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Wolf03
06-03-2005, 12:54 PM
At the upcoming Sotherby's auction in the Ferrari factory, some million-dollar cars and F1 memorbilia are being offered. Amongst the highlights are an 2004 F1 car, the Le Mans-winning 330 Testarossa and the Zagato-bodied Maserati 450 S. However, one car which caught our attention is this 348 hack used to test the pre-production V12 for the then upcoming Ferrari Enzo.

With an estimate price of US$ 150,000-190,000 it is probably one cheapest cars of the sale, but it offers a unique look into how Ferrari operates. With parts from the 348, 355 and 360, this car was disguised to drive through the streets of Maranello. It uses a the Enzo's engine and transmission and is being offered by Sotherbys as a complete and running car.

Excerpts from Sotherby's Auction Description

Before unveiling the Enzo at the 2002 Paris Motor Show, Ferrari had been working for three years to transfer their F1 expertise to a road car. During the development, three prototypes had been made: the M1, the M2 and the M3, #90865, that we present here.

Construction of this test mule, started on 25th September 2000 and finished on 25th November. Its role was mainly as a rolling test bed for development of the engine.

The body is derived from the model 348 (type F119AB), with modifications to the rear sub frame deriving from the F131 prototype, lengthened by approximately 250 millimeters in order to fit the F140 A-Type V12 engine. In production, the F 140 B was used, with integral block and other small differences. In the engine bay, one notices in particular the large welded aluminum air box, replaced in production by a carbon fiber one. The oil radiator is from the 550 and its position in the production model had not yet been determined.

Important parts of the car are unique and hand-made. The doors and a part of the interior are from the 348 model, and the drive train, brakes, and suspension are mainly from the 355 Challenge. The fenders are made of composite material and the rear ones are removable for quick access to the engine. The bonnet, which hinged on the posterior part of the roof, is removable and has a Lexan screen. The rear windows have been redesigned in order to strengthen the rear structure, and the rear has been modified for the light assembly from the 360 model. The front is derived from the 348 model, has been modified with an asymmetrical air vent direct to the radiator, and the rear bumper has an air outlet let into it. The four exhaust pipes, positioned at the extremities, reinforce the aggressive appeal. Inside the car, the dashboard is modified to allow the fitting of the instrument panel from the 360 Modena.

In practice prototypes such as the M3 are often destroyed, or retained by the factory. The factory has never before offered for auction one of its prototypes. Being a prototype, the car is not guaranteed by Ferrari; no warranty of roadworthiness is implied or given. Ferrari says it should not be registered for road use.

Story by Supercars.net & Sotherbys

All credits go to www.supercars.net for info and pictures.

Pinin
06-03-2005, 12:58 PM
I think it looks great. I want it.

Quiggs
06-03-2005, 01:00 PM
It's such a bastardization of a Ferrari people will think it's a Fiero kit car. And that's why I kinda like it.

dydzi
06-03-2005, 01:00 PM
wow that's really interesting stuff. funny they used some model that was old even then

Mustang
06-03-2005, 01:01 PM
that thing looks about as bad as..... well its bad

Egg Nog
06-03-2005, 01:01 PM
Later on in this thread when this post has been forgotten, people will say it sucks because it is ugly. Then I will laugh.

henk4
06-03-2005, 01:07 PM
spare parts could be a problem :)

Wolf03
06-03-2005, 01:16 PM
spare parts could be a problem :)

Be creative. Ferrari was with this model. Take parts from your Benz, Bimmer, hell even Honda parts will fit.

henk4
06-03-2005, 01:17 PM
Be creative. Ferrari was with this model. Take parts from your Benz, Bimmer, hell even Honda parts will fit.

a Honda V12 crankshaft :D

dydzi
06-03-2005, 01:17 PM
Be creative. Ferrari was with this model. Take parts from your Benz, Bimmer, hell even Honda parts will fit.

or from a road legal enzo :rolleyes:

matek
06-03-2005, 02:14 PM
any parts ay hmmm let me think :rolleyes:

make it into a hybrid. :D
V12 and hybrid where can u go wrong wana impress some girl use the engine gettin somewhere boring where its not htat exciting to drive use the electrical engine. im a geniius.imgona copyright this idea :D

taz_rocks_miami
06-03-2005, 03:03 PM
I can't believe the price, it's an Enzo test mule for heaven's sake. I would have expected a much higher asking price. :)

Viper007
06-03-2005, 03:11 PM
Wow, I think this car is definitley a great part of Ferrari history. If I had an Enzo I would definitley want this car. I think Ferrari was very smart in testing the engine and transmission.

Vaigra
06-03-2005, 03:20 PM
I can't believe the price, it's an Enzo test mule for heaven's sake. I would have expected a much higher asking price. :)
Yeah, it's kind of shocking that it's got a relatively small asking price. It's got an Enzo's V12 in the back! that's worth the asking price in itself ;)

blackcat77
06-03-2005, 04:03 PM
Looks better than the final version of the Enzo...

250 GTO
06-03-2005, 04:25 PM
Looks kinda like a tesstorosa with a body kit, but I still love it!!!!

tallguynate
06-03-2005, 04:37 PM
I hope someone doesn't just buy it to pull the engine out.

johnnyperl
06-03-2005, 05:03 PM
wow that's really interesting stuff. funny they used some model that was old even then
i think they used the old body/chassis of the 348 because if they had stuck a V12 in the back of a 360 and modified/lengthened it the spy photographers and magazines would have had a field day with theories about the new car.

ScionDriver
06-03-2005, 05:19 PM
Definetly an interesting piece of automotive design/concept.

kko
06-03-2005, 08:30 PM
That would be a great road car, all the bennifits of a enzo engine and composite body without the insane price or threaat of being stolen etc that comes with a supercar, too bad you cant drive it on the roads on account of it being a prototype =(

Spastik_Roach
06-03-2005, 08:43 PM
This>Enzo.

Pinin
06-04-2005, 05:29 AM
Why is everyone saying this is better than the Enzo?

UCR
06-04-2005, 05:35 AM
Looks naff, they didnt bother making any new panels just niked a 355 and testarossa and stuck them together.

UCR
06-04-2005, 05:37 AM
Oh...a prototype.

Matt
06-04-2005, 05:39 AM
Why is everyone saying this is better than the Enzo?

Because the Enzo is hideous.

Wolf03
06-04-2005, 06:54 AM
Because the Enzo is hideous.

:eek: How could you say that? :eek:

Matt
06-04-2005, 07:16 AM
:eek: How could you say that? :eek:

I say it with confidence and a keen eye. Would you like lessons?

Pinin
06-04-2005, 07:30 AM
Because the Enzo is hideous.
Enzo is still a better car, regardless of anyone's opinion on it's looks.

VtecMini
06-04-2005, 09:26 AM
I'd buy it, strip out as much as possible and travel the world finding Enzo owners to embaress. Imagine the look on his/her face when Mr. Million dollar Enzo gets owned in a straight line by the runt of Ferrari's litter. (Not my personal opinion, I've just heard it said that the 348 was a crap Ferrari, I think it was JC that said it).

Pinin
06-04-2005, 09:39 AM
I'd buy it, strip out as much as possible and travel the world finding Enzo owners to embaress. Imagine the look on his/her face when Mr. Million dollar Enzo gets owned in a straight line by the runt of Ferrari's litter. (Not my personal opinion, I've just heard it said that the 348 was a crap Ferrari, I think it was JC that said it).
I wouldn't take too much notice of JC. :p

Maybe this would be at the Enzo in a straight line, but that's about it.

derekthetree
06-04-2005, 10:33 AM
Enzo is still a better car, regardless of anyone's opinion on it's looks.

i don't see how it could be. this is an engineering testbed, meaning that its dynamics are just the same as an enzo (almost :)).

its engine, drivetrain and the rest of the mechanicals are the same. it just hasa different body.

i agree that it looks better too :D

johnnyperl
06-04-2005, 10:43 AM
i don't see how it could be. this is an engineering testbed, meaning that its dynamics are just the same as an enzo (almost :)).

its engine, drivetrain and the rest of the mechanicals are the same. it just hasa different body.

i agree that it looks better too :D
this is completely different!
different chassis, different suspension, different aerodynamics, different brakes.
and by different i mean crappier!
some people may say it looks better but thats where the comparison has to stop.

Pinin
06-04-2005, 11:41 AM
i don't see how it could be. this is an engineering testbed, meaning that its dynamics are just the same as an enzo (almost :)).

its engine, drivetrain and the rest of the mechanicals are the same. it just hasa different body.

i agree that it looks better too :D
Some things are the same, but I guess it's got a different chassis, Different aerodynamics. Does it have all of the features of the Enzo, like Launch control for example? If this was so perfect, they would have kept it as it is.

Rockefella
06-04-2005, 11:43 AM
this is completely different!
different chassis, different suspension, different aerodynamics, different brakes.
and by different i mean crappier!
some people may say it looks better but thats where the comparison has to stop.
If they decided to test a car that would be so much worse than the real, production enzo... then what's the point? This thing is probably real close to the performance you'd get from the 660k version.

Giankrlo99
06-09-2005, 03:49 PM
HATE that prototype...is like a f355 with other ferraris mixed

Egg Nog
06-09-2005, 07:45 PM
HATE that prototype...is like a f355 with other ferraris mixed

Haha, awesome.


Later on in this thread when this post has been forgotten, people will say it sucks because it is ugly. Then I will laugh.

Vaigra
06-09-2005, 07:47 PM
Haha, awesome.
LOL! your prophecy was correct! :eek: