New XBOX 360 PICS

[ZemoButts]

The System
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1488407751772606.JPG
Tha Controller
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1387385638449262.JPG
The Remote Control
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/8390731317563729.JPG

[johnnyperl]

ugly..
is that a camera in the bottom left of the first pic?
whens the MTV special?

[ZemoButts]

it might be a camera , the special is on May 12 but dont kno wht time tho u can check at MTV.com

[shr0olvl]

whats the MTV special ?

[baddabang]

hahaha thats really funny and ugly at the same time

[r1ckst4]

how is that ugly? :confused: it looks very stylish to me...

[targa]

whats an XBOX?

[PsychoChimp22]

whats the MTV special ?

Watch MTV at 9:00PM on thrusday the 12th.

[Sweeney921]

hey that green button on the remote has the microsoft windows symbol on it.........

[targa]

hey that green button on the remote has the microsoft windows symbol on it.........you think....maybe......no.....would they?

[ZemoButts]

i wonder if u can play games with the remote control

[cuntukimushroom]

whats an XBOX?
microsoft's Console

or is that sarcasm coming from you ? :p

[jorismo]

hey that green button on the remote has the microsoft windows symbol on it.........

Sow it can't be good, right?

[johnnynumfiv]

hey that green button on the remote has the microsoft windows symbol on it.........

I wonder if this could mean that it is a computer too, kind of like web tv?

[Matra et Alpine]

I wonder if this could mean that it is a computer too, kind of like web tv?
Gates has been making noises about hte XBox being a media centre for the living room.
So fully expect to find a brain-damaged copy of Windows MC in there :)

[johnnyperl]

details leaked...
CLICK (http://news.gaminghorizon.com/media2/1115678065.926.html)

excerpts...

three 3.2 gigahertz central processors
two tiers of the Xbox Live online gaming service, one free and one with a subscription

[Spastik_Roach]

Dayum, thats good specs.

[Matra et Alpine]

Excellent.

1080i on ALL games.

3 cores and 2 threads each at 3.2 G isnt' going to set the heather on fire given what the Extreme Editions are doing. It's going to be fast enough to make the new XBox the equal of current top end home PCs, so for bang for buck if they introduce this at the traditional $299 price point it will be a winner. IF they do options though making a fully functional powerful maching say 399 or worse 499 then it'll need some maarketing limited games releases to ensure it's success.

EXCELLENT bandwidth on the busses though, will help lots with AI if they get the latency right.

Will need to see confirmation fo what Xbox LIVE GOdl subscription service is about as it seems to be the only way to do streaming media and mp3 si throguh that subscription method ( more monthly $$ ). Surely the starting Xbox has to be abel to play connected mp3 and mpeg4 media content ????
EDIT> It's OK, phew, I misread the page, offline playing of the media is included.

[Koenigsegg_CC]

I think that the controller looks a bit cheap

[ZemoButts]

there will be 2 different forms of Xbox Live - one free version available on weekends (Silver) and one paid version available all the time (Gold). Both services well be able to download content etc from XBL servers. The actual technical specifications of the console also seem very impressive at this stage.

2 types of Xbox Live:
Xbox Live Silver (no subscription required)
Xbox Live Gold (subscription benefits)

Features for Gold service
* Also for Silver
# Also for Offline

- Seamless transition to Xbox Live account from Xbox to Xbox 360
- Access to MMOs (additional fees may apply) *
- Free Xbox Live weekends *
- Multiplayer online gameplay
- Avatar for gamer profile * #
- Motto for gamer profile * #
- Personalized look for Xbox System Guide * #
- Offline achievments * #
- Online achievements *
- Access to other players’ Gamer cards via Live *
- *ulative gamer score * #
- Location/language profile * #
- Reputation *
- Enahnced matchmaking using above
- Skill level matchmaking
- Gameplay style profile (casual, competitive, etc.)
- Recent players list *
- Free and premium download game content *
- Free and premium downloadable movies, music, tv *
- Downloadable demos/trailers *
- Microtransactions *
- Custom playlist in every game * #
- Play music from portable devices * #
- View images from digital camera * #
- Strem media from Windows XP * #
- Interactive screen savers * #
- Track info for CDs * #
- Communication with voice, video or text *

[MRR]

Custom IBM <<PowerPC>>-based CPU

-3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each
-2 hardware threads per core
-1 VMX-128 vector unit per core
-1 MB L2 cache

It sounds an awful lot like a modified version of the PowerPC 9700 (aka the G5) the processor that powers the Powermac Towers and Servers used by Apple. It will be the first 64 bit CPU in a console system (I think).

Also I wonder if it will be backwards compatible with the old xbox games...

[ZemoButts]

It will be the first 64 bit CPU in a console system (I think).

Also I wonder if it will be backwards compatible with the old xbox games...

how many bits are other consoles????

and yes it is going to be backwards compatible bill said it himself

[Matra et Alpine]

how many bits are other consoles????
The PS2 is 128 bits.

For me the number of bits in a processor is not so relevant as even for the most detailed world co-ordinate mapping doesn't need to go beyond 16 bit.
To put that in context, if a "world" was mapped down to 1mm resolution , then 16 bits would give you that detail ALL THE WAY OUT to objects nearly half a mile away :) 32 bits just gets even silliar with 1mm resolution on objects all they way out to 25 MILES :)
SO 128 bits is only for bragging rights AND to utilise smart multiple ALUs to do simultaneous vector math. IF three is a fast enough bus and intelligent cache then it's not so important.


and yes it is going to be backwards compatible bill said it himself
has he ? That was one of the things the early stuff I'd seen was questioned.
Will Xbox games definately work in Xbox360 ? Got a link/quote ??

[ZemoButts]

has he ? That was one of the things the early stuff I'd seen was questioned.
Will Xbox games definately work in Xbox360 ? Got a link/quote ??

actually wht i read was there are going to be 2 diffrent Xbox 360s one the normal one and the other is going to be a delux version which is going to be backwards compatable and has other addons i think i read it on Ing or teamxbox

[Colty]

I dont think it matters how good the Xbox360 will look. People will constantly criticise and nitpick it because its an Xbox, hence microsoft.

It will be the first 64 bit CPU in a console system (I think).

I thought the Nintendo64 had a 64bitCPU

[ZemoButts]

is 64 bit good or bad???

[Niko_Fx]

The X-Box will be revealed in 3 hours, cheers :cool:

[ZemoButts]

yep yep

[Niko_Fx]

After watching the program.... I'm not really impressed, it's gonna take a lot more than that for me to spend 300 bucks.

[shr0olvl]

meh... it was pretty good, the graphics were sweet and I can't wait till PGR3 comes out :cool:

[ZemoButts]

is that $300 canadian???

[Speedracer38]

anyone know the exact price or release date for this??

[Niko_Fx]

anyone know the exact price or release date for this??

US $299 and US $399 for the "Premium"

I don't know the release date nor the differences between premium and regular.

[Speedracer38]

ill get premium....i think it has a bigger hard drive so u can download more games. ill be on the premium xbox live to.....pretty cool its gonna be free though.

[Matra et Alpine]

ill get premium....i think it has a bigger hard drive so u can download more games. ill be on the premium xbox live to.....pretty cool its gonna be free though.
Are you going to be able to buy the low entry one and buy a MUCH bigger internal drive from a MUCH cheaper source and get a win-win or will MS brain-damage somethign to rip off the customer (again)

[MRR]

The PS2 is 128 bits.

For me the number of bits in a processor is not so relevant as even for the most detailed world co-ordinate mapping doesn't need to go beyond 16 bit.
To put that in context, if a "world" was mapped down to 1mm resolution , then 16 bits would give you that detail ALL THE WAY OUT to objects nearly half a mile away :) 32 bits just gets even silliar with 1mm resolution on objects all they way out to 25 MILES :)
SO 128 bits is only for bragging rights AND to utilise smart multiple ALUs to do simultaneous vector math. IF three is a fast enough bus and intelligent cache then it's not so important.


has he ? That was one of the things the early stuff I'd seen was questioned.
Will Xbox games definately work in Xbox360 ? Got a link/quote ??

What I ment was the CPU will be 64 bit and the GPU (graphics processing unit) will probaly be 256 bit (computer video cards have already achieved this).

[Matra et Alpine]

What I ment was the CPU will be 64 bit and the GPU (graphics processing unit) will probaly be 256 bit (computer video cards have already achieved this).
ah right , yes, OK.

[computer geek] number of bits for specialised processors don't really compare well. We built a 1024 bit ALU way back in 78 for a special database processor :) [/computer geek]

So anyone got a site for the REAL meat of the spec, REAL performance figures, or was the MTV thing all gloss and candy ??

[ZemoButts]

Xbox 360 System Performance Specifications

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance 9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor 10 MB of embedded DRAM
48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance 500 million triangles per second

Pixel Fill Rate 16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA

Shader Performance 48 billion shader operations per second

Memory 512 MB of 700 MHz GDDR3 RAM
Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance 1 teraflop

Storage Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB

I/O Support for up to four wireless game controllers
Three USB 2.0 ports
Two memory unit slots

Optimized for Online Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies, or listening to music
Built-in Ethernet port
Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g
Video camera ready

Digital Media Support Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive
Custom playlists in every game
Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers

High-Definition Game Support All games supported at 16:9, 720p, and 1080i, anti-aliasing
Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

Audio Multi-channel surround sound output
Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
320 independent decompression channels
32-bit audio processing
Over 256 audio channels

System Orientation Stands vertically or horizontally

Customizable Face Plates Interchangeable to personalize the console




Availability: Holiday 2005

[Niko_Fx]

Can someone compare it to the old X-Box? That way I wont be this lost.

[Supercarfreak123]

****. Missed the special.

[Niko_Fx]

****. Missed the special.

It wasn't really that special.

10 Minutes of Emo guys playing "music"
10 Minutes of watching some idiots playing X-Box games.
5 Minutes a look at the box and a short talk about it.

Oh well... I wasn't really expecting more from Mtv.

[dougal]

anyone know the exact price or release date for this??
yes it comes out in november 2005 but dont count on it most likely will be delayed and i guess 299-399 im getting premium and i have xbox live now so ill see u on there noooobs

[Rockefella]

ill see u on there noooobs
Coming from someone with 1 post.

[Niko_Fx]

Coming from someone with 1 post.

Shhhh... Now you will piss him off and he'll kick our cyber asses :(

Nice going Rockefella :mad: :mad: :mad:

[ZemoButts]

yo it turns out that u still gotta pay if u want to play online only download shit is for free

[danno]

yo it turns out that u still gotta pay if u want to play online only download shit is for free

xbox live silver comes for free, and you can do everything you can normally do, (download music, movies, extras for your game, etc.) the only thing you cant do is play on live during the week. on weekends you can play.

xbox live gold you pay for and the only extra you get is that you can play during the week.

[ZemoButts]

the only thing you cant do is play on live during the week. on weekends you can play.
.

wht happens if u jus change the date????

[skoobz]

wht happens if u jus change the date????

i'm pretty sure it's more technical than that. the time is on the server.

and 3 letters: DOA!!!
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/8828250735970126.jpg

[ZemoButts]

O DAM !!!!! even tho thats not real thats pretty pretty nice

[Matra et Alpine]

:)

Just found this http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/content.aspx?ctid=26

I wonder if Bill's Xbox marketing guys know about what Bill's Windows marketing guys are saying :) Wonder if BILL knows ??? :D

7. Grow with Windows XP
If you're a serious gamer, one of the best reasons to use a PC running Windows XP is that you can upgrade components whenever you want. Got a great deal on a new video card? Put it in. Want to upgrade your audio technology from stereo sound to 5.1 surround? It's easy. With console machines, you're stuck with what's under the hood for good.

[Rockefella]

:)

Just found this http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/content.aspx?ctid=26

I wonder if Bill's Xbox marketing guys know about what Bill's Windows marketing guys are saying :) Wonder if BILL knows ??? :D

7. Grow with Windows XP
If you're a serious gamer, one of the best reasons to use a PC running Windows XP is that you can upgrade components whenever you want. Got a great deal on a new video card? Put it in. Want to upgrade your audio technology from stereo sound to 5.1 surround? It's easy. With console machines, you're stuck with what's under the hood for good.
what does he care, still gets the profit for it being microsoft. :)