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spi-ti-tout
10-18-2005, 01:19 PM
Enjoy! :)

spi-ti-tout
10-18-2005, 01:20 PM
Nascar #2

spi-ti-tout
10-18-2005, 01:23 PM
Nascar #3

SIMPLETON
10-18-2005, 01:28 PM
Best thread ever.

Guest
10-18-2005, 01:33 PM
great pics, hope the drivers survived the crashes!

man 430gt
10-18-2005, 01:34 PM
great pics, hope the drivers survived the crashes!
Don't we all:rolleyes: :p Nice pics there hussian....

Mustang
10-18-2005, 01:35 PM
Nice pics biut IMO a pointless racing series

spi-ti-tout
10-18-2005, 01:36 PM
-> Nascar #4

spi-ti-tout
10-18-2005, 01:38 PM
Nascar #5

rev440
10-18-2005, 01:40 PM
Thanks redneck racing at its finest. You gotta love nascar. Its so much more driving then F1. No traction control or shit. 4 speed transmission that u have to use a clutch with. The cars can run at 200 mph for 2 hours and even better no problems with the clutches like that dam F2005. Plus you dont know whose gonna win like u did in F1 for the past 4 years. Plus the drivers dont make 100k a year either and arent worth of 800 mill like schumi is.

spi-ti-tout
10-18-2005, 01:43 PM
Nice pics biut IMO a pointless racing series
I was putting more emphasis on the crashes :D

NASCAR #6

d-quik
10-18-2005, 01:52 PM
this is the only use that nascar has

spi-ti-tout
10-18-2005, 01:54 PM
NASCAR #7

rite 'm off to bed more tomorrow

Mustang
10-18-2005, 01:57 PM
Thanks redneck racing at its finest.

driving around in circles for 220 laps

gotta love them rednecks :p

6'bore
10-18-2005, 02:00 PM
Very good pics.

The most boring thing ever though in my opinion.

ScionDriver
10-18-2005, 02:04 PM
What tracks are those from overhead in #2 and #7?

dracu777
10-18-2005, 03:17 PM
Not positive, but #2 looks like Bristol and #7 looks like Richmond.

dracu777
10-18-2005, 03:22 PM
Nice pics biut IMO a pointless racing series

With all due respect to all other forms of racing out there (I am a fan of all), I find NASCAR to be one of the most entertaining. Sure it is driving around in circles, and sure it is full of rednecks but it has racing excitement. When was the last time that a F1 race had dozens of lead changes, and how often is a championship not decided until the last race of the reason? When was the last time that F1 had a photo finish between 3 or more cars? That's what I consider racing excitement, and that's what NASCAR provides.

Matra et Alpine
10-18-2005, 04:31 PM
Thanks redneck racing at its finest. You gotta love nascar. Its so much more driving then F1. No traction control or shit. 4 speed transmission that u have to use a clutch with. The cars can run at 200 mph for 2 hours and even better no problems with the clutches like that dam F2005is.
Once up to speed is it not the case that NASCARs stay in top gear ?
Are thereir any ovals where they need a downshift on a corner ??
So in reality the clutch is doing buggar-all ?
Pretty easy to make that survivable then compared to the 40 or so gear changes PER LAP of an F1 ?? :)

Matra et Alpine
10-18-2005, 04:39 PM
With all due respect to all other forms of racing out there (I am a fan of all), I find NASCAR to be one of the most entertaining. Sure it is driving around in circles, and sure it is full of rednecks but it has racing excitement. When was the last time that a F1 race had dozens of lead changes, and how often is a championship not decided until the last race of the reason? When was the last time that F1 had a photo finish between 3 or more cars? That's what I consider racing excitement, and that's what NASCAR provides.
good point d, and it highlights some of the different reasons folks watch motorsport and why they all have their place as "spectacle". I'll leave if they constitute a "race" for another time :)
For me NASCAR is the pinnacle of drafting. It's a sport DESIGNED for it and watching it done masterfully is great. But with ovals there is little challenge for soemoen who watches to see skill exhibited under many varying conditions.

Some folks ( me included ) will walk miles into a forest in the wet to stand and watch a rally car come past one per minute and at best see maybe 2 corners and a bit of a straight. And yet the "spectacle" is fantastic for different reasons. The line, the adjustment of car position, throttle, brake line, power, grip, swing are all demonstrated in the 5 seconds the car takes to pass !!

It's kind of like McDonalds or A Scottish Angus Steak prepared by Gordon Ramsay. Each provide nourishment ( well nearly ! ) and one is cheap and plentiful. But there is something "special" about the steak BUT may not be discernible by everyone. Like red wines too. I can't tell the difference between a £10 and £500 bottle of red. So I enjoy drinking a house red and it's OK. Colleagues won't drink anything less than £100 because they CAN tell. The "dangerous" bit is when that is then identified as different QUALITY.

So just in motorsport. Many flavours. Many spectacles. Only a few at the top. Nothing wrong with that as too much of a good thing ruins it :D

rev440
10-18-2005, 05:08 PM
I wouldnt call nascar cheap just because they dont spend 500 mill a year like f1 does. A nascar engine you could actually put in a real car with mufflers. How much work would it take to do that to a F1 engine? How often can u see all 40 cars go past at 200mph? It may be boring but you try it i gurantee youll have a hell of a time my dad sure did.

Vindesh17
10-18-2005, 05:11 PM
all nascar is good for is the crashes imo.

Matra et Alpine
10-18-2005, 05:26 PM
I wouldnt call nascar cheap just because they dont spend 500 mill a year like f1 does. A nascar engine you could actually put in a real car with mufflers. How much work would it take to do that to a F1 engine? How often can u see all 40 cars go past at 200mph? It may be boring but you try it i gurantee youll have a hell of a time my dad sure did.
not sure how cheap came into it - or was the Mcdonalds thing taken too literally ?

Anyway, NO serious motorsport is ever cheap.
Money is spent to match the atraction and the sponsors. More people watch mroe money, more sponsrs more money. The money WILL be spent to WIN.

A top NASCAR engien woudlnt' last in a road car for long either as the cooling and service requriements are higher. The fact it can do 200 mph is down to the gearing the limited need for acceleration. F1 is a differnet beast so comparisons are pointless. I thought we were discuss the SPECTACLE rather than the technology ?

I think I'd tried to give insight into the different values spectators put on what is boring and what is not. Not sure now but at one time THE largest live audience for ANY event in the WORLD was the RAC Rally of Britain which attracted 6 MILLION people to come and watch :D I'll try and find out how those figures have gone up/down ( certainly down as it was from it's heyday :( ) One mans nborign is another mans excitement.

Just realised and checked .. NOW the largest is the Tour De France with 10 MILLION. But that's over 3 weeks ( but the RAC was over 5 days back then, so it's not liek a "race" :) )

Rockefella
10-18-2005, 06:03 PM
I like NASCAR. It's cool. I watch it a lot. Thanks.

PininfarinaPIMP
10-18-2005, 10:24 PM
Non Athletic Sport Centerd Around Rednecks...

Forever92
10-18-2005, 10:46 PM
http://img61.echo.cx/img61/5195/blink68gy.gif It's NasCrap people let's get that straight.

PininfarinaPIMP
10-18-2005, 11:47 PM
I cant stand that bullshit, bunch of circle jerkers. Nascar was good when they ACTUALLY RACED CARS!!!, you know, Cudas', Stangs', and an array of Chevys. Now they just race a chassis and engine, and have snap on bodies, really its like slot car racing, without the slot...

TVR IS KING
10-18-2005, 11:51 PM
theres a good point. stupid cars.

spi-ti-tout
10-19-2005, 02:57 PM
Rite lads I promised more so here they come...

NASCAR #8

spi-ti-tout
10-19-2005, 03:04 PM
Nascar #9

spi-ti-tout
10-19-2005, 03:06 PM
Nascar #10

F1_Master
10-19-2005, 03:32 PM
Non Athletic Sport Centerd Around Rednecks...
Don't talk. You couldn't even handle those cars so you best shut your mouth before you say its non athletic.

You have any idea how much power and concentration it takes to drive those in circles and on courses for 2 hours? I didn't think so. Those drivers will have more athletic ability driving those cars than you will ever have at driving a Nissan Sentra.

spi-ti-tout
10-19-2005, 03:36 PM
Nascar #11

spi-ti-tout
10-19-2005, 03:39 PM
Nascar #12

PininfarinaPIMP
10-19-2005, 03:41 PM
You wanna try me asshole??? Ive driven a NASCAR before, ive raced a 70' AMX at over 100mph on a track in Colorado, ive done 80mph around a corner youd take 20mph on on a daily basis. Dont get all high up on your horse because ill tell you, NASCARS dont pack any more punch than ANY muscle car ive driven at the local track, the only difference is i can put up with racing "The Long and Winding Road", i couldnt IMAGINE how ****ing boring it would be to drive in circles all day, and circles are A LOT easier than a track...

spi-ti-tout
10-19-2005, 03:44 PM
Last one yo

Forever92
10-19-2005, 03:47 PM
Oy... I can't believe I'm actually going to stand up for McLaren but...

Driven a Nascrap car at 150-200mph for however long they race?, not to mention your profile says 19yrs old. Show me a pic of you and the event and then maybe it's more believeable but even in Nascrap you have to be "fit". :rolleyes:

6'bore
10-19-2005, 03:53 PM
and circles are A LOT easier than a track...

Please don't insult our inteligence.

PininfarinaPIMP
10-19-2005, 04:04 PM
Come on, your going to try and tell me that driving in circles for hours isnt easier than driving a track for hours, even those of us that play Forza will probably say driving and track is easier than the oval. Im sorry 92 but i dont have pics of it on my camera, there was another guy there that works for my dad that got some pics of me i think...

Forever92
10-19-2005, 04:08 PM
Come on, your going to try and tell me that driving in circles for hours isnt easier than driving a track for hours, even those of us that play Forza will probably say driving and track is easier than the oval.

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/4205/rofl9co.gif Oh gawd, dood... don't bring in associating driving games with real racing then I really don't believe you nor will anyone else.

Esperante
10-19-2005, 04:11 PM
Driving an oval is a lot more complex, IMO. When it boils down to such a simple track, all the details are in the tuning of the car. The outcome of a race is almost ALWAYS determined by the best tuned car.

PininfarinaPIMP
10-19-2005, 04:13 PM
Im bringing in something as simple as a video game as evidence, at that small a level, its easier to run the oval then it is to run say, the Nurburgring. Thats fine that you dont beleive me, and frankly i dont give a rats ass, but ive run tracks and ive run an oval, the track was harder and the circle was boring...well it wasnt boring then, but doing it all day would drive me up a ****ing wall, it lacks excitement and challenge...

Esperante
10-19-2005, 04:14 PM
Im bringing in something as simple as a video game as evidence, at that small a level, its easier to run the oval then it is to run say, the Nurburgring. Thats fine that you dont beleive me, and frankly i dont give a rats ass, but ive run tracks and ive run an oval, the track was harder and the circle was boring...
I agree with you on the fact that an oval is easier to drive. That's where I instate my theory of the car's tuning, which the races boil down to.

PininfarinaPIMP
10-19-2005, 04:20 PM
Yeah, NASCAR i think is a good test of car tuning, but the whole plastic car body is shit, i think they should have SOME character to the cars...

Esperante
10-19-2005, 04:23 PM
Yeah, NASCAR i think is a good test of car tuning, but the whole plastic car body is shit, i think they should have SOME character to the cars...
But 'character' would mean more rigid lines and thus less advertisement space. ;) So, unfortunately, I doubt it will happen.

rev440
10-19-2005, 04:23 PM
You guys dont know how hard those guys work to get there. Many have race dirt track cars whose blood, sweat and tears have gone into them. DO you really think F1 would be anything today if they didnt have monnoco.

SIMPLETON
10-19-2005, 04:24 PM
... and circles are A LOT easier than a track...
Boris Said once said "It's alot easier to take an oval-racer and make him a road-course racer than it is to take a road-course driver and turn him into an oval racer"

Esperante
10-19-2005, 04:25 PM
You guys dont know how hard those guys work to get there. Many have race dirt track cars whose blood, sweat and tears have gone into them. DO you really think F1 would be anything today if they didnt have monnoco.
I don't doubt that NASCAR is very taxing on the body and mind. I don't doubt it's not easy to drive NASCAR. I do believe that a lot more careful planning and driving happens in, say, F1 (not since Schumacher, at least) and maybe even ALMS.

PininfarinaPIMP
10-19-2005, 04:29 PM
Thats what i HATE about NASCAR, its like advertisement on ****ing wheels, i cant STAND when companies turn cars into rolling billboards. The fact of the matter is that they are ALL the same car with different paint jobs, not like the 50's-70's when NASCARS were street cars tweaked and tuned to run track. NASCAR they do lose a shitload of weight, but its all fluids.

Forever92
10-19-2005, 04:34 PM
Thats what i HATE about NASCAR, its like advertisement on ****ing wheels, i cant STAND when companies turn cars into rolling billboards. The fact of the matter is that they are ALL the same car with different paint jobs, not like the 50's-70's when NASCARS were street cars tweaked and tuned to run track. NASCAR they do lose a shitload of weight, but its all fluids.

It's the advertising, the ___________ fans, stupid comments like stuff from Speed's Nascrap shows, the Drivers stupid remarks, and their actions that make Nascrap real irritating and pointless. If they dropped anyone of those Nascrap probably wouldn't exist.

PininfarinaPIMP
10-19-2005, 04:37 PM
True, it drives me up the ****ing wall that Speed Channel seems to be NASCAR on a majority level. I couldnt give a rats ass about NASCAR but there ARE other forms of racing that they could talk about and show more of, ie. WRC, F1, more "Victory by Design" and "Inside F1"...

CHEESE-TACULAR
10-19-2005, 04:38 PM
Boris Said once said "It's alot easier to take an oval-racer and make him a road-course racer than it is to take a road-course driver and turn him into an oval racer"
well i agree with mr said...id have trouble not falling asleep too:)

SIMPLETON
10-19-2005, 04:40 PM
Thats what i HATE about NASCAR, its like advertisement on ****ing wheels, i cant STAND when companies turn cars into rolling billboards. Without those advertisements you wouldnt even have racing. At least you would heve very little racing.
The fact of the matter is that they are ALL the same car with different paint jobs Yes. The cars are mostly the same. But that is because of the rules are set up so that the racing is very close, which is one reason why its so popular. But the rules do have a lot of gray areas that the teams find and interpret in their own way. These different interpetations do make most of the cars different in some way or form.
NASCAR they do lose a shitload of weight, but its all fluids. what about fat?

SilverG35SportC
10-19-2005, 04:46 PM
I'd just like to say that I hate nascar and i'd rather watch paint dry. Its so boring and their are so many shows about it. Stupid Speed-Channel plays NASCAR 24/7 and its pisses me off. Watch F1, the skill level is so much higher than ASSCAR. Hell, they dont even turn right!! Down with ASSCAR up with F1!!

CHEESE-TACULAR
10-19-2005, 04:48 PM
I'd just like to say that I hate nascar and i'd rather watch paint dry. Its so boring and their are so many shows about it. Stupid Speed-Channel plays NASCAR 24/7 and its pisses me off. Watch F1, the skill level is so much higher than ASSCAR. Hell, they dont even turn right!! Down with ASSCAR up with F1!!
i would really really really prefer them bringing back the Dakar Rally

Forever92
10-19-2005, 04:50 PM
True, it drives me up the ****ing wall that Speed Channel seems to be NASCAR on a majority level. I couldnt give a rats ass about NASCAR but there ARE other forms of racing that they could talk about and show more of, ie. WRC, F1, more "Victory by Design" and "Inside F1"...

Unfortunately Speed is NasCraps biatch...


Without those advertisements you wouldnt even have racing. At least you would heve very little racing.

Are you talking about racing in general or NasCrap racing?? If it's just NasCrap then, oh darn...

Some how I think it's ok to say NasCrap is a car equivilant of WWE.

Esperante
10-19-2005, 05:03 PM
Without those advertisements you wouldnt even have racing. At least you would heve very little racing.

I think there's a difference between the severity of NASCAR advertising and F1 or ALMS or WRC advertising...


You tell me which one's the rolling billboard.

PininfarinaPIMP
10-19-2005, 05:28 PM
Well F1 has MANY different bodies and they have to stay withing strict guidlines as well. The advertising could be towned down a bit, in F1 you have Ferrari with a Vodafone logo on its side, in NASCAR you have a slot car body with Viagra plastered across the hood. Pertaining to weight, they do lose fat but most of the weight, like a snipers, is in fluids...

SIMPLETON
10-19-2005, 05:29 PM
I think there's a difference between the severity of NASCAR advertising and F1 or ALMS or WRC advertising...


You tell me which one's the rolling billboard.
I think how much money each of those sponsors gives to the team to help pay for R&D, testing, machining, paying the driver, etc, is a very important key to the equation. How much does Dupont give to Hendrick Motorsports yearly? Maybe 5 or 10 million tops.How much does Marlboro and Vodafone contribute to Ferrari? Maybe 100-300 million.

Esperante
10-19-2005, 05:37 PM
$300,000,000? That's a lot of zeros. With that amount of money you could built a 100 storey skyscraper, comparable to one World Trade Centre tower, Fordham Spire or Sears tower. I'd have to see your source before believing that.

F1_Master
10-19-2005, 05:44 PM
You wanna try me asshole??? Ive driven a NASCAR before, ive raced a 70' AMX at over 100mph on a track in Colorado, ive done 80mph around a corner youd take 20mph on on a daily basis. Dont get all high up on your horse because ill tell you, NASCARS dont pack any more punch than ANY muscle car ive driven at the local track, the only difference is i can put up with racing "The Long and Winding Road", i couldnt IMAGINE how ****ing boring it would be to drive in circles all day, and circles are A LOT easier than a track...

Did you actually drive with 42 different drivers? BTW, you're full of sh*t. I'm not talking about racing 110 Mph in a 35 year old AMX. I'm talking about racing these machines at 190Mph with 42 different cars all around you trying to make it to the top.
Also, the basic Nascar you drive at Richard Petty's school and others are not up to the full specs. Richard Petty's are pretty close, but proven to not be the full deal.

I've already driven my old '93 Acura around Texas Motor Speedway and its still isn't a walk in the park going around the bends at 100Mph. And even TMS' scaled down engines in their stock cars still require good amounts of concentration. My 1 lap drive in one required me to fight the wheel on the banks. And the car wasn't even close to a real Nascar. Stop talking out of your ass until you've actually driven with these guys at 200Mph on Talledega or 180Mph at Texas Motor Speedway trying to make sure you don't screw up. Until you can do all that and do it for 2 hours, you best, once more, shut your mouth.

A 1970 AMX does not compare to a 2005 Nascar.

BTW, let's see you take this turn at 80 miles per hour. I take this turn at just 20 miles per hour. I want to see you do it at 80....And I'll be laughing, laughing at the fact you drove yourself over a curb into a tree.

You're also not a safe driver if you take the turns I take at 20Mph daily at 80. Plus, you'd be dead. Not that that would bother me much due to stupidity of speeding around a corner.

Still think you can the turn at 80Mph in the black circle?

PininfarinaPIMP
10-19-2005, 06:27 PM
Im not talking about taking those corners at 80mph in my ****ing Saturn, im talking about taking them in a race car dumbass. Ive raced long races, more than 2 hours, but not in some circle jerk with a bunch of ****ing inbreds. That little turn at 80mph???, i could take that at 80mph in my ****ing Saturn, that turn is nothing, im talking and almost 90 degree turn at 80mph...

Rockefella
10-19-2005, 06:42 PM
Stop the damn flaming of NASCAR, no one cares. I like it, you don't.. that should be that.

johnnynumfiv
10-19-2005, 06:46 PM
Pininfarina Pimp, we get it that you don't like nascar, you don't have to rant about it.

Vindesh17
10-19-2005, 08:33 PM
^^^Its funny to watch him get all worked up though.^^^

Zytek_Fan
10-19-2005, 08:41 PM
Nascar is for rednecks

dracu777
10-19-2005, 09:06 PM
Nascar is for rednecks
So you should be a fan...considering where you live. :) I used to live in Lewiston (as well as Cd'A) and I could not be happier to move out of there.

dracu777
10-19-2005, 09:10 PM
Im not talking about taking those corners at 80mph in my ****ing Saturn, im talking about taking them in a race car dumbass. Ive raced long races, more than 2 hours, but not in some circle jerk with a bunch of ****ing inbreds. That little turn at 80mph???, i could take that at 80mph in my ****ing Saturn, that turn is nothing, im talking and almost 90 degree turn at 80mph...

Hey, you can do just about anything when you do it in a video game. And by the way, most Nascar races are 4 hours and in the majority of them you are stuck in a tin box where temperatures can easily reach 110+ degrees. Oh ya..I would like to see you still be able to drive one of those beasts at 200 mph when the power steering goes out on a *boring* oval.

Zytek_Fan
10-19-2005, 09:34 PM
Lewiston is boring isn't it dracu777?

dracu777
10-19-2005, 09:37 PM
Lewiston is boring isn't it dracu777?
That papermill still stinking up your air? how bout that empty lot on Main street where all the kids hang out?

PininfarinaPIMP
10-20-2005, 08:09 AM
I know how long NASCAR is and ive seen criminals take onramps like hes showing me at 80mph on "Worlds Wildest Police Videos"...

dracu777
10-20-2005, 11:00 AM
ive seen criminals take onramps like hes showing me at 80mph on "Worlds Wildest Police Videos"...

And what usually happens to them and their car afterwards? Try it out in your video game :)

PininfarinaPIMP
10-20-2005, 11:30 AM
Most of the time they make it but the rest usually lock up or run into someone...

McReis
10-20-2005, 11:57 AM
You wanna try me asshole??? Ive driven a NASCAR before, ive raced a 70' AMX at over 100mph on a track in Colorado, ive done 80mph around a corner youd take 20mph on on a daily basis.


You have had some very wild drives for someone born in 1986...
Never underestimate the power of Playstation.
Watch your words will you?

Wouter Melissen
10-20-2005, 11:58 AM
PininfarinaPIMP I suggest you tone down your comments and drop the abusive language. This is the second thread I see today where you make me want to go for the ban button. There are other ways to get your point accross than swearing and yelling at people not agreeing with you.

Thank you,

Management

Coventrysucks
10-20-2005, 04:55 PM
I'm always slightly confused when people try to say that NASCAR is good by describing how it is better than F1.

That's like describing how Spam is good by saying it is better than eating a newspaper.

F1 is crap for racing.

There are many more race series out there apart from NASCAR which have lots of racing, excitement and driver skill.

Also, on a fairly pointless side note, as a British person, I do swear a lot, I just don't see the point in typing it up.

spi-ti-tout
10-20-2005, 05:15 PM
Also, on a fairly pointless side note, as a British person, I do swear a lot, I just don't see the point in typing it up.
Bad impression of your country to me.

Coventrysucks
10-20-2005, 05:28 PM
Bad impression of your country to me.

It's in context though. I don't just walk about swearing at people.

In the right setting with a specific group of people, it just happens.

Matra et Alpine
10-20-2005, 05:28 PM
Bad impression of your country to me.
all a matter of point of views really.

Given the choice between the odd swearing and riced up cars.
f*** me, it's an easy choice :D

Esperante
10-21-2005, 02:25 PM
Bad impression of your country to me.
****ing **** you wanker.

Forever92
10-21-2005, 02:28 PM
Ok... who deleted my popcorn crumbs? :(

Matra et Alpine
10-21-2005, 02:36 PM
Ok... who deleted my popcorn crumbs? :(
a complete section was deleted and a member banned for a couple of days to cool his heels and to remind him to listen to the mods when asked to desist.

Forever92
10-21-2005, 02:37 PM
I know it's pretty much an inside joke because only people that were there know what I'm talking about. See how much smilies have an impact. :p

Matra et Alpine
10-21-2005, 02:39 PM
I know it's pretty much an inside joke because only people that were there know what I'm talking about. See how much smilies have an impact. :p
especially the WRONG ones !!!

Forever92
10-21-2005, 02:42 PM
ha ha... well no... someone's just taking things too seriously. :p

Matra et Alpine
10-21-2005, 02:47 PM
ha ha... well no... someone's just taking things too seriously. :p
well as long as someone who WANTED more smilies continues to show they can't make the right selection of the ones present it deserves comment :D

The ultimate proof of why we dont need more smilies !!!!

kingofthering
12-24-2005, 04:38 PM
i saw one of those crashes on tv. in the second picture, the car rolled end over end several times and the driver was ok enough to talk to a t.v. camera.

SolidStradale
12-26-2005, 05:59 PM
Yay! Only 1 month untill speed weeks!

Quiggs
12-26-2005, 06:12 PM
So much misinformation in this thread. http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif

SolidStradale
12-27-2005, 04:35 PM
Once up to speed is it not the case that NASCARs stay in top gear ?
Are thereir any ovals where they need a downshift on a corner ??
So in reality the clutch is doing buggar-all ?
Pretty easy to make that survivable then compared to the 40 or so gear changes PER LAP of an F1 ?? :)
Uh, I believe they do downshift in the corners on some of the shorter tracks, and your bragging about how hard it is to flik your finger 40 times a lap? They may not shift that much in NASCAR, but it takes alot more work than in F1 racing. The whole sport does. Take an F1 pitcrew for example. When they go and change a tire, its one lugnut on, one lugnut off. Then the jack is built into the car. I know it shaves time, but it just seems lazy.

Coventrysucks
12-27-2005, 05:41 PM
Uh, I believe they do downshift in the corners on some of the shorter tracks, and your bragging about how hard it is to flik your finger 40 times a lap? They may not shift that much in NASCAR, but it takes alot more work than in F1 racing. The whole sport does. Take an F1 pitcrew for example. When they go and change a tire, its one lugnut on, one lugnut off. Then the jack is built into the car. I know it shaves time, but it just seems lazy.

Again - trying to compare F1 with NASCAR?

No point.

They are completely different sports, with different goals, requirements and rules.

An F1 driver only has to flick his finger to change gear because a rather large number of people spent a very long time and an awful lot of money so that the gear change could take 0.05s, rather than 0.5s, not because he is "lazy"...

The Pit crew only have to change 4 nuts because the rules allow it, and that is the fastest way to do it.

Do you seriously think that if the NASCAR rules allowed, they would not also be using paddle-shift transmissions, airjacks and single nuts per wheel?

NASCAR is Entertainment.
It is easy to watch -
There aren't huge volumes of complicated, intricate rules, and technologies that need to be understood.
The track doesn't wander off behind some trees, so the paying public can't miss a vital part of the "action".
And there is "action" by the bucket-load.

Lets face it - without the changes of lead and the closeness of racing NASCAR would be less interesting than watching grass grow.

So, NASCAR is controlled to keep things close and exciting so that thousands of fans can pay their money, watch a race and are guaranteed some sort of entertainment.

The races are 4 hrs long for no other reason than that it makes a proper afternoon out of it. Pleanty of time to drink beer and wave foam fingers around.

F1 is a Sport.
It is about technology and skill, be it the skill of the driver, or the skill of the guy who designed the new barge-boards which make the car 0.001s per lap faster...

The teams do not want "excitement" and "action"; they want their car in front from start to finish, and they will spend vast sums of money to make that happen.

The fans do not get a look in, the racing is not for their enjoyment. I suspect it probably was long ago, but now it is a corperate display of power; who can afford to hire the best people to make the best cars and the best drivers to drive them.

The fans are only there so that the teams can point out to advertisers / investors that lots of people watch F1, because I doubt Vodaphone would spend $40 million a year for cars to go round an empty track.

There is no "excitement".
The drivers and most of the crew are about as interesting as a radio show for deaf people. Have you ever seen a post race interview?

All of the fans are tedious bores as well, eagerly awaiting the newest revisions to the brake ducts. "Oooo! how exciting! The Renault has a new front wing endplate set at 5 degrees, rather than 4.75 degrees!!!"

The only people having fun are the ones being entertained by corperate sponsors, and that's only because they are getting free helicopter rides and champagne...

So, in summary:
NASCAR - something to keep "the masses" happy on a sunday afternoon; quick, cheap and uncomplicated

F1 - Corperate chest-beating followed by geeks who pretend to know how an extra slot in a rear wing helps downforce; long, boring and expensive.

SolidStradale
12-27-2005, 06:55 PM
So then whats the point of spending hundreds of millions of dollars to put a car on a track if nobody cares about it?

SupraMan22
12-27-2005, 07:28 PM
I'm kinda too sided when it comes to nascar. If im in the mood, ill watcha few laps, but usually its boring. F1 is faster, and more turns, close competition, etc. Nascar is way to spread out and way to boring. As i could watch anyother racing, motorcross, quad racing, rally events, f1, touring, etc. I even find rock crawling more interesting sometimes. Ive been crying ever since i herd nascars goin to be plastered all over Speed TV. :mad: :cool:

Coventrysucks
12-27-2005, 08:02 PM
So then whats the point of spending hundreds of millions of dollars to put a car on a track if nobody cares about it?

Who said nobody cared about it?

The teams care (about winning)
Their investors care (about people all over the world seeing their adverts, and that cars with their parts in are winning)
The fans care

I said there isn't much entertainment to be had from F1 because that isn't what it is about.

Fans are a by-product, rather than the objective (as with NASCAR)

SupraMan22
12-27-2005, 08:07 PM
I'm with u coventry. Nascar will never compare to other types of racing. I dont even see figure eight, sprints, modified classes, etc as sports. They go in small circles. Turning the SAME direction. Nascar has what 2 or 3 circuits in which left hand turns are made. (and not coming out of a pit stall, turning onto the track, off of, etc) Competitive yes, but it brings up the rear in excitement too.

SupraMan22
12-27-2005, 08:15 PM
Uh, I believe they do downshift in the corners on some of the shorter tracks, and your bragging about how hard it is to flik your finger 40 times a lap? They may not shift that much in NASCAR, but it takes alot more work than in F1 racing. The whole sport does. Take an F1 pitcrew for example. When they go and change a tire, its one lugnut on, one lugnut off. Then the jack is built into the car. I know it shaves time, but it just seems lazy.

Oh and F1 is different totally. They flick their fingers yes, but when you are slowing down from 190+ it takes a little more than a finger flick. Its not wide open like nascar, its very pick up, slow down. There arent many 1 mile ovals in F1 racing. Actually there are none. That i know of atleast. Its very much different than nascar, as coventry has said. And what does pitting have to do with anything, its all the same whether its 1 lug, or 5, built in jack or pull along. I disagree with the whole part about it takes more work too. If nascar was better, wouldnt it be on a global scale?

PrevlingPushrod
12-27-2005, 08:27 PM
You wanna try me asshole??? Ive driven a NASCAR before, ive raced a 70' AMX at over 100mph on a track in Colorado, ive done 80mph around a corner youd take 20mph on on a daily basis. Dont get all high up on your horse because ill tell you, NASCARS dont pack any more punch than ANY muscle car ive driven at the local track, the only difference is i can put up with racing "The Long and Winding Road", i couldnt IMAGINE how ****ing boring it would be to drive in circles all day, and circles are A LOT easier than a track...

Yeah really, try it with 42 other cars doorhandle to doorhandle, rubbing fenders, and trade'n paint. And you wouldn't keep the car out of the wall if someone bumped you, not like if F1 where if you so much as skim someone else your car is obliterated. You would shit yourself so fast. Its much more then just going fast and turning left. Its hard keeping your car clean and not to crash. So don't start with me, asshole.

F1_Master
12-27-2005, 08:41 PM
Im not talking about taking those corners at 80mph in my ****ing Saturn, im talking about taking them in a race car dumbass. Ive raced long races, more than 2 hours, but not in some circle jerk with a bunch of ****ing inbreds. That little turn at 80mph???, i could take that at 80mph in my ****ing Saturn, that turn is nothing, im talking and almost 90 degree turn at 80mph...
Who said anything about a Saturn?
And I was talking about race cars too. OMG?! 2 Hours?! I've done that in bumper to bumper traffic at 60Mph, that make me a pro like you?
And I doubt you can take that turn at 80Mph, but if you do, I'll see you in the hospital.

BTW, whose the dumbass when the tracks are actually ovals.:rolleyes:

Coventrysucks
12-27-2005, 08:50 PM
So don't start with me, asshole.

Doesn't sound as if he is the one trying to "start" something here...

I believe Mr PininfarinaPIMP was given a short ban after his posting got a little "unrefined" in its use of the English language.

You wouldn't want to find yourself in a similar position would you?


Why is everyone getting so worked up about people not liking NASCAR?

So what if some people don't like it?

It doesn't hurt you, does it?

You certainly aren't going to change someone's opinion of the sport by insulting them.

SupraMan22
12-27-2005, 08:55 PM
Very true. As this seems to happen to every thread on here. It goes into a arguement, i'm not saying i dont participate when i think there is a wrong, or something needed to be said. But sometimes u guys take stuff way over the line. Its not like your goin to find each other and beat one another to a pulp. Just cool it. Everyone has an opinion.

F1_Master
12-27-2005, 09:11 PM
Doesn't sound as if he is the one trying to "start" something here...

I believe Mr PininfarinaPIMP was given a short ban after his posting got a little "unrefined" in its use of the English language.

You wouldn't want to find yourself in a similar position would you?


Why is everyone getting so worked up about people not liking NASCAR?

So what if some people don't like it?

It doesn't hurt you, does it?

You certainly aren't going to change someone's opinion of the sport by insulting them.
True, but you gotta admit, sometimes, they start from someone posting something stupid and then trying to make them sound right and smart....

PrevlingPushrod
12-28-2005, 01:15 PM
I am just here to so I am sorry for my inapropriate language. I am sorry if I upset anyone. But the profanity of this thread made my blood boil. I am truely sorry for my behavior and I will asure you it will never happen again and I will not swear on this site again. I bit you good day.