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UK CARS
02-08-2004, 04:17 AM
Ferrari? a lot of history.
Jaguar? le mans d-type.
Ford? gt40
Porsche? 911
what do you think?

SL500
02-08-2004, 05:12 AM
Ferrari

a_ferrari_enzo1
02-09-2004, 02:30 PM
YES ferrari is the best racing car manufacture they made the enzo 360's and the F1 cars

NAZCA C2
02-09-2004, 02:37 PM
I like Mclaren. They dominated Can-Am in the 60's and have had so much success in Formula one in the 80' and 90's.

Matra et Alpine
02-09-2004, 06:11 PM
Alpine - champions on road, rally Le Mans, F3, F2 and the best F1 turbo ( See who knows their history :) )
Matra - F3, F2, F1, GT and Le Mans champions - and the best sounding V12
"Allez France!":)

Ferrari Tifosi
02-09-2004, 11:47 PM
It's a toss up between Porsche and Ferrari. Ferrari has the slight edge though being the most sucessful F1 car manufacturer and the second best as far as Sport car racing goes. Porsche is by far though the greatest manufacturer of Sport car racing. They have won LeMans more than any other manufacturer out there.

Rob Mann
12-07-2004, 06:04 PM
i think bmw make the best cars especially their M (motorsport) cars.

lukeh
12-07-2004, 06:10 PM
bmw m3 cheap fast reliable

lukeh
12-07-2004, 06:10 PM
by the way the older m3 the e30

Rockefella
12-07-2004, 06:11 PM
Way to bring back a thread that is 10 months old.

my porsche
12-07-2004, 06:18 PM
porsche or bmw, 911 cup cars, m3 gtr

Rob Mann
12-07-2004, 06:34 PM
i'm with you mate the e46 m3 gtr goes off and it goes hard or goes home (i.e it never goes home)

Blue Supra
12-07-2004, 07:39 PM
Holden:D

Best Super Tourers series in the world is dominated by them:)

taz_rocks_miami
12-07-2004, 09:53 PM
Ferrari? a lot of history.
Jaguar? le mans d-type.
Ford? gt40
Porsche? 911
what do you think?

I agree with Ferrari Tifosi as far as the toss up between Ferrari and Porsche goes.

Oh and, Fords claim to fame in Europe is the GT40, true. But it's not limited to that. In the US, it has a long and succesfull tradition in NHRA Drag Racing, NASCAR and SCCA road racing.

UCR
12-08-2004, 12:23 AM
I was a N00b back then :D

Blitz_
12-17-2004, 03:13 AM
Ford, and yes Audi, they were once so damn good, y did they get banned anyway, i heard it was because they were too good, anybody got the true story behind it?

Damon
12-29-2004, 02:30 AM
Racing car, I think McLaren is the best, and even they made the best sports car McLaren F1. Besides, they're really artists! See how cool Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, waiting for the baby McLaren.

dydzi
12-29-2004, 04:09 AM
lotus (25, 33 etc)
matra (matra-ford ms80)
brabham and BRM long time ago
ferrari and porsche (not 911, rather 910, 917 and all versions and 935)

QuattroMan
12-29-2004, 08:47 AM
i think bmw make the best cars especially their M (motorsport) cars.


i dont see bmw in there.... :D


Ferrari? a lot of history.
Jaguar? le mans d-type.
Ford? gt40
Porsche? 911
what do you think?

I still dont see it...OH, dont forget AUDI R8... :D

my porsche
12-29-2004, 09:27 AM
PORSCHE-911 gt1, 917-k, 935/78, 956/962

AUDI-R8, RS6

BMW-M3 GTR, not only one of the most controvercial race cars, but also very very fast

Mustang
12-29-2004, 10:45 AM
ford :)

Mk1 and 2 escort :)

nuff said :p

GT40 :D

henk4
12-29-2004, 10:52 AM
A racing car company s one that concentrates on racing cars, not a car company that besides its normal run of production cars is engaged in some sort of racing programme.

Lola could have been mentioned, or Reynard, March was one, but I think under this rather strict definition Chevron would come as number one. Unfortunately due to the death of its founder Derek Bennett in a paragliding accident in 1977, the step to F1 was just cut short and the company had to close down only a couple of years later.

Bladerider
12-29-2004, 12:35 PM
Ford,

They have at various times pretty much dominated either directly or indirectly just about every type of racing in the world at one time or another.

From Rallying, F1, Nascar, Le mans, Touring cars etc

J.

Nogger
12-30-2004, 06:35 PM
lotus were great. But Ferrari ofcourse takes this. As someone mentioned McLarens and Porsches incredible performances in Can Am are sadly forgotten now. Porsche killed an entire racing class by being too good. That indeed is impressive.

r1ckst4
12-30-2004, 08:40 PM
no doubt... it's the Ferrari

Bladerider
12-31-2004, 05:06 AM
........Ferrari ofcourse takes this......


I dont agree.

How many rallies have Ferrari won ??

How many touring car victories can they point to ??

What grass roots level races do they compete in ??

Paris Dakar ??

Formula 3000 ??

Nascar ??

In fact anything other than just GT or F1 type racing ???

Hardly a benchmark for OVERALL conquest is it !!!!

J.

mx512p
12-31-2004, 07:46 AM
Ferrari, Jaguar, Ford, Porsche

spi-ti-tout
12-31-2004, 08:53 AM
ford :)

Mk1 and 2 escort :)

nuff said :p

GT40
Mitsubishi

Lancer Evolution I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII and Pajero Evolution :p

Lancer Evolution MR FQ-400

Mustang
12-31-2004, 09:03 AM
Mitsubishi

Lancer Evolution I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII and Pajero Evolution :p

Lancer Evolution MR FQ-400


wouldnt of been anything like they are without the audi quattro :p

spi-ti-tout
12-31-2004, 09:05 AM
wouldnt of been anything like they are without the audi quattro :p
the MR FQ-400 kicks Quattro's ass :p

Mustang
12-31-2004, 09:06 AM
the MR FQ-400 kicks Quattro's ass :p


yes but imagine if audi never made the first quattro, mitsubushi woulnd be where they are today

henk4
12-31-2004, 09:09 AM
yes but imagine if audi never made the first quattro, mitsubushi woulnd be where they are today

that honour goes to Mr. Ferguson.

my porsche
12-31-2004, 10:53 AM
Nascar ??

i hate nascar with a passion, thats not a valid point in the ferrari argument, all the other races, quite good points, but nascar, all it takes is the ability to turn left and push the pedalsthey dont even shift once the get up to speed (which they stay at the whole 5,000 laps) and the people in it are so awful too

dale earnheardt junior was fined $10,000 and 25 points for purposely spinning his car on the third lap, and another $10,000 and 25 points for saying his record at tallidega was "aint worth shit"

buncha stupid hicks

my porsche
12-31-2004, 10:59 AM
Ford, and yes Audi, they were once so damn good, y did they get banned anyway, i heard it was because they were too good, anybody got the true story behind it?

same thing with porsche and le mans, they werent too good, they just found loopholes in the rules and exploited the loopholes, to be better, and therefore dominating their respective classes, its not that they were too good, its that they were too smart, they found that edge that they needed, and they used it to dominate. le mans and the other governing bodies kept changing the rules to exclude porsche/audi's newest invention, and finally porsche got fed up and just flat out left le mans in 1999, right after the 911 gt1 finished 1-2 the carrera gt was supposed to be the next le mans car, but then they turned it into a road car after they left le mans

Wouter Melissen
12-31-2004, 11:35 AM
Alfa Romeo, Bugatti, Ferrari, Lotus, Maserati, McLaren and Porsche. All others are incidents or the result of rediculous amounts of money.

QuattroMan
12-31-2004, 11:56 AM
Alfa Romeo, Bugatti, Ferrari, Lotus, Maserati, McLaren and Porsche. All others are incidents or the result of rediculous amounts of money.

I have to disagree with you on this one Mr. W M .. In 1912-14 Audi was kicking @ss. Triumphant successes for Audi cars in the world's toughest competition events, if any thing Ferrari, McLaren are the result of ridiculous amount of money,,do you agree?

henk4
12-31-2004, 01:10 PM
In 1912-14 Audi was kicking @ss. Triumphant successes for Audi cars in the world's toughest competition events, if any thing Ferrari, McLaren are the result of ridiculous amount of money,,do you agree?

In 1912-1914 Audi was non existent. Auto Union had some successes as a German Government sponsored Formula 1 participant in the 30ties (we would now call that a ridiculous amount of money). Audi returned to existence in 1965, and only in the eighties got involved in motorsports with the quattro stuff. Audi was selected by VAG to be the vehicle for the GT/Prototype racers, later they used Bentley for that purpose. A very limited motorsport tradition, but a relatively short time ago, which blurs the view.
McLaren really started of as a very poor company, got very successfull in Canam and F1 but was close to extinction in the early eighties before the financial injection of Mansour Ojjeh.
Ferrari never had big amounts of many, only in the last 10 years they took up the gauntlett and decided to make the best F1 team ever. Success is always attracting money, so yes, now they have the largest budget.

QuattroMan
12-31-2004, 02:33 PM
In 1912-1914 Audi was non existent. Auto Union had some successes as a German Government sponsored Formula 1 participant in the 30ties (we would now call that a ridiculous amount of money). Audi returned to existence in 1965, and only in the eighties got involved in motorsports with the quattro stuff. Audi was selected by VAG to be the vehicle for the GT/Prototype racers, later they used Bentley for that purpose. A very limited motorsport tradition, but a relatively short time ago, which blurs the view.
McLaren really started of as a very poor company, got very successfull in Canam and F1 but was close to extinction in the early eighties before the financial injection of Mansour Ojjeh.
Ferrari never had big amounts of many, only in the last 10 years they took up the gauntlett and decided to make the best F1 team ever. Success is always attracting money, so yes, now they have the largest budget.

So you are telling me that the research I did is wrong? this book called "A HISTORY OF PROGRESS" page 20 is a bunch of lies I cant believe Audi would go that far to lie to us..I don't know where you got your info from,,,,,,,,,,

Bladerider
12-31-2004, 07:50 PM
In 1912-1914 Audi was non existent. Auto Union had some successes as a German Government sponsored Formula 1 participant in the 30ties (we would now call that a ridiculous amount of money). Audi returned to existence in 1965, and only in the eighties got involved in motorsports with the quattro stuff. Audi was selected by VAG to be the vehicle for the GT/Prototype racers, later they used Bentley for that purpose. A very limited motorsport tradition, but a relatively short time ago, which blurs the view.
McLaren really started of as a very poor company, got very successfull in Canam and F1 but was close to extinction in the early eighties before the financial injection of Mansour Ojjeh.
Ferrari never had big amounts of many, only in the last 10 years they took up the gauntlett and decided to make the best F1 team ever. Success is always attracting money, so yes, now they have the largest budget.


Actually,

Audi became a brand in 1910 when August Horch (the founder - whose name Horch means Hark in German, hark translates to Audi in Latin) who had fallen out with the directors of his original car company and started afresh. He entered competitions the following year and won, then repested that several more times in following years. This was long before Auto Union and the four rings of Audi, DKW, Horch and Wanderer became symbolic of the Reichs backing. Auto Union became non existent after the war and then subsequently re-emerged in the 1950's, later Audi became a seperate sector of VW in 1965.

Ferrari have long been regarded as having one of the biggest budgets since that became a point to argue over back in the 70's and 80's. At the time Fiat used to throw money around like it grew on trees as they had more of it than most even before they owned Ferrari outright. Thats not to say that they used it wisely of course !!!

J.

Falcon500
12-31-2004, 10:39 PM
i hate nascar with a passion, thats not a valid point in the ferrari argument, all the other races, quite good points, but nascar, all it takes is the ability to turn left and push the pedalsthey dont even shift once the get up to speed (which they stay at the whole 5,000 laps) and the people in it are so awful too

dale earnheardt junior was fined $10,000 and 25 points for purposely spinning his car on the third lap, and another $10,000 and 25 points for saying his record at tallidega was "aint worth shit"

buncha stupid hicks
Just because you dont like a sport doesnt mean you can prettle this kind of crap....and if it doesnt require any skill then why arnt you in it makeing millions? dipshit.

Falcon500
12-31-2004, 10:41 PM
Oh yeah and suprise suprise my vote goes to ford...and to add to it they have Australian rally championships here numerous ATCC wins and have competed in nearly ever class of raceing we have had in this country.

henk4
01-01-2005, 02:16 AM
So you are telling me that the research I did is wrong? this book called "A HISTORY OF PROGRESS" page 20 is a bunch of lies I cant believe Audi would go that far to lie to us..I don't know where you got your info from,,,,,,,,,,

I did not want to tell you that your research was wrong, Bladerider told the story about Horch (which is close to me as my granddad had two Horchs, including an 853) and I knew that Audi was a car company before the merger into Auto Union. There are some but very few original Audi's left, which VW is keen to acquire as proof of Audi's historic roots. What I did not know was that old August engaged his cars in some races, which must have stopped in 1914 anyway because of the first world war. Audi as we know it now was a marketing trick, when DKW, the only remaining partner of Auto Union after the second world war, and a prolific producer of two stroke vehicles, finally adopted a 4 stroke engine for their F102 two stroke compact car, which then became the Audi (75,60 and Super 90). Then VW stepped in to take over the factory and kept the name.
The quattro concept then brought audi back in motorsports.

KnifeEdge_2K1
01-01-2005, 10:35 PM
yes but imagine if audi never made the first quattro, mitsubushi woulnd be where they are today

but that could be said about anything

if no one invented the wheel we wouldnt have cars at all

KnifeEdge_2K1
01-01-2005, 10:36 PM
i hate nascar with a passion, thats not a valid point in the ferrari argument, all the other races, quite good points, but nascar, all it takes is the ability to turn left and push the pedalsthey dont even shift once the get up to speed (which they stay at the whole 5,000 laps) and the people in it are so awful too

dale earnheardt junior was fined $10,000 and 25 points for purposely spinning his car on the third lap, and another $10,000 and 25 points for saying his record at tallidega was "aint worth shit"

buncha stupid hicks

lol

in some states they get fined more for saying god damn then fcuk

hotwheels
01-02-2005, 01:25 AM
saleen s7

Coventrysucks
01-02-2005, 08:47 AM
saleen s7

That's not a racing company, since Saleen don't even race their own cars IIRC
And I hardly think that a few respectable performances in the GTS class at Le Mans coupled to a few ALMS/ FIA GT wins is really on a par to the successes of Ferrari, Porsche et al

fpv_gtho
01-02-2005, 09:30 PM
but that could be said about anything

if no one invented the wheel we wouldnt have cars at all


The wheel was inevitable though, so its hardly a fair comparison. It was Audi that invented Quattro, developed it for racing and stuck it in their cars. It was their doing that made everyone else realise the worth of AWD under normal cars and that the system could be tamed.

Kinda like the rotary, if Mazda hadnt have stuck to their guns and keep developing it, we wouldnt have the RX-8 which has won awards across the globe

fpv_gtho
01-02-2005, 09:34 PM
i hate nascar with a passion, thats not a valid point in the ferrari argument, all the other races, quite good points, but nascar, all it takes is the ability to turn left and push the pedalsthey dont even shift once the get up to speed (which they stay at the whole 5,000 laps) and the people in it are so awful too

dale earnheardt junior was fined $10,000 and 25 points for purposely spinning his car on the third lap, and another $10,000 and 25 points for saying his record at tallidega was "aint worth shit"

buncha stupid hicks

Looks like the judicial systems f**ked up over there as well, theyve just announced a huge revision of the CAMS judicial system for the V8 Supercars just before the last round of the season here.

Fines like that make no sense at all: someones given the same punishment for a life threatening act, as they did for saying a few words? Try justifying that one

henk4
01-03-2005, 01:54 AM
The wheel was inevitable though, so its hardly a fair comparison. It was Audi that invented Quattro, developed it for racing and stuck it in their cars. It was their doing that made everyone else realise the worth of AWD under normal cars and that the system could be tamed.

Kinda like the rotary, if Mazda hadnt have stuck to their guns and keep developing it, we wouldnt have the RX-8 which has won awards across the globe

In 1961 the Ferguson F1 won an F1 race, (not counting for the championship. In the late sixties a number of F1 car's (McLaren, Lotus) also experimented with 4WD.The same principles were then used by Audi for the Quattro development.

Falcon500
01-03-2005, 03:39 AM
Looks like the judicial systems f**ked up over there as well, theyve just announced a huge revision of the CAMS judicial system for the V8 Supercars just before the last round of the season here.

Fines like that make no sense at all: someones given the same punishment for a life threatening act, as they did for saying a few words? Try justifying that one
Well these are sport that are widlet telivised and while the fans enjoy contraversy and it creates intrest the owners dont like thier athleates acting like prok chops (ambrose/kelly and skaife.ingall for prime examples) ill be telling big fibs if i said i didnt enjoy it but it does look bad.