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Matra et Alpine
01-14-2005, 08:16 PM
Well just returned from Firday's trade day at the NEC.

Some great cars, nice layout in the WRC area and the Fords. With so few GT40s around it seemed that almost every oiriginal and new one was on a stand !!!

The Radical SR-8 is beautiful and as easy to sit in as the SR-3. And yes, it looks like we'll be getting one up at Knockhill for test :) Spoke to them to make sure UCP get the chance to be one of the first !! AND YES, they will be going back to Nordschleife with the SR-8 and quote "there will be a LOT more seconds taken off the record than you could imagine". It's as fast as they planned for :)

There is a beautiful conversion for Exige which turns the hardtop into a T-bar with gullwing on the roof section to ease entry. Closed it's barely discernable from the standard Exige.

The Powertec guys were great and really helpful and willing to talk openly about the engine. It IS tiny.

Also there were at least 4 other similar engines coming from companies all over Europe. One of whom does the prep for the Calaways raced over here. The 1000hp version of the engine is a work of art :) Siting beside their 2.2l V8 showed how miniscule the new engine is as the Callaway is "small".

Great trade show with a chance to discuss lots of issues with the leading specialists in turbo, engine management, suspension, damping, tyres and data logging. Could have spend easily a few grand :)

As it was came back with a few necessities for the 'new' rally car - yes we've sold the MGB GT. Roll on the Mini :)
Also, drove back a new acquisition of a Quantum Coupe kit car. All built already. Working so good that we did the 300 miles home in just over 3 hours :)

Lots of pics will follow after I get some sleep :)
However some to 'enjoy' for those unable to attend ......

16-4Veyron
01-14-2005, 08:46 PM
Hahaha, great pics you got there!
Bad quality tho :rolleyes:
Any cars? :p

fa22_raptor
01-14-2005, 10:02 PM
That's a GREAT picture of the F1 cars of 2004! Too bad they missed out on either the McLaren MP4-19 or 19B as the MP4-17 hasn't been raced since 2002 (if I remember correctly). The MP4-17D was used at the start of 2003, but not the 17. If anyone's wondering what happened to the 18, it was tested but never raced as it had a multitude of problems involving chassis strength, overheating, engine integration etc.

Edit: Thinking about the RBR-01 on display there, that must really just be a repainted and rebadged Jaguar R5. I very much doubt that Red Bull would have released their 2005 car for display before it's even released!

6'bore
01-15-2005, 04:52 AM
good pics, the quality could be better :)

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 04:54 AM
Edit: Thinking about the RBR-01 on display there, that must really just be a repainted and rebadged Jaguar R5. I very much doubt that Red Bull would have released their 2005 car for display before it's even released!
Yeah, the biggest con in the car industry are the F1 cars shown at most shows and dealerships aroudn the world.
Most are mules and MOST have never turned a wheel in anger.
So other than showing 'livery' - and they are painted to "current spec" there's anot a lot to "being near and F1 car" these days. Espsecially since the Aero packages completely hide the engine. We "emabrrassed" a dealer a few years back by pointout out to HIM that the F1 car he was using to attract interst didnt' have an engine in it :)
Same with the WRC cars, look at the suspension - quite often it's stock !!!!

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 04:56 AM
good pics, the quality could be better :)
well lighting and trying to capture the F1 wall was never going to make it easy. We were at the trade day for as purpose so I wasn't carry a tripod and lenses aroudn :)
And the "other" images were taken from afar. I wasn't going to be the "sad buggar" asking the dolly birds to pose and cuddle me for photos ( damn I'm getting old :) )
I'm fettling the new car today, so maybe tonight I'll get some other photos up.

Coventrysucks
01-15-2005, 08:47 AM
Yeah, the biggest con in the car industry are the F1 cars shown at most shows and dealerships aroudn the world.
Most are mules and MOST have never turned a wheel in anger.

It isn't really a "con" as such.

An actual F1 car is a few £million, you aren't going to take a risk with that sort of investment as hand it over to some show organisers to hang up on a wall - what if it falls off? The organisers aren't going to be able to cover that ammount of insurance risk.

You wouldn't be able to see the technical bits anyway - so you aren't missing out.

BTW that McLaren is 2003 spec, so its older than the "Jag"

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 10:50 AM
It isn't really a "con" as such.
.....
BTW that McLaren is 2003 spec, so its older than the "Jag"
That's about as close to the definition of a 'con' as you can get CS :)
"most" viewers won't know the difference and think they're looking at an F1 car !!
The cognoscenti know better and aren't fooled :)

Pinin
01-15-2005, 01:18 PM
I'm going tomorrow. Do you have any car pics? :D:D

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 02:10 PM
I'm going tomorrow. Do you have any car pics? :D:D
Sorry guys, been busy with the new car....

Here's the Group C cars

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 02:12 PM
The Silk Cut Jag and the Cyclone Callaway 1000bhp engine. nice :)

Sports/saloon racers, WRC and Radical will come later .....

PS: There is a report each night at 8:30 (UK) on http://www.autosport.com/asiradio/autosport_radio.asx

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 02:25 PM
a few of the other race cars :)

SPHFerrari
01-15-2005, 02:28 PM
pics look VERY noisey. did you have to bump up the ISO pretty high? autoshows are really hard to photograph. you should run em through some noiseware software.

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 02:38 PM
The GT40 and the Mini Marcos - 2 of the lowest and one of the smallest Le Mans cars :)

re the noise, yeah the problem was on the trade days the light didn't seem as brirght as I remembered it and the camera didn't have the range to cope and I didn't have tripod with me.( The Kodak is crap on flash as well - serious bleed, see the Silk Cut )

We were there to do some serious engineering and meetings, not just look at the cars. In reality we ran out of time and barely got a chance to see the exhibits :( Next year it will be a 2 day visit, too much time gets taken up on the trade stands :(

I also dont' ahve time to spend and only cropping and compressing to get them up there.
With more time, yep, they coudl be prettied up, hopefully guys with better camera and tripod/unipod will post better later.

The option was posting the pics as is, or not letting anyone see what was there. As this is a CAR page and not a photograpy site, I opted for the cars woudl be of interest. You decide :)

paul
01-15-2005, 02:48 PM
just some pictures i took today, please exuse the small size!

i took so many and my cam became jammed!

only just got home about 2 hours ago but was a really good day and that callaway V16 was very nice alpina! :D

paul
01-15-2005, 02:51 PM
random selection

paul
01-15-2005, 02:52 PM
some more , i would have loved it if they had an mc 12 there!

paul
01-15-2005, 02:54 PM
snap on the nissan! :D

paul
01-15-2005, 02:56 PM
this blue corvett puzzeled me? have not seen that one yet? , looks quite nice though!

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 02:57 PM
Beemers 20 years apart :) and the BIG Galaxie :)

paul
01-15-2005, 02:58 PM
nice silk cut, jag !

paul
01-15-2005, 03:02 PM
ooooo just had to get some girls up! :rolleyes:




but had a really good day was there from 10 till 4 , bit of a long day and it got packed but was mainly hanging around on my companys stand, and the bars!

lots of cars , girls and had a nice chat to a few people about new stuff

was a good day but now im tired out! i hate trains!

hope you enjoy the pictures , glad i got one too of the calaway V16


sorry about the size and blurr but hey its dam hard on a public day to get decent pics ;)

paul
01-15-2005, 03:05 PM
one more for you matra, know you like your oldies ;)


its in dam good condition for its age!

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 03:12 PM
Good pics Paul, the blonde on the hummer stand was cute. less "dolly" than most of the rest. Sadly on Friday there were some of them undressing to get "good shots" :( All a bit tacky at times - unless you're a hormone-overloaded-15-year-old I guess !!! :)

Did you get a look at the Powertec stand ? I spent some time taling to their chief designer. They're a really great bunch of guys !!!

Also spent some time with the Z-cars guys. There Saxo conversion is superb engineering. Need to be careful now, that lowered, blacked out Saxo might just have a surprise waiting :)

here's some more pics

Mustang
01-15-2005, 03:17 PM
damn you matra dont make me start 303 pics to post sometime

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 03:21 PM
oh dear, look what I found in the rear of one of my shots :)

This attracted a fair bit of attention even on the trade day, I hate to imagine what the stand was like today/tomorrow :)

The engine and transaxle is the complete Powertec V8 used in the Radical.
To get it in context, the white sheet at the bottom left is an A4/letter sized sheet of paper :) Sorry for the Q on this one, but it was a shot of us visiting, not so much the engine !!!

Finally that nice Exige t-bar. Even JC could get in and out now :)

Mustang
01-15-2005, 03:21 PM
ok here is one the rest are coming tomorrow ;)

http://img94.exs.cx/img94/1764/dscn17266bc.th.jpg (http://img94.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img94&image=dscn17266bc.jpg)

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 03:22 PM
damn you matra dont make me start 303 pics to post sometime
How did you get on ?
Sounds liek it was REAL busy.
We never managed the live show, hwo was it ??
I'm only posting a fraction of what was taken :) ( Partly coz most of them are technical !! )

Cotterik
01-15-2005, 03:23 PM
+ all mine, even tho urs an mine are literally identical haha

Me n james will post all of ours tomorrow, in a seperate thread. wont we lad!

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 03:24 PM
Is that a wallet in your right hand pocket that you're holding ???? :) or was it all too much for you :)

Don't bother with sperate thread guys, just pile it all in here. Makes it easier to see them all and discuss rather than having to switch threads !!!!!

Mustang
01-15-2005, 03:26 PM
How did you get on ?
Sounds liek it was REAL busy.
We never managed the live show, hwo was it ??
I'm only posting a fraction of what was taken :) ( Partly coz most of them are technical !! )


yeah got there today waled in at 8:30 walked out at 7 damn my legs are dead :(

sure will rik id say there is a good what 500+ pics between us :p

with my 303 and your whatever

Mustang
01-15-2005, 03:27 PM
Is that a wallet in your right hand pocket that you're holding ???? :) or was it all too much for you :)

Don't bother with sperate thread guys, just pile it all in here. Makes it easier to see them all and discuss rather than having to switch threads !!!!!


put it this way my walled was the only square thing and that looks pretty square to me :p

Plutus
01-15-2005, 03:39 PM
Some great pics there guys. Makes me kinda jealous - wish I had gone along. Especially as my girlfriend abandoned me today :( Alas I cannot go tomorrow.

paul
01-15-2005, 03:42 PM
Good pics Paul, the blonde on the hummer stand was cute. less "dolly" than most of the rest. Sadly on Friday there were some of them undressing to get "good shots" :( All a bit tacky at times - unless you're a hormone-overloaded-15-year-old I guess !!! :)

Did you get a look at the Powertec stand ? I spent some time taling to their chief designer. They're a really great bunch of guys !!!

Also spent some time with the Z-cars guys. There Saxo conversion is superb engineering. Need to be careful now, that lowered, blacked out Saxo might just have a surprise waiting :)

here's some more pics


yea i was chatting to the guys on the quafe stand a lot manily because a friend works for them, like there car , nifty little design there

saw couthard too! but that was only because i was in the bar near the f1 stand


that saxo................... whats is running btw? live rear axel looks fun!

saw that other saxo with the turned vtr whees but not the same one just checked.


today was super packed especialy round 1 ish and more chavs,scallys,neds then you could shake a stick at! not as many as last year though :)

the live action arena i did not get to see ether the bar was rather more appeling round 12 lol

anyways i may as well get some more pics up since i took loads! :D

paul
01-15-2005, 03:43 PM
more pictures!

paul
01-15-2005, 03:45 PM
i had to giggle to myself when i saw this micra

looks pretty rude though! :p

paul
01-15-2005, 03:46 PM
and some more .................

paul
01-15-2005, 03:48 PM
that loverly V16 again! :eek:

paul
01-15-2005, 03:50 PM
ooo its a vauxhall! :D

paul
01-15-2005, 03:51 PM
here is that other saxo with the turned wheels

don't think i saw the white 2 engine one :(

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 04:35 PM
Funky little Nissan, it DID look mean and some TVRs

Mustang
01-15-2005, 04:40 PM
hasnt that nissan got a 2L turbo ? :)

and they not just any TVR's :p there the sagaris and the Tuscan ;)

how about decresing the size for better quality ?

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 04:46 PM
For Werty plus the GranSport :)

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 04:50 PM
how about decresing the size for better quality ?
Depends the size you view things at.
I run 1600x1200 and occasionallya 2000 at work. So I tend to keep the images at irigainl resolution and use jpeg to reduce the file size. Sometimes it's rather sever - the Silk Cut colours gave it a problem :)
It takes balancing to decide whether the image is best at smaller resolution and less compression or other way around. I don't have the time, so I've jsut bee cropping and compressing as it works out best as the browser will resize DOWN to window size ( it's never a good idea to try to re-size UP )
As before, I'm busy and if the images aren't to your liking, feel free to edit and repost :)

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 05:05 PM
the Deronda Type F looked nice in carbon :)
Note the splitter from the earlier models has been removed for the road-going version - knew they woudl have SVA problems with that !!

Sorry for the poor picture, but it was very dark. The Marlin 5exi is a lovely little car from another UK kit company.

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 05:20 PM
Sadly the pictures of the Stylus are the Kodak at it's worst, it doesn't like reds and oranges. it usually takes me a fair amount o time to get it balanced. Time I don't have today :( Enjoy the pics and go to their site if you're insterested.

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 05:24 PM
Spent a long time on the Radical stand with the guys :)

Got them to take the rear off for a better look !!!!!

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 05:46 PM
It really looked nice in the flesh. Perhaps it had something to do with the young ladies always sitting in it :)

Anyone any info on this ? Was it a one-off, a special or an after-market ?

EDIT: Informed later it is the Moray concept. Thanks

Cotterik
01-15-2005, 05:52 PM
gud stuff matra, but why is it that the only people posting here are people who have been to the show lol PEOPLE.. SHOW INTEREST

johnnynumfiv
01-15-2005, 05:52 PM
It really looked nice in the flesh. Perhaps it had something to do with the young ladies always sitting in it :)

Anyone any info on this ? Was it a one-off, a special or an after-market ?


It is the moray corvette concept. Here's a link to a site with some info: http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0311_moray/


Is this show one of the big ones over in England? I dont know much about it, so do tell.

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 05:56 PM
Ford Fiesta RS and next years Focus WRC

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 05:58 PM
It is the moray corvette concept. Here's a link to a site with some info: http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0311_moray/


Is this show one of the big ones over in England? I dont know much about it, so do tell.
Thanks jn5 :)
Pretty big, I was on the trade day with over 400 trade stands with everything you need to build a car and compete. Bought LOTS of goodies and aranged meetings to possibly spend even more over the next year :)

There are also historic shows of rally and race cars and drivers attedning on the public days for signings etc.
See www.autosport-international.co.uk

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 06:04 PM
WRC cars
Ford and Skoda

Matra et Alpine
01-15-2005, 06:12 PM
WRC -
Citroen
Peugeot

and finally Olly Clark's GroupN EVO

johnnynumfiv
01-15-2005, 07:57 PM
any pics of your new car matra?

Coventrysucks
01-15-2005, 09:20 PM
That's about as close to the definition of a 'con' as you can get CS :)
"most" viewers won't know the difference and think they're looking at an F1 car !!

It isn't a con - everytime I have seen that MP4/17D Mule it has been clearly labelled as such, even the Autosport organisers cannot be blamed for trying to pull the wool over the public's eyes.

If "most" see it labelled as a MP4/17D and still think it is a 2004 or even 2005 car, that is surely their fault, as they should clearly know better!

;)

Oh, and P.S. that Yellow Daytona is one of Mason's (Unless he has sold it).

Starting to feel rather gutted that I'll miss it... :(

henk4
01-16-2005, 02:30 AM
I
Oh, and P.S. that Yellow Daytona is one of Mason's (Unless he has sold it).

Starting to feel rather gutted that I'll miss it... :(

It is one of his, Today he will be present at the show to sign copies of his reissued book

Mustang
01-16-2005, 04:18 AM
It is one of his, Today he will be present at the show to sign copies of his reissued book


OH NOES! shuld of gone both days :p

ah well there is always next year

got some pics of his Daytona though :)

paul
01-16-2005, 04:35 AM
i think that the best stand there was the ford one , it was such a good layout and just looked superb with all the new cars on it!


that skoda rally car was looking good too

Mustang
01-16-2005, 04:43 AM
very true :)

where are you from paul ?

paul
01-16-2005, 04:49 AM
down the south east tunbridge wells (kent) was a nice long train journey!

all paid for by my company though.

Mustang
01-16-2005, 04:57 AM
down the south east tunbridge wells (kent) was a nice long train journey!

all paid for by my company though.


grrr lucky you :p

paul
01-16-2005, 04:58 AM
lol get your pics up man i wanna see if i missed anything!

Mustang
01-16-2005, 05:00 AM
lol get your pics up man i wanna see if i missed anything!


im waiting for Rik

there are 600 pics between us so cant of put all yours up ?

Mustang
01-16-2005, 05:01 AM
there is one on the first or second page for you too look at for now ;)

paul
01-16-2005, 05:33 AM
the supposed wallet one?

yerrr right thats your wallet! ;)

Matra et Alpine
01-16-2005, 07:22 AM
down the south east tunbridge wells (kent) was a nice long train journey!
Check your flights next time.
3 of us flew down Friday morning for the sum total of £4.99 plus £10 tax each :) A 30 minute flight in a comfortable 737 and a courtesy monorail right into the centre of the show !! 1hoiur 30 mins door-to-door :)

Course THEN we had a near 5 hour journey back up by car.
Not taken any pics of the new car yet as it's pissing with rain since I returned :(
Here's one the seller provided .....

paul
01-16-2005, 09:31 AM
yea will do ill let my boss know that one , (because he paid for it all)

what car is that btw? exuse my ignorance!

Matra et Alpine
01-16-2005, 09:50 AM
Alternatively DONT tell your boss and mext time take the money, book the cheap flights and spend the rest on bits at the show for your own car :)
It's a Quantum Coupe. Kit car using Fiesta XR2 as donor. Complete fibreglass monocoque construction. Tough enough to rally - mate's done it - and a fast trackday car.
See www.quantumcars.co.uk
I'll post inof on this one once I get some decent pics :)

paul
01-16-2005, 11:53 AM
nice one sounds like a nippy little kit car, yea i remember i saw them up donnington kit car show last year november time.

UCR
01-16-2005, 12:03 PM
Right, Jimbo's just been (sunday) very busy, hard to get decents shots but i got 458.
Very nice leman cars, i loved the gt40's. I also loved the women :D

Managed to get into the live area, liking some F40 donuts :)

Ill post some pics soon, but nice shots M+A, paul, mustang......

Here are just 4 for now.....

paul
01-16-2005, 12:33 PM
very nice camera work dude , looks like you got some high quality shots on the way

look foward to them!

Mustang
01-16-2005, 12:39 PM
damn you Jim i just herd about your live action arena compared to mine and Riks, ours was shit and yours was ****ing amazing

UCR
01-16-2005, 12:46 PM
Riks shitty little bastard of an attemp at it
At what?

Mustang
01-16-2005, 12:48 PM
oh you know ;)

UCR
01-16-2005, 12:51 PM
i dont understand.

paul
01-16-2005, 01:01 PM
me nether im a bit puzzeled lol

Mustang
01-16-2005, 02:01 PM
ok re-look

6'bore
01-16-2005, 02:22 PM
Is this the same thread as rik's/jim's/jame's pics etc? I was just wondering

Mustang
01-16-2005, 02:24 PM
does it look the same ?

Matra et Alpine
01-16-2005, 02:46 PM
Is this the same thread as rik's/jim's/jame's pics etc? I was just wondering
It was already suggeseted it might make sense to put all the Autosport pics in one thread.
But for whatever reason it's currently in 2 ( and maybe even more if others start posting )>
Still reckon it's just confusing, but hey-ho :(

Pinin
01-16-2005, 05:29 PM
I got back today. Excellent show.

Where the **** was the Moray concept?!

Anyway, can you post more pics of the Sport Exige because I didnt get one good pic of it. I'll upload my pics later.

Matra et Alpine
01-16-2005, 06:19 PM
On the Vredestein stand over beside the Wales rally GB stand

Mustang
01-17-2005, 01:08 AM
I got back today. Excellent show.

Where the **** was the Moray concept?!

Anyway, can you post more pics of the Sport Exige because I didnt get one good pic of it. I'll upload my pics later.


yeah it was hard to get pics of the elise :o so many people crowded round it all the time :o