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mechanixfetch
02-02-2004, 09:14 PM
Since we have controversial posts going why not add another very real issue to the world of car lovers.
Here in Vancouver we have a spreading epidemic of street races that have killed plenty of young drivers and forced changes to our driving laws. Although I've done it twice street racing in my opinion is REALLY foolish and selfish because there is a high chance of hurting yourself and others. Although I must say ther is a rush to doing it. So what are your opinions?

Egg Nog
02-02-2004, 10:01 PM
Especially around urban areas, I think more tracks and drag strips are needed. Not in downtown areas obviously, but at least close to population centers.

Street racing can be very dangerous, but it really depends on the type. If two guys with big 'ol muscle cars want to battle it out old-school on a desolate stretch of Route 66, so be it; no qualms there. Even highways are safer than what tends to happen around here locally.

The problems start to occur when people start pushing cars in busy areas (a la Need For Speed: Underground). The plight of street racing nearby in Richmond (basically an extended part of Vancouver) is especially bad. They don't just drag, they target race for huge cash sums, they ignore any/all regulations, blow stop signs, etc. This is where it really gets dangerous.


EDIT: +1, Good idea for the thread.

Batmobile_Turbo
02-02-2004, 10:22 PM
Especially around urban areas, I think more tracks and drag strips are needed. Not in downtown areas obviously, but at least close to population centers.

Street racing can be very dangerous, but it really depends on the type. If two guys with big 'ol muscle cars want to battle it out old-school on a desolate stretch of Route 66, so be it; no qualms there. Even highways are safer than what tends to happen around here locally.

The problems start to occur when people start pushing cars in busy areas (a la Need For Speed: Underground). The plight of street racing nearby in Richmond (basically an extended part of Vancouver) is especially bad. They don't just drag, they target race for huge cash sums, they ignore any/all regulations, blow stop signs, etc. This is where it really gets dangerous.


EDIT: +1, Good idea for the thread.
I think that street racing should be done in places where there is no people or very few people, such as a highway like you said Egg Nog. I think that there should be more drag strips around.
Indiana is a good place for street racing because there are a lot more desolate streets there.

Dragon.Knight
02-02-2004, 11:11 PM
Especially around urban areas, I think more tracks and drag strips are needed. Not in downtown areas obviously, but at least close to population centers.

Street racing can be very dangerous, but it really depends on the type. If two guys with big 'ol muscle cars want to battle it out old-school on a desolate stretch of Route 66, so be it; no qualms there. Even highways are safer than what tends to happen around here locally.

The problems start to occur when people start pushing cars in busy areas (a la Need For Speed: Underground). The plight of street racing nearby in Richmond (basically an extended part of Vancouver) is especially bad. They don't just drag, they target race for huge cash sums, they ignore any/all regulations, blow stop signs, etc. This is where it really gets dangerous.


EDIT: +1, Good idea for the thread.

Yeah, but even some highways are extreamly busy, and not very safe...I believe if you are going to race then you should go out to a very safe closed off area for raceing, there you are only putting only yourself in danger and still the danger is minimal.

crisis
02-02-2004, 11:47 PM
One of my mates was killed about 20 years ago drag racing on a long, rarely used stretch of two lane road . He didnt expect the fuel tanker to come out of the side road at the end of the stretch and the tanker didnt expect a car to be doing over 100 odd ks. Nothing has changed as far as attitudes goes but cars are faster now. These days he would have been doing over 200ks. Still would have died I suppose. When you get old and grumpy like me you tend to value life and have probably experienced its fragility a little longer. Frankly there is too much too loose. With a few exeptions we are all probably worse drivers than we think we are. One important quality I believe a good driver has is the judgement of a safe or unsafe road condition. If you are travelling faster than you react to an emergency situation and that situation means you could collide with another car at a potentially fatal velocity, the conditions are unsafe. I know of a guy around Adelaide that prowls the streets in the early hours of the morning looking for drag races. He admitted the only time he was beaten was when some big block pulled past him at 240kmh. This was on a main arterial road that runs through many Adelaide suburbs with many traffic lights and many side streets. His rationale is that there are not many cars on the road at these times. This incedently would no doubt be the attitude of all of those people who are on the road at that time. If you kill yourself doing this, bad luck. If you kill anyone else, including your passengers, damn you to hell.

Falcon500
02-03-2004, 06:08 AM
I acually wrote an essay inmy final year of school about street racing longest one i ever done 6 pages in lenght describing culture lack of facilitys what can be done and everything else in between, i got a b+ on it. Basicly what i find that these people are fueled by movies like fast and the furious and want to be some kind of urban ledgends before thesemovies came out the huge majority were just muscle cars pulling burnouts at braddon (a suburb of canberra) and as it turns out a good majority problywould not end off using a drag strip facility if one was offerd (i know this because a good majority have told me so) which i just find incredably stupid...these kinds of peoplepiss me off! And while i dont do it myself but i make a habit of turning up at such events to whatch well i sued to the cops have really cracked down Sundown has been dead since my brother used to drag race there (i view if your going to do it any where theres the placeits off to the side and doesnt constanly have traffic going through itsa dead end) braddon is always crawling with cops and even with the addition of a super abrasive road surface(shreads tyers) and the copper pescence and 3 camras people still mange to dump oil all over the place and do burnouts and sand down is dead as a drowned dog too. Iview thatall forms of non controlled racing is dangerous and is not ok under any circumstances.
And crisis is right take the HQ he owned when he was my age or the falcon i own (70s vintages) both these cars gouing full flight would probly top out 200km/h (both quite bland) with very decent stretches of road one of my mates in a 95 vs commadore very easily and on a very busy public road pulled 190 km/h in probly a lot less time then either of them would do it in.

semtex
02-03-2004, 11:59 AM
Since we have controversial posts going why not add another very real issue to the world of car lovers.
Here in Vancouver we have a spreading epidemic of street races that have killed plenty of young drivers and forced changes to our driving laws. Although I've done it twice street racing in my opinion is REALLY foolish and selfish because there is a high chance of hurting yourself and others. Although I must say ther is a rush to doing it. So what are your opinions?

Well if you hang around with these people, try this. Here in the uk one thing people do to have a race is hire a race track for the day. Now that may seem expensive, but when you organise it with alot of people (20+) and you all pay and equal contribution it can work out quite cheap. So you've got the advantage of socialising with like minded people that have a genuine intrest in performance cars, it's safe too, and you get to race on a proper track with a good quality surface. Try putting that idea to the street racers, if they think thats stupid, they should take a look at themselves

Matra et Alpine
02-03-2004, 12:25 PM
hire a race track for the day. Now that may seem expensive, but when you organise it with alot of people (20+) and you all pay and equal contribution it can work out quite cheap.
To let you know HOW cheap that is, then for most club organised days it's only $60 per car, 'marque' days are about $80 !!!
Jealous ? tough :)
You get cheaper fuel and insurance !!
Still :) :)

Mind you on the A610 4 hours of track time in the day wears out the pads and a set of fronts ( I get about 6 hours out of rears ). So the total cost is high - but I rationalise to myself that pads/tyres/fuel would get used anyway :)

Evil Ewok
02-03-2004, 03:20 PM
Street racing is dangerous, and sometimes isn't necessary. This only makes it harder for car owners to be able to drive the cars they love, and be able to cooperate with police and other officials. They make it more difficult on us to where we get tickets just because the car looks fast. This is exactly why I think the gumball rally is an outrage.

crisis
02-03-2004, 04:27 PM
Well if you hang around with these people, try this. Here in the uk one thing people do to have a race is hire a race track for the day. Now that may seem expensive, but when you organise it with alot of people (20+) and you all pay and equal contribution it can work out quite cheap. So you've got the advantage of socialising with like minded people that have a genuine intrest in performance cars, it's safe too, and you get to race on a proper track with a good quality surface. Try putting that idea to the street racers, if they think thats stupid, they should take a look at themselves
To do that in Adelaide would require a ridiculous insurance premium, they have gone nuts about public liability over here, and you would probably have to be a member of a club or have a camms licence. It does make it difficult and I am sure it would be more expensive than over in the UK. It is a pity because I would like to try it myself and it is a possible answer for those who street race. They have mid week drags specifically for guys with 4s and rotaries and non professionals which is good but it is still expensive considering you only get a couple of races per night. If the government was serious about adressing these issues they could easily subsidise these events and track days with a minute portion of the revenue they milk daily from motorists with speed cameras. But they dont want to give us that money back.

mr bill
02-03-2004, 05:41 PM
I vehmentaly oppose such actions, as they are the exact cause of the changes made to the young driver laws (in BC at least), and tend to peanlise the wrong people anyway (me for example... nazis...). The real issue, should be keeping your rich upper class twits from street racing in their expensive cars to begin with.

Matra et Alpine
02-03-2004, 06:08 PM
They have mid week drags specifically for guys with 4s and rotaries and non professionals which is good but it is still expensive considering you only get a couple of races per night.
Not wishing to initiate a mass migration to Scotland, but our drag track at Crail charges $10 for a days entry to the track.
If it's a busy day you might get 6 runs.
If it's a quiet day you can burn your clutch out you get to go so often.
http://www.crailthrash.co.uk and check out the times ( no history, so no A610 untill I get the engine rebuilt :( )

NoOne
02-03-2004, 06:41 PM
Flms like Fast and the Furious really glamorize street racing, making the whole idea appealling to younger people. This is a crime, a real injustice, I was part of the scene for 7 or 8 yrs and I swear I could fill pages of this thread with stories of carelessness, irresponsibility and the complete idiocy my own, my friends and people we associated with because of like minded attitude and interests.

I will share the one incident that completely turned me off street racing and probably added a good 10 yrs of maturity.

It's somewhere around 2:00 a.m. on a saturday night about 13 yrs ago, there are about a dozen or so cars "on tour", cruising, checking out the night life, looking for kicks. A few musclecars, a few not so stock Mustangs and a maniac in a HKS tuned Dodge Stealth twin turbo who wants to race anything including trying his luck with my friends '64 Pontiac GTO (a low 11 sec beast), my car is down for the weekend, having problems with the electric fuel pumps, therefore I'm "car-whoring" - grabbing a ride with whoever has a seat available.

Excitement builds as a new car is spotted - a tubbed, tunnel rammed Nova, thumping along, looks nice, sounds fast (wish I was in my car, I was due for a kill - so to speak), this guy in the Nova is anxious to race, we are downtown, but its quiet not much traffic. We grab a light, its the Nova in the left lane and a mid 12 second Mustang in the right. We are directly behind the Nova in the GTO, figure if the Nova takes the Mustang we could make a small wager ($500 or so) with Nova guy and pit him against the GTO (I'm sole passenger tonight).

Light goes green Nova is taking the Mustang, but not by much, when from somewhere behind us comes the Stealth in the oncoming traffic lane, he's in it so deep we think he's waiting for a sonic boom, he passes us, pulls behind the Nova then cuts in front of the Mustang, this is where all hell broke loose.

A girl, she's a waitress at one of the clubs we frequent, 21 or 22 yrs old nice looking, funny (always turning down my pathetic, drunken advances)... guess she had just finished her shift closing up the bar and was driving home. She made a left hand turn on to "our" road, she obviously didn't notice the sound or headlights of 6 or 7 cars screaming down the street at about 110-120mph. The stealth hit her so hard, it took her car up off the road and into the brick wall part of a store some 300 ft from where she had turned. Details are a bit blurry from here, I remember the store alarm, police and ambulance sirens absolute chaos.

The girl gets taken away in the ambulance, we find out later that she was comatose for several weeks, not to mention a broken bone in her forearm, dislocated shoulder and numerous cuts, bruises etc. The guy from the Stealth is taken by the police, nobody says anything to incriminate anyone else involved, we get lectured and the usual "scare tactics" from the police, we go our separate ways. I can't sleep that night, I had tried to help her before the ambulance came ... I could hardly recognized her.

She returned to work after a few months, I talked to her, but never admitted that I was there when it happened. We became pretty good friends. Shortly after that I met up with Mr. Stealth, I don't remember all the details, he did I think 6 months plus probation and community service and license revoked for I think 5 yrs. As we talked he made mention of how "that dumb bitch" should have been watching for traffic and none of this would have happened ... I promptly knocked the living shit out of him, not letting up until several of my friends literally dragged me of of his sorry ass.

To this day I cannot forget that night, I see "kids" racing and I pray they will stop before they kill themselves or someone else.

I pray this post might make someone turn down a race ... its better to swallow pride than blood.

-Dave

Falcon500
02-03-2004, 07:00 PM
Well crisis i have taken a good look at getting a cams liscence. For your level2s liscence its $82 and you also get some other benifits as well as acess to race tracks...its still a better idea to be part of a cams affilitaed club they can helpyou improve yourself and can even make just about everything cheaper. And its $44 for a class 2 ns (non speed) meaning you can only do solo runs on a track.
As for our local 1/8 mile it cost $10 for your orange sticker (not running for the money) and you could add a further $20 on top of that for your red sticker which puts you in the running for the prize pool at the end of the night and if you loose it gets ripped off. That was when it was open the goverment closed it down for noise pollution of all things...i wouldent complain if there was any human being who lived any where near there and if it wasnt at the AIRPORT (noise indeed :mad: ) Fraser park (speed way track) got closed down because some dumbarse decided to break in and destroyed a large section in a 30 odd k worth of fence in such a way it needs full replacement so now where speed ways cars and sprint cars used to race is now growing weeds. All we have left is fairburn park the Hillclimb track (which when i get they XY up and running ill get my cams liscence and become a member) and we have the Sydeny drags and Wakefield park (both a few hours drive away from me) and the Liberal party (who im now a firm supporter of stuff labor Mark Latham can go to hell) are talking about re-opening Fraser park and either A wish to reopen the 1/8 mile or B wish to make a full on 1/4 mile track.
http://www.cams.com.au/default.asp Any australian whos interested in the liscening system or what is required on certain sports or where an affiliated club thats nearby them is can look them up on the cams website i just put up.

Swissbeatz
02-03-2004, 07:54 PM
Street racing is stupid. it's on open roads and drivers just want to prove that their cars are fast. I love speed but I don't like this kind of activities. Even on the highway, stupid 18 or 20 years old drivers want to race your car cause they have added a ship or a turbo to their engines. There are tracks for this kind of activities.
Me I love doing speed on open road with nobody on the road. But in street racing their are overtaking everybody and it's very dangerous.

NAZCA C2
02-03-2004, 08:08 PM
Street racing is [EDIT: lame], i don't see the appeal. I think it would be more fun to go to a drag strip or road course and race in a controlled atmosphere. You can't get the most out of you or your car by street racing and if you wreck because you think your a badass street racer your going to look not so cool! So go find a drag strip or road course and race there all you fast and furious wanabees!

DiabloGTR
02-03-2004, 09:11 PM
As we talked he made mention of how "that dumb bitch" should have been watching for traffic and none of this would have happened ... I promptly knocked the living shit out of him, not letting up until several of my friends literally dragged me of of his sorry ass.

You should of busted your own ****ing ass. It's kind of sad, you beat the arrogant punk's ass, yet you don't have the balls to tell the poor woman that your were there and involved in some way.
Street racing is stupid and against the law, as everyone knows.
I'm from Queens, New York city. Like three years ago, some guy was racing with a orange Lamborghini Diablo and smashed into a light pole, killing himself and wrecking the car in the process. I know it sounds far-fetched, but it's a true story. I remember seeing it on NY1 news and in the New York Post.

crisis
02-03-2004, 11:13 PM
Way sobering story NoOne.

crisis
02-03-2004, 11:15 PM
Well crisis i have taken a good look at getting a cams liscence. For your level2s liscence its $82 and you also get some other benifits as well as acess to race tracks...its still a better idea to be part of a cams affilitaed club they can helpyou improve yourself and can even make just about everything cheaper. And its $44 for a class 2 ns (non speed) meaning you can only do solo runs on a track.
As for our local 1/8 mile it cost $10 for your orange sticker (not running for the money) and you could add a further $20 on top of that for your red sticker which puts you in the running for the prize pool at the end of the night and if you loose it gets ripped off. That was when it was open the goverment closed it down for noise pollution of all things...i wouldent complain if there was any human being who lived any where near there and if it wasnt at the AIRPORT (noise indeed :mad: ) Fraser park (speed way track) got closed down because some dumbarse decided to break in and destroyed a large section in a 30 odd k worth of fence in such a way it needs full replacement so now where speed ways cars and sprint cars used to race is now growing weeds. All we have left is fairburn park the Hillclimb track (which when i get they XY up and running ill get my cams liscence and become a member) and we have the Sydeny drags and Wakefield park (both a few hours drive away from me) and the Liberal party (who im now a firm supporter of stuff labor Mark Latham can go to hell) are talking about re-opening Fraser park and either A wish to reopen the 1/8 mile or B wish to make a full on 1/4 mile track.
http://www.cams.com.au/default.asp Any australian whos interested in the liscening system or what is required on certain sports or where an affiliated club thats nearby them is can look them up on the cams website i just put up.
Thats not as bad as I thought but I wonder how many guys would go to the trouble. I think they should but there are a lot of slack pricks that would find anything like that too hard.

NoOne
02-04-2004, 07:59 AM
You should of busted your own ****ing ass. It's kind of sad, you beat the arrogant punk's ass, yet you don't have the balls to tell the poor woman that your were there and involved in some way.

You are 100% right, but that just wasn't the way I saw it back then. I reacted with emotion, not rational thought. I hadn't planned on fighting this guy, it just happened, like an explosion.

I think I wanted to believe that I wasn't to blame, and if he hadn't been such a madman behind the wheel, that night would have just been another saturday night like so many before it. How do you tell someone that you were a part of a situation that almost cost someone their life?

There were many nights when I laid awake, not able to get the sounds and images out of my head. Even today, if I hear brakes squealing to a stop, I sometimes think back to that night. You can't change the past but I think it changed my future.

crisis
02-04-2004, 04:26 PM
As we talked he made mention of how "that dumb bitch" should have been watching for traffic and none of this would have happened ... I promptly knocked the living shit out of him, not letting up until several of my friends literally dragged me of of his sorry ass.

You should of busted your own ****ing ass. It's kind of sad, you beat the arrogant punk's ass, yet you don't have the balls to tell the poor woman that your were there and involved in some way.
I dont think NoOne would be particularly proud of himself but the point really is that he learnt by the experience while that wanker in the Stealth didnt and even worse is back out there doing what he does best!

DiabloGTR
02-04-2004, 08:42 PM
You are 100% right, but that just wasn't the way I saw it back then. I reacted with emotion, not rational thought. I hadn't planned on fighting this guy, it just happened, like an explosion.

I think I wanted to believe that I wasn't to blame, and if he hadn't been such a madman behind the wheel, that night would have just been another saturday night like so many before it. How do you tell someone that you were a part of a situation that almost cost someone their life?

There were many nights when I laid awake, not able to get the sounds and images out of my head. Even today, if I hear brakes squealing to a stop, I sometimes think back to that night. You can't change the past but I think it changed my future.


I'm sorry, I was a bit too harsh. Anyways, people make mistakes, especially when they are young. I guess now that you're much older, you've become a better man.

NoOne
02-05-2004, 07:41 AM
I'm sorry, I was a bit too harsh. Anyways, people make mistakes, especially when they are young. I guess now that you're much older, you've become a better man.
No problem, it is a harsh story on a nasty topic, I fully expected negative feedback ... a lot more than I have actually, but it might (I hope) change at least one persons attitude to racing.

Sweeney921
04-26-2004, 08:08 PM
you definitely changed my opinion, i mean i dont race at all, but i probably would have taken up on a chance. i've always wondered what it would be like to stomp it and blare past someone driving really slow on a two way two lane highway. i dont think im gonna be doing that any time soon. i remember recently my best friend and i were walking around near the bowling alley and we ran into these dudes who were definitely gonna race. there was a riced supra, and a 360 modena. i was really intrigued, cuz i had never seen a street race in real life, but my friend had the cooler head and drug me away.

Ferrari Tifosi
04-26-2004, 08:28 PM
Street Racing is for idiots. I don't mean to sound harsh, but its dangerous and illegal. I knew a guy that died from being in a car where the driver was street racing. I don't even see the appeal of it either, you can have just as much fun if not more fun going to a track.

Niko_Fx
04-26-2004, 08:52 PM
I will share the one incident that completely turned me off street racing and probably added a good 10 yrs of maturity.

Sadly Dave, this is a phase that most kids want to live, and enjoy it 'till something bad happens or they grow up. My car is slow and tickets are expensive so I could say that I behave myself pretty good. But I do feel "The need for speed"... Would love to have a fast car and well.... But after reading your story street racing is the last thing that comes up to my mind.

I feel like tearing apart my car's muffler to make it look less ricy.

Thanks for sharing that with us.

Niko

GT500
04-26-2004, 09:27 PM
All these crazy influences on young and older people alike....I can't believe that some people even believe these false influences. I wish people would just stop...it's horrid. I can relate with a story....i wasn't there first person, I was there as a third person view.

About 10-11 cars like to get together near a small shopping plaza that is located on an intersection between a road that leads back to downtown, and one road that stretches far down into a somewhat desert-like area. I always go down that road to watch constellations and stuff (yea, im interested in that stuff) with my cheap telescope. My dad was actually there too, but when those racers came down there, my dad was in the plaza looking for batteries (the flashlight went out and we had no spares).

So anyways, these idiots come down to the plaza in there "tuned" cars and I guess set up a bet or what not. Then, of course, they line up. This is a 6 lane road for about 2 miles (3 west, 3 east) but they take up the entire road. I quickly move the hell away from the road, about 50 feet before stopping to watch them race. From there on, I only remember seeing it right before it happened...these idiots don't have their lights on. Can you say morons? Well, they GO GO GO IN MANACO.....errr....San Jose.... Some of them are quite fast, others not as much. Then I notice something horrible....

There is a truck coming from the opposite direction. These guys without there lights realize there's a truck (truck lights), strange thing however is that the truck doesn't notice them-not in time at least (or he coouldn't brake/turn outta the way). So the truck hits I think 3-4 of the cars. I kinda ran over, but about one and a half mins later, there is a fire truck, a couple cop cars and an ambulance at the site. Of course one of the cops shoves me off to ask some questions and I answered as well as I could without any breath (I was scared to hell duh!). In the end, I finally found out that three guys were taken to the hospital, two seriously injured, one nearly dead (crushed skull or something). The truck driver was able to walk away fine. The rest of the guys except one drove away as quickly as possible, that one scrambling out of his car and running (his car was stuck somehow I think).

That's pretty much all I saw, this happened about three years ago. Pretty disturbing for me, I mean, really, put your lights on when driving at night, go in the correct lanes, don't be stupid, and don't be even stupider! Illegal and "idiotic" street racing shouldn't be allowed to happen like this. It's just pure craziness... :(

The Tuner
04-26-2004, 10:24 PM
im in uni rite now, and im doing a research project on street racing. actually, (and sum of u will probably think im crazy for this) my project is an insight into legalizing street racing.
y?
coz it happens anywayz, and if it gets legailzed, then its gonna be safer for the racers and everyone else. since i began, ive gone racing a few times. i havent raced, but thats only because i didnt have the car for it. given the car and given the chance, i think i wud have, just to see what its like. i have never raced (as in f&F style, which everyone tries to copy) in my life, but i have had a few quikies and one-offs at traffic lights and stuff. the way ive understood it so far: street racers enjoy STREETracing because of:
- the added risk/danger (read: thrill) of other cars (read: obsatcles) on the road.
- the surface is not a track surface, so it isnt as predictable (hence more risk--->more fun)
- there are (here atleast) roundabouts and junctions, and turns and inclined roads, and no safety rails; stuff that u cant find at a racetrak, and those make it more interestin to race.

with all this in mind, this is where ive reached so far.
street racing can be legalized, but under the following conditions only:
1- roads on which racing will be done will be closed off at certain times for racing. these roads will be closed off LEGALLY, and under the direct supervision of police officers present at the race.
2- no one xcept racers will be allowed on the roads; spectators MUST stay on the sidelines.
3- roads that racers want will be inspected by the authorities beforehand, so that no (idiotic and suicidal) racer can do sumthin like dump oil on the ground to give a better skid.
4- racers must be register their cars with the authorities (i dont kno y i put that, but i kno it will cause problems; here, cars which have had any mods beside body mods are usually not passed during the annual registration)
5- there will be NO racing on any other road, at any other time beside the time(s) and road(s) set aside for racing. shud anybody be caught racing elsewhere, (s)he can be given the strictest penalty possible, including confiscation of car and cancelling of licence.

lukily here in dubai, there isnt too much racing, although it does go on. i have a survey prepared on street racing, and i wud like u guys to fill it out; so if anyone does have a few minutes to spare, plz email me at "[email protected]" and ill send u the survey.

mebbe this cud help stop incidents like the one related by NoOne.

thnx.

Matra et Alpine
04-26-2004, 11:02 PM
.....friend had the cooler head and drug me away.
Drugs are worse !!!

:):):)

Don't take this wrongly, but I love American approach to English grammar.
In general you folks make words up coz it sounds as if it should be that way.

The past tense of drag is dragged :)

( Can you tell my daighters doing her English Higher exam in 2 weeks !! )

:):):)

Matra et Alpine
04-26-2004, 11:15 PM
im in uni rite now, and im doing a research project on street racing. actually, (and sum of u will probably think im crazy for this) my project is an insight into legalizing street racing. .
Don't see that ever happening.

Any legal 'race' would have to be sanctioned by the FIA or your countries motorsport association.
That won't happen for a circuit/route without safety measures.
The closest to what you seem to desire is the Isle of Man TT.
This is a bike race once a year on the Isle of Man.
EXACTLY as you describe - except the roads are closed to other road users.
As each year passes and each year a handful of people die this event is coming under extreme pressure to end !
Last year we lost one of the best bike racers in the world to a practice accident.
So when you remove safety, the BEST can be killed.
Isle of Man TT survices in part becuase it is the last real road race and the IoM has it's own government !! If the British government had control over the roads, it woul dhave been banned many years ago.

Secondly, you'd need a country with very little litigation.
The first accident killing or maimin a driver would result in a law suit citing the lack of basic safety. As for the desire to have OTHER road users on the streets, well I can just see THOSE law suits rolling out.

Third, you clearly haven't raced on a circuit and neither have many of those who advocate street racing.

At the very limit of racing, there is little benefit of run-off areas and armco safety barriers. They only let you drive/ride FASTER. So the adrenilin rush is there.

I hope in your research on legalsigin street racing you investigate the many forms of drifving/riding and incorporate the lessons learned there over 100 years !!

crisis
04-28-2004, 12:46 AM
im in uni rite now, and im doing a research project on street racing. actually, (and sum of u will probably think im crazy for this) my project is an insight into legalizing street racing. thnx.
As lateral as the idea sounds there are some major obtsacles (duh).
1. Why should publicly paid for roads be made innacessible to the majority so that a handful of people who cannot be controlled any other way are catered for. (Baring in mind I wold probably like to try it in these surroundings).
2. Un skilled drivers thinking they can race is different from skilled drivers who can.
3. Legalising something does not ensure that it will be exploited elsewhere. ie, we have legalised drags for the public yet we still have plenty of illegal street drags.

The major issue that sticks with me is the selfishness and disregard these people have for others. ie the added risk and thrill of other cars. Risking your own life in the name of excitement is your own perogative. Nothing justifies you risking someone elses for your own selfish masturbation.

byronleehk
04-28-2004, 09:12 AM
im in uni rite now, and im doing a research project on street racing. actually, (and sum of u will probably think im crazy for this) my project is an insight into legalizing street racing.
y?
coz it happens anywayz, and if it gets legailzed, then its gonna be safer for the racers and everyone else.

Sorry Tuner but I disagree.

Crisis is right..."Legalising something does not ensure that it will be exploited elsewhere. ie, we have legalised drags for the public yet we still have plenty of illegal street drags." So called "Racers" need to take responsibility of what they are doing...if you want to race, do it somewhere where it is safe for others (others = bystanders, spectators, other traffic etc).

People race because they think they're tough and they have the best car out there...they race because they think they're good and skillful. They need to grow up! If you want to race, go to Speedzone (that's where you pay to race scale down carts & dragsters). Take a look at the Long Beach GP or rallycorss, that's real "street racing".

Just my 2 cents :)

mulan
04-30-2004, 03:42 AM
I think that street racing should be done in places where there is no people or very few people, such as a highway like you said Egg Nog. I think that there should be more drag strips around.
Indiana is a good place for street racing because there are a lot more desolate streets there.

you are a dick. if you have ever been on the street racing scene you would understand the thrill of going to high speed and not getting caught. live a little

Matra et Alpine
04-30-2004, 03:56 AM
you are a dick. if you have ever been on the street racing scene you would understand the thrill of going to high speed and not getting caught. live a little
Sorry Mulan, that title should rightly be yours.

Wait till you've attended a scene where a street accident has maimed/killed drivers/passengers/bystanders.

Taking cars to the limit belongs on the track where the danger is shared with like-minded drivers/passengers and doesn't involve innocents.
My experience has been that those who boast of their endeavours on the road are idiots on track who have no idea of the real control to make a car go fast.

If you want the experience you describe then I suggest you go to the local rugby club, go in and call them a bunch of poofs and start running. THAT would be living a LOT more than pussying around in a wannabee car :)

Falcon500
04-30-2004, 06:05 AM
Hey mulanif your so tough and so cool i have some pics that show the by products of street raceing.....im not going to post themon the website but if you want to see them i will send you the link....are you man enough?

(this offer extends to everyone willing but be warned they are tragic)

The Tuner
04-30-2004, 11:46 AM
firstly: mulan, plz dont insult any1 here. from wat ive seen in this thread, im the one who is supportin streetracing the most, and im not throwin insults around the place. we have had members who didnt kno how to control their language, and u can ask any1 wat happened to them.

secondly: i dont remember who sed this, but abt legal dragging: we dont have it here. once every 2 months (i think) we have a racing thing goin on, but thts very short and not open to all. street racing does have a different thrill.

thirdly: i forgot.

fourthly: i remembered; falcon, cud i have those pics? send em to "[email protected]" plz. thnx.

cant think of nething else.
oh and thnx a millon for ure thoughts on my ideas. theyve been a big help.

mulan
05-01-2004, 05:30 AM
[email protected]

crisis
05-02-2004, 05:54 PM
you are a dick. if you have ever been on the street racing scene you would understand the thrill of going to high speed and not getting caught. live a little
Is it something like the thrill of seeing someone trying to identify the body of a family member who was using his car to go to work and was hit by the selfish dick who thought the whole world was his personal playground?
Living is what its all about.

Misho
05-03-2004, 05:39 AM
sorry for going off-topic guys. but this message is for Crisis.

i remember reading in a thread about a week ago something about you not trusting me. i have been very busy searching for this comment to take my revenge. do u think u can help me find it ? are u man enough for that ?! :D

carlover
05-03-2004, 01:48 PM
Think of it this way:

Renting a track may be more expensive then just going to the streets, but do you really value your money over your life? The risks of street racing are much more real then you may think, and people can get killed too easily racing. So next time you get a craving for speed, be smart: Don't put your life on the line to just to save a few bucks, instead rent a track and drive worry free (almost, there is always danger when driving at high speeds, no matter what, but there is always less on the track then the street).

Matra et Alpine
05-03-2004, 02:41 PM
It's the innocents I'm most angered about when idiots take to the streets.
Yes, you have the right to take risk with your own life.
But not of others.

there is always danger when driving at high speeds, no matter what, but there is always less on the track then the street).
For sure, but for anyone who thinks track is safe, few months ago one of the guys rolled his Skyline at Knockhill and wrote it off and hasn't been able to drive since. He's OK, just badly bruised. Serious money spent on engine and suspension - all the trick bits from Japan - but still couldn't keep up with a Radical. More fool him for trying :)

If you ARE going to take track seriosuly you should definately fit full rollcage, extinguisher, electric cut-off and full harness belt :)

byronleehk
05-03-2004, 02:51 PM
It's the innocents I'm most angered about when idiots take to the streets.
Yes, you have the right to take risk with your own life.
But not of others.

For sure, but for anyone who thinks track is safe, few months ago one of the guys rolled his Skyline at Knockhill and wrote it off and hasn't been able to drive since. He's OK, just badly bruised. Serious money spent on engine and suspension - all the trick bits from Japan - but still couldn't keep up with a Radical. More fool him for trying :)

If you ARE going to take track seriosuly you should definately fit full rollcage, extinguisher, electric cut-off and full harness belt :)

And if you can afford it, attending some racing school will definitely help ;)

crisis
05-03-2004, 05:14 PM
sorry for going off-topic guys. but this message is for Crisis.

i remember reading in a thread about a week ago something about you not trusting me. i have been very busy searching for this comment to take my revenge. do u think u can help me find it ? are u man enough for that ?! :D
I seriously doubt that I would have ever questioned your integrity. I cant remember the post you are talking about but I'll look. And no, I am not man enough for it.

mechanixfetch
05-03-2004, 07:10 PM
Drugs are worse !!!

:):):)

Don't take this wrongly, but I love American approach to English grammar.
In general you folks make words up coz it sounds as if it should be that way.

The past tense of drag is dragged :)

( Can you tell my daighters doing her English Higher exam in 2 weeks !! )

:):):)
Matra I find it amusing that you knock someone's grammar and then incorrectly spell DaUghter :p

Matra et Alpine
05-03-2004, 09:57 PM
Matra I find it amusing that you knock someone's grammar and then incorrectly spell DaUghter :p
Some folks are already awawre that I suffer neuroligcal damamge which affects my typing.
It would be OK if UCP had a spell checker :) As it is, I'm more interested in commenting in the short time I spend on UCP rather than spell-checking.

Glad it brought a smile, usually it can be more embarrassing some of the words my fingeres created :)

Merrill
10-22-2004, 06:12 PM
Its ok for me for people to street race with their souped up SHIT looking car that makes so much noise with the huge mufflers and spoilers.....but eventually they will end up in an accident and die or may escape from the law and let the law hunt them down later where they are gonna be in DEEP SHIT then so if you are one of them "think twice" on what you are gonna do next............i mean look at yourselves

Nigel
10-22-2004, 08:50 PM
I love street racing. As a matter of fact I just had a really nice race this evening with a heavily modified late 80s early 90s gti. It is very exciting weaving through moderate just-after-rush-hour highway trafic. He won, but our cars were about the same speed. He was a pretty good driver, not just ballsy, but skilled. It is such a blast! I think blowing through red lights and racing for cash is a no-go, but just a little friendly blow-off-that-little-extra-testosterone race is good for ya. Just dont drink and drive.

Renesis
10-22-2004, 09:00 PM
im sorry nig but i cannot believe that there are people out there who will really take such a superficial pleasure. street racing is dangerous. people die because of it. many do. and its all because you people think its fun, which it may be for a pretty base person. i wish that you people would just realize that the world does not revolve around you, so stop having fun at others expense.
peace, ian

PerfAdv
10-22-2004, 09:24 PM
I'm not endorsing street racing but its like getting a cold or biting on the occasional bitter nut, it can't be helped. There is a time and a place. Some removed industrial park or some backroad that's cleared on both ends. Racing through traffic, only proves who's a bigger fool. I've seen guys going so nuts to stay ahead, they split lanes between cars, pass using the e-lane, dangerous s***.

Racing on a paid track might be legal but that doesn't make it safe. Ok, a litter safer.

Matra et Alpine
10-23-2004, 01:45 AM
I love street racing. As a matter of fact I just had a really nice race this evening with a heavily modified late 80s early 90s gti. It is very exciting weaving through moderate just-after-rush-hour highway trafic. He won, but our cars were about the same speed. He was a pretty good driver, not just ballsy, but skilled. It is such a blast! I think blowing through red lights and racing for cash is a no-go, but just a little friendly blow-off-that-little-extra-testosterone race is good for ya. Just dont drink and drive.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

Clowns like you kill people.
W@nkers who like to drive fast and dangerously on streets destroy families.

AND you have d!cks the size of pencils, coz if you had ANY balls you'd have the courage to try it on a race track, hill climb, rally stage, oval or drag strip.
Coz there it's YOU that is taking the risk, YOU that is being tested, YOU that's the man and not the stupid fecking little toe-rag.

Get a life and stop braggin about it.
It's like saying you've had sex 10 times a night and THEN owning up it was with a prostitute.

man I'd add a smiley if I wasn't so angry.
Made worse coz you're intelligent ( HAD enjoyed our sound discussion ) but you are a LONG LONG way from smart or mature.

Matra et Alpine
10-23-2004, 01:52 AM
Racing on a paid track might be legal but that doesn't make it safe. Ok, a litter safer.
a WHOLE lot safer.
For you.
For others sharing the track.
For anyone watching.
For anyone "in the area"

WHY ?
coz you're car is scrutineered before being allowed out. An experience race scrutineer can spot if it's capable of the speeds intended.
coz your focus is ONLY on the track and the others, no need to split attention on side roads, possibility of animals or people appearing or a million other things you SHOULD be doign on open roads
coz he safety and flag marshals can take action to prevent a simple accident becoming worse
coz if you do lose it the gravel traps, run-off areas and tyre barriers slow you down safely
coz you're contained within the safety barriers and protection of the track
coz anyeone there KNOWS their is racing and THEIR focus is on what's happening on the track and know not to go out there
and finally if anything DOES go wrong the medical and safety services are THERE to react IMMEDIATELY. No waiting for someone to get the balls to phone for an ambulance or firetruck and then wait for them to respond.

DasModell
10-23-2004, 02:18 AM
street racing is one thing . and illegal street racing is another :D
street racing is fun . Monaco, Macau .. but that's just like a racing circuit :D so it doesn't count :D

illegal street racing .. burn the ones that do that :D

kigango123
09-18-2006, 08:20 AM
the gorvenment should allow more sanctioned street racing.

Guest
09-18-2006, 08:46 AM
the gorvenment should allow more sanctioned street racing.old thread - and why? if you want PROPER racing go an a flaming track!

h00t_h00t
09-18-2006, 04:13 PM
Because he is a stupid troll.