Help downloading gt4

[Giankrlo99]

I dont know were to download it for free...i tried downloading it from ares but i downloaded the wrong game..

Plz if you know were i can get it! tell me!

Thanks

[Rockefella]

Keep illegalities out of the forum please. Thanks.

[CHEESE-TACULAR]

Keep illegalities out of the forum please. Thanks.
yeah, rock!:D

[TheOne]

I dont know were to download it for free...i tried downloading it from ares but i downloaded the wrong game..

Plz if you know were i can get it! tell me!

Thanks

the game is worth the money.

[man 430gt]

You've been Pm'ed;)

[dydzi]

be aware: help in doing the crime is punished just as the crime itself

[Pando]

be aware: help in doing the crime is punished just as the crime itself
Well technically, no. You see... :ah, it's not worth it:

[Vindesh17]

be aware: help in doing the crime is punished just as the crime itself

depends on what country you're in.

[Wouter Melissen]

I dont know were to download it for free...i tried downloading it from ares but i downloaded the wrong game..

Plz if you know were i can get it! tell me!

Thanks

Thief.

[Matra et Alpine]

Plz if you know were i can get it! tell me!
no probs. You should be able to get it HERE (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000A0MDV/104-3768680-6759916?v=glance)with no real problems

[my porsche]

I dont know were to download it for free...i tried downloading it from ares but i downloaded the wrong game..

Plz if you know were i can get it! tell me!

Thanks
heres what you do to get it:

go to the store and ****ing buy it, you prick!

[Quiggs]

So you're the reason games cost $50 a piece now, huh?

[scottie300z]

So you're the reason games cost $50 a piece now, huh?

no, he wouldnt be....

[man 430gt]

no probs. You should be able to get it HERE (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000A0MDV/104-3768680-6759916?v=glance)with no real problems
Lmao!

[CSL]

So you're the reason games cost $50 a piece now, huh?

they by far make the most money off games

[Matra et Alpine]

they by far make the most money off games
Who are "they" -- and if you think it's the developers you should read up on the industry and see how many went bust, bought out or cancelled games because of costs :(

[ruim20]

I download pc games all the time... we could start a real argument about games being worth theyr price or not

Game 50$ - you play it, finish it or not and probably never touch it again
Music CD 15$ - you play it... and play it again... and again...
DVD Movie 20$ - Probably the same use as a cd... a good movie is allways worth having or seeing again.

I ocasionaly buy games, GT4 was one of them and TocaRaceDriver2 PC was another, but it's rare.

Yes i think games are very pricy, if they were cheaper ppl would buy much more originals, i know i would, nothing beats the real game, even if it is just for the box or pretty dvd/cd

All my movie dvds are originals, better quality and better pakage, alas my pc games are not...

[Matra et Alpine]

All that says Ruim is you're not very selective about the games you play :D
If you only play a game once or twice then hire it from a library !!!

Some games you never go back to, I've got abotu one or two over the years for me and the kids that are like that. BUT most get an occasional dust off and play again.

Whatever way you wan tto describe it it is THEFT.

It costs MILLIONS of dollars and YEARS to make a decent game.
If the companies can't make that plus 20-30% profit then it's not worth doing.
They can't promsie to make very game an abslulte winner and must play for the next 10 years !!

So make your mind up, if you DONT buy PC games then you'll get limited to the cr*p produced for kiddies on XBox and Playstation !!!

[kingofthering]

I download pc games all the time... we could start a real argument about games being worth theyr price or not

Game 50$ - you play it, finish it or not and probably never touch it again
Music CD 15$ - you play it... and play it again... and again...
DVD Movie 20$ - Probably the same use as a cd... a good movie is allways worth having or seeing again.

I ocasionaly buy games, GT4 was one of them and TocaRaceDriver2 PC was another, but it's rare.

Yes i think games are very pricy, if they were cheaper ppl would buy much more originals, i know i would, nothing beats the real game, even if it is just for the box or pretty dvd/cd

All my movie dvds are originals, better quality and better pakage, alas my pc games are not...
You could sell your old games for new games.

[F1_Master]

All that says Ruim is you're not very selective about the games you play :D
If you only play a game once or twice then hire it from a library !!!

Some games you never go back to, I've got abotu one or two over the years for me and the kids that are like that. BUT most get an occasional dust off and play again.

Whatever way you wan tto describe it it is THEFT.

It costs MILLIONS of dollars and YEARS to make a decent game.
If the companies can't make that plus 20-30% profit then it's not worth doing.
They can't promsie to make very game an abslulte winner and must play for the next 10 years !!

So make your mind up, if you DONT buy PC games then you'll get limited to the cr*p produced for kiddies on XBox and Playstation !!!
True, and is to the reason as to why the next gen. will be costing $60-$70. The new technology enables them to go farther into detail, but the detailing comes at a hefty price.

[ruim20]

All that says Ruim is you're not very selective about the games you play :D
If you only play a game once or twice then hire it from a library !!!

Some games you never go back to, I've got abotu one or two over the years for me and the kids that are like that. BUT most get an occasional dust off and play again.

Whatever way you wan tto describe it it is THEFT.

It costs MILLIONS of dollars and YEARS to make a decent game.
If the companies can't make that plus 20-30% profit then it's not worth doing.
They can't promsie to make very game an abslulte winner and must play for the next 10 years !!

So make your mind up, if you DONT buy PC games then you'll get limited to the cr*p produced for kiddies on XBox and Playstation !!!

I didn't explain myself correctly,:) you play them -from start to finish- once or twice, there have been very few games i've played more than once.

Obviusly it's theft...

My "point" is... games should be cheaper, i believe the current selling strategy is wrong, the companys should change strategy or focus on making 1 good game instead of 10 lousy ones.

[dydzi]

All that says Ruim is you're not very selective about the games you play :D
If you only play a game once or twice then hire it from a library !!!


what if you can't borrow a game for few days in some countries eh?

all in all, i find some good sides of the illegal games market - imo it should motivate the developpers to make lower prices, at least that's how it works here

[man 430gt]

what if you can't borrow a game for few days in some countries eh?

all in all, i find some good sides of the illegal games market - imo it should motivate the developpers to make lower prices, at least that's how it works here
Move, idealy across then pond;)

[Matra et Alpine]

True, and is to the reason as to why the next gen. will be costing $60-$70. The new technology enables them to go farther into detail, but the detailing comes at a hefty price.
and possibly that $20 is because they know many millions of copies will be pirates rather tan full price ?

So if of 10 million games are owned an dplayed and the 80% legal copies of those have to pay for what 100% legal purchases woudl have generated as revenue then guess what ... the price is 25% higher :(

[Matra et Alpine]

My "point" is... games should be cheaper, i believe the current selling strategy is wrong, the companys should change strategy or focus on making 1 good game instead of 10 lousy ones.
When you compare games with every other industry it's about the same hit rate.

There are plenty of crap MP3 players out there for sale, and DVD players, TVs, PCs and etc etc etc

How do you tell UP FRONT whether you have a good or bad game ?
Also it's a business decision. The 50 million seller will merit spending LOTS on development, a 10 million seller can only justify spending 1/5th :D The REALLY bad bit about the BEST games is it takes 2-3 years of development and test of a large development team with ZERO REVENUE. Games are a horrible business to operate in as it's LOTS of outlay in the HOPE of a HUGE peak of revenue and then invest in the next one. All it takes is one game to glitch or not hit the market or just not be popular anymore and the company goes bust with the HUGE debt run up during development :(

TT Superbikes is a GREAT bike racing sim on the PS2 featuring a VERY detailed IoM TT track and great mix of bikes. The company developing it got into SERIOUS financial trouble and nearly went down before the game was able to be released ! It's a shitty business unless you're Kazunori Yamauchi ( but even the mighty can fall see Geoff Crammond )

[Matra et Alpine]

what if you can't borrow a game for few days in some countries eh?

all in all, i find some good sides of the illegal games market - imo it should motivate the developpers to make lower prices, at least that's how it works here
I disagree, it only motivates developers to cut corners and make it CHEAP.
So it may LOOK good but has no longevity and becomes one of those shitty games that never get finished and are being complained about already :D
Woudl be horrible if that was ALL that existed :(

[scottie300z]

the game industry actually makes more money than the movie industry these days in the US. Yet like stated earlier movies (which are costly to make) are cheaper. And there are more developers in business these days than ever before, so sure you may have read an article that a high # went bust, but that could be b/c they made a crappy product, they didnt have the budget to promote it well enough, tough competition, or an over crowded market. And music and movies are pirated and stolen more than games yet they still have lower prices.

[Wouter Melissen]

all in all, i find some good sides of the illegal games market - imo it should motivate the developpers to make lower prices, at least that's how it works here

So we should all go out stealing petrol to make the industry cut the prices?

[Spastik_Roach]

A capital idea sir!

[Matra et Alpine]

It was a reported $10BILLION in 2004.

That is abotu the same as the current movie industry theatres sales.

And YES, the BIG blockbusters make about the same in their launch weekend.
BUT two things, games sales are a BIG peak nowadays, and repeat sales dont' exist. Movie goers go see it AND rent it AND buy it AND pay the advertisign for it to be on TV - Iv'e never seen an accumulated figure that spanned the proper "film industry" revenue stream :D

The "copy games" mentality is equalled in the "pirate movies" and so the growth in sales of DVDs has plummeteed to ONE QUARTER of what it was 2 years ago.

So I'm not saying the movie industry ISNT hit by the same theft issues as games. I was only pointing out that games are getting screwed by robbers, thieves and liars ( because they pass of screeners as the "movie" to gullible public )

As for the numbers "in business" then they are equalled by the number who go bankrupt or who have to sell out. It's a VERY volatile industry - very much like the car industry in teh early 1900s :D

Get a shot of TT Superbikes it is one of the best and yet it almost didnt' make it needing a saviour to pick up distribution without an upfront payment or contract AFAIK.

Jsut as there are hundreds of media productino compapnies in movie and TV who grow make a few films and then disappear again. Business is business and the measure of an industry ISNT the BIG MONOLITHS who stay by virtue of "bulk" but the growth and falure rates.

AND if you're going to hold up the film industry against the whoel gaming industry then just make sure you are remembering ALL the movies made by independants, small production companies and the porn industry :D All arenas have a basic bell curve shape to their product base :D

[jorismo]

My "point" is... games should be cheaper, i believe the current selling strategy is wrong, the companys should change strategy or focus on making 1 good game instead of 10 lousy ones.

So they make one great game that costs loads of money. So they have to earn all the money back by selling ONE game? What will do that to the prices you think. It's better to devide the costs over 10 games then over 1 game. And then there is this: some people like race games, some like shooters, some liker perhaps a RPG. Sow what kind of game should they make than??

[Matra et Alpine]

http://entertainment.msn.co.uk/films/features/filmsof2005/Default.asp as a gentle reminder of the flops in teh movie industry too. Hopefully you didn't waste any money going to the theatre to see any of these :D

[ruim20]

When you compare games with every other industry it's about the same hit rate.

There are plenty of crap MP3 players out there for sale, and DVD players, TVs, PCs and etc etc etc

How do you tell UP FRONT whether you have a good or bad game ?
Also it's a business decision. The 50 million seller will merit spending LOTS on development, a 10 million seller can only justify spending 1/5th :D The REALLY bad bit about the BEST games is it takes 2-3 years of development and test of a large development team with ZERO REVENUE. Games are a horrible business to operate in as it's LOTS of outlay in the HOPE of a HUGE peak of revenue and then invest in the next one. All it takes is one game to glitch or not hit the market or just not be popular anymore and the company goes bust with the HUGE debt run up during development :(

:) Of course you can tell if a game is good or not, there are magazines, internet sites, previews, reviews, a game is completly eviscerated before coming out to public. The thing is easy money, crappy games from big name game makers, game makers that bought a multimillion movie license and them make the worst games ever just to use the movie name... there are probably not more than 5 games worth mentioning that have movie names and that are "medium quality" games...

When a game is good everyone knows it is, ppl buy it, ppl talk about it, ppl must have. when games are normal... it just doesn't have that "feel", it's just another game... i don't know anyone that has a copy of GT4, when it came out i had to buy, because i knew it'd be special.

[Matra et Alpine]

Ruim, you seem to lambast the games industry and not realise that's life.

So list me all the movie SEQUELS that are good ?

Taking something good and making something as good as or better isnt' easy. There is NOT a simple formula. Development, design, innovation is ALL risk. Sometimes you get it right, sometimes you dont. The games industry dont EXPECT to make money out of the bad stuff but it is UNREASONABLE of anyone to begrudge paying for the good stuff - or they wont be able to afford to make ANYTHING !!!

btw, by UP FRONT , I meant before development design and testing. That's where all the costs are. IF a game turns out not to be as good as hoped for by the end then there's not a lot you can do about it. MANY games companies have tried in the past with games taking an extra 2-3 years to come out and STILL being mediocre.