African cars...

[Fluppe]

Why aren't there any african or arabian cars on this site :D would be funny... Not?

[CdocZ]

hardly any good ones really......laraki i guess, thats actually a very cool car. if you count israel as one of those, isnt mazel israeli?

[deffenbaugh03]

I always thought they didn't make any, what manufacturers are there?

[CdocZ]

laraki is.....forget exactly what country, definitly african. madagascar? mazel might be israeli, never heard of any other companies that actually produce something of relative quality or desireability other then those 2.....(never even heard of any others to begin with)

[deffenbaugh03]

laraki is from morocco according to the ucp database, which is a company i've heard of.

[CdocZ]

how is mazel not in ucp's database? at geneva it had a rather nice sized portion of the floor

[Mustang]

it might be in the ofline database

[cmcpokey]

what about the superformance cars.. i know they are made in south africa, but i dont knwo where they are HQ'd. and yeah that are essentially copies of cars, but they are slightly different than the originals, and caterham is on here too....

[CdocZ]

wait.......cmc.......caterham is african?!?!?!?! what?!

[baddabang]

it might be in the ofline database

Whats the offline database?

[:Exige:]

Caterham is British .. Caterham also own the design meaning that they are not replicas .. they are to be replicated. Unlike Dax, Locust, Westfield etc.

[CdocZ]

knew caterham couldnt be african or what.....

[Coventrysucks]

Quite a few bits for Noble are built in South Africa

[Niko_Fx]

Why aren't there any african or arabian cars on this site :D would be funny... Not?

Morocco and South Africa are listed on the site.

[QuattroMan]

Why aren't there any african or arabian cars on this site :D would be funny... Not?

Unfortunately my camel over heated and died on the free way and ever scene that day, I don't like to buy African cars.... :( :D

[cmcpokey]

knew caterham couldnt be african or what.....
i knew caterhams werent african, i just meant replicars. and while they do own the rights to the 7, i still think of it as a replica, or more like an evolution. and the superformance car has some slightly different proportions and shapes than the original too. so i would classify them together.

[CHEESE-TACULAR]

there's actually an egyptian car company that builds cars around fiat chassis and engine layouts. the cars arent too bad...untill you get to the styling which couldn't be any blander. roughly translated the name is pronounced Nissr

[PsychoChimp22]

Well I know that Noble is south african, so yes there is african cars and no, its not that funny.

[Misho]

if you count israel as one of those, isnt mazel israeli?

no, you cant count it as one of those.

most of the african/middle eastern car industry is based on foreign car makers making use of the cheap costs and opening factories in the region. Any thing from Dacias and Lada to Mercedes and BMW can be found produced there. Usually with about 10-20% of the components being locally manufactures. Things like the chairs, mirrors, switches . . . all non technical ofcourse.

no, i dont think its funny.

[henk4]

Iran has a sort of car industry, I recently saw a Proton like small car in Kazakhstan. Forgot the name. They used to produce a Hillman Hunter derivative. They also built RWD Peugeot 405's
BMW used to produce cars in South Africa, and may be GM also has a facility there.
Old Peugeots 505's are produced in Nigeria, there were quite a few around.
Turkey has a sort of industry, which has poured out old fiat 131's as the Dogan, a very popular taxi.

These areas of the world will not develop a sustainable industry. 95% of the people have no money to buy a car, and the 5 or even less% wealthy will show off by buying a prestigous european/Japanese or US car. These people don't want to be seen in a locally built car.

[Coventrysucks]

Well I know that Noble is south african

Noble cars of 16 Moat Way Industrial Estate, Barwell, Leicestershire LE9 8EY?

Unless Leicestershire has moved slightly due to plate tectonics it isn't in Africa

[dydzi]

Noble cars of 16 Moat Way Industrial Estate, Barwell, Leicestershire LE9 8EY?

Unless Leicestershire has moved slightly due to plate tectonics it isn't in Africa

well, nobles are assembled in south africa

laraki is from casablanca

mazel is from spain from albrera, barcelona

from south africa:

dart (cobra replica and hayden dart), nvubu (6-wheeler)
theres also one quaife-like sportscar, named EBM Tazio
there used to be manufacturer shaka, they made cool roadsters

in libya there is produced el saroukh limousine based on leganza

[Coventrysucks]

They are assembled by Hi Tech Automotive in South Africa, due to the cheap labour, before being shipped to the UK to have the engines fitted.

They aren't an African company.

[Misho]

These areas of the world will not develop a sustainable industry. .

and how do u know that ?!! :)

[CdocZ]

question: does anyone know where mazel is from? its a company, not too big. anyone know?

[CdocZ]

no, you cant count it as one of those.

most of the african/middle eastern car industry is based on foreign car makers making use of the cheap costs and opening factories in the region. Any thing from Dacias and Lada to Mercedes and BMW can be found produced there. Usually with about 10-20% of the components being locally manufactures. Things like the chairs, mirrors, switches . . . all non technical ofcourse.

no, i dont think its funny.
no, i meant if israel is arabian or african (its disputed what continent its on, europe, africa or asia) and to fit on this thread, i just put that in so it wouldnt seem out of place

[henk4]

and how do u know that ?!! :)

did you stop reading after the line you quoted? :D

[dydzi]

question: does anyone know where mazel is from? its a company, not too big. anyone know?


mazel ingenieros, avda de con amat - nowe 4
poligonos barcelones, 08630 Albrera (Barcelona), Spain

thats what i know

i found their website:

http://www.mazel-ingenieros.com/Infoweb/webmazel/NUEVA_WEB_MAZEL_Ingles/principal5_NEWLOOK.htm#

[CdocZ]

spanish? oh. i saw them at geneva, but nothing at all about them. no stats, no country, nothing

[Misho]

did you stop reading after the line you quoted? :D

Well, there was s full stop i beleive !! Plus, what you described is applicable to the current situation but how do u know it wont change !?! :)



And, CdocZ, i have never heard about Israel being mentioned as belonging to the African continent. i knoe its sort of disputed weather its really asian or european, this has to be the first time i heard african though.
plus, they dont speak arabic so they are also not arabian and thus they are out of place in this thread !! ;) But no, i wont turn this into the new version of the politics thread, so i guess its ok to discuss Israel's car market here if u want.

[CdocZ]

most of the israeli population is of arabic descent.

[ZeTurbo]

most of the israeli population is of arabic descent.
here we go... lets pleaaaaze not make this thread into a political thread!


so there are a lot of manufactures from africa... i had no idea, guess you learn every day...

[CdocZ]

i wont. i was just bringing up a true fact. i dont want to go into politics either, cause my view goes against most people's in the world, and im very for it, but its not worth the verbal thrashing id take.

[Misho]

I am always ready for a revival of the politics thread !! I would like to discuss your different views. And yes, many Israeils are of arabic decent.


And as far as that Egyptian car company mentioned earlier, its actually pronounced Nasr and not Nisr. Not that anyone here would remember or care, just thought its better to correct it. :)

[CdocZ]

no, no politics. at least not on an open thread. if you want to discuss, pm me or something.

[NAZCA C2]

Superformance is from South Africa. They make replicas of the Shelby Cobra and Daytona Coupe.

[QuattroMan]

no, no politics. at least not on an open thread. if you want to discuss, pm me or something.
Hey bro be careful if you talk sh@t about Israeli, they'll bomb you, :D

[CdocZ]

talk like that about israel? thats exactly what i plan on not doing, im jewish and im very pro israeli. thing is, practically every male american i know outside of my school is very anit-israeli anti semite craps. israel f'ing owns! but no more politics, this thread is for african cars, lol

[QuattroMan]

talk like that about israel? thats exactly what i plan on not doing, im jewish and im very pro israeli. thing is, practically every male american i know outside of my school is very anit-israeli anti semite craps. israel f'ing owns! but no more politics, this thread is for african cars, lol

it was just a joke bro i'm 100% Christian noting against any one, as long as your not a TURK..... :D

[CdocZ]

lol, thats good. but a HELL of alot of people are stereotypical bastards. i try to avoid them (for good reason :p)

[Lagonda]

it was just a joke bro i'm 100% Chisrtion noting against any one, as long as
your not a TURK..... :D


Did you mean: Christian

Your search - Chisrtion - did not match any documents.
No pages were found containing "chisrtion".

And you just contradicted yourself.

[Rockefella]

it was just a joke bro i'm 100% Chisrtion noting against any one, as long as
your not a TURK..... :D
siopa. or is it syopa? :D

[QuattroMan]

And you just contradicted yourself.


OPPPPSSSS!!!! and yes if your turk :)

[thebigfatgeek]

You may want to have a look at Hitech Automotive, they manufacture stunning cars, including the Noble bodies for the UK manufacturer. They trade in the US as Superformance at Superformance Complete Replicars (http://www.superformance.com).

Have a look at their GT40 which is an almost exact, metal bodied replica which has the right to the GT40 brand, as well as being allowed to continue the chassis list of the original (133?) built. Photos of SFR GT40 (http://performanceunlimited.com/supernews/gt-40/)

Do not be so condescending towards Africa, your ignorance shows

[Matra et Alpine]

Do not be so condescending towards Africa, your ignorance shows
Welcome to UCP.
It's worth reading through an old thread compeltely before responding as 3 YEARS ago the Superperformance-Noble link was clarified :)

[Ivo Malz]

The NSU Prinz was sold to Egypt where they gave it a bodywork makeover and sold it unter the Ramses moniker. Not too successfully, as I'd like to add.

Marc's NSU Car Pages: NSU Ramses (http://www.geocities.com/mdbois/ramses.html)

[ulimator]

#1 - One-off Banshee made by Tertius Van Zyl in South Africa link: Banshee (http://www.minimarcos.org.uk/altpics/banshee.html)
#2 - #6 - EBM Tazio (South Africa)

[ulimator]

#1 - 1965 GSM Flamingo 1700
#2 - 1962 GSM Dart 1500

GSM was made in South Africa

#3 - Karenjy Mazana (Madagascar)

1985 – 1988 Karenjy, Tananarive
This Madagascan company presented the Mazana off-roader in 1985. It used a 2068cc Renault diesel engine and 4x4 transmission with a 5-speed gearbox. The Iraka was a second model, resembling a Volkswagen Beetle in appearance. It used a 1397cc Renault petrol engine and had only two driven wheels. The project manager, Rabearivelo Andriamalagasy, planned to make 500 cars per year and sell complete production lines to the other African nations but this plan was apparently nit fruitful. Neither was a new Citroen BX diesel-based model called Tily, which in 1987 was under development in collaboration with the French company Tejlhol.
source: Beaulieu Encyclopedia Of The Automobile, page 813

NO PICTURE :( Marauder (South Africa)

An early 1970s basic sports car (i.e. in the Lotus 7 idiom) which was built on a space frame and used Ford Escort Mk 1 / 2 running gear.

source: A to Z of Sports Cars 1945 - 1990, page 198

#4 - Nvubu (South Africa)

#5 & #6 - Performance (Cobra replica with BMW 3-series compnents) (South Africa)

[ulimator]

#1 - 1956 Phoenix 2SR6 (Egypt)
#2 - Rambo Spark (Egypt)

"In 1999 the company (Electro Metalic For Lighting Co.) demonstrated the prototype of an electric car, christened Spark. The electric, open, 2-seat Rambo went into production in 2000. With a 120-km range, this small vehicle develops a top speed of 40 km/h."

#3 & #4- NSU Ramses Utilica (Egypt)

Ranger (South Africa)

"The Ranger was a General Motors car brand that lasted from 1968 to 1976. The brand was used in conjunction with two markets, an automobile marketed as "South Africa's Own Car", built in Port Elizabeth from 1968 to 1973, and another model range that was produced from 1970 to 1976 in Antwerp, Belgium, by General Motors Continental SA.

The cars built in this period were a mixture of parts from other General Motors products and featured a body shell similar to the Opel Rekord with internal parts from various large Vauxhalls and Holdens. However, as the second generation cars became too similar to the models marketed by Chevrolet in South Africa and Opel in Europe, it was decided that this kind of brand was irrelevant and so the marque was discontinued." by Wikipedia

#5 - Rotrax

"The original Rotrax was a British kit-car based on the humble Ford Cortina (Taunus outside the UK). The South African company was established in 1990 and currently they offer the El Macho which is a high-mobility, super-lightweight patrol vehicle featuring long-range capabilities in excess of 2,000km (diesel) and 1,300km (petrol). Based on a tube space frame chassis with integral role cage, the 2 or 4 seater patrol vehicle can be cladded with either aluminium, mild or armour steel depending on requirement and need."

#6 - Saroukh el-Jamahiriya (Libyan Rocket) (Libya)

BBC News | Middle East | Gaddafi invents 'rocket car' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/440161.stm)

[ulimator]

#2 - Birkin (Lotus 7 replica) (South Africa)
#3 - CAV (South AFrican replica of Ford GT 40)
#4 - Harper (South Africa) home (http://www.harpersportscars.com)
Laraki (well known I suppose) www.laraki-automobiles.com
#5 - 2-seater in style of the 30s from Morocco www.automobiles-menara.com (http://www.automobiles-menara.com)
#6 - 2008 Optimal Energy Joule that was presented at Paris Mondial de l'Automobile Optimal Energy - Home (http://www.optimalenergy.co.za)

[ulimator]

#1 - Puma (probably it is continuation of Brazilian Puma, I need more info..)
Puma Sports Cars - Welcome (http://www.pumacars.co.za)

#2 - Shaka Nynya (South Africa) Shaka High Performance Cars (http://www.shakacars.com)

Well-known Superformance (South Africa) Superformance Complete Replicars (http://www.superformance.com)

#3 - Uri (Namibia) www.uri.com.na

A pair of South African kitcar manufacturers:
Venomcars.co.za - car sales Resources and Information. (http://www.venomcars.co.za)
VOLKSPARES - Perfect Parts Solution (http://www.volkspares.co.za)

That is all I have! I hope You'll enjoy! :)

[ulimator]

Tha last one: It is Frem F1 concept from Lebanon that is set to make its worldwide premiere at NAIAS 2009..

[faksta]

Ranger (South Africa)

"The Ranger was a General Motors car brand that lasted from 1968 to 1976. The brand was used in conjunction with two markets, an automobile marketed as "South Africa's Own Car", built in Port Elizabeth from 1968 to 1973, and another model range that was produced from 1970 to 1976 in Antwerp, Belgium, by General Motors Continental SA.

The cars built in this period were a mixture of parts from other General Motors products and featured a body shell similar to the Opel Rekord with internal parts from various large Vauxhalls and Holdens. However, as the second generation cars became too similar to the models marketed by Chevrolet in South Africa and Opel in Europe, it was decided that this kind of brand was irrelevant and so the marque was discontinued." by Wikipedia

The only Ranger picture I have. Have to say, it's a rather good looking car.

[ulimator]

The only Ranger picture I have. Have to say, it's a rather good looking car.

Thank You! :)

[Beavis]

hi, I'm looking or some info on the South African Marauder 7. It looks lke a Lotus 7.
[email protected]

[mahleu]

1st South African sports car was the GRP Protea

Followed shortly after by the GSM Dart (Delta in UK) and Flamingo Coupe.

More recently there is the Perana Z-One (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/03/geneva-2009-zagatos-perana-z-one-is-desire-in-motion/) resurrecting the name from the modified Perana Fords of Basil Green (V8 Capri's etc).

Some very famous designers have come from South Africa as well like Gordan Murray and Pierre Terblanche

There was also the Alfa engined Assagai (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/612/Assegai-Alfa-Romeo.html)

[mahleu]

There is another one called the Bullitt The Bullitt Photos and Information (http://moby302.co.za/photo/the_bullitt.html)
Looks a bit like a Mustang.


hi, I'm looking or some info on the South African Marauder 7. It looks lke a Lotus 7.
[email protected]

Designed by Derek Nightingale (made about 110), since replaced by the 'Mavrik' which is also a 7 look-a-like.

[cmcpokey]

There is another one called the Bullitt The Bullitt Photos and Information (http://moby302.co.za/photo/the_bullitt.html)
Looks a bit like a Mustang.

thats very interesting. i have heard of the single make series in SA before, but didnt realize they were using mustang silhouette cars. they look very nice.

[TAZIO]

#1 - One-off Banshee made by Tertius Van Zyl in South Africa link: Banshee (http://www.minimarcos.org.uk/altpics/banshee.html)
#2 - #6 - EBM Tazio (South Africa)

EBM also produced the Manx and Mangusta which were modern variations on the Lotus 7 concept of minimalism but with mid engine and independent suspension etc. Some 80 units were produced before the Tazio which used mainly blueprinted Chev 5 5.7 l v8 end Audi transaxles. A few were built with othe engines such as the 4.5l all ally Ford with Vortex blower and BMW V8.
Some EBM Tazio's in the UK heve been re-badged as Bugattis.

[faksta]

Saroukh el-Jamahiriya is seriously considered to be put into production. This prototype has been developed by Italian Tesco TS, which took part in Murcielago development. 5,5 meters, 1,8 tons, 230hp V6 and promised 7 sec for 0-100 km/h.

[csl177]

Saroukh el-Jamahiriya is seriously considered to be put into production. This prototype has been developed by Italian Tesco TS, which took part in Murcielago development. 5,5 meters, 1,8 tons, 230hp V6 and promised 7 sec for 0-100 km/h.

Aside from basic information it seems every media outlet covering this car spends most copy deriding it's supposed designer, Muammar Gaddafi. It's supposed to be a "safety car" but it's not clear what new features it has to make it safer. Naturally, grand pronouncements such as the one below are fresh fish for western media outlets to gut. The car itself looks different, anyway.

"The invention of the safest car in the world is proof that the Libyan revolution is built on the happiness of man."

[Tati25]

The African cars I know are Volskwagen models porduced in South Africa, like the Citigolf and the CitiSport version. They were very popular there, I don't know if they were sold worldwide. The GSM closed in the 60s, I think, so those cars are classics now... Loved the photos!

[Ferrer]

The African cars I know are Volskwagen models porduced in South Africa, like the Citigolf and the CitiSport version. They were very popular there, I don't know if they were sold worldwide. The GSM closed in the 60s, I think, so those cars are classics now... Loved the photos!
They were. They are basically the Mk I Golf.

[mahleu]

Found this African cars. (http://aada-african-car.blogspot.com/)

[G35COUPE]

Why aren't there any african or arabian cars on this site :D would be funny... Not?

There are no real African cars because most of the African people are most likely going to be solely focused on meeting the first level of needs as described by Abraham Maslow in his Hierarchy of Needs (Physiological needs). A hungry man could not logically be expected to think about designing a powerful car, right?

[mahleu]

There are no real African cars because most of the African people are most likely going to be solely focused on meeting the first level of needs as described by Abraham Maslow in his Hierarchy of Needs (Physiological needs). A hungry man could not logically be expected to think about designing a powerful car, right?

!

Whilst your acceptance of the "African" stereotype is touching, the past 5 pages include some very powerful cars and a large percentage of Africans are not hungry.

[G35COUPE]

!

Whilst your acceptance of the "African" stereotype is touching, the past 5 pages include some very powerful cars and a large percentage of Africans are not hungry.


I didn't say Africans are hungry. The hunger comment was just a figure of speech. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Africa are generally caught somehwere on the lowest rung of Maslow's Need Theory (physiological needs). And if the African cars you mentioned really exist, how come they don't seem to be evident or seen in countries like Nigeria and Ghana, where european made cars flood the landscape??????

[mahleu]

I didn't say Africans are hungry. The hunger comment was just a figure of speech. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Africa are generally caught somehwere on the lowest rung of Maslow's Need Theory (physiological needs). And if the African cars you mentioned really exist, how come they don't seem to be evident or seen in countries like Nigeria and Ghana, where european made cars flood the landscape??????

In a word: cost. Nigeria, Ghana and the rest of Africa is flooded with Japanese cars which are cheaper than any locally made effort. Thus most of the cars produced in Africa are specialist or low production models.

[EBM Tazio]

EBM also produced the Manx and Mangusta which were modern variations on the Lotus 7 concept of minimalism but with mid engine and independent suspension etc. Some 80 units were produced before the Tazio which used mainly blueprinted Chev 5 5.7 l v8 end Audi transaxles. A few were built with othe engines such as the 4.5l all ally Ford with Vortex blower and BMW V8.
Some EBM Tazio's in the UK heve been re-badged as Bugattis.

Hi,

I am the owner of one of the EBM Tazio roadsters. It has the original 5.7ltr V8. It is not complete and has been a sideline project of mine. There are some miner modifications done to the bodywork.

I am looking for more information and serious buyers for the car.

I am based in Cape Town, South Africa and my email address is panebianco.m(AT)gmail.com.

Kind regards
Mario Panebianco

[john14]

I believe my father's 2006 Ford Focus CL was made in South Africa. I think a few car models are manufactured in this particular country.

[emma99]

I also don't like to buy African cars....