www.fiat-abarth.net/images/131_7.jpg
http://www.sportracingteam.it/principale/Fotofrafie/trento_bondone/fiat_124_abarth.jpg

Ferrari Tifosi
01-21-2004, 08:21 PM
My favorite is the 1970 911ST/GT Monte Carlo

Suka
01-23-2004, 11:51 AM
Mine would have to be the Metro 6R4.
Here is a pic of my Dads companies one!

SPN:DOC
01-28-2004, 04:46 AM
Renault 5 Turbo.

Matra et Alpine
01-29-2004, 08:21 AM
Another desperate struggle to get the car ready, but we made it - water leak fixed 30 minutes before he's off.
I couldn't make this event with my driver, so he's got another nav.
Not officially entered, but will be at the start at Reims and gonig to see if he can blag his way onto the stages after last car through.
It's France, they'll love it :)

Matra et Alpine
01-31-2004, 09:01 AM
Im just wondering any body got any good pics of an rs200?
Somone will compain about reviving old posts but this one was still breathing :)

Anyway, don't you wish you could have been here 20 years ago ?
http://www.rally.no/rs200/200x200.jpg
The 200 RS200s built for homologation awaiting some customers.
They were going cheap a year later when GrB was banned outright !!

Evil Ewok
01-31-2004, 10:12 AM
I remember one being sold a while back on ebaymotors. Twas for a pretty penny.

Olumurphy
02-21-2004, 04:50 AM
I Am A Nigeria With Driving Experience, I Like Driving Car For Racing But Unfortunately, We Don't Have Car Race(sport) Here In Nigeria, But I Want To Be More Expert.
I Will Be Very Glad If You Can Assist Me On This Issue, Your Early Reply Will Be Appreciated. Thanks And God Bless.

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Nigeria,
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Matra et Alpine
02-21-2004, 07:02 AM
I Am A Nigeria With Driving Experience, I Like Driving Car For Racing But Unfortunately, We Don't Have Car Race(sport) Here In Nigeria, But I Want To Be More Expert.
I Will Be Very Glad If You Can Assist Me On This Issue, Your Early Reply Will Be Appreciated. Thanks And God Bless.

Yours Sincerely,
Olumurphy,
Nigeria,
Ogun-state,
Sango-ota,
234039
Tell us more about you and what you have driven and we'll see if we can help.

Heads-up, if this is a 419 then please stop now :)

RenesisEvo
02-26-2004, 04:00 AM
Mine would have to be the Metro 6R4.


I can't decide between that bonkers-motor and the 2003/4 Focus RS with the seriously kool rear spoiler.. :cool:

Nothing beats the Lancia Delta S4 for powerplants tho... supercharger AND turbo.. hehe. ;)

RenesisEvo
02-26-2004, 04:07 AM
Their is a large Group B onwership club in the UK but thir web page for contacts has gone down ...- keep trying www.groupb-cc.org.uk and hopefully they'll get it fixed soon.

Sadly I remember a magazine (CCC) stating that the group b cc had closed due to declining membership. Equally sad is that the mag closed recently, after 40years+ of loyal service.

Matra et Alpine
02-26-2004, 04:22 AM
Sadly I remember a magazine (CCC) stating that the group b cc had closed due to declining membership. Equally sad is that the mag closed recently, after 40years+ of loyal service.
CCC gone :( Wow the end of an era, shame it was a great mag when the readers interests in cars was about performance nad handling and competing. The rise of rags like MaxPower etc is all aout posing. Shame. RIP :(
Didn't know about Group B club closing.
There's another organisation 'slowly sideways' which has entered a few cars in competitions I've been at. They all seemed Group B cars, maybe they're resurrected :)
Some photos of their cars late last year at http://www.courtney-msport.com/03-manxgroupb/page1.htm

Olumurphy
03-15-2004, 10:50 AM
Good Sir,
I am sorry for replying lately, for security purpose I like what you wrote about 419, I am not the type, I can assure you 90 percent about the recent issue about assisting me, I have wrote it in the last mail I mailed to you, I am a Nigerian with a driving experience, I have drove many cars expect truck, I am a guy who arose from a challenging background, and I like a challenging game like car race and other challenging games.

Incase you want to e-mail me apart from this means, please mail me [email protected] or [email protected],

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kiwitt
03-15-2004, 02:43 PM
1) Early Rally = Ford Escort
2) Pre Group B = Lancia Stratos
3) Group B = Ford RS200
4) Paris-Dakar = Porsche 959/961
5) Post Group B = Mitsubishi EVO series
6) WRC = Ford Focus WRC

I have leaning torwards the Ford Rally Cars, because of their early success in the Escort. I find myself supporting their subsequent cars, because of this.

DarkPhenix
04-16-2004, 01:32 PM
Lancia Stratos and Pegeout 206 WRC! ;)

Jowie
04-18-2004, 01:02 AM
i think that www DOT outwar DOT com/page.php?x=2115213 is the best car. If you dont agree then id like to know a better one .


I've shown the link so eveyoine can see it's a pathetic attempt to gain points in a purile on-line challenge. Please post relevant car stuff or go elsewhere - Cheers, matra et Alpine

DoG4HF
12-02-2004, 09:17 AM
My favorite rally cars are the Lancia Delta S4 and the Ford RS200.

quattro_20v
12-02-2004, 09:50 AM
Audi Quattro for me :D

quattro_20v
12-02-2004, 09:52 AM
For the Audi lovers, here's a couple of pics of brother in action when he owned the Audi team ....

My car is on that pic :P

narb
12-02-2004, 01:15 PM
mine is ford focus wrc
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10056

Matra et Alpine
12-02-2004, 02:58 PM
Mine will be forever the A110.

BUT, found some nice pics from 1984 rally with Carllson driving an RX-7.
B&W but looks nice IMHO.

Check them out at http://www.rally-bohemia.cz/1984/images/photogalery.asp

http://www.rally-bohemia.cz/1984/images/Carlsson_Melande_S_Mazda_RX_7_5.jpg

netburner
12-03-2004, 09:01 AM
1) Early Rally = Saab 96
2) Pre Group B = Lancia Stratos
3) Group B = Audi Quattro
4) Paris-Dakar = Mitsubishi Pajero
5) Post Group B = Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IV
6) WRC = Subaru Impreza WRC'04

Rob Mann
12-07-2004, 05:41 PM
my favourite raly car of all time would have to be the audi sprot quattro e2.

spinemm
05-26-2005, 11:35 AM
1) Early Rally = Saab 96
2) Pre Group B = Lancia Stratos
3) Group B = Lancia 037
4) Paris-Dakar = Peugeot 405
5) Post Group B = Lancia Delta HF (Deltona)
6) WRC = Peugeot 205

D2LTA
06-01-2005, 06:14 AM
There can be only one.........

Ferrer
06-01-2005, 06:45 AM
I think it has to be the Stratos, but I have a soft spot for rally 911's...

jorismo
06-01-2005, 07:08 AM
I only vote for:

Paris-Dakar: De Rooy Logistics DAF 95XF
WRC: Peugeot 307 WRC

Vaigra
06-02-2005, 04:23 PM
Audi Quattro.
small "q" ;)
Audi quattro :D

Matra et Alpine
06-02-2005, 05:01 PM
small "q" ;)
Audi quattro :D
A bit of revisionist history going on :)

The Audi's were homologated as Audi Quattro.

The small 'q' is a recent rebranding exercise.
one that I see extends to Audi's own history pages on line.

BUT refer back to their own AudiSport Worldl of rallying books from the Group B era and the car is Quattro :)

So modern quattros are lower case BUT the Group B and earlier rally cars were DEFINATELY Quattro !!!