My Milieage Monster: Golf TDI [Archive] - Ultimatecarpage.com forums

Roy Visser

12-22-2004, 09:25 AM

Hello all, every once and a while when i get the time, im strawling around these forums for information and looking at cars. I've always been a big fan of showing each others cars and give each other compliments. So here is my current car aswell!

She's a 1997 Volkswagen Golf TDi which meansthe car standard has:
81 kW (110 bhp) @ 4150tpm
235 Nm @ 1900tpm

not bad for a diesel!

this is how i bought her about 9 months agoo, the only thing i changed before these pics is the front lip spoiler. I changed it for the bigger Vr6 lip, which looks very nice!

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/751224c.jpg
http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/751224d.jpg

Being me, i need to have some nice sounds in the car, so i dumped in my stereo system:
Headunit Kenwood KD-9021SE
Front Kenwood 5 1/4" speakers
Rear Rockford Fosgate 6*9 FRC3369
Subwoofer Rockford Fosgate Punch He2 12"
Amplifier Rockford Fosgate Punch 200.2

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/751227b.jpg

Second step: OMG MY VW BADGE FELL OFF!

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/751227c.jpg

Roy Visser

12-22-2004, 09:25 AM

Third Step: Aah she sees alot better now!

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/751227d.jpg

Fourth Step: For those of you who didnt read it before, yes it says TDI on the engine! She got a brand new Chip here, new performance stats: 140bhp and over 300nm!! Which gives it a very fast 100kmh to 180kmh sprint. New topspeed, 225kmh on the Clock.
http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/751230a.jpg

Fourth Step pt2: Ohoh, she fell through her shocks! Front: 85mm lower, back 75mm lower

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/751230b.jpg

Notice the difference with the first picture!

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/751230c.jpg

Fifth Step: I got a bit bored with my rearwindow whiper, rearspoiler, and all the badges, so what the hell, ill just take them off! (later this year a bodyworker will clean the tail completly for me)

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/751230d.jpg

Roy Visser

12-22-2004, 09:26 AM

And this is just a nice picture, for the people who know me, they might remember the spot ;)

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/751231d.jpg

the only thing changed since then, chrystal clear side indicators

For my next year plans:

-Chrystal Clear Red/White Tails
-Remove Indicators in front bumper, make it smooootth
-Cleaning up the rear
-Porsche Teledial rims
-get rid of the Wheelarches (is that the correct word? i mean the black around my wheels)
-And some suspension modifications

for people not familiar with porsche Teledials:
http://www.freetechnics.fi/kuvat/teledial.jpg

Cotterik

12-22-2004, 09:56 AM

nice! tht golfs really clean. Not too keen on the black bumpers myself.

do u have any interior pics?

Quiggs

12-22-2004, 10:02 AM

I'm in love. :) Lucky you with the Euro bumpers stock. I'm going to end up spending close to $2000 to get them, plus the rebar and rad support, plus paint. Gorgeous car.

I miss your 'Rado though...

henk4

12-22-2004, 10:02 AM

and then the 1 million dollar question: What IS your mileage still over 40? (mpg)

Roy Visser

12-22-2004, 10:02 AM

nice! tht golfs really clean. Not too keen on the black bumpers myself.

do u have any interior pics?

yeah thats one of the things i want changed too, and i dont have any interior pics yet, ill make them when i got a little bit more to show. All i got now is a standard GT interior :)

Quiggs

12-22-2004, 10:10 AM

Roy Visser

12-22-2004, 10:11 AM

and then the 1 million dollar question: What IS your mileage still over 40? (mpg)

You mean after the chiptuning? or just in any condition? Because the mpg's became even better after the chiptuning (driving normally ofcourse, i've had my fast days, i occasionally push the pedal a little bit further, but thats just to see the reaction off people behind me in a big black cloud :) )
with the winter time, my consumption has gone up a bit, but i still easily manage 19kms on a liter, which is almost 54mpg if you are living in the Uk, or about 45mpg if you live in america. And thats with about 60km a day, and some shorter runs, supermarket etc.

i am very surprised about how fuel efficient the car actually is!

Roy Visser

12-22-2004, 10:15 AM

Are you going to go NA spec on the bumpers or just sand down the textured part? I know we want the European stuff over here, and you guys want the North American stuff there. We should all get together and trade.

(The main visible difference for those wondering is the NA front bumpers have cutouts on the side for a sidemarker light, and the rear bumper for NA is a little higher cut with a different rear valence.

Hehe, yeah its always the part you cant get which you want ;) I dont like the look of the NA rearbumper though. Im just gonna go for sanding it all down, and fill in the indicator slots with some fibre. (look at the pic for how i would really like the front bumper to turn out)

BTW where are you getting your bumpers from?

if you know what shipment prices cost from holland to your place, i might be able to shave alot of money of that price and help you out!

and please dont mention the corrado, it's still a very sore subject ;)

Roy Visser

12-22-2004, 10:16 AM

oops, forgot to add the photo.

btw if i can get my hands on those mercedes rims, i might get me a pair of those!

Quiggs

12-22-2004, 10:21 AM

BTW where are you getting your bumpers from?

if you know what shipment prices cost from holland to your place, i might be able to shave alot of money of that price and help you out!

There's a lot of places that sell them here. I can probably get them both for $700 to my door. But the painting and other parts to make them fit are going to kill me. That's a while down the road though. I want my VR6 swap first. :rolleyes: Why am I addicted to horsepower?

Rockefella

12-22-2004, 10:21 AM

oops, forgot to add the photo.

btw if i can get my hands on those mercedes rims, i might get me a pair of those!
nice car, but dont go for the merc. rims, look too flashy on the car. :)

Roy Visser

12-22-2004, 10:32 AM

There's a lot of places that sell them here. I can probably get them both for $700 to my door. But the painting and other parts to make them fit are going to kill me. That's a while down the road though. I want my VR6 swap first. :rolleyes: Why am I addicted to horsepower?

Horsepower addiction? That comes with being on Vortex too much :)

henk4

12-22-2004, 10:39 AM

You mean after the chiptuning? or just in any condition? Because the mpg's became even better after the chiptuning
i am very surprised about how fuel efficient the car actually is!

I had the same experience after the readjustment of the engine management. Probably you get more power with the same amount of throttle, so you don't need to push so hard.

McReis

12-22-2004, 10:58 AM

PerfAdv

12-22-2004, 12:10 PM

Nice car but be careful not to change the trendy acceptability of the Golf for a ricey eyesore. So far so good, maybe lowered a little too much. Careful with the wheel choice, It'll definitely make the car label-able as ricey or nice.

Quiggs

12-22-2004, 12:16 PM

Taking out the glass cleaner for a question of style is one of those things that shoul be punished by law...

won't even talk about the exagerated lowering.
It was originally very beautifull and I love the headlamps.

Mercedes wheels on it? ****** ugly!! You are ricing it slowly...

:rolleyes: http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif

This is one of the cleanest tuning styles out there. Lowered cars are ricey? Tell AMG that. Tell Brabus that. Shaved wipers and debadging are ricey? It cleans up the lines of the car.

THIS IS RICEY... Stock automatic 2.0L Jetta with nitrous... Ill-fitting wheels, no drop, tasteless Wings West kit, and more stickers than Jeff Gordon's Monte Carlo...

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aurore.boreale/PHOTOS/F_AND_F/fast_and_furious_jetta.jpg

Edit: added pic of Mk3 Jetta w/ phonedials... Hottness.

Roy Visser

12-22-2004, 12:18 PM

for the people wondering what i want the car to look like, i did a quick photoshop:

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/751640c.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/751640d.jpg

imagine the hatch with these rearlights:
http://www.nlpower.com/images/image.php?934.jpg

depending on my cashflow, ill respray the bumpers to the car color, but thats about it.

McReis, could you define Rice to me?

Edit: added pic of Mk3 Jetta w/ phonedials... Hottness.
right click, save as: hotjetta-1.jpg

Spastik_Roach

12-22-2004, 01:53 PM

Very nicely done Golf. Altho personaly I don't like the look of the Teledials on it. But the Merc rims look lurrvely on Mk3s!

Lagonda

01-01-2005, 04:28 AM

Rice.

One question tough: to all those people with soundsystems in the boot: What happens if you want to carry something big in your car ? Your boot is all gone.

The Golf together with the Seat Ibiza are statistically the most riced out cars here :D .

No hard feelings but you ruined the car.

clutch-monkey

01-01-2005, 04:32 AM

with speakers that big its no longer music, all you can make out is the bass

Spastik_Roach

01-01-2005, 04:37 AM

This car is NOT rice.

It doesn't have any things that make it look like a wannabe car.

Its a honest enough car. Its got some tasteful mods in terms of looks to it. Perfectly fine having a stereo system. Hes obviously thought about what he needs to do if hes carrying big stuff. Sometimes subs and stuff can come out, like in Quiggs VW.

Spastik_Roach

01-01-2005, 04:41 AM

I think alot of people on this website are far too strict when it comes to car tuning. I think some of you guys should take a look at the VW Vortex forums.

clutch-monkey

01-01-2005, 04:45 AM

i don't mind tuning. i just don't really see the point of massive speakers (the road noise can't be that bad)

Spastik_Roach

01-01-2005, 04:52 AM

If you read, you could see its actually a very small system.

Headunit Kenwood KD-9021SE
Front Kenwood 5 1/4" speakers
Rear Rockford Fosgate 6*9 FRC3369
Subwoofer Rockford Fosgate Punch He2 12"
Amplifier Rockford Fosgate Punch 200.2

Just all the basic stuff, a sub, amp, 4 speakers and a head unit. Nothing wrong with that.

clutch-monkey

01-01-2005, 04:53 AM

i was speaking generally, not in direct reference to his system

Lagonda

01-01-2005, 10:32 AM

Al this added plastic doesn't "tune" the car, the only tuning that exists for me is engine and suspension (not just lowering, that's not tuning) tuning. Adding bits of plastic and removing badges isn't tuning. And it's just plain ugly (IMO, if you like it good for you). And in a lot of cases even detune the car since they kill aerodynamics and add weight.

PS: those Mercedes and "Dial" wheels are rice, they don't fit the car, they never will.

Maybe it's the image of the average driver of this kind of cars that's a problem to me.

Quiggs

01-01-2005, 06:20 PM

For some, there's more to a car than performance. I'd rather drive something I'm proud of the looks and everyday feel, than something that'll run a quarter mile in 11 seconds. There's only so much power you can use on the street. So what's the point of going past that?

As for the wheel choices... I'm not really a fan of the MB monoblocks. It takes a very 'Euro' style (which his car naturally has, being European) to pull off correctly. But the P-dials are a nicer option for the style he's taking his car with.

Lagonda, just out of curiosity, what kind of wheels would you like to see on a Mk3 Golf?

Spastik_Roach

01-02-2005, 01:50 AM

PS: those Mercedes and "Dial" wheels are rice, they don't fit the car, they never will.

Just because thats your opinion doesn't make the car rice at all. Your reasoning is very much flawed.

fpv_gtho

01-02-2005, 02:28 AM

Im not a fan of the rims either, i prefer nice clean, 5 spoke designs, nothing too fancy

Roy Visser

01-02-2005, 05:17 AM

with speakers that big its no longer music, all you can make out is the bass

Dude just because theres a subwoofer in the car with alot of power, doesnt mean i crank it up all the way. You wanna know what i listen to in my car? I've got about 5 CD's with Greatest hits of the 70/80's, and all in mp3 format, thats over 750 songs! With my current system, its perfect for the music, and i could easily participate in Sound Quality Contests! (thats quality not dB!)

And it only takes unplugging of the amp, and i can take the whole thing out of the boot (even got a handle on it which you cant see in the pics), its not screwed or attached in any way. It just rests on foam, and the foam on the side (which i clothed with nice fabric) makes it sit nice and thight in the boot..

Spastik_Roach

01-02-2005, 02:59 PM

Dude just because theres a subwoofer in the car with alot of power, doesnt mean i crank it up all the way. You wanna know what i listen to in my car? I've got about 5 CD's with Greatest hits of the 70/80's, and all in mp3 format, thats over 750 songs! With my current system, its perfect for the music, and i could easily participate in Sound Quality Contests! (thats quality not dB!)

And it only takes unplugging of the amp, and i can take the whole thing out of the boot (even got a handle on it which you cant see in the pics), its not screwed or attached in any way. It just rests on foam, and the foam on the side (which i clothed with nice fabric) makes it sit nice and thight in the boot..

I rest my case.

clutch-monkey

01-02-2005, 05:11 PM

Lagonda

01-03-2005, 08:05 AM

Lagonda, just out of curiosity, what kind of wheels would you like to see on a Mk3 Golf?
Preferably original VW rims, not aftermarket stuff. I hate aftermarket wheels since they don't fit the car 9 out of 10. Maximum 16", anything bigger looks disproportianate (sp?) and takes away tooo much comfort and driveability since the suspension wasn't designed for big wheels. And let's not talk about chrome.

PoRsChEnUt. Cool music, but sound quality and cars do not go hand in hand, car interiors are awefull acoustically.

Roy Visser

01-04-2005, 12:22 PM

PoRsChEnUt. Cool music, but sound quality and cars do not go hand in hand, car interiors are awefull acoustically.

Depends on how you set it up, i filled my doors and rearhatch with special foam to keep the tones in the car. And a mate of mine (who regularly wins SQS Sound Quality drags) setup the speakers under the correct angle so all music comes to the people in the front.

Roy Visser

01-05-2005, 08:02 AM

latest additions

Clear front indicators and fogs
Eyelids
Clear Red/White taillights

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/782196c.jpg
http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/782196d.jpg

McReis

01-05-2005, 09:57 AM

OOOOHHH I smell rice... :D

Roy Visser

01-05-2005, 10:58 AM

OOOOHHH I smell rice... :D

define Rice once again.

here are some reactions of VWvortex on the latest additions:

"simple and clean... i love it"

"Love the new mods, dude. Beautiful car indeed."

"You have a lovely car "

"the car looks nice and clean"

"nice and clean style, love it!"

for you non believers:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1762979

henk4

01-05-2005, 11:04 AM

McReis

01-05-2005, 11:49 AM

define Rice once again.

here are some reactions of VWvortex on the latest additions:

Porschenut: I've allready had a big discussion with two members about this issue that ended well. For me a car that is so modified that gets on the flashy/useless side, mean rice. For me, rice is an add that doesn't get the car better. For example: the exagerated lowering of your suspension gives nothing more than a stiffer drive and dangerous handling in the wet or in bad surfaces. What have you gain? Looks? I guess it's too low to be beautiful. Waht about those plastic things over the headlamps? What's the point? I can't see one. But I accept someone likes it. I'm just desagreeing with fairplay. I want nothing more than play with you guys. I hate "tuning" the looks of a car no matter what guys at VWortex say. But that's just me. I see your happy with your mods and it's kind of an hobby. I'm glad it gives you joy and pride.
Just please, don't take me too serious. ;)

McReis

01-05-2005, 11:53 AM

compared to other VW products currently running around in this country, this one looks rather civilised. Everything is relative. Behind my house is a black Corrado, fitted with 18" rims and 215/35 tyres just to give an example.

About a year ago, I've seen a black Corrado lowered and with 18" rims. The guy stopped at traffic behind a bus that was leaving passengers. To go round it needed to steer just a bit. Stil, the rubber touched the wheelarches in the manouevre! :D:D:D

Roy Visser

01-05-2005, 12:22 PM

For example: the exagerated lowering of your suspension gives nothing more than a stiffer drive and dangerous handling in the wet or in bad surfaces.

my suspension arms are horizontal with the floor, this is the point where your handling is the best ;)

Roy Visser

01-05-2005, 12:25 PM

About a year ago, I've seen a black Corrado lowered and with 18" rims. The guy stopped at traffic behind a bus that was leaving passengers. To go round it needed to steer just a bit. Stil, the rubber touched the wheelarches in the manouevre! :D:D:D

ohoh i wonder what you got to say about my previous car :D

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/776729d.jpg

McReis

01-05-2005, 12:26 PM

my suspension arms are horizontal with the floor, this is the point where your handling is the best ;)

That may be true in a perfect world. Try to hit a bump at mid-corner going fast...

McReis

01-05-2005, 12:27 PM

ohoh i wonder what you got to say about my previous car :D

I've got nothing to say about it, except if the tires scrub the wheelarches too. :D:D:D

Spastik_Roach

01-05-2005, 07:45 PM

Your defiintions are far to strict. Are you saying if you put any modification (Visual) AT ALL it makes it ricey?

Thats a load of shit.

Spastik_Roach

01-05-2005, 07:48 PM

I know you said to dont' take you seriously but i'm saying if you think thats rice I think something is very wrong with you.

McReis

01-06-2005, 03:39 AM

I know you said to dont' take you seriously but i'm saying if you think thats rice I think something is very wrong with you.

And why not with you? And why are more afected than the owner of the car? Sorry, but I won't bother arguing this with you. He understood what I meant. Plastic hads with no purpose or that obviously don't look like they could be a real part of the car, are useless things from my point of view.
Lowering a car to extremes is a senseless dangerous and car destructing act.
That's it.

Roy Visser

01-06-2005, 05:39 AM

Lowering a car to extremes is a senseless dangerous and car destructing act.
That's it.

I've studied Car Engeneering on a very high level, suspensions is my "thing"
basicly, i know what i've done, and the sways and Damping and height has all been based on my own calculations. Believe me, it will take bumps allot easier then you might think.

McReis

01-06-2005, 08:36 AM

I've studied Car Engeneering on a very high level, suspensions is my "thing"
basicly, i know what i've done, and the sways and Damping and height has all been based on my own calculations. Believe me, it will take bumps allot easier then you might think.

Yes. In that case I have to hand the words to you. Anyway, it sure requests more attention than in standard settings, no?
I wouldn't like to have a car that lowered.
Near where I live, there are some more 206, all of them extremely lowered. Some are 1.6 GTI's. Mine is standard and has the front weight of the 2.0 turbodiesel engine. I usually like to keep close to them when approching corners and see how they go. Usually I have to slow down at mid-corner, because those extreme mods made their cars close to undriveable. They jump and understeer like hell. So I'm glad to know that, at least, you know what you're doing. ;)