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jcp123
03-08-2005, 12:06 AM
...I've decided to sell the Stang. I found the car I want. '66 Cadillac DeVille Convertible. It's got a brand new brake system, tranny, paint, electrical system, and interior, and has had a later model 472 cubic inch V8 swapped in to replace the original 429 that came with it. Perfect starting point.

It's been on the market for a while, and the owner needs the cash, so I can probably get it from him cheap. Hopefully this will work out, I have yet to look at the car as it's in the Houston, Tx, area...but when my Dad's in Texas again to finalize the deal on the new house he'll take a look at it and spot me the cash to buy it until I get Lola (my Mustang) sold.

PS I apologize for the poor pic, that's all he's got of it right now...

whiteballz
03-08-2005, 12:20 AM
nice look.

but i still am not really all that big a fan of old school americana.

but it is a nice look.

jcp123
03-08-2005, 12:57 AM
Yeah. I know it's a hard sell here, but hey - I'm doin this for myself :)

NuclearCrap
03-08-2005, 02:51 AM
Nice car for an old one. A hydraulic system would be nice on it.

Matra et Alpine
03-08-2005, 03:08 AM
I'm guessing with it being texan that the chromeworks in good condition ?
All the ones we used to see here from the US bases the chrome did NOT like the Scotish winters :(

Karrmann
03-08-2005, 05:41 AM
selling the Stang?!?

*screams like schoolgirl and hides under a cardboard box*

IT's THE APOCILIPSE!!!!!!!!

drakkie
03-08-2005, 08:48 AM
IT's THE APOCILIPSE!!!!!!!!

Correction there, that was the day that you were born :)

my porsche
03-08-2005, 12:01 PM
has anyone seen "After the sunset"? its a pierce brosnan movie, and his car is so awesome in it! its *i think* a '69 chevelle convertible blue with black stripes, and a cowl hood, and some tasteful chrome wheels (yes, there actually is such a thing as tasteful chrome ;) ) THATS what you should get!! :D :D :D :D

cuntukimushroom
03-08-2005, 01:49 PM
selling the Stang?!?

*screams like schoolgirl and hides under a cardboard box*

IT's THE APOCILIPSE!!!!!!!!
its called the apocolypse, i might of got it wrong too

baddabang
03-08-2005, 02:37 PM
WOW, I love old caddys with front ends like that! and that color is amazing.

clutch-monkey
03-08-2005, 04:36 PM
its called the apocolypse, i might of got it wrong too

its apocalypse ;)

CdocZ
03-08-2005, 04:46 PM
Nice car for an old one. A hydraulic system would be nice on it.

Why? Jcp is one of the few american's who can actually own a car like a Caddy and not pimp it out it seems these days. What purpose would hydraulics serve?

EDIT: Nice choice Jcp. A 472? Holy crap thats big! Thats almost 8 liters!

2ndclasscitizen
03-08-2005, 05:23 PM
dude that is FAT ride nice choice

jcp123
03-08-2005, 05:51 PM
has anyone seen "After the sunset"? its a pierce brosnan movie, and his car is so awesome in it! its *i think* a '69 chevelle convertible blue with black stripes, and a cowl hood, and some tasteful chrome wheels (yes, there actually is such a thing as tasteful chrome ;) ) THATS what you should get!! :D :D :D :D

You know, back when I got the Stang, I looked at Chevelles. I could hardly afford a hardtop version, let alone a droptop model. A good one runs about 4 times what this one's selling for. :mad: I'm not gonna lie though, Velle's are among my favs. They're my second favorite muscle cars, and were my first muscle car love. The '70 Chevelle SS454 LS/6 and the 1963 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible are the two cars that got me into classics in the first place.

Hydraulics? I think not. For one, they bend the frame, for another they're expensive, they're unreliable, and lastly (my opinion, anyway) they look incredibly stupid. Air suspension I'm open to (wanted to do that setup on a '62 Chev Bel Air), but also probably no.

Matra, unfortunately I haven't been able to look at it yet, but the chrome is probably good enough I can either take some steel wool to it to make it look passable, or I can sandblast pieces and have them re-chromed.

Cdoc, yeah...7.7 liters of torque, baby! 525lb-ft gross. I'd have to look it up, that still probably comes out to around 365lb-ft net at 2000-2500rpm though...I'm going to have to try a brakestand, maybe wet the street down with bleach for extra smoke :rolleyes:

Anyway, this still ain't a sure thing, we'll see how it turns out... :)

johnnynumfiv
03-08-2005, 06:52 PM
Cool looking car, always been a fan of the caddy's. Thats a huge amount of torque, but performance has got to be hindered by the weight of that beast. For the burnout thing, make a pump going from a bottle, and put it infront of the wheels. :D

Auto trans fluid works well too, here's my grandma proving it back in the 80's with some mammoth of a car :p

taz_rocks_miami
03-08-2005, 07:55 PM
The Caddy isn't my cup of tea, but I'm glad you found the car you wanted jcp, I hope you enjoy it :)

Egg Nog
03-08-2005, 07:58 PM
Cool looking car, always been a fan of the caddy's. Thats a huge amount of torque, but performance has got to be hindered by the weight of that beast. For the burnout thing, make a pump going from a bottle, and put it infront of the wheels. :D

Auto trans fluid works well too, here's my grandma proving it back in the 80's with some mammoth of a car :p

Your grandma is awesome.

Here's a picture of my Grandma (RIP :() in a BMW Z8. ;)

DodgeNitroBIRM
03-08-2005, 09:18 PM
That Caddy looks nice jcp.

Manik
03-08-2005, 09:27 PM
Yes good desicion with the caddy. I'm not a huge fan of the that year but it's ok. You're gaurunteed to get alot power out of that 472! (lol I need to use that spelling tool Matra found!)

2ndclasscitizen
03-09-2005, 02:38 AM
(lol I need to use that spelling tool Matra found!)
a dictionary?

85RX7
03-09-2005, 01:09 PM
dude, that is one hell of a ride. Make sure you take good care of her. THAT THING IS HUGE!!!

Spastik_Roach
03-12-2005, 02:25 PM
Not a fan of rims and colour but otherwise SWEET! I wish we could get classics like that for cheap in NZ.

my porsche
03-12-2005, 03:24 PM
whts a chevelle convertible run anyway jcp? i might want one, they are pretty awesome, my dad's friend rebuilds muscle cars to show condition, and his engine builder has a chevelle ss with 700hp normally aspirated and over 1000 with the nitrous, he can do wheelies at random on the freeway, he also has a matching trailer and el camino with a 454

my porsche
03-12-2005, 03:35 PM
ok in after the sunset it might have been a cutlass or a camaro, has anyone seen it? someone else might know, its obviously late sixties or early 70's

Manik
03-12-2005, 06:18 PM
a dictionary?

I'm to lazy to get up and walk upstairs and get the dictionary. ;) :p

my porsche
03-12-2005, 07:46 PM
I'm to lazy to get up and walk upstairs and get the dictionary. ;) :p
www.dictionary.com

Fleet 500
03-12-2005, 09:21 PM
...I've decided to sell the Stang. I found the car I want. '66 Cadillac DeVille Convertible. It's got a brand new brake system, tranny, paint, electrical system, and interior, and has had a later model 472 cubic inch V8 swapped in to replace the original 429 that came with it. Perfect starting point.

It's been on the market for a while, and the owner needs the cash, so I can probably get it from him cheap. Hopefully this will work out, I have yet to look at the car as it's in the Houston, Tx, area...but when my Dad's in Texas again to finalize the deal on the new house he'll take a look at it and spot me the cash to buy it until I get Lola (my Mustang) sold.

PS I apologize for the poor pic, that's all he's got of it right now...
Wow! I hope you get it, jcp. :)

That one looks nice. 129.5" wheelbase and 224" and 4,800 lbs of real Cadillac. I, of course, am a huge Cadillac fan and '66 is one of my favorite years for them. The '66 Fleetwood and DeVille, when ordered with leather interior, had 3/8" walnut door panels. Yours should have that if the seats are leather. There is a '66 Convertible I see a lot at the weekly car gathering I go to- white in color.

Whoever put in that 472 engine (7.7 liters) helped you out- they are more powerful and reliable than the '64-'67 429 engine. Your car probably has the 3.21:1 rear axle ratio; the '68-'74 standard Caddys had the 2.94:1. So the ratio in yours should help improve performance. Here are some quick specs of a '69 Coupe de Ville with 472 engine and 2.94 axle (from Motor Trend, April, 1969):
Engine/hp/torque........ 472/375/525
Compression ratio....... 10.5:1
Curb weight............... 4,780 lbs
0-30 mph.................. 3.5 secs.
0-45 mph.................. 5.8
0-60 mph.................. 9.4
0-75 mph.................. 13.9
1/4 mile.................... 16.5 secs @ 83.8 mph
Passing:40-60 mph..... 4.9 secs
50-70 mph..... 5.6
Speed in gears @ mph.
1st........................ 52 mph @ 4400 rpm
2nd....................... 85 mph @ 4400 rpm
3rd........................ 98 mph @ 3500 rpm
Fuel mileage range..... 9.2-11.8 mpg

One of my Cadillac friends owns a '66 Fleetwood Brougham, cream with a gold interior. Has fold-down picnic trays in the rear. Here is a photo of it parked behind my '69 Fleetwood Brougham...

Spastik_Roach
03-12-2005, 09:27 PM
Jesus Christ how much trunk (I'm making a special effort to sound like an American, we call it a boot!)space does that white car have Fleet? Texas could fit in the back of that monster!

Fleet 500
03-12-2005, 09:45 PM
Jesus Christ how much trunk (I'm making a special effort to sound like an American, we call it a boot!)space does that white car have Fleet? Texas could fit in the back of that monster!
It's about 20 cubic feet. The '60s and '70s Caddys did have big luggage compartments. You can easily put a bicycle in there without bothering to remove the wheels!

Spastik_Roach
03-13-2005, 01:00 AM
I only manage to put my bike in mums Toyota Corona if we put down the seats and have it coming right through!

Fleet 500
03-13-2005, 11:31 AM
I only manage to put my bike in mums Toyota Corona if we put down the seats and have it coming right through!
A "slight" difference in space, I would say. :D

Blue Supra
03-13-2005, 07:15 PM
Thats awesome JCP!!!

Classic Yank Tank as they say:)

jcp123
04-08-2005, 07:27 PM
whts a chevelle convertible run anyway jcp? i might want one, they are pretty awesome, my dad's friend rebuilds muscle cars to show condition, and his engine builder has a chevelle ss with 700hp normally aspirated and over 1000 with the nitrous, he can do wheelies at random on the freeway, he also has a matching trailer and el camino with a 454

Uh, you're looking at a solid $30.000 for a nice one with a 350, and even a not so nice one is gonna cost ya. Chevys are expensive...

Fleet, I was a little bit hesitant at first about the 472 in there, but I have come to realize that it's really no problem and I'll probably enjoy the power. And the engine swap makes it cheaper for me to buy the car anyway. Only thing I wonder is if headers for the '68-up 472 models will fit in there...and how long should the glasspacks be when I put em on there?!? I'm thinking at least 36 inches, and probably more like 48 inches, on 2-1/4 or 2-1/2 inch pipes? Or if somebody has Smithy's pipes in bigger than 2" inlet/outlet diameter, I'd use those...

Whoever said they don't like the 'rims' - I wholeheartedly agree. But those are just some $20 Kragen plastic wheel covers, I'll get some original hub caps somewhere and subject them to a few cycles of Fantastik and steel wool...problem solved. I do like the color though, that's one of the things that attracted me to it.

VtecMini
04-09-2005, 04:43 AM
All that torque and power and it takes nine and a half seconds to reach 60? Wow...

Nice looking though, none the less.

whiteballz
04-09-2005, 05:01 AM
but how many tonnes does it weight :P

VtecMini
04-09-2005, 05:04 AM
I'm useless at at imperial measurements, so I didn't really pay much attention... But Mr google says:

4 780 pounds = 2 168.17153 kilograms

SWEET JEEEEEEEEEEEESUS

That would even give the new Disco a run for its money

whiteballz
04-09-2005, 05:53 AM
that is one heavy mutha...

Fleet 500
04-09-2005, 03:30 PM
It also has a 2.94:1 rear axle ratio. Not exactly ideal for drag racing. And that 9-second time was done on '60s bias-ply tire.

jcp123
04-13-2005, 02:37 PM
Those crappy bias-ply tires are probably the biggest issue...give it tires that can do some serious hookup (even just some good radials mounted on the stock wheels), and you'd have a pretty good improvement right there alone. Augment that with the 3.21 axle from an air conditioned car and you'd have one that while you wouldn't ever confuse it with a sportscar, you'd still have something that would very easily keep up with traffic. Then, imagine a couple of VERY basic bolt-ons and you have a car that would be faster than most would think a 5000lb car could be.

Matra et Alpine
04-13-2005, 04:35 PM
I thought all drag tyres were bias-ply to give the soft and flexible sidewalls necessary to prevent transmission tera-up and improve launch ????

jcp123
04-13-2005, 04:49 PM
No idea, but the bias plies that Cads had standard certainly aint drag tires.

Radoman
04-13-2005, 09:07 PM
Cool looking car, always been a fan of the caddy's. Thats a huge amount of torque, but performance has got to be hindered by the weight of that beast. For the burnout thing, make a pump going from a bottle, and put it infront of the wheels. :D

Auto trans fluid works well too, here's my grandma proving it back in the 80's with some mammoth of a car :p


That is the coolest damned picture I've ever seen.

jcp123
04-13-2005, 10:54 PM
Cool looking car, always been a fan of the caddy's. Thats a huge amount of torque, but performance has got to be hindered by the weight of that beast. For the burnout thing, make a pump going from a bottle, and put it infront of the wheels. :D

Auto trans fluid works well too, here's my grandma proving it back in the 80's with some mammoth of a car :p

That is a good pic. Although we around here like to use bleach. The smoke's gotta be toxic but that just makes it more fun :rolleyes:

Fleet 500
04-13-2005, 11:36 PM
That is a good pic. Although we around here like to use bleach. The smoke's gotta be toxic but that just makes it more fun :rolleyes:
I tried pouring some ordinary water in front of the tire of my family's completely stock '74 Coupe de Ville. Here is the result. :D

Fleet 500
04-13-2005, 11:42 PM
Those crappy bias-ply tires are probably the biggest issue...give it tires that can do some serious hookup (even just some good radials mounted on the stock wheels), and you'd have a pretty good improvement right there alone. Augment that with the 3.21 axle from an air conditioned car and you'd have one that while you wouldn't ever confuse it with a sportscar, you'd still have something that would very easily keep up with traffic. Then, imagine a couple of VERY basic bolt-ons and you have a car that would be faster than most would think a 5000lb car could be.
True. One magazine tested a '67 427 Camaro and, with just a change to wider tires, improved the 1/4 mile e.t. by one second! (It went from 14.0 secs to 13.0.)

One of my Cadillac friends modified his '68 Fleetwood Brougham... dual exhaust, aftermarket cam and carb. He took me for a ride and the power improvement was very noticable. I would guess its 0-60 mph time went from about 9 secs stock to low-to-mid 7s, and 1/4 mile from 16s to low-to-mid 15s.

If he put in 3.21 gears and a shift kit, it would do even better (0-60 should be in the 6-sec bracket). Something like 3.50 gears would be even more fun!

2ndclasscitizen
04-15-2005, 03:45 AM
Then, imagine a couple of VERY basic bolt-ons and you have a car that would be faster than most would think a 5000lb car could be.
...then you've just got to stop it.

jcp123
08-11-2005, 10:42 PM
Eh...by '66 I think they had front discs...or maybe not. In any case, if you drive paying attention to the traffic ahead of you, it's no big deal!

Fleet 500
08-11-2005, 11:11 PM
I've driven my Cadillacs (with front disc/rear drum brakes) in the local mountains and have never had trouble with braking- even when using them often on the downhill roads. I do shift down into 2nd on the steeper hills, though.

jcp123
08-12-2005, 12:54 AM
Never actually driven a Cadillac (except for a Cimarron, if anybody actually considers that POS to be a Cadillac), but fromwhat I've read, even the drum brakes were pretty adequate.