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Cedric

03-08-2005, 02:48 PM

We're always so full of famous brawny sports cars, but here's something of an oddball car. It's French, it doesn't look too bad and I bet it goes like hell:

www.marcadier.com

cuntukimushroom

03-08-2005, 02:51 PM

ferrari wannabe....? :rolleyes: but still its a great classic though

Cedric

03-08-2005, 02:54 PM

McLareN

03-08-2005, 03:22 PM

A hi-res pic (of the Marcadier Monoplace Formule 2) i managed to get
*Nice find btw

Matra et Alpine

03-08-2005, 03:31 PM

I don't know whether it shares lots of Ferrari traits, but hey, which car from that era didn't? when I see the flat Barquette, it reminds me of a Lotus 23 or Elva. I didn't know the French made more exciting cars besides the Alpine, Matra and Bonnet Djet.
In the 60s the French car industry was as busy and varied as the British.
BUT as the French are not as car-mad as the Brits so few of them sruvived :(

tallguynate

03-08-2005, 08:11 PM

Vive les voitures Francais!

henk4

03-09-2005, 01:15 AM

Finally somebody coming up with a nice car

here is the Barzoi coupe, taken ages ago at Retromobile

henk4

03-09-2005, 01:21 AM

I don't know whether it shares lots of Ferrari traits, but hey, which car from that era didn't? when I see the flat Barquette, it reminds me of a Lotus 23 or Elva. I didn't know the French made more exciting cars besides the Alpine, Matra and Bonnet Djet.

Here is the CG Simca, from 1972. Look at the nice supercharger fitted there.

whiteballz

03-09-2005, 01:25 AM

i like the look of that CG simca.

henk4

03-09-2005, 01:42 AM

i like the look of that CG simca.

actually Simca's own, Bertone designed 1200S coupe was not a bad looking car either,

Cedric

03-09-2005, 02:33 AM

French sports cars from that era deserve more attention from the car-loving community. I have been looking into them lately, and yes, they were as busy as the British back then, but everyone seems to have forgotten about them. I'd love to have a Marcadier-Barzoi, but they are never for sale. They are probably seldomly sold and the ones that do get sold most likely shift around in the club.

henk4

03-09-2005, 02:54 AM

http://monsite.wanadoo.fr/sovam/page1.html

There was also the SOVAM, but that lacked most of the elegance the other cars had.

McLareN

03-09-2005, 03:02 AM

Some hi-res pics of the Sovam posted above by Henk :)
Sovam 1100:

Cedric

03-10-2005, 01:08 PM

Price for a Marcadier Barzoi coupé in original condition: approx. 19000 euros !! Rather a lot I guess.

henk4

03-10-2005, 01:12 PM

Price for a Marcadier Barzoi coupé in original condition: approx. 19000 euros !! Rather a lot I guess.

cheaper than a comparable A110

Cedric

03-10-2005, 01:16 PM

Unfortunately I don't know how much a Barquette would fetch. Most probably less than a comparable Lotus or Genie (I hope)

Matra et Alpine

03-10-2005, 02:19 PM

Rene Bonnet D'Jet 1
http://www.carjoy.nl/Matrapics/M-djet-bonnet.jpg

Matra d'jet 5 - the design was carried over from the Bonnet company.
Gordini rear engine, rear drive, fibreglass body on stell chassis.
LOTS of money - sadly :(
http://www.matrasport.dk/Cars/DJet/Gallery1/Medium/mf_jet-d.jpg
http://www.matrasport.dk/Cars/DJet/Gallery1/Medium/mdturn-e.jpg

the next M530 was also a design classic - Ford V4 rear engine rear drive, fibreglass on ladder chassis.
http://www.carjoy.nl/Matrapics/M530rood.jpg

Laser special built on the M530 chassis - we know very little about it :( (Pieter/Wouter?)
http://www.matrasport.dk/Cars/M530/Gallery2/Medium/laser.jpg

These are all 1960s cars :)

Piacki_117

03-13-2005, 11:47 AM

Matra et Alpine

03-13-2005, 01:49 PM

And the Venturi?
The best french cars ever?
hmmmmm :( They DID make the follow on from the A610 that Renault SHOULD have let Alpine do :)

Anyway others ....

Simca CG

http://www.oldtimer.400.pl/encyklopedia/CG_73_1300.jpg

Simca Bertone

http://members.aol.com/simcamaniac/images/coupe%201000s%20for%20web%20page%202%20jpg.jpg

Esperante

03-13-2005, 02:30 PM

The Simca Bertone looks like a Volkswagen Type 3...
http://www.avwc.org/fotos/FOTOSLLIBREVW/type3red.jpg
http://www.vvwc.ca/albums/album03/type3.gif

Matra et Alpine

03-13-2005, 03:07 PM

Well it took VW till 65 to do the fastback version. So they were 2 years after the little Simca :)
BUT a lot of cars back then looked similar. There was less upset about copying back then :)

henk4

03-13-2005, 08:01 PM

quite an insulting comparison, the VW and Bertones well balanced coupe. The VW was nothing more than a desparate styling effort to make the 1500 pontoon version look more sporty. Hopeless failure.
The Simca shown is the harmless 1000 version, the car really started to take off when it was upgraded to 1200S specs, doing about 170 kph.

Spastik_Roach

03-13-2005, 11:41 PM

[QUOTE=Matra et Alpine]

Simca CG

http://www.oldtimer.400.pl/encyklopedia/CG_73_1300.jpg

The front of this looks so much like an A110.

Matra et Alpine

03-14-2005, 09:38 AM

Yep, the French never seemed to have much issue with "borrowing" good designs.
The Bonnet, Matra, Simca, Alpine and a few others all look quite similar - maybe more to the Alpine winning the Le Mans "efficiency" and the excellent aero styling :)

as Henk says, the 1200s were nice competitive machinery :)
http://1.im.cz/n/photo//03/27/89lmuln-topsirka.jpg

Esperante

03-14-2005, 07:16 PM

OH SNAP! That looks like a Fiat 124/2000!

Matra et Alpine

04-04-2005, 05:11 PM

tut-tut, missed out the Ligier JS1 and JS2

You got to love those French curves :)

http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre/ligier/js1/1969_ligier_js1_01_m.jpg
http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre/ligier/js1/1969_ligier_js1_07_m.jpg
http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre/ligier/js2/1974_ligier_js2_07_m.jpg

henk4

04-04-2005, 11:03 PM

Sadly only one JS1 was ever produced (the red one) fitted with a Ford V6 engine.

Matra et Alpine

04-05-2005, 03:32 AM

Sadly only one JS1 was ever produced (the red one) fitted with a Ford V6 engine.
Three were built. The surviving one being the second and having been heavily restored in the 1999. Don't knwo if the other 2 history is known or just "lost" hopefully to be found someday in a gites :)

The first JS1 was powered by Ford 1600 in 1969. 1970 saw them using Ford 1800 engine doing national events and then they appeared at Le Mans in 71 using the Capri 2.6 V6 engine.

Wouter Melissen

04-05-2005, 03:37 AM

I have seen the surviving JS1 and at least two JS2s, of which one is again going to compete in the Tour Auto. I really like the look of that JS2 and it is very potent with the Cosworth V8.

Matra et Alpine

04-05-2005, 04:22 AM

I have seen the surviving JS1
THAT's IT, rub it in that YOU were at Retromobile and I wasn't :(
B*****D !!!!!!!

and at least two JS2s, of which one is again going to compete in the Tour Auto. I really like the look of that JS2 and it is very potent with the Cosworth V8.
Yeah over 250 of the JS2s were built.
Maserati V6, Ford V6 or Ford DFV options :)
http://www.mcarsweb.com/ligier/js2.jpg
but the Le Mans ones were sweet :)
http://www.shorey.net/Auto/French/1974%20Le%20Mans%20Ligier%20JS2%20Guy%20Ligier.jpg
The ORIGINAL V6 Maserati versions were more successful than the 1975 Fords :) ( OK the latter DID get 2nd overall at Le Mans, but not a lot else :) )

Wouter Melissen

04-05-2005, 04:26 AM

Peter, I have already seen on three different occasions.

Matra et Alpine

04-05-2005, 04:29 AM

Peter, I have already seen on three different occasions.
Hating you more and MORE :(

Wouter Melissen

04-05-2005, 04:43 AM

I could feature it in the next update.

Matra et Alpine

04-05-2005, 04:51 AM

I could feature it in the next update.
do and you're off my Christmas list for GOOD :(

No, serioiusly it would be nice to see as the LIgier is often forgotten about in French car circles :)

henk4

04-05-2005, 10:43 AM

Hating you more and MORE :(

I have seen it too, and I have a perfect picture of the badge :D

Wouter Melissen

04-06-2005, 02:09 AM

I have just given the Ligier JS1 a closer look, but I can't find any technical details on it. In our library there is a one page article, with the history of the car. The only thing I can figure out is that it has a 2.4 litre (?) V6 with a Westlake alloy head, a five speed gearbox and a fiberglass body over a steel chassis, which Guy Ligier found too heavy. I can't find any info on that 2.4 litre engine; the Capri had a 2.3 and a 2.6.