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steven flanagan
04-29-2003, 04:45 AM
I'm a big HOLDEN fan but I dont like the new backs on the holden, it just looks like they through on some magna lights and put on some black triming. This year the Fords look great and the XR8 has that beautiful V8 suond which you dont here much anymore.

holdenluvr
04-29-2003, 03:49 PM
:cool:

fpv_gtho
05-01-2003, 03:04 AM
i heard that in sydney, where i live, that 2 people hated the rear styling so much they paid $15000 to graft the rear onto the back of a vyss. too bad the monaro tailights no longer fit on the commodore

holdenluvr
05-01-2003, 03:51 PM
:)

fpv_gtho
05-04-2003, 02:11 AM
i forgot to say it was a vx rear grafted onto the vy

crisis
05-15-2003, 06:25 PM
you have to wonder why these guys spent that much to fix the rear end. If you dont like it that much maybe buy another car. It would have been cheaper to but a VX and put a VY front end on if thats what they wanted. I like the look of the VY so much I bought one. I will concede they look better in SS/SV8 form with the light surrounds blackened and the spoiler. If anyhting the VY lends itself to an agressive sporty look more than the standard Exec style. The base models are where I think the Fords have them beat.

steven flanagan
05-16-2003, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by crisis
you have to wonder why these **** wits spent that much to fix the rear end. If you dont like it that much maybe buy another car. It would have been cheaper to but a VX and put a VY front end on if thats what they wanted. I like the look of the VY so much I bought one. I will concede they look better in SS/SV8 form with the light surrounds blackened and the spoiler. If anyhting the VY lends itself to an agressive sporty look more than the standard Exec style. The base models are where I think the Fords have them beat. I agree, Ford has deffinately beeten Holden with the base model.

piledriver
05-22-2003, 04:39 AM
Here in Brazil, GM sells the Chevrolet Omega that is on the truth a modified Holden Commodore (if this is the correct name) since 1998, but every year they make some appearance modifications and this yearīs model, I think, is the worst one...
take some pics...
http://www3.chevrolet.com.br/portalgm/images/noticias/2804_Omega2003_5.jpg

crisis
05-22-2003, 04:47 PM
It looks pretty well like a Calais which is the Australian designation of the top spec Commodore. Do they sell many in Brazil?

piledriver
05-23-2003, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by crisis
It looks pretty well like a Calais which is the Australian designation of the top spec Commodore. Do they sell many in Brazil?

Yeah man, the Chevrolet Omega is the best seller in itīs cathegory because of itīs ascendence that is the old generation Omega that came from europeīs Opel Omega...
Despite Omega itīs a very luxury car, I would like to see a version with the V8 engine that it has in Australia, but unfortunately ours roadways are in too bad conditions of conservation and high speeds are unable to do in safe conditions....

crisis
05-25-2003, 04:17 AM
Major bummer about no V8. These thing with the Gen III Chev motor a a lot of fun.

fpv_gtho
07-06-2003, 10:40 PM
do any of u holden fans know what the **** holdens doing spoiling their top of the range luxury model with standard sports suspension an a 245kw V8?

crisis
07-07-2003, 12:42 AM
Whats wrong with a 245kw V8. There are two models, Statesman and Caprice. I think that its only the Caprice they have the sports suspension on. It actually got a good review somewhere I read.

fpv_gtho
07-07-2003, 01:43 AM
whats wrong is they turned their luxury swb limousine into a sports barge

LowRider
07-07-2003, 02:57 AM
I know what there doing with the 245kw V8 there making a great car and with the DVD players in the head rests it makes it even better. Now why would anyone want to by a Farlaine when they can have that? Anyone else like it?

by the way that picture of the GT Falcon above ill admit its a good car but that is close to the worse color ive ever seen
I Love Holden

LowRider
07-09-2003, 12:45 AM
hey, you know how the Monaro went to the USA and we got the Vectra and Astra from Opel and Vauxhall, does anybody know or think that we will get the Speedster or the VX220?

fpv_gtho
07-09-2003, 02:27 AM
i wouldnt say so, im pretty sure those are on the same platform as the lotus elise, and we only get the astra and vectra cause holden dont make small or medium sized cars, wed have a better chance of geting the pontiac solstice

LowRider
07-09-2003, 02:40 AM
What is the Pontiac like do you have any stats or pictures please?

fpv_gtho
07-09-2003, 02:42 AM
nah havent got anything on it

LowRider
07-09-2003, 02:47 AM
oh well mate dosnt matter ill try and find something

LowRider
07-09-2003, 03:07 AM
hey i found a couple of things on it this is the roadster version of the Pontiac Solstice.
Pontiac Solstice Roadster


Engine EcoTec L850 Straight 4
Engine location Front, longitudinally mounted
Displacement 2.198 liter / 134.1 cu in
Valvetrain 4 valves/cylinder, DOHC
Fuel feed Fuel injection
Aspiration Supercharger
Gearbox Borg Warner T56 6 Speed Manual
Drive Rear wheel drive

Performance figures
Power 240 bhp / 179.0 kW
BHP/Liter 109.2
Torque 305 Nm / 225.0 ft lbs
Power to weight ratio 0.18 bhp/kg

fpv_gtho
07-09-2003, 03:19 AM
what is it with GM sticking the T-56 behind every engine they can get their hands on, for crist's sakes this cars engine only packs out 305nm and the t-56 can handle up to 680nm, couldnt they find something a little lighter duty

crisis
07-09-2003, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by fpv_gtho
what is it with GM sticking the T-56 behind every engine they can get their hands on, for crist's sakes this cars engine only packs out 305nm and the t-56 can handle up to 680nm, couldnt they find something a little lighter duty

What are you complaining that its too strong and durable?

fpv_gtho
07-09-2003, 07:38 PM
im saying that surely they could find something a little less heavy duty, after all its only a 4 cylinder

LowRider
07-10-2003, 12:20 AM
Any body round here like the 1978 Falcon Cobra?

LowRider
07-10-2003, 01:24 AM
Im trying to find some pictures of the new HSV Maloo Tradesman ute any body have any please?

fpv_gtho
07-10-2003, 02:29 AM
have a look at the HSV website

adz10
07-21-2003, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by LowRider
Any body round here like the 1978 Falcon Cobra?

Yeah, the XC Cobra is beautiful! Love the blue stripes!

fpv_gtho
07-21-2003, 11:25 PM
too bad about the power outputs though, between them and the final XBGT's, power outputs fell by about 60kw

LowRider
07-24-2003, 12:13 AM
Oh yeah it is a very nice looking car and the stripes look good too. Pretty funny when they raced it, it only finished 2 races or something

LowRider
07-24-2003, 12:15 AM
Any one seen the new Holden Adventura? it looks good and powered by a Gen III V8. Should put up a good fight against fords new 4WD

fpv_gtho
07-24-2003, 12:16 AM
yeah it had a pretty horrific race history but it was a road classic

LowRider
07-24-2003, 12:18 AM
yeah it was a good road car, they even have some in the USA

fpv_gtho
07-24-2003, 12:22 AM
im pretty sure the falcon coupes on america are XB's cause of mad max's success there

LowRider
07-24-2003, 12:25 AM
Yeah i think i read somewhere that they are. Are they better then the old GTHO's ya reckon? the couldnt be could they?

fpv_gtho
07-24-2003, 12:27 AM
there are only 4 cars better than the gtho's: new xr6t, xr8, gt and gt-p

LowRider
07-24-2003, 12:30 AM
So what pretty much the BA falocon range.
The GTHO would bet any of those in a drag race

fpv_gtho
07-24-2003, 12:34 AM
umm, the new GT's the first falcon to break 14 seconds down the quarter mile, the ph3 ho done it in 14.7

LowRider
07-24-2003, 12:38 AM
still it could bet it. thats were NOS comes in handy

fpv_gtho
07-24-2003, 12:40 AM
r u sure nos is a good idea for a carby fed engine from 71?

LowRider
07-24-2003, 12:43 AM
nah its not really but no gutz no glory.
You couldnt even put a NOS kit in that could ya?

fpv_gtho
07-24-2003, 12:48 AM
i think what they do is have 2 or so injectors pointed down the throat of the carby

LowRider
07-24-2003, 12:52 AM
Good idea except it would probably stuff the engine

fpv_gtho
07-24-2003, 12:53 AM
any nos system can stuff the engine, whether it be for efi or carby

LowRider
07-24-2003, 12:55 AM
i know that

crisis
07-24-2003, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by fpv_gtho
i think what they do is have 2 or so injectors pointed down the throat of the carby
A friend of mine has an LX Torana with a 350 and a NOS kit. It feeds directly into the manifold.

LowRider
07-24-2003, 12:59 AM
sounds nice what does it run in a quarter mile?

fpv_gtho
07-24-2003, 12:59 AM
well if CAPA can make a kit to centrifugally supercharge a carby engine, they should be able to nos them

crisis
07-24-2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by LowRider
sounds nice what does it run in a quarter mile?
He has never done it.

LowRider
07-25-2003, 12:22 AM
Why not? that thing would do pretty good. run a 13 or something

crisis
07-25-2003, 12:35 AM
He also has an LX that he races in Club Cars at Mallala. Chev 350 small block dry sump, 500+hp, 4 speed super T10 PPG straight cut gears ( sounds vicious ), 9" full spool, triple plate clutch. Races against rotaries, turbo R20DET Datsuns etc.
Usually places 1st -5th.

crisis
07-25-2003, 12:47 AM
here tis

LowRider
07-25-2003, 12:58 AM
NICE CAR. It does sound vicious, i really like the air inlet or outlet on the front of it.GTHO eat your heart out

fpv_gtho
07-27-2003, 03:02 AM
comparing a GTHO to something as heavily tuned as that is pretty meaningless dont u think

LowRider
07-27-2003, 03:37 AM
Yeah probably is but why not?

fpv_gtho
07-27-2003, 03:40 AM
well its just like comparing a little holden barina to an hsv gts coupe, just on a different scale

LowRider
07-28-2003, 03:43 AM
You missed one thing but GTHO are actually good. and that would still give the done up car a run for its money

fpv_gtho
07-28-2003, 03:51 AM
umm, crisis said the car has ova 500hp, the GTHO PH3+4 had about 270-290kw, about 365-390hp, i doubt that would stand a chance

LowRider
07-28-2003, 04:16 AM
Anyone know how to work out how to change HP to KW
eg 580hp how do you work out how many kilawats that is?

fpv_gtho
07-28-2003, 04:19 AM
1 HP = 0.7457 KW
1 Nm = 0.7507509 lb/ft

LowRider
07-28-2003, 04:20 AM
is holden bringing out there GEN IIII V8 next year?
And if they are anyone know how much power it will have?

fpv_gtho
07-28-2003, 04:24 AM
i think the GEN4 could be coming out between the VZ and VE. i think the power predictions for the C6 corvette are 320kw for the 6.0L, up from 300kw and 5.7L. but i dont know how the journalists are gunna take to a 6.0L v8 in standard commodores

crisis
07-28-2003, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by fpv_gtho
umm, crisis said the car has ova 500hp, the GTHO PH3+4 had about 270-290kw, about 365-390hp, i doubt that would stand a chance
I only put the torana in as it was following (kind of) the thread about nitros. He races the Torana against a GTHO but Im not sure what it runs. The class can run any motor that the manufacturer used. It didnt have to actually be in that car. ie R20DETs in Datsun 1600 etc as long as the original body was actually raced in Australia at some time.

fpv_gtho
07-28-2003, 08:40 PM
i wasnt trying to judge anything u said crisis

fpv_gtho
07-31-2003, 01:20 AM
does any1 know exactly how many phase 4's were made? ive heard that there was 3 race cars and 1 road car then a while ago i head someone had a rally-prepped one but wrote it off

Falcon500
08-10-2003, 03:41 AM
according to my sources 1 is owned by a dentist its calypso green there is a red one owned by a sydney sparky one was rally prepped and used the only to recieve any race duty it ran 4th in 72 not bad for such a heavy car on a rally circut it was later rolled and written off and another one was written off when a commadore towing a caravan plowed into it

fpv_gtho
08-10-2003, 06:41 AM
interesting. all i know is there were defenately 3 race prototypes. i think it was last bathurst as bart of the 40th birthday celebrations they showed the 3 race phase 4's on the tv and they had one that would have gone to moffat

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 04:30 AM
Ive read in a very old issue of unique cars that allan moffat wa given a chance to drive the red one that was still in race trim! He said it was a wonderful car even better then the phase 3 and would of loved the chance to of taken that on the mountain

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 04:33 AM
the phase 4 had the phase 3 engine in the lighter XA body, but the half dozen they made didnt comply with homologation. at least ford got to produce some of their road supercars, holden had to can the torana gtr-x and valiant's project didnt get off the ground either

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 04:44 AM
im sorry to see chrysler disapear why couldent it of been holden? but any ways they were great ideas but were killed by specualtion by the media the 160 mph super car scare by evan green which is all ancient history now but what really makes me glad it seems ford and holden are reving the super car wars just in time too im turning 8 soon the same age my father was when for dand holden first went blow for blow :D

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 04:45 AM
turning age 18 not 8

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 04:49 AM
chrylsers still around, its valiant that disappeared which is the same to chrysler as holden is to GM.

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 04:58 AM
yeah holden is a boil on the arse of gm only selling a fraction of its now dead arm oldsmobile was selling. But i ment that its no longer building anything for us aussies its souless neons hulking 4x4s and exorbantly priced vipers that is all thats all thats really around the closest thing is the mitsu (which own chrysler which i am sure your aware of) Magna

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 05:01 AM
its the other way around, chrysler own mitsubishi. were getting the crossfire soon anyway but its only a rebodied merc slk

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 05:07 AM
too bad the cross fires a v6 i might actualy like it if it came out with the new hemi

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 05:11 AM
thats the 3rd big mistake by chrysler, the first 2 were putting a 4 cylinder in the pt cruiser and a v6 in the prowler. the new hemi doesnt deserve the hemi name, its only 260kw/5.7L from what ive heard

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 05:19 AM
accodring to disgrunteld people writing into hot rod mag its not much of a real hemi either but i think its good they are making an attempt at the v8 market again the proler needs a v8 and the pt to be quite frank should of never been

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 05:24 AM
the old 426 hemis got 425hp, so i guess the 260kw new hemi beats its hp/litre output

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 05:53 AM
yeah im thinking thats this is the start of an idea by chrysler i think this new hemi is only the start of somthing bigger

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 05:56 AM
maybe, but i cant see chrylser or gm matching fords 500hp 5.4, chryslers only hope is its 8.3L V10

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 06:07 AM
eyah but ford homing in on there with its new galaxy concept using a 7 litler v10 based on the modualer platform (same platform as the 4.6 and 5.4) which was aimed at such cars as the ciper and the c5 corvette

fpv_gtho
08-12-2003, 04:15 AM
it wasnt really a galaxie concept and i reckon the engines gunna replace the 6.7L V10 in the f-series

fpv_gtho
08-23-2003, 05:46 AM
ford oz should try using the 4.6 block int he falcon and make the internals the same size as the 5.4, and free up some of that engine room

Falcon500
08-28-2003, 06:26 AM
if it was really such a problem they could actually make a new engine its not really that hard with the modular platform.Thats if the cost justifies the gain. And ive actualy haeard they are the same size i dont know if its true or not.

fpv_gtho
08-29-2003, 01:47 AM
i think being based on a modular platform just makes it possible to interchange cylinder heads and internals, but the exterior dimensions of the engine are still different. ford should just wait for the new 5.0L to come out and stick that in the 2006 falcon

Falcon500
08-31-2003, 04:59 AM
I actualy only want to see more fuel ecconemy and a little more power out of the current moter i think our currant one is great and i aint goging to wish it away with somthing the americans are making.

fpv_gtho
08-31-2003, 06:04 AM
yeah but if the gt could rev say an extra 500rpm, it would be about 0.5 seconds quicker, from the little extra power produced and the fact the engine wouldnt be right in redline at 100km and 400m. thats the gt's biggest performance downfall that the engine has lost momentum at the crucial points.

Falcon500
08-31-2003, 07:16 PM
Well that could be acheived with lighter internals and hollow cams and what not But revs might not be the answer did you ever think of that? Lokk at most euro trash they dont need to be revved to make vast ammounts of power ponder that for a min maybey just improving the response of the motor maybey?

fpv_gtho
08-31-2003, 11:35 PM
the point about the revs is that it would increase the cars speed per gear, meaning the car would be further away from redline when they record its 0-100km/h time and 400m. most euro cars have vastly developed engines and the manufacturers know the buyers are gunna pay like an excess of $5K if the car only produces like another 10 or so kw naturally aspirated. an australian car would get hounded by the press for such a thing

Falcon500
09-01-2003, 03:44 PM
And also my other point about keeping our currant motor was more to the point of we currantly have a good resource why not try and tap it before we think of reaplcing it with somthing that "seems" better on paper? And i would think this motor is reasonbly developed all considring fors been working on it since 89 and its been in common road cars since 94. But yeah i guess extra revs quldent hut and also between most upgrades of the gen III it only gets around 5 kw it doesnt get shot down in the press for such menail gains?

fpv_gtho
09-01-2003, 11:46 PM
fords more concentrated on getting power out of the 4.6 and torque out of the 5.4, so more developments gone into the 4.6 and the 5.4 got stuck with a long stroke

Falcon500
09-02-2003, 02:57 AM
Well lets hope ford aus puts a little more $$$$ into the 5.4 donk so we might see some more hp? And you have to admit tourqe is great when i step into the (grey) Studebaker from my datsun sunny the differnce is absoulty amazing (it wouldent be as amazing if the sunny wasnt a wheezy little limp wristed 1200 A datsun motor that uses almost as much oil as petrol!) But yeah lets see some higher numbers out of the 5.4 and a slimming program on all the falcon range.

fpv_gtho
09-02-2003, 03:02 AM
fords not gunna lighten the ba2, they gunna most probably do that for the bc falcon. they said they changed theyre major concern for ba2 to improved fuel economy, which means the little extra NA potential in the boss 290 will probably go to that. the falcon's the only car in the ford world that needs the low down torque of the 5.4, so ford oz would be the only ones interested in it. ford america arent planning on using it again for the mustang, now that theyre running supercharged 4.6's, and the 2004 mustangs supposedly gunna have a 300kw NA 5.0. ford dont need to worry about the sohc 5.4 theyre using, its running 750rpm less than the dohc versions so if they needed to they could just get it to rev harder and fit internals to keep the power up

Falcon500
09-02-2003, 03:10 AM
Well i was saying weight saving becuase their are so many other advantages less stress and more fuel ecconemy being a few. And as for the fact about the low down torque what about the F series trucks? they most certainly would be happier with a more responsive mill with a little more torque and power. And also the new GT(40) will be running a 5.4 much like ours so maybey we could get a truckle down effect on what they are learning from that just as a thought.

fpv_gtho
09-02-2003, 03:15 AM
the only similarity between the ford gt and fpv gt are the new heads. everything else is different, american or australian sourced internals and plus, the gt uses an alluminium block and we use the iron block. the f series just got a brand spankin new turbo diesel engine, that even though its 1.3L smaller than the old motor, is vastly superior. the yanks, being the gas guzzlers they are, have a 300hp version of the 3 valve v8 we use and it has about 25nm more torque, which when u consider the petrol v8's only available in the 2wd, satisfies the yanks. ford america figures if they want more petrol power theyre gunna buy the lightning ute which uses an iron block version of the gt motor, but comes with the supercooler intercooler. ford didnt want to take out any weight of the ba cause it would affect the crash test result and im sure a decreasing result in crahs tests as a car gets upgraded wouldnt go down good

Falcon500
09-02-2003, 03:22 AM
That is all true so how about some thinner glass like they did before they canned that idea becuase it lett to much road noise in (pfft road noise the cabin of the car is almost dead silent) also maybey some more alloy could be used in its consturction to keep the weight down maybey? Or prehaps more platics though i think the car alredy has enough on it.

fpv_gtho
09-02-2003, 03:26 AM
they were thinking of using milder, thinner steels in the construction. if i had a ba, i wouldnt care too much about the weight, id just replace the glass with acrylic and fit carbon fibre, kevlar or fibreglass whereva i could. id replace the seats as well, getting rid of the back bench would shed the most weight out of all of it. the biggest problem though, is the more weight u take out overall, the more the weight of the engine becomes apparent

Falcon500
09-02-2003, 03:27 PM
Well thats all what tuning the entier package it all about (suspension,spring rates etc) to make the car behave better but also kevlar and carbon fibre is excedingly expensive and not overly pratical on a mass produced vehical and not very cost effective if you do it yourself. And the removal of the back seat would save more weight but i would be more likly thinking of getting rid of electrics (stero,electric windows,central locking stc)

fpv_gtho
09-02-2003, 11:22 PM
yourd need pretty stiff front springs to counteract the top-heavy engine, which would just ruin the whole package

Falcon500
09-07-2003, 05:23 AM
Nah it aint really that bad as i said its all time and effort you put in! and you dont neciserily need to run stiff springs all depneds on what your doing

fpv_gtho
09-07-2003, 05:28 AM
yeah i guess. fords running some pretty good suspension setups, like the engineers manage to combine a luxury and sports ride on most of the cars, so they might get lucky and find a way to stop the engine understeering the car and keeping a supple ride

Falcon500
09-07-2003, 05:35 AM
You dont know what under steer is utnill you drive somthing fairly small eg american muscle car with a big block especially chargers.

fpv_gtho
09-07-2003, 05:38 AM
i guess thats why most people saved the likes of those cars for the drag strip. ud most certainly feel a difference in understeer in an XR8 after driving an XR6T though

Falcon500
09-07-2003, 05:49 AM
Also the most part of the reason for the large sweeping Nascar embanked corners. But yeah i see your point though i wouldent care i own the newwest car out of me and my parents an 80 datsun sunny i also own an XY falcon and my old man has a XW GT and 2 studebaker tanks i drive them a bit so i can hardly see why the people at wheels winge when the stude has a stiff arse holden clutch and a single rail that makes t-5 which they winge about look diamond cut box from a supra or somthing.

fpv_gtho
09-07-2003, 05:53 AM
well wheels are journalists who know a little about driving, except when it comes time for car of the year and they get their brains thinkin overtime, whereas motor are more like drivers who know how to type up an article, so whenevr u get sick of wheel's bullshit, just read a motor mag

Falcon500
09-07-2003, 05:59 AM
The only reason why i prefer Whells is becuse their biased towards ford but theyll stab them in the back I only buy them if theres atricles in them that interst me which isnt too often.

fpv_gtho
09-07-2003, 06:07 AM
i dont think theyre really biased at all. theyve been accused of being on both ford's and holdens payroll's, holdens for comparing the xr6t to the ss instead of the s supercharged and fords for when they compared the turbo to the wrx and said the turbo was better, when the wrx outhandled, outperformed the turbo, even though the turbo was a better package as a car for the money

Falcon500
09-07-2003, 06:12 AM
Well the XR6 would of beaten it cross country the awd is a limiting factory and uiseless while crusing and it only mildy out handeld it. And the have tested the S agaisnt the XR6T which was inhumanly slaughterd by the Xr6T so they tryed the SS.And i noticed one thing that when wheels announced the car of the year holden fans had the biggest bloody winge worse then a bus load of poms on a wet holiday!

fpv_gtho
09-07-2003, 06:18 AM
they were complaining things like if it had of been accepted it would have won, but the BA beat the brilliant mazda6 and honda jazz, so the vy mightve made it into the 2nd round if it was lucky, i mean, the focus didnt

Falcon500
09-07-2003, 02:16 PM
And the focus is somthing like has won 16 car of the year awards in european countrys? But as they said the VY is a face lift with no real change. But that brings up the queastion will ford make enough of a change for the BAII to be accepted?

crisis
09-07-2003, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by fpv_gtho
well wheels are journalists who know a little about driving, except when it comes time for car of the year and they get their brains thinkin overtime, whereas motor are more like drivers who know how to type up an article, so whenevr u get sick of wheel's bullshit, just read a motor mag
Both Oz magazines are pretty dodgy. I like to read objective reviews , not read paragraphs of smart arsed introductions so that the authour gets to jerk off and show how clever he is. Motor is probably the worst with the writers more interested in their nicknames and trying to be celebrities. I dont care who they are. The inconsistancies between reviews when they seem to have to come up with a winner , so they pick out minor faults to differentiate between cars. You will also read , when a car is released a certain review only to have the car derided months later when the writers have become familiar ( tired of? ) with them. One of the mags criticised the VY for having gluggy steering at parking speeds.

fpv_gtho
09-07-2003, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Falcon500
And the focus is somthing like has won 16 car of the year awards in european countrys? But as they said the VY is a face lift with no real change. But that brings up the queastion will ford make enough of a change for the BAII to be accepted?

the focus was like 4 years old by the time we got it, and the engines are considerably underpowered compared to what else is on the market

Falcon500
09-08-2003, 02:07 AM
Hey dont you talk to me about underpowerd I drive a datsun sunny i think the focus would be an f1 car compared to that. And I am agreeing with crisis they winge but its to sell a magazine thats why wheels has stabbed holden in the back itll sell a few more mags they think. And the only reason why i repeat what they say is I can say wheels said this and that and the strange thing is people put a fair bit of faith in that. I very rarely give them any credit i have a copy from the 60s testing the 1964 stdebaker cruiser (basicly the same as my old mans) and i was astounded by the things that were picking on the car for bottom part of the seat not long enough my arse if it was any longer itll be hard to use the pedals and what a problem you must hjave if your fat arse cant properly sit on it.

fpv_gtho
09-08-2003, 02:26 AM
its underpowered for its market. the base, 85kw focus CL is up against a 100kw corolla. at least the engines have decent torque.