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Quiggs
06-21-2005, 07:45 AM
Braselton, Ga. - Building off the landmark news of Porsche's return to prototype racing within the American Le Mans Series, President and CEO Scott Atherton expressed his pleasure with the initial details of the German manufacturer's LMP2 race car. Porsche released early technical specifications and images today of its prototype that Penske Motorsports will field for the last two races of the 2005 ALMS season, Petit Le Mans at Road Atlanta and the Monterey Sports Car Championships at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca in October, and all of the 2006 schedule.

"There continues to be a steady and, if anything, increasing level of interest stemming from these announcements," Atherton said. "It has gone beyond the core group of just those who are excited about Porsche coming back; it has grown to involve people and organizations we have not heard from before. The American Le Mans Series essentially received the Good Housekeeping seal when Porsche and Penske made their announcement at the Grand Prix of Atlanta in April."

The Porsche LMP2 features an open-top design with a completely new Porsche engine, transmission and chassis, all incorporating the latest in Porsche automotive technology and created to conform to new 2006 rules and regulations of international sanctioning body Automobile Club de l'Ouest (ACO).

Considering the car is intended for customer teams, its LMP2 mandated weight of 1,653 pounds (or 750 kilograms) was achieved through an integrated lightweight design rather than the mere use of expensive and exotic materials.

"Prototype racing is an arena of high technology that enables manufacturers to showcase the technology, creativity and ingenuity of their engineering capabilities in one of the most difficult and demanding environments that exists: endurance racing," Atherton said. "But it's a semi-controlled environment that doesn't allow ridiculous unbridled technology to dominate and ultimately decimate the relevance of the platform.

"This is not intended to be a factory program that simply dominates. It's intended to be a precursor of a comprehensive, multi-car customer program," Atherton continued. "The high-watermarks that have been achieved in prototype racing were when Porsche has had a strong customer prototype program whether it was in the 935, 956 or 962 era. Our goal and Porsche's goal is to return to those times. Having a dozen Porsche prototypes racing in the series would be a spectacular situation for all involved, and I think there is a real opportunity to get there. Teams will have access to a cutting edge, state-of-the-art, factory-supported prototype program as customers of Porsche Motorsport just as they do now with GT2."

The Porsche prototype will be powered by a new 3.4-liter, 90 degree V8 engine. Able to produce 480 hp at 10,100 rpm under the ACO's regulations, the lightweight Porsche engine has a very low center of gravity. It features four valves per cylinder, a dry sump lubrication system, and an air intake manifold with single cylinder throttle valves.

The engine is tied to a Porsche-engineered sequential six-speed constant mesh transmission. A structural part of the car, the gearbox is operated by a paddle shift system on the steering wheel and incorporates a triple-disc carbon fiber racing clutch.

Like the 1998 911 GT1 race car and current Carrera GT street car, the Porsche LMP2's monocoque chassis is constructed of carbon fiber. It is attached to a strong yet lightweight framework (built to the latest safety standards of international road racing) that includes a front and rear double-wishbone suspension with ball joints, adjustable front and rear anti-roll bars, and four-way shock absorbers. For optimal stopping performance, the braking system includes twin master cylinders, adjustable brake balance, and internally vented carbon brake discs (380 mm front and 355 mm rear).

For driver comfort and safety, the new prototype is equipped with power steering and a tire pressure control system. An integral partner in the car's development process, Michelin is supplying race tires for the new Porsche prototype.

Porsche's LMP2 entry into prototype racing is one of many new ventures for some of the world's most renowned manufacturers, strictly with the ALMS in mind.

"The American Le Mans Series already has its benchmark teams and drivers and events, and I think the combination of Porsche and Penske together will establish another benchmark to aspire to," Atherton said. "Penske Motorsports has been doing a lot work benchmarking our teams. They're not taking this lightly. They've attended all our events in some form or another so far this year and taken pages of notes and lots of photographs, all with an eye toward benchmarking their debut in our series.

"The pipeline of content is refilling in LMP1 and LMP2. In the last 90 days, we have seen Courage, Porsche, Audi and now Riley & Scott confirm LMP programs for 2006," he continued. "No doubt there are others that we simply haven't heard from yet. I believe we're on the front edge of a resurgence of new prototype content, and when this is coupled with the already strong activity in the GT classes, it bodes well for the ALMS in general, especially our loyal fans."

Along with Porsche's debut later this year, Mazda already has claimed an LMP2 class victory with its engine in the rotary-powered Sportsbook.com/B-K Motorsports Courage C65. Other manufacturers that have committed to LMP1 programs for 2006 include Audi, Courage and Riley & Scott. The new entries, along with the ALMS' current crop of outstanding cars and teams in both the prototype and grand touring classes, put the ALMS in position to continue its climb in popularity among fans, sponsors and media outlets worldwide.

The American Le Mans Series

The American Le Mans Series is a series of sports car endurance racing events patterned after the famous 24 Hours of Le Mans. ALMS events feature multi-class racing among the world's most elite sports car racing drivers and teams. The starting lineup for every event includes both factory and privateer racing teams competing for overall wins as well as wins in one of four classes of competition.
This looks promising.

johnnyperl
06-21-2005, 08:43 AM
i was right! they all look the same! (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=326042#post326042)

thanks for the pics.

NuclearCrap
06-21-2005, 08:57 AM
i was right! they all look the same! (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=326042#post326042)

thanks for the pics.

Lol, Porsche did a good job though. If it isn't told to be a LMP2, I would've thought that it's a LMP1!!! It looks awesome. I bet it's gonna own. :D

Cotterik
06-21-2005, 09:09 AM
it looks like its trying to whistle

DasModell
06-21-2005, 09:25 AM
it looks like a Lucchini

Rockefella
06-21-2005, 09:53 AM
It looks like an Audi R8, but maybe better. Once again Porsche rinses and reuses a VAG design. Oh well, at least this one's nice.

Wouter Melissen
06-21-2005, 09:59 AM
Lol, Porsche did a good job though. If it isn't told to be a LMP2, I would've thought that it's a LMP1!!! It looks awesome. I bet it's gonna own. :D
That's because they are built along the exact same aero rules. Just look at the LMP1 and LMP2 Courages.

Comaha
06-21-2005, 10:08 AM
Anyone got hires pics? Matt?

dydzi
06-21-2005, 10:19 AM
it's wierd their presenting it two days after le mans

ZeTurbo
06-21-2005, 10:49 AM
is there any chance of this beating the all mighty R8's?

SIMPLETON
06-21-2005, 12:14 PM
its possible, but not likely. This an LMP2 car.

ruim20
06-21-2005, 12:23 PM
Front intake, Engine air intake? brake cooling? or possibly even engine cooling?

ZeTurbo
06-21-2005, 12:24 PM
i know they are not as powerfull as lmp1 cars but arent they also much lighter?

IL Duce
06-21-2005, 12:25 PM
more pics
i think it looks cool nd wish it good luck in the racing series

Dino Scuderia
06-21-2005, 12:31 PM
I'll get to see it at the Petit LeMans. Glad to see Porsche doing something again.

henk4
06-21-2005, 12:36 PM
is there any chance of this beating the all mighty R8's?
no because the R8's are due for retirement as they no longer comply to the 2006 rules

Wouter Melissen
06-21-2005, 12:42 PM
no because the R8's are due for retirement as they no longer comply to the 2006 rules
The site's main page must be the most unread section of Ultimatecarpage.com.

ruim20
06-21-2005, 01:48 PM
ahh seen it, engine intake is on the left side of the driver, cooling for radiators is in the middle of the car, but the front intake is really big.. is it only for brake cooling?

johnnyperl
06-21-2005, 03:43 PM
ahh seen it, engine intake is on the left side of the driver, cooling for radiators is in the middle of the car, but the front intake is really big.. is it only for brake cooling?
yes.
pictured is half of the R8 front (quite a cool peice when you see it off the car).
you can see the carbon(fixed duct) which runs to flexible tubing which runs to the upright (the upright is very open in the center which allows the air to flow from the duct-through the upright-through and out the disc.). i have built cars with similar setup, it is common on single seat sportscars.

ruim20
06-21-2005, 03:51 PM
yes.
pictured is half of the R8 front (quite a cool peice when you see it off the car).
you can see the carbon(fixed duct) which runs to flexible tubing which runs to the upright (the upright is very open in the center which allows the air to flow from the duct-through the upright-through and out the disc.). i have built cars with similar setup, it is common on single seat sportscars.

But isn't the porsche one really BIG i've seen 1/3 of that opening in other cars, and sometimes taped to create a smaller holle so the breakes would work right, so you think porsche where thinking in slow pace races with lots of braking? and for the fast races teams can just tape the air intake?

johnnyperl
06-21-2005, 04:23 PM
But isn't the porsche one really BIG i've seen 1/3 of that opening in other cars, and sometimes taped to create a smaller holle so the breakes would work right, so you think porsche where thinking in slow pace races with lots of braking? and for the fast races teams can just tape the air intake?
your right about the size, it is big. the only explanation i could think of is what you said and that theyre using carbon brakes which operate at higher temps than steel (which is used on most/all prototypes except the R8). its hard to say 100% till photos of the body work removed show up, but its probably safe to assume its almost all going to the brakes.

Rockefella
06-21-2005, 04:33 PM
The site's main page must be the most unread section of Ultimatecarpage.com.
You should get the choppers to put on neon lights and some crazy gif animations. :)

nopassn
06-21-2005, 06:19 PM
The site's main page must be the most unread section of Ultimatecarpage.com.

Sadly, I think you may be right - it's really a shame. There is a TON of great info in the write-ups...

Also, Hi-Res pics are up, they can be found in the hide-out...

henk4
06-21-2005, 11:36 PM
Sadly, I think you may be right - it's really a shame. There is a TON of great info in the write-ups...

Also, Hi-Res pics are up, they can be found in the hide-out...

but forum people will find nothing there that THEY have written :D

ZeTurbo
06-22-2005, 11:29 PM
I know LMP2 cars are not as powerfull as LMP1s(like a 50 - 100hp difference), but arent they also much lighter( like 100 to 200 kg lighter)?

shouldnt that lighter weigh make up for the loss of power?
and since LMP2 engines are less powerfull, they are not as stressed as the LMP1s, and are therefore more reliable?

then why does it seem like LMP2s are neglected and ignored at LeMans?

Blue Supra
06-22-2005, 11:40 PM
looks fast, might have to steal it GISS style:D

DasModell
06-23-2005, 12:17 AM
I know LMP2 cars are not as powerfull as LMP1s(like a 50 - 100hp difference), but arent they also much lighter( like 100 to 200 kg lighter)?

shouldnt that lighter weigh make up for the loss of power?
and since LMP2 engines are less powerfull, they are not as stressed as the LMP1s, and are therefore more reliable?

then why does it seem like LMP2s are neglected and ignored at LeMans?


LMP2 can be very fast .. but they are very fragile for a 24h race . for sprint races like ALMS and LMES they are perfect ..
compare a V8 3.6 Litre Turbo with an inline 4 2.0 turbo ., which one is more stressed ?? .. or a high Revving V8 3.4 to a 3.6 Turbo .. if u look at the retirements at LeMans most LMP2 cars retired with problems at engine or transmission
LMP2 750 Kg power around 550
LMP1 900 Kg power around 6x0 ..

the Audi was 950 Kg at LeMans and power around 550 and still was way ahead of LMP2 cars .

DasModell
06-23-2005, 12:19 AM
no because the R8's are due for retirement as they no longer comply to the 2006 rules


maybe not at LeMans .. butl i've hear that Goh want to start a prototype series in Japan . and R8 could race there still for a couple of years.

nikola scg
06-24-2005, 06:08 AM
do anybody have performances??:D:):(:):(:)

dydzi
06-24-2005, 10:14 AM
do anybody have performances??:D:):(:)

not yet darling :D :) :( :) :o

DasModell
06-24-2005, 01:39 PM
there is no such thing as performance in a race car :D
it's quick enough to win race or not

henk4
06-25-2005, 01:53 AM
there is no such thing as performance in a race car :D
it's quick enough to win race or not

it is most likely going to be slower than a Minardi :D

drakkie
06-25-2005, 02:24 AM
it is most likely going to be slower than a Minardi :D
even I am faster as a minardi on bike :)

DasModell
06-25-2005, 02:54 AM
it is most likely going to be slower than a Minardi :D

everything bar 9 cars are slower than a Minardi :D

nikola scg
06-25-2005, 03:10 AM
do anybody have performance of new porsche LMP2??:D

DasModell
06-25-2005, 04:08 AM
i guess 0-100 kph . in under 2 seconds
and a top speed +400kph ..
0-1/4 mile in under 5 seconds .

happy ?? :)

NuclearCrap
06-25-2005, 05:17 AM
That's because they are built along the exact same aero rules. Just look at the LMP1 and LMP2 Courages.

No, that's not what I meant. Don't you think that LMP2 looks "skinnier" than LMP1?

DasModell
06-25-2005, 08:54 AM
there is no true LMP1 cars .. only hybrids