Eat it Corvette Fans

[Viper007]

A Corvette Owners Worst Nightmare (http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/hennesseyperformance/ItemDetail.php?Item_ID=238&cart=KpPzCqFN&DoThis=Dodge+Viper+SRT10&ActionReq=Where)

I cannot tell you how happy I am right now.

[6'bore]

Very nice, although its just the old GTS with a big wing, which isnt too bad, as the old GTS is the best looking viper there has been.

[baddabang]

HAHA it gives you the price and the "add to backet option"

but thats really a bad ass car.

[Coventrysucks]

255mph.

They've tested that then?

[johnnyperl]

great, but can it take a turn?

Very nice, although its just the old GTS with a big wing, which isnt too bad, as the old GTS is the best looking viper there has been.
since when is 2006 old?

[Pando]

255mph.

They've tested that then?
Doubt it. I believe those 255mph when I see them. Although I have a feeling this car might be on to something (knowing the previous Venoms).

[Clique]

Its all good having slegehammer performance on a straight i wonder how this beast handles around a really twisty technically circuit.
Oversteer Fun at every turn ;-D

[JERNACE]

corvette twin turbo (http://www.fast-autos.net/lingenfelter/lingenfelter427tt.html)
the only reply i have

[taz_rocks_miami]

Give Ligenfelter a big enough check, and they make you a one of a kind Corvette that will top that. :)

[Niko_Fx]

It's a modified Viper, Vettes can be heavily modified as well... Specially that 7.0L beast, lots of potential.

If Dodge want's to become a real challenge then they'll have to focus on beating the Vette in handling... because power, they already have it.

[Dino Scuderia]

The new GTS looks goofy IMO, they updated the lower body and stuck the old roof on it....also it looks like it sits too high.

I wouldn't want to be in it @255mph if it's for real.

[spi-ti-tout]

Always been with the Viper. It's so much more raw...so much more "masculine"

[F1_Master]

Very nice, although its just the old GTS with a big wing, which isnt too bad, as the old GTS is the best looking viper there has been.
2006 Viper SRT-10 Coupe.

No GTS here.

[aNOBLEman]

I'd still rather have a Lingenfelter. Lingenfelter owns Hennessey. :D

[CdocZ]

I'd still rather have a Lingenfelter. Lingenfelter owns Hennessey. :D

If you hadn't converted me, I'd disagree :p

For 1/4 mile monsters, Hennessey wins. But for track and sometimes even "commuter toy" uses, LINGENFELTER SHALL LIVE FOREVER! Hahahahaha, I scare myself sometimes.

[Sweeney921]

hahahah i just put 7 in my shopping cart :)

Drivable? doubt it.

[rev440]

In the last super tuner shootout hennesy did beat lingenfelter

[Vindesh17]

that Lingenfelter Vette does 0-60 in 1.97 sec. How do you think that would feel?

[F1_Master]

that Lingenfelter Vette does 0-60 in 1.97 sec. How do you think that would feel?
Can you say Hospital visit? :(

[CdocZ]

Can you say Hospital visit? :(

Or at least severe bruises and smashing yourself backwards ALOT. I want one........... :(

[Viper007]

Why is the 0-60 2.9 when the other 1000TT is 2.25?

[Spastik_Roach]

You'll need a #%#@$% big basket to fit that in :)

[fpv_gtho]

The war continues it seems...

I'd like to see who the people buying these actually are. You could without much trouble make something just as fast for the money, if not faster

[6'bore]

great, but can it take a turn?

since when is 2006 old?

Since when did you become a smart ass?

[Juggs]

they better hope i never win the lottery....

[VtecMini]

You could without much trouble make something just as fast for the money, if not fasterI was thinkign the same thing, with an Ultima GTR in mind. It wouldn't break down in tears at the sight of a corner, either.

[aNOBLEman]

Why is the 0-60 2.9 when the other 1000TT is 2.25?

In this months R&T the 1000TT did 0-60 in 3.1 so the acceleration claim was very optimistic. Also in the 1/4 mile the Lingenfelter would probably win because it accelerates very quickly and the 1000TT has taller gearing and is geared to hit 220 in 5th gear.

[piston_burner]

In the end, all this fighting over two fast cars that most people here will never own seems like overkill. Both are fasr cars and if one person like Corvettes only or Vipers only fine. I am not sure why people feel like they need to flame each other over the cars they like. The amount effort some put into these things is like they are doing free work for a company because they are spending hours posting how great the car or company they love is.

I guess I will step aside so the mindless fighting can continue.

[pAinTrAin]

1000 thats all?

I know guys that have got over 1200 out of a V8...


I think its sad that the stock viper's V10 is putting out 500hp and the stock corvette Z06's V8 is also putting out 500hp. I would liek to know what kinda hp GM could get out of a V10:D

[F1_Master]

Yeah, but that V8 in the Z06 only beat a RS by .1 seconds on the 'Ring.
Not saying the Viper can beat it though.

[pAinTrAin]

Yeah, but that V8 in the Z06 only beat a RS by .1 seconds on the 'Ring.
Not saying the Viper can beat it though.



LOL a win is a win :D

[fpv_gtho]

1000 thats all?

I know guys that have got over 1200 out of a V8...


I think its sad that the stock viper's V10 is putting out 500hp and the stock corvette Z06's V8 is also putting out 500hp. I would liek to know what kinda hp GM could get out of a V10:D

The cylinder count means shit, if your gunna go about it that way you'd compare the 2 based on the Z06 being 7L and the Viper being 8.3L

[CSL]

Yeah, but that V8 in the Z06 only beat a RS by .1 seconds on the 'Ring.
Not saying the Viper can beat it though.

Put the same tires that were on that RS on the Z06 and i bet there is a big difference


BTW, Hennesey is notorious for crap build quality, no this isint a biased statement, look it up

i dont see to many people buying a 260k dollar viper

[Viper007]

3 have already been bought and 24 are being made so we will see

[shr0olvl]

Found some real pics ! This car is secks on wheels ! :eek:

[Cotterik]

omg thats AMAZING

[RJ 21]

Yea, that 2001 Vette costs about half as much and kills this Viper. And it still gets decent enough MPG, and I'm sure it kills the Viper in handling. Eat what now, hater?

[RJ 21]

The cylinder count means shit, if your gunna go about it that way you'd compare the 2 based on the Z06 being 7L and the Viper being 8.3L

Even better. The Vette Z06 is a 7.0L V8 making 505 HP. The Viper is an 8.3L V10 making 500 HP. :rolleyes:

[early93viper]

The new Z06 is going to be tough for a Viper to go up against (stock for stock or moded for moded). But I think it will be so close it will come down to the driver. I personaly would rather have a SRT-10 than a Z06 any day just because I don't like seeing my car (or at least cars close to my car) 2-5 times a day. Corvettes are just to plentiful. Hell over 1.5 million have been built. Were as only 14,000 vipers have been built. Rarer, more hand built (not one robot is on the viper assembly line), and better looking are just a few qualities I like in the viper. :)

[SIMPLETON]

I personaly would rather have a SRT-10 than a Z06 any day just because I don't like seeing my car (or at least cars close to my car) 2-5 times a day. If its your favorite car, whats wrong with seeing it more than once a day? I love to see Corvettes.
Corvettes are just to plentiful. Hell over 1.5 million have been built. Were as only 14,000 vipers have been built. Well thats awfully easy to say when your car has only been built ~15 years conpared to the more than 50 years of the Vette.

Woo, 600 posts

[CSL]

The new Z06 is going to be tough for a Viper to go up against (stock for stock or moded for moded). But I think it will be so close it will come down to the driver. I personaly would rather have a SRT-10 than a Z06 any day just because I don't like seeing my car (or at least cars close to my car) 2-5 times a day. Corvettes are just to plentiful. Hell over 1.5 million have been built. Were as only 14,000 vipers have been built. Rarer, more hand built (not one robot is on the viper assembly line), and better looking are just a few qualities I like in the viper. :)


You really think they will be close in performance? Why not ignore the fact they have the same power and the Z06 weighs a lot less.

Corvettes are plentiful, well of course seeing they have been around since 1953.

better looking is your own opinon

[SIMPLETON]

You really think they will be close in performance? Why not ignore the fact they have the same power and the Z06 weighs a lot less.

Corvettes are plentiful, well of course seeing they have been around since 1953.

better looking is your own opinon
Good to see we're both on the same page. I'd hate to argue on this topic alone.

[CSL]

Good to see we're both on the same page. I'd hate to argue on this topic alone.

It also has to do with demand for a car, Vipers are not in high demand unlike Corvettes


and even if he does see more than 1 a day, its still going to be a car that can beat a Viper, along with some of the best from Ferrari, Porsche, BMW ect

[rev440]

I hate to say it but the vette will smoke the viper. But have a hell of a time with the GT.

[shr0olvl]

The C6 Z06 SUPPOSEDLY ran a the quarter mile in 11.5 @ 127mph.

This was SUPPOSEDLY run by MT's Detroit guy who is supposedly not their best driver. The best Ford GT ET recorded by the major mags was 11.2 @ 131mph.

If these times are true then the Z06 is going to make a lot of Ford Fanboys very nervous...here's the first of what will be lots of evidence.

[Niko_Fx]

You really think they will be close in performance? Why not ignore the fact they have the same power and the Z06 weighs a lot less.

I do believe that the new Z06 will rip apart the SRT-10 on a track and win by a small difference on a straight... But the accel is pretty much the same, a driver could define the outcome of the race for the SRT-10 (straight line). BTW, not that it matters much (still cannot be excluded), the SRT has 40lbs of torque more than the C6 Z06.

I would take an SRT-10 for everyday driving. Like early93 said, uniqueness and looks would pretty much do it for me.

For track usage I'd definitely go with the C6 Z06.... as I previously said, Dodge needs to improve the Viper's handling, specially after knowing that even a regular C6 will get as good lap times.

[ZeTurbo]

255mph on a convertible? thats insane.

[early93viper]

Sometimes reading to many magazines turns are brains to mush. Let me tell you a true life story.

When the regular C6 came out I went to the Olathe, KS Chevy dealership to take a look at it. I pulled up to see a bright orange c6 (I was impressed...Good looking car). I decided the best comparison would be if I parked my Viper right next to the C6.LOL Then the it happened. Customers, sales men & women, and mechanics swarm over to my 12 year old car passing up a brand new C6 in a bright orange color. I couldn't stop answering questions about my car from Mob of people. I tried to talk to a sales man about the C6 and got cut off by questions concerning my Viper. Finally after the mob subsided I started talking to a sales man (who obviously wanted to sell me the car) about the C6. In which another sales man interrupted are conversation and said..... "I would keep the Viper" LOL :). That’s right a CHEVY sales man said he would keep the 12 year old Viper over a brand new Vet.




No doubt the C6 Z06 is going to be a great car but it just isn't as exciting as a Viper.

And with the weight (c6) vs torque (SRT-10) it will be a close race. Wining will probably be dependent on the driver. Especially on a road course where both cars will shine.

The fact remains for under 90k it is hard to find a car faster on a road course or in a straight line than the SRT-10. It is an increadible car.

[Bob]

the vipers the more exotic car- more torque, v10, and of course its from Dodge, which means something to anyone who remembers the muscle car era, but the vette will do better in racing, costs less, and drives better in everyday conditions.

I'd rather have a viper, but its close between the two.

[RJ 21]

Sometimes reading to many magazines turns are brains to mush. Let me tell you a true life story.

When the regular C6 came out I went to the Olathe, KS Chevy dealership to take a look at it. I pulled up to see a bright orange c6 (I was impressed...Good looking car). I decided the best comparison would be if I parked my Viper right next to the C6.LOL Then the it happened. Customers, sales men & women, and mechanics swarm over to my 12 year old car passing up a brand new C6 in a bright orange color. I couldn't stop answering questions about my car from Mob of people. I tried to talk to a sales man about the C6 and got cut off by questions concerning my Viper. Finally after the mob subsided I started talking to a sales man (who obviously wanted to sell me the car) about the C6. In which another sales man interrupted are conversation and said..... "I would keep the Viper" LOL :). That’s right a CHEVY sales man said he would keep the 12 year old Viper over a brand new Vet.




No doubt the C6 Z06 is going to be a great car but it just isn't as exciting as a Viper.

And with the weight (c6) vs torque (SRT-10) it will be a close race. Wining will probably be dependent on the driver. Especially on a road course where both cars will shine.

The fact remains for under 90k it is hard to find a car faster on a road course or in a straight line than the SRT-10. It is an increadible car.
Well, looks like the Vette is one of those rare cars, eh? Besides, you're talkign stock C6, which I would still prefer over the ugly Viper, no offense. The Z06 will stomp the venom out of your Viper. Take that to the bank. Just a few mods on that 7.0L V8... OOOHH BABY! :cool:

[CSL]

Sometimes reading to many magazines turns are brains to mush. Let me tell you a true life story.

When the regular C6 came out I went to the Olathe, KS Chevy dealership to take a look at it. I pulled up to see a bright orange c6 (I was impressed...Good looking car). I decided the best comparison would be if I parked my Viper right next to the C6.LOL Then the it happened. Customers, sales men & women, and mechanics swarm over to my 12 year old car passing up a brand new C6 in a bright orange color. I couldn't stop answering questions about my car from Mob of people. I tried to talk to a sales man about the C6 and got cut off by questions concerning my Viper. Finally after the mob subsided I started talking to a sales man (who obviously wanted to sell me the car) about the C6. In which another sales man interrupted are conversation and said..... "I would keep the Viper" LOL :). That’s right a CHEVY sales man said he would keep the 12 year old Viper over a brand new Vet.




No doubt the C6 Z06 is going to be a great car but it just isn't as exciting as a Viper.

And with the weight (c6) vs torque (SRT-10) it will be a close race. Wining will probably be dependent on the driver. Especially on a road course where both cars will shine.

The fact remains for under 90k it is hard to find a car faster on a road course or in a straight line than the SRT-10. It is an increadible car.

Very very few salesmen are car guys and if you think im kidding take into consideration ive sold cars for Chevy and worked for Mercedes. Chances are he felt like you werent going to buy so it was better to get rid of you so he can go make money off other people. So you saying a Chevy salesman told me to keep my viper means nothing because all he cares about is wether or not he can get your money.

You really think 40 pounds of torque will make a big difference when a Z06 weighs 278 pounds less? The cars will shine on a road course? Well i highly doubt the Viper is going to come close to touching the Z06 there. The Z06 is afterall one of the fastest production cars ever on the Ring. The Viper roadster was only capable of matching the M5


Its not that hard to find a car faster than a viper on a road course, Z06, 911 Carrera S (997) are both faster

[CSL]

the vipers the more exotic car- more torque, v10, and of course its from Dodge, which means something to anyone who remembers the muscle car era, but the vette will do better in racing, costs less, and drives better in everyday conditions.

I'd rather have a viper, but its close between the two.

Like Chevy wasant in the muscle car era? 70 Chevelle 454? Camaro? El Camino?, Nova? ect ect ect

[Bob]

Like Chevy wasant in the muscle car era? 70 Chevelle 454? Camaro? El Camino?, Nova? ect ect ect
No no I didn't mean that, and I actually like chevy's styling better than Dodge in most cases, they were certainly competitive, but Mopar was clearly dominant and the hemi was the best engine at the time. They didn't win all the time, but everyone on the track and at the street respected mopar power.

[early93viper]

Very very few salesmen are car guys and if you think im kidding take into consideration ive sold cars for Chevy and worked for Mercedes. Chances are he felt like you werent going to buy so it was better to get rid of you so he can go make money off other people. So you saying a Chevy salesman told me to keep my viper means nothing because all he cares about is wether or not he can get your money.

You really think 40 pounds of torque will make a big difference when a Z06 weighs 278 pounds less? The cars will shine on a road course? Well i highly doubt the Viper is going to come close to touching the Z06 there. The Z06 is afterall one of the fastest production cars ever on the Ring. The Viper roadster was only capable of matching the M5


Its not that hard to find a car faster than a viper on a road course, Z06, 911 Carrera S (997) are both faster

LOL

Well I know you guys like to magazine race so here you go:

These are lap times from Nurburgring. The times are from the German car magazine Sport Auto.

The laps where all done by the SAME driver on a dry track. With a Europeon Viper that has less HP than a USA Viper


Car Time Comment
Porsche 996 GT2 7 min 46 sec
Porsche 996 Turbo 7 min 56 sec
Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo 7 min 57 sec 600 HP, racing suspension
Porsche 996 GT3 8 min 9 sec
Ferrari 550 8 min 7 sec
Lamborghini Diablo SV 8 min 9 sec
Ferrari 360 Modena 8 min 9 sec
Chrysler Viper GTS 8 min 10 sec +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Porsche 993 Turbo 8 min 12 sec 430 HP version
BMW Z8 8 min 15 sec 400 HP
Porsche 996 C2 8 min 17 sec
Ferrari F355 8 min 18 sec
BMW M Coupe 8 min 22 sec 321 HP
Audi RS4 8 min 25 sec 375 HP
Porsche 993 C2 8 min 28 sec
BMW M5 8 min 28 sec 400 HP
Porsche Boxster S 8 min 32 sec
BMW M3 Coupe 8 min 35 sec 321 HP
Honda NSX 8 min 38 sec
Honds S 2000 8 min 39 sec
Chevrolet Corvette 8 min 40 sec
Audi S4 8 min 42 sec 265 HP
Lotus Exige 8 min 42 sec
Jaguar XKR Coupe 8 min 49 sec
Mercedes CLK 430 8 min 52 sec


TOP GEAR magazine track times put the Viper at 128.5 IN THE WET (I don't have to tell you Vipers don't handle very well in the wet with as much TQ as they have.) with the same driver (the stig).
* Mercedes-Mclaren SLR - 1.20.9
* Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3
* Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1.22.3
* Lamborghini Murcielago - 1.23.7
* Pagani Zonda - 1.23.8
* Koenigsegg - 1.23.9
* Noble M12 GTO-3 - 1.25.0
* Lamborghini Gallardo - 1.25.8
* Lotus Exige - 1.26.4
* Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
* TVR T350c - 1.27.5
* BMW M3 CSL - 1.28.0
* SRT-10 Viper-128.5+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
* MG SV - 1.28.6
* Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII - 1.28.9
* Alpina Roadster (Z8) - 1.29.0
* Subaru Impreza STi - 1.30.1
* Aston Martin DB7 GT - 1.30.4
* Audi S4 - 1.30.9
* Porsche 911 Turbo - 1.31.0
* Vauxhall VX220 Turbo - 1.31.3
* Honda NSX Type R - 1.31.6
* BMW M3 - 1.31.8
* Nissan 350Z - 1.31.8
* Mazda RX-8 - 1.31.8
* Ford Focus RS - 1.32.2
* Lotus Esprit V8 - 1.32.5
* Audi TT V6 - 1.32.7
* Noble M12 - 1.33.1
* Mercedes SL55 AMG - 1.33.2
* VW Golf R32 - 1.33.2
* Volvo S60R - 1.35.0
* Ferrari 575 - 1.35.2
* Alfa Romeo 147 GTA - 1.35.6
* Lotus Elise - 1.35.6
* Aston Martin Vanquish - 1.36.2
* Renault Clio V6 - 1.36.2
* Honda Civic Type R - 1.36.5
* Saab 9-5 HOT Aero - 1.37.9
* Maserati Coupe - 1.38.0
* Bowler Wildcat - 1.39.4
* Bentley Arnarge - 1.40.8
* Range Rover overfinch - 1.44.0

[early93viper]

Here is an article from R&T comparing the Elise to the Viper in handling:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=2489&page_number=5




Here is a Video of a 96 Viper and some Ferrari Compitition. Please don't post this anywhere else.

www.nickdiaz.com/transfer/don/EnzoFerrari_Pacific_Raceway_6805_Narrated.wmv

[CSL]

last time i checked the Viper GTS is not the SRT10

the same guy lapped the SRT10 at 8.13, just 2 seconds faster than the C6 corvette

The Regular C6 is also faster than the SRT-10 at hockenhiem
Viper 1.14.9
Corvette 1.14.8

[F1_Master]

Better update the list early.
The Carrera GT beat the SLR on Top Gear.

Off-topic, but you know. :D

[F1_Master]

Here is an article from R&T comparing the Elise to the Viper in handling:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=2489&page_number=5




Here is a Video of a 96 Viper and some Ferrari Compitition. Please don't post this anywhere else.

www.nickdiaz.com/transfer/don/EnzoFerrari_Pacific_Raceway_6805_Narrated.wmv
About the video....NO offence man, but the Ferraris weren't giving those cars their full power.

["Clevor" Angel]

That viper is insane, I've actually seen a Hennessey Venom viper at one of the upper class car shows around town, had a timeslip with low 11's though!

That may be a corvette lovers worst nightmare but consider this gentlemen.
A 10 Liter Boss 429 powered 94 mustang

This car made 855 horsepower, 790 lb.-ft., and it ran (if you could get enough traction), 0-60 in 1.9 seconds, 0-100 in 5.5 seconds, and the quarter-mile in 10.55 seconds @ 135.05 mph.

As for something you can actually buy,(sort of) almost nothing can beat the venom vipers!

[RJ 21]

The Vette that Lingenfelter tuned matched the 0-60 and killed that 'stang in the 1/4. And, it goes for $145K... That's insanity. That's a world record car.

[CSL]

The Vette that Lingenfelter tuned matched the 0-60 and killed that 'stang in the 1/4. And, it goes for $145K... That's insanity. That's a world record car.

Its the one motortrend put against the blue angels F18 hornet

0-60 in 1.9

1/4 mile in 9. something

[early93viper]

last time i checked the Viper GTS is not the SRT10

the same guy lapped the SRT10 at 8.13, just 2 seconds faster than the C6 corvette

The Regular C6 is also faster than the SRT-10 at hockenhiem
Viper 1.14.9
Corvette 1.14.8


An SRT10 is faster than a GTS (stock vs Stock) trust me I have driven both hard. A SRT10 has a little more HP, a little better handling, a little better aerodynamics, and LOT better brakes. Some things wrong if the same guy lapped a SRT-10 at 8.13 and a GTS at 8:10. Maybe it was track conditions?

Not saying your hockenhiem info is wrong. But the only thing I can think of to why the regular C6 would beat a SRT-10 on a road course would be lack of experience with the SRT-10. As it takes a lot to get familiar with any viper. Next to a countach Vipers are the most intimidating car I have ever driven.

Just out of curiosity please post the article with the C6 beating the Viper at hockenhiem.

The Viper and especially the viper SRT-10 is an incredible performer at a race track I can tell you that from personal experience. I have driven some great cars in my life (Countach, Ferrari 308, Ferrari 365 GT 2+2, countless corvettes including a C5 Z06 on an autocross track, etc.) and I have to say the SRT-10 is faster than all on a road course or in a straight line.

[CSL]

An SRT10 is faster than a GTS (stock vs Stock) trust me I have driven both hard. A SRT10 has a little more HP, a little better handling, a little better aerodynamics, and LOT better brakes. Some things wrong if the same guy lapped a SRT-10 at 8.13 and a GTS at 8:10. Maybe it was track conditions?

Not saying your hockenhiem info is wrong. But the only thing I can think of to why the regular C6 would beat a SRT-10 on a road course would be lack of experience with the SRT-10. As it takes a lot to get familiar with any viper. Next to a countach Vipers are the most intimidating car I have ever driven.

Just out of curiosity please post the article with the C6 beating the Viper at hockenhiem.

The Viper and especially the viper SRT-10 is an incredible performer at a race track I can tell you that from personal experience. I have driven some great cars in my life (Countach, Ferrari 308, Ferrari 365 GT 2+2, countless corvettes including a C5 Z06 on an autocross track, etc.) and I have to say the SRT-10 is faster than all on a road course or in a straight line.

http://www.track-challenge.com/singletest1_e.asp?Car=79
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=0&tID=46738

the 2001 Z06 matched the time of the SRT10 at hockenhiem


"Takes a lot to get used to a viper", seeing the guy has driven cars like the Carrera GT, Zonda C12 S, Murcielago, im sure he can get used to a viper

Your comment on the cars you have driven, unless you have times to prove the Viper is faster than you really cant say its faster. I can take a honda civic around a track and make you think its really fast.

From the show 5th gear when comparing the C6 to the SRT10

on the Viper
im sorry to be so down on this car but there is not one thing i like about it, its just absolut garbage,

The viper might win the race (was actually holding the vette up) but we could never recomend it so if you want American Muscle, save your 30 grand and buy the vette. Tiff needle

[early93viper]

http://www.track-challenge.com/singletest1_e.asp?Car=79
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=0&tID=46738

the 2001 Z06 matched the time of the SRT10 at hockenhiem


"Takes a lot to get used to a viper", seeing the guy has driven cars like the Carrera GT, Zonda C12 S, Murcielago, im sure he can get used to a viper

Your comment on the cars you have driven, unless you have times to prove the Viper is faster than you really cant say its faster. I can take a honda civic around a track and make you think its really fast.

From the show 5th gear when comparing the C6 to the SRT10

on the Viper
im sorry to be so down on this car but there is not one thing i like about it, its just absolut garbage,

The viper might win the race (was actually holding the vette up) but we could never recomend it so if you want American Muscle, save your 30 grand and buy the vette. Tiff needle


Did you see the Top gear episode on the C6? They HATED it. They put an NSX up against it in a 1/4 mile race and it lost (I know it's BULL SH#T but they said it did). Opinions are like a$$ holes. I have every article on the Viper from Road and Track and they love it. Hell even Jeremy Clarkson likes it. Car and Driver likes it, Motor trend, etc.

I really like the Vette great car. Just not for me. If I wanted more of an every day driver it would fit the bill. But the Viper just fells more special. It's a more fun car to drive.

I don't want to sound like a A$$ but I think I am the only one here who has driven both. And therfore think my opinion on both is more valid.

[Matra et Alpine]

Did you see the Top gear episode on the C6? They HATED it. They put an NSX up against it in a 1/4 mile race and it lost (I know it's BULL SH#T but they said it did). Opinions are like a$$ holes.
hee-hee.
yep.
The Top Gear episode was a FACTUAL demonstration of a race.
Your OPINION is that it shodun't have been that way.

I think you may have wished to have commented about the driver chosen or the tyres or something as it was NOT opinion :D

I have every article on the Viper from Road and Track and they love it. Hell even Jeremy Clarkson likes it. Car and Driver likes it, Motor trend, etc.

IF you listened then you realise WHY they dont' like it.
We've said it often abotu large engined, large sportscars. They dont' suit our roads, our driving or our preferences. Jsut as 10,000 rpm engines "hurt" so many muscle car fans.

I really like the Vette great car. Just not for me. If I wanted more of an every day driver it would fit the bill. But the Viper just fells more special. It's a more fun car to drive.

I don't want to sound like a A$$ but I think I am the only one here who has driven both. And therfore think my opinion on both is more valid.
They didnt' let me drive the Viper at the Euro launch, but been in it.
You'r opinion on your evaluation of both is totally valid. But that doens't make it "right" just as the begative comments on the difficulty driving a Viper on UK roads doesn't make the Viper the "wrong" car for the USA freeways.

It's all about perspective.

oh and price, dont' forget when imported to Europe these cars become EXPENSIVE :(

[CSL]

Did you see the Top gear episode on the C6? They HATED it. They put an NSX up against it in a 1/4 mile race and it lost (I know it's BULL SH#T but they said it did). Opinions are like a$$ holes. I have every article on the Viper from Road and Track and they love it. Hell even Jeremy Clarkson likes it. Car and Driver likes it, Motor trend, etc.

I really like the Vette great car. Just not for me. If I wanted more of an every day driver it would fit the bill. But the Viper just fells more special. It's a more fun car to drive.

I don't want to sound like a A$$ but I think I am the only one here who has driven both. And therfore think my opinion on both is more valid.

Did you see top gear for the viper? it was one big joke if you couldnt tell

Clarkson said "Whatever, you could definitely use GT4 as a device for trying out your next car, especially if you’re thinking of buying a Viper. That’s just as undriveable in the game as it is on the M6."

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1722790,00.html

Clarkson changes his opinon with the amount of money a company is paying to buy his opionin. You dont think it true, you quoted teh very best piece of bias when concering american cars.

"But actually it isn’t. It is an extremely likeable car and you can easily forget the railway junction gearbox and the jiggly ride and the cigarette-paper quality when you examine the price tag. It’s likely to be about £45,000.

So there we are. The only thing that would stop me buying one is my wife. But since you’re not married to her, I’d go right ahead."

Sure seemed like he hated it on the TV show didnt he?


You are the only one who has driven both? I have also on both on regular roads and the Corvette on a track so dont go and say your opinon is more valid. The Z06 felt every bit as fast once you hit the turns than the viper. It didnt match the speed of the Viper off the line but thats what you get against a car with 500+ hp

Ive driven 4 Z06's, 1 2001, 2 2002 and 1 Commerative edition
ive driven 3 Vipers, 1 SRT10, 2 GTS

And if you wanna go on, ive driven the Lambo murclelago, 911GT2, Ferrari 550, 360 modena, 911 turbo, M3, M5, E55, SL55, C55 so i know all about fast cars as well and my opinon is more than valid and is not one of a fanboy like you are thinking

[CSL]

hee-hee.
yep.
The Top Gear episode was a FACTUAL demonstration of a race.
Your OPINION is that it shodun't have been that way.
:(

The best part of the whole corvette vs nsx thing on that show was all the Porsche fanboys having a good time. Then the American car magazines tested the car and got times as quick as a 997 911 carrera S. They never brought it up again seeing if a Corvette at 4.3 seconds to 60 cant beat a NSX either can the Porsche

[Matra et Alpine]

Clarkson changes his opinon with the amount of money a company is paying to buy his opionin. You dont think it true, you quoted teh very best piece of bias when concering american cars.
it is 100% WRONG !!

In fact manufacturers are wary of GIVING him equipment to test because they CANT influence him !

Deronda passed up a chance to be featured on the show as they were still doing the prototype testing for final suspension setups and they NEW he would focus on the problems and ignore the benefits of such a focussed car.

I think the fact he slagged of your favourite cars is biasing your POV :)

[Matra et Alpine]

The best part of the whole corvette vs nsx thing on that show was all the Porsche fanboys having a good time. Then the American car magazines tested the car and got times as quick as a 997 911 carrera S. They never brought it up again seeing if a Corvette at 4.3 seconds to 60 cant beat a NSX either can the Porsche
Which "mags" are you talking about ??

0-60
05 Carrera S: 4.2
05 Corvette: 4.8
02 NSX: 5.0

1/4 mile Run
05 Carrera S: 12.8 @ 109 mph
02 NSX: 13.1 @ 109 mph
05 Corvette: 13.2 @ 112 mph

0-60 and 1/4 mile run info is from Motorweek's Road Test below:
NSX Road Test on Motorweek (http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2131a.shtml)
C6 & Carrera S Road Test on Motorweek (http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2425.shtml)

[Niko_Fx]

it is 100% WRONG !!

Peter, just out of curiosity.

I read this at the Koenigsegg CC8S comment section a couple of weeks ago and I couldn't stop thinking about it for a while... I don't agree nor disagree, but what do you think? Could it be possible?


I spoke personally to Christian von Koenigsegg and asked him why the Zonda beat it. He told me that Top Gear had simply changed the time they had recorded for some reason he didn't know... He thought it was since England is Paganis biggest market they had made a deal with Top Gear in order to promote their car... Christian is a respectable man and I have no reason to doubt him.

[Matra et Alpine]

reeks niko.

IF they changed figures then he could take them to court. He hasn't so he must know that's not the case :)

Also, is he not just talking abotu that fun they have about verbally adjusting times for wet/dry etc. If I ever have nothing to do and am bored it woudl be interesting to go back to the episodes and chacek. AND to e-mail Christian and ask him for his explanation :)

Sounds like sour grapes - coudl this possibly have been at the time when almost ALL the press were lambasting Koenigsegg for their initial figures that none of the cars coudl meet ??????

Sounds like sour grapes. Next time you speak to Christian, ask him for more details on the "numbers" changed :D

[Niko_Fx]

Fair enough.

[CSL]

Which "mags" are you talking about ??

0-60
05 Carrera S: 4.2
05 Corvette: 4.8
02 NSX: 5.0

1/4 mile Run
05 Carrera S: 12.8 @ 109 mph
02 NSX: 13.1 @ 109 mph
05 Corvette: 13.2 @ 112 mph

0-60 and 1/4 mile run info is from Motorweek's Road Test below:
NSX Road Test on Motorweek (http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2131a.shtml)
C6 & Carrera S Road Test on Motorweek (http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2425.shtml)

Car and Driver
0-60 4.3--1/4th 12.7@113
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=8423&page_number=4

Road And Track
0-60 4.4 1/4 [email protected]
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0412_comparo_data.pdf

Corvette Convertible
0-60 4.8 1/4 13.2@107
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0409_corvette_data_panel.pdf

Motortrend
0-60 4.4 , 1/4th [email protected]
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0501_brothers/index6.html

[Matra et Alpine]

Thanks, so the score from those FOUR would seem to be only ONE has the 'vette faster 0-60 and TWO faster 1/4.

Thanks confirms it's not quite the "definitive" faster I took from your message, which confused the results a little. Differences between mags are inevitable and it's generally best to take weighted averages rather than the "quickest" as so many reasons coudl exist for the extreme edges of a distribution of results.

[pAinTrAin]

Chrysler Viper GTS:confused:.....I know Chrysler owns dodge but saying that doesn't sound right

[CdocZ]

Chrysler Viper GTS:confused:.....I know Chrysler owns dodge but saying that doesn't sound right

I know, I hate it. It just doesn't sound like the intimidating semi-flowy name, "Dodge Viper".

[early93viper]

Thanks, so the score from those FOUR would seem to be only ONE has the 'vette faster 0-60 and TWO faster 1/4.

Thanks confirms it's not quite the "definitive" faster I took from your message, which confused the results a little. Differences between mags are inevitable and it's generally best to take weighted averages rather than the "quickest" as so many reasons coudl exist for the extreme edges of a distribution of results.

LOL even NSX owners know the real deal:

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50975&highlight=corvette+NSX

At a 110 horsepower and 170+ ft lbs more torque IT IS DEFINITIVELY FASTER. :D

[Matra et Alpine]

LOL even NSX owners know the real deal:

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50975&highlight=corvette+NSX

At a 110 horsepower and 170+ ft lbs more torque IT IS DEFINITIVELY FASTER. :D
I only read scanned about 50% of it, but it's not quite as one sided as you suggest.

YES. Some posts question it. But soem also confirm it :)

Surprisingly ( acually maybe NOT given the knowledge of most posters on forums :) ) there is no mention of the mid engine layout of the NSX providing better grip and hence traction and hence acceleration. As you've posted , so it's 110 horsepower down, but you've ignored grip. In THIS case, what mods or setup and fueling, especially for a European spec'ed car ??

[early93viper]

I only read scanned about 50% of it, but it's not quite as one sided as you suggest.

YES. Some posts question it. But soem also confirm it :)

Surprisingly ( acually maybe NOT given the knowledge of most posters on forums :) ) there is no mention of the mid engine layout of the NSX providing better grip and hence traction and hence acceleration. As you've posted , so it's 110 horsepower down, but you've ignored grip. In THIS case, what mods or setup and fueling, especially for a European spec'ed car ??


You are living in another world. These are NSX OWNERS some have owned both an NSX and a Corvette. THESE ARE THE KNOWLEDGABLE people on the car. Not some magazine Editor who drove the car for a day.

There were 98 posts on that thread I count one that said the NSX could beat it. ON A NSX FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!

The little more Grip the NSX has from being mid-engined doesn't add up to 110hp or 170ft lbs of torque.

[Matra et Alpine]

The little more Grip the NSX has from being mid-engined doesn't add up to 110hp or 170ft lbs of torque.
Clearly it DID on the day at TG :)
Also you've ignored the point I posted about different spec cars. Europe and US spec Japanese cars are DIFFERENT. By how much I'm not sure.

What you are using is opinion in a forum against a measured test on the day.
You've no way to measure the points raised in those opinions, what cars, what tyres, what specs.

I'm not saying the NSX is fastest. I WAS only pointing out the clear bias exposed in claiming TG was in some way in "error" without thinking the hundred ways it CAN happen that way. I posted factual numebrs from a mag. I pointed out that only one QUARTER of the test you vited were actually "better". Even building in some leaway for variance in tests, that's a pretty conclusinve balnce opposed to the opinion you expressed.

Weight transfer on a mid engine car can put an extra 500kg on the rear tyres. THAT can increase the footprint easily bt 25-33% THAT FOOTPRINT can then transfer 25-33% MORE USABLE POWER. The 110hp becomes about the right figure then > See it CAN make a difference :)

PS: It's not the EDITOR who drives the car, writes the test :) It's the journalists. and it's not "A" it was a number of journalists. YOU provided the links I'm only passing on what they said :D

[CSL]

Clearly it DID on the day at TG :)
Also you've ignored the point I posted about different spec cars. Europe and US spec Japanese cars are DIFFERENT. By how much I'm not sure.

What you are using is opinion in a forum against a measured test on the day.
You've no way to measure the points raised in those opinions, what cars, what tyres, what specs.

I'm not saying the NSX is fastest. I WAS only pointing out the clear bias exposed in claiming TG was in some way in "error" without thinking the hundred ways it CAN happen that way. I posted factual numebrs from a mag. I pointed out that only one QUARTER of the test you vited were actually "better". Even building in some leaway for variance in tests, that's a pretty conclusinve balnce opposed to the opinion you expressed.

Weight transfer on a mid engine car can put an extra 500kg on the rear tyres. THAT can increase the footprint easily bt 25-33% THAT FOOTPRINT can then transfer 25-33% MORE USABLE POWER. The 110hp becomes about the right figure then > See it CAN make a difference :)

PS: It's not the EDITOR who drives the car, writes the test :) It's the journalists. and it's not "A" it was a number of journalists. YOU provided the links I'm only passing on what they said :D


hahaha you think the test wasant bias? i gave 3 magazines with 3 of 4 being faster and the one that was slower was the convertible. If it wasant bias please explain the parts of the video where the corvette and NSX should be cleary seen together. If a car is faster than another car 6 and a half days a week, 1 test by obviously bias reporters will not change that

The NSX was no special edition, it was a regular NSX and even the NSXR could not beat the Corvette in a straight line

[Matra et Alpine]

hahaha you think the test wasant bias? i gave 3 magazines with 3 of 4 being faster and the one that was slower was the convertible. If it wasant bias please explain the parts of the video where the corvette and NSX should be cleary seen together. If a car is faster than another car 6 and a half days a week, 1 test by obviously bias reporters will not change that
The TG vids are multiple runs so they can get multiple angles etc for better TV coverage. The "it was fixed because one shot we can see the cars together and on anther shot we can't they cheated" is old-hat and show s a distinct lack of knowledge on TV show production :)

It's your "obvious bias" because YOUR bias doesnt' liek the 'vette being "slandered" I was pointing out by giveing numebrs at odds that were NOT from TG. So is it that everyoen who reports poorer 'vette numbers is biased or what ??
:D


The NSX was no special edition, it was a regular NSX and even the NSXR could not beat the Corvette in a straight line
Which spec corvette ? which fuels, which tyres, which spec NSX-R ??

I agree with you, that on average I'd expect the bigger power curve of the 'vette to win it out on drags against the NSX. BUT all test are just samples. Because one doesnt' conform to the preferred upper end of the bellcurve for fans does NOT mean they are then biased. The ONLY poitn I'm trying to communicate. If you dont' see it or agree with it fine.

BUT at least don't distort the numebrs YOU presented in http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=359874&postcount=73 The Road&Track number you posted as the second was the 911 time, not the slower 'vette time. If you go and look at the actual comparison posted too the 'vette isnt' faster 0-60. I'm not sure how you're seeing these numbers as different from the point posted that the 997 was booking faster 0-60 than the 'vette. Please point out where it isnt' in those reposrt. Thanks.

[Niko_Fx]

Best Motoring squeezed 12.7 out of an NSX-S, and according to what you guys have provided, the best time for the C6 is 12.6 by Motortrend... So it's pretty possible to have an NSX win a drag race against a C6, it only takes a slightly better driver to do so.

I do believe the C6 to be a quicker car though, and if TG's test would have been done a couple of times I'm sure they would have gotten different outcomes... Most likely with the Vette winning most of them.

Why is the NSX in this thread to begin with?? Leave my precious alone, go back to the Vette vs Viper fight ;)

[CSL]

The TG vids are multiple runs so they can get multiple angles etc for better TV coverage. The "it was fixed because one shot we can see the cars together and on anther shot we can't they cheated" is old-hat and show s a distinct lack of knowledge on TV show production :)

It's your "obvious bias" because YOUR bias doesnt' liek the 'vette being "slandered" I was pointing out by giveing numebrs at odds that were NOT from TG. So is it that everyoen who reports poorer 'vette numbers is biased or what ??
:D


Which spec corvette ? which fuels, which tyres, which spec NSX-R ??

I agree with you, that on average I'd expect the bigger power curve of the 'vette to win it out on drags against the NSX. BUT all test are just samples. Because one doesnt' conform to the preferred upper end of the bellcurve for fans does NOT mean they are then biased. The ONLY poitn I'm trying to communicate. If you dont' see it or agree with it fine.

BUT at least don't distort the numebrs YOU presented in http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=359874&postcount=73 The Road&Track number you posted as the second was the 911 time, not the slower 'vette time. If you go and look at the actual comparison posted too the 'vette isnt' faster 0-60. I'm not sure how you're seeing these numbers as different from the point posted that the 997 was booking faster 0-60 than the 'vette. Please point out where it isnt' in those reposrt. Thanks.

i said as fast as a 911, 1 tenth of a second isint a huge difference, i was comparing the times directly to the NSX

[early93viper]

Weight transfer on a mid engine car can put an extra 500kg on the rear tyres. THAT can increase the footprint easily bt 25-33% THAT FOOTPRINT can then transfer 25-33% MORE USABLE POWER. The 110hp becomes about the right figure then > See it CAN make a difference :)



Your math is very wrong. Just because a car has a 25%-33% bigger footprint (and by the way the nsx doesn't-Its laughable that you got that number by adding the weight to the rear tyres) doesn't mean it puts 25%-33% more power down the whole race. It might at the start of the race (for a fraction of a second) but not during the whole race once it gets traction it means very little.

[Matra et Alpine]

Your math is very wrong. Just because a car has a 25%-33% bigger footprint (and by the way the nsx doesn't-Its laughable that you got that number by adding the weight to the rear tyres) doesn't mean it puts 25%-33% more power down the whole race. It might at the start of the race (for a fraction of a second) but not during the whole race once it gets traction it means very little.
My math is NOT wrong other than by "approximation" ....

I talked about WEIGHT TRANSFER. I never said the whole race !!. So the initial hook-up when a rear/mid engine car has a much quicker transfer to the rears as the rear suspension dips. IN a 0-60 time the inital launch is a critical moment and those first few fractions of a second make a BIG difference in overal time and terminal speeds. ( I dont' say this from a perspective of knowledge on drag strips but from racing where the same figures hold on flagged starts and exits from apex of corners )

To put power 'down" you need traction. Otherwise all the power to the rear spins the tyres and doesn't hook-up. So the tyre footprint makes a BIG difference to the USABLE POWER for any vehicle. IF you have a vehicle whcih has a lesser weight trasnfer then it has a smaller footprint tyre and because of that is cannot then use all the power available. A cars acceleration is fundamentally determined by the tyre's ability to grip. It's the reason why their is a limiting factor on the lower end of the weight scale - you finally reach a point where the weight on a tyre and footprint is too small for the power avaialble and no amount of effort can make it faster. We're assumign normal road tyres here with normal grip levels as higher grip tyres extended the period of time of the inital launch and change the maths for the impact of weight transfer to the extenet that the ultimately grippiest tyre can retain grip for long enough for 100% of weight to be bn the rearrs for a period of time - this is why so many drag cars are phenomonal on 1/4 but can be beaten on 0-60 !!

As to "laughable" can you describe for me how you think the footprint adjusts as weight transfers on a vehicle ? I've got a pretty clear picture and I've given you approximate numbers, I'm happy to hear a perspective on the US version of the car and tyres. Also if you could expand on why inital traction doesnt' matter for a whole 0-60 and 1/4 I'm intrigued.

[Matra et Alpine]

i said as fast as a 911, 1 tenth of a second isint a huge difference, i was comparing the times directly to the NSX
ah sorry I thought we were discussing the 'vette !!

Even then though, the motortrend number is 2 tenths different. So 1 tenth isn't huge and 2 tenths is. Which in reality is actually 0.05-0.15 is significant and 0.15-0.25 isn't due to rounding to one decimal place. So it may ONLY be 0.01 different :o or it could be 0.29 :) That's math for you - but these are real world events so we can stick with 0.2s but I dont' see how then 0.1s becomes insignificant and another 0.1s doesn't :) That's a personal thing, we all draw lines for our own reasons at limits we think are or arent' important in comparisons.

[early93viper]

My math is NOT wrong other than by "approximation" ....

I talked about WEIGHT TRANSFER. I never said the whole race !!. So the initial hook-up when a rear/mid engine car has a much quicker transfer to the rears as the rear suspension dips. IN a 0-60 time the inital launch is a critical moment and those first few fractions of a second make a BIG difference in overal time and terminal speeds. ( I dont' say this from a perspective of knowledge on drag strips but from racing where the same figures hold on flagged starts and exits from apex of corners )

To put power 'down" you need traction. Otherwise all the power to the rear spins the tyres and doesn't hook-up. So the tyre footprint makes a BIG difference to the USABLE POWER for any vehicle. IF you have a vehicle whcih has a lesser weight trasnfer then it has a smaller footprint tyre and because of that is cannot then use all the power available. A cars acceleration is fundamentally determined by the tyre's ability to grip. It's the reason why their is a limiting factor on the lower end of the weight scale - you finally reach a point where the weight on a tyre and footprint is too small for the power avaialble and no amount of effort can make it faster. We're assumign normal road tyres here with normal grip levels as higher grip tyres extended the period of time of the inital launch and change the maths for the impact of weight transfer to the extenet that the ultimately grippiest tyre can retain grip for long enough for 100% of weight to be bn the rearrs for a period of time - this is why so many drag cars are phenomonal on 1/4 but can be beaten on 0-60 !!

As to "laughable" can you describe for me how you think the footprint adjusts as weight transfers on a vehicle ? I've got a pretty clear picture and I've given you approximate numbers, I'm happy to hear a perspective on the US version of the car and tyres. Also if you could expand on why inital traction doesnt' matter for a whole 0-60 and 1/4 I'm intrigued.

Your math is completly wrong you didn't factor in tire size, springs, spring rates, air pressure, etc., etc. To get a tires footprint all these factors need to be taken into consideration.

I never said inital traction doesn't matter. I said that it only matters while the car is loosing grip. Not during the whole race as you implied:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

Weight transfer on a mid engine car can put an extra 500kg on the rear tyres. THAT can increase the footprint easily bt 25-33% THAT FOOTPRINT can then transfer 25-33% MORE USABLE POWER. The 110hp becomes about the right figure then > See it CAN make a difference

[Matra et Alpine]

Your math is completly wrong you didn't factor in tire size, springs, spring rates, air pressure, etc., etc. To get a tires footprint all these factors need to be taken into consideration.
Correct and why it was an approximation anad why I already pointed out all those things would be different in all the comparisons you were using anyway. SO from that moment on, ReASONABLE to assume we were discussing as common a situation as possible. This WAS supposed to be stock cars wasnt' it ??
:DOWNED:)

I never said inital traction doesn't matter. I said that it only matters while the car is loosing grip. Not during the whole race as you implied:
sorry, YOU said the word 'race', I was only clarifying by explanation.
And I was NOT implying the whole race I WAS saying that the inital launch affects the whole race time. If you get up to 5mph faster then you actually get to 10 mph faster still, that's acceleration for you. Newtons lawas of motion and all that stuff :)

[early93viper]

Correct and why it was an approximation anad why I already pointed out all those things would be different in all the comparisons you were using anyway. SO from that moment on, ReASONABLE to assume we were discussing as common a situation as possible. This WAS supposed to be stock cars wasnt' it ??
:DOWNED:)

sorry, YOU said the word 'race', I was only clarifying by explanation.
And I was NOT implying the whole race I WAS saying that the inital launch affects the whole race time. If you get up to 5mph faster then you actually get to 10 mph faster still, that's acceleration for you. Newtons lawas of motion and all that stuff :)

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

WTF?

So you agree with me that you can't acuratly judge the footprint of either car? But your still using the bad information to prove your point?

Im guessing you realize that you don't know what your talking about and I am sick of explaining it to you so this will be my last post on the NSX vs C6 in a drag race.

To sum up my point here are the facts:

1. NSX owners say the NSX will lose to C6 in a drag race.

2. People that own both the NSX and a C6 say the NSX will lose.

3.The corvette has over 100 HP on the NSX

4. The corvette has over 170pd ft of torque on the NSX.

5. The C6 and the NSX are within around 100pds of each other.

[Matra et Alpine]

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
I can see why !


WTF?
So you agree with me that you can't acuratly judge the footprint of either car? But your still using the bad information to prove your point?
Get with the program.
EVERY measumrent on a car is an APPROXIMATION.
The power, the torque, the weight, the whoel lot.
I used an approximation that is within reasonable tolerance.

Im guessing you realize that you don't know what your talking about and I am sick of explaining it to you so this will be my last post on the NSX vs C6 in a drag race.
SHame because you're missing the whole point - or avoiding it :D
I've spent 30 years competing in rally adn race cars. I've built cars and suspension from ground up. I've setup suspension on tracks and roads rallies and stage rallies.
My inputs to your commetn abotu "bias" are based on WIDE EXPERIENCE. That counts a helluva lot more than onbe or two cars or magazines ( or some forums :) )

To sum up my point here are the facts:

1. NSX owners say the NSX will lose to C6 in a drag race.

2. People that own both the NSX and a C6 say the NSX will lose.

3.The corvette has over 100 HP on the NSX

4. The corvette has over 170pd ft of torque on the NSX.

5. The C6 and the NSX are within around 100pds of each other.
You still ahvent' explained how there isn't better weight trasnfer on mid engine street cars. THERE IS and it measn the acceleration RATE is faster through the range until all the other things come in to play.

You need to add SOME to all the points you raised and you need to READ that that was not disputed. I was ONLY trygin to point out the stupidity in assuming the video this started on was biased when there are many reasons for what you saw REALLY happening !!! You're right, probably best to leave it as I am ternding to have a short-lead for folks who avoid questions that seek to clarify a discussion :(

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

The NSX would no way win that one. Unless it was the GT-R, maybe a Type-R. Most Corvettes would kick the crap out of an NSX, sad to say it.

[Matra et Alpine]

The NSX would no way win that one. Unless it was the GT-R, maybe a Type-R. Most Corvettes would kick the crap out of an NSX, sad to say it.
aha, finally someone questioning what versions adn setups were used in the vid :)

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

NSX: http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=1167 (0-60 at best is 4.8 secs, and top speed is 165mph or so).
C6: http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=1842

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

BUT NSX-R: Uses a scoop to ram air into the engine and produce a heck of a lot more power. 0-60 is... *insert specs here please*.

NSX Type-R: 0-60 in 4.5, don't know top speed.

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

Whoa- AFTERMARKET KITS FOR NSX OWN THE C6!



An awesome combination of power, style and functionality. This beautiful NSX is in a league of its own. The 3.2 liter 1999 NSX has long been the Cybernation Motorsports flagship. It belongs to Lee one of the principals of Cybernation who is a Major NSX fan. It has always been Lee's goal to put together something special. The Dynojet chart and the video to the right will show why this is one very special super-car.
The powerful 423 wheel horsepower and 323 foot pounds of torque was produced by the Cybernation's stage I prototype turbo kit at 10psi. The car produced power as follows. 401whp 315 ft-lb torque at 7psi, 411whp 317ft-lb torque at 8psi and 423whp 323ft-lb torque at 10psi. What is most incredible is how soon the turbo spools producing over 300ft-lb of torque at 3000 rpm and holding at least 300ft-lb of torque all the way to 7500 rpm. This car moves!

This devilishly stylish spa-pearl yellow NSX is not just for looks. It boost a fully functional aero dynamic kit that has been track tested and proven. It is exactly the same as a few NSXes actively competing in the Japanese JGTC GT300 class. The combination of the rear wing and the front canards make for one wicked cornering machine.

[Matra et Alpine]

Having made the commetn earlier abotu how averaging across multiple runs is as better indicatro - as with cars within .1-.2s they will swap places - I did a google and found a road test by "Edmunds" which report AVERAGES .....
Acura NSX 5.7
Chevrolet Corvette 5.9
Dodge Viper 4.9
Porsche 911 5.9

These, by the definition of an average, are more "accurate" than single numbers.

[Matra et Alpine]

Whoa- AFTERMARKET KITS FOR NSX OWN THE C6!
yeah but if you go that route then you end up in Hennesey and Lingenfelter territory with road-legal-drag tyres and phenomonal times :)

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

Where's Niko, he's an NSX enthusiast isn't he? Surely he could help shine some light on this...

[Matra et Alpine]

Where's Niko, he's an NSX enthusiast isn't he? Surely he could help shine some light on this...
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=360351&postcount=83
He did, as he said the video may be right.
That's what this all is about, someone thinks it's bias and we're only pointing out that the video is possibel and experience and numbers show why.

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

It would help if we knew if both cars were standard or tuned. Some of the NSX stuff I found was hardcore, to say the least.

[Niko_Fx]

Where's Niko, he's an NSX enthusiast isn't he? Surely he could help shine some light on this...

It's pretty hard to stand up for the NSX after looking at the power to weight ratios of each cars.... Torque to weight leaving you with even less "argument power"

I do blame the TG race on the driver or another factor that we might not know about as I'm pretty sure that the C6 is a quicker car.

The NSX is one hell of a track car and that surely makes me happy :) No other road car with the same power to weight ratio will ever get close to it on a twisty track ;)

[Matra et Alpine]

one word, Niko, TRACTION :)

[Niko_Fx]

one word, Niko, TRACTION :)
I just watched the episode again and the NSX does jump ahead in the beginning, with Richard Hammond (who was driving the C6) saying "A bit of spin off the line" meaning that the C6 did have traction issues.... At the end the C6 catches up and ends up third behind the NSX by what it seems to be only inches.

In conclusion (so we can stop talking about it):

- Best time for a C6 by an American magazine = 12.6
- Best time for an NSX by a Japanese TV show = 12.7

Considering power and various magazine tests, the C6 is without a doubt a quicker car. The TG race wasn't fixed though, as previously said, it CAN happen.

[QBridge]

You would probably have to stop for gas twice before reaching 255

[Viper007]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HEFFNER-TWIN-TURBO-VIPER-GTS-over-1200RWHP-TRADES_W0QQitemZ4569292904QQcategoryZ6209QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

[Niko_Fx]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HEFFNER-TWIN-TURBO-VIPER-GTS-over-1200RWHP-TRADES_W0QQitemZ4569292904QQcategoryZ6209QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

Sweet :cool:

[Bob]

Is there ever such a thing as too much horsepower?

[Viper007]

No and there is no such thing as a nonbadass heffner viper.

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HEFFNER-TWIN-TURBO-VIPER-GTS-over-1200RWHP-TRADES_W0QQitemZ4569292904QQcategoryZ6209QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem
That... is spunky!

[kennyknoxville]

insanity