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carbrochuretom
11-22-2005, 03:43 PM
Something I have never known for some bizzare reason.

Rockefella
11-22-2005, 03:53 PM
Good Taco industry.

Cotterik
11-22-2005, 04:00 PM
ginger turkish invalids

h00t_h00t
11-22-2005, 04:04 PM
Go to islington.

PininfarinaPIMP
11-22-2005, 04:38 PM
Gay tosser inside...

Cotterik
11-22-2005, 04:39 PM
i think its 'Gran Turismo Injection' but it may be words in german. In which case translated it wouldnt spell out G.T.I

mclaren_crazy
11-22-2005, 04:49 PM
Germans Totally Insane

Egg Nog
11-22-2005, 05:48 PM
You guys are getting worse and worse :) - For chrissakes, 6 replies and only one of them is serious?

This is from a British Magazine: Maybe it'll shed a little light on the issue, although it seems that it might just make you more confused ;)

What does GTI mean? Nobody knows for sure how a car that was devised by a group of Volkswagen engineers in their spare time and known as the “Sport Golf” got the name GTI. The suffix GT was already commonplace in 1975 but the “I”? Injection? The fastest version of the then new Golf hatchback was the first Volkswagen with fuel injection but the German for injection is einspritzung. So that’s not it. Perhaps it just sounded right.

Vindesh17
11-22-2005, 06:14 PM
I always wondered that too.

Matra et Alpine
11-22-2005, 06:52 PM
You guys are getting worse and worse :) - For chrissakes, 6 replies and only one of them is serious?

This is from a British Magazine: Maybe it'll shed a little light on the issue, although it seems that it might just make you more confused ;)

What does GTI mean? Nobody knows for sure how a car that was devised by a group of Volkswagen engineers in their spare time and known as the “Sport Golf” got the name GTI. The suffix GT was already commonplace in 1975 but the “I”? Injection? The fastest version of the then new Golf hatchback was the first Volkswagen with fuel injection but the German for injection is einspritzung. So that’s not it. Perhaps it just sounded right.

aha, an angle I'd not heard before and yet it's obvious ...

Opel had the GTE name and so likely VW were unable to use it !!!!

PerfAdv
11-22-2005, 07:16 PM
In '75 at least Alfa GTV6 was a GT, sort of. What's the sense in calling a econo-hot-hatch a GT(i)? Always wondered...

SupraMan22
11-22-2005, 07:39 PM
i think its 'Gran Turismo Injection' but it may be words in german. In which case translated it wouldnt spell out G.T.I

Thats what i thought. Because i'm positive GT meens Gran Turismo.

henk4
11-23-2005, 12:56 AM
TI started with Alfa Romeo, putting it as an indication of the humble 1300 Giulietta TI berlina and later used it with the Giulia, it was supposed to mean Turismo Internazionale.
BMW did the same with the 1800 TI in 1964, with the same meaning, as they were clearly targeting the clientele of the Giulia TI.
In 1962 Peugeot introduced a fuel injected version of the 404 and dubbed it TI, Tourisme Injection.
GT has been always used as an abbreviation for Grand Touring/Turismo/Tourisme etc.
GTI for the Golf was the first time that GT and Injection were put together.
(We already had GTO but that is a different story).

Cotterik
11-23-2005, 02:06 AM
so i was correct.

Ferrer
11-23-2005, 05:44 AM
GTI for the Golf was the first time that GT and Injection were put together.
(We already had GTO but that is a different story).
Actually I think you are wrong the first time the GT and "iniezione" were combined was in the 1962 Maserati 3500 GTI, when the big Maser adopted the Lucas fuel injection. It Later evolved to GTIS and eventually became the Sebring, but that's another story.

carbrochuretom
11-23-2005, 05:52 AM
i think its 'Gran Turismo Injection' but it may be words in german. In which case translated it wouldnt spell out G.T.I

Yeh thats what I thought it was

henk4
11-23-2005, 06:43 AM
Actually I think you are wrong the first time the GT and "iniezione" were combined was in the 1962 Maserati 3500 GTI, when the big Maser adopted the Lucas fuel injection. It Later evolved to GTIS and eventually became the Sebring, but that's another story.

Right you are, when I was thinking which brand used GT for the first time I thought about the Maserati 3500 GT (but forgot about the fuel injected version). Who used GT first? is that Ferrari fof the 250 in the mid fifties?

Ferrer
11-23-2005, 10:05 AM
Right you are, when I was thinking which brand used GT for the first time I thought about the Maserati 3500 GT (but forgot about the fuel injected version). Who used GT first? is that Ferrari fof the 250 in the mid fifties?
If I'm not mistaken the first car to carry the letters "GT" was the 1953 Lancia Aurelia B20 GT 2500, when as the name suggests it gained a 2.5-litre V6 engine (before it had only a 2-litre V6). Ferrari didn't start to use the GT tag until the 1956 Ferrari 250 GT.

But the first car to carry the "Gran Turismo" name was probably the 1930 Alfa Romeo 6C 1750 Gran Turismo, 23 years before the Lancia. That's the info I have.

Nerys
11-23-2005, 10:33 AM
Gran Turismo Injektion is correct.
Others:
Rover (114, 216)
Nissan (Almera)
Peugeot (205, 309 or 206)
Suzuki (Swift)
Toyota (Celica)
...

Ferrer
11-23-2005, 11:11 AM
On my last post I was slightly wrong. Ferrari began using the "GT" tag in 1954 with the Ferrari 250 GT Europa. The Lancia was still first though.

henk4
11-23-2005, 11:40 AM
I got a Dutch book here on Lancia, which actually says that the 2500 was the world first Gran Tourismo. (without making a specific reference to the acronym). The book also mentions it as the first car with radial tyres, although I have a nagging feeling that the Traction Avant had been fitted with Michelin-X tyres very soon after the war.

Ferrer
11-23-2005, 11:51 AM
In fact the Aurelia was quite advanced when the saloon was launched in 1950. It had a 1.7-litre 60º V6 (actually a world's first on a production car), all round independent suspension and a 4-speed manual transaxle gearbox. Not bad for the 50's.

henk4
11-23-2005, 11:59 AM
In fact the Aurelia was quite advanced when the saloon was launched in 1950. It had a 1.7-litre 60º V6 (actually a world's first on a production car), all round independent suspension and a 4-speed manual transaxle gearbox. Not bad for the 50's.

although the independent rear suspension was replaced in the Series IV by a Dion axle, in order to reduce sudden violent oversteer, caused by the Michelin X tyres, which had a very small transgression moment in critical situations.

kingofthering
12-07-2005, 02:17 PM
uh... cause its cool?