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fpv_gtho
05-01-2003, 03:19 AM
what do people think of the threat to Holden with the possible expulsion of hrt from the series? i personally think its gunna happen, cause earlier in the year, after holden bought TWR Australia, they told TEGA that they'd need about a year to find a new buyer for TWR Australia. TEGA last week gave Holden a little over 6 weeks, until 1st July to be exact, to sell TWR Australia or HRT will be kicked out. 1 year down to 6 weeks, no thats gotta hurt. with the possible 2 year suspension of Team Brock and K-Mart Racing on top of that, i think we'll be seeing a repeat of '77 at Bathurst this year. I know Lowndes and Seton can win it, but Besnard hasn't proven himself to me yet. Round 3 this weekend could be HRT's last, and by the time Team Brock and K-Mart Racing get back on track, there could be a handful of magnas chasing the title. Who else reckons Mitsubishi should stick to rallying?

holdenluvr
05-01-2003, 03:48 PM
i reckon they should stick to rallying.........

steven flanagan
05-01-2003, 11:35 PM
I dont think that HRT will get kicked out because the crowds that HRT bring in would be almost half the crowd population and if they kicked out HRT there would be hardly any money flowing in the V8 supercars and they could shut it down. Magnas should stick to rallying.

BaRRa
05-02-2003, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by steven flanagan
I dont think that HRT will get kicked out because the crowds that HRT bring in would be almost half the crowd population and if they kicked out HRT there would be hardly any money flowing in the V8 supercars and they could shut it down. Magnas should stick to rallying.

They bring in the crowds, so they are allowed to BREAK the rules? I don't think so.

fpv_gtho
05-04-2003, 02:08 AM
thats a point well made

crisis
05-15-2003, 06:17 PM
Holden have not broken any rules as they do not own HRT. Walkinshaw, like many business people has his interestsspread and HRT is currently insulated from his business woes at this moment within the control of a company he owns that is not part of the one he is having trouble with. That said it is rumoured that a group of business people and Mark Skaife are poised to buy into HRT should TW get into strife. Im sure there would be a number of people who would be only too happy to buy into Supercars most succesful team. Dream on Ford boys if you think youve seen the last of HRT. Besides it might become boring for you if you dont have the evil empire to focus your wrath on. As far as Mitsubishi getting involved, get a rear wheel drive V8 and bring it on. It may even convince them to build a decent rwd Magna. The Japs can do pretty handy V8s too like the Lexus V8. How about a rwd Lexus V8 Avalon.

fpv_gtho
05-15-2003, 08:55 PM
what the hell ru smokin crisis, its all over the bloody media that holden bought hrt

crisis
05-16-2003, 12:03 AM
Im smokin rolled up copies of Motor magazine. After I read it of course. Read the article in the latest issue. Also Street Commodores has an artilce this month. Holden dont own HSV either. They own the rights to the names only.

fpv_gtho
05-25-2003, 10:38 PM
holden has never owned hsv so whats ur point crisis?

crisis
05-26-2003, 05:06 PM
My point was in my original reply to Barra where I responded that contrary to his accusation that Holden could break the AVESCO rules and own HRT, they did not . As you rightly point out Holden never owned HSV just as they never owned HRT.

fpv_gtho
05-26-2003, 11:45 PM
when r u gunna realise crisis that holden have owned hrt since about february this year. about 6 weeks ago they were told by tega to sell hrt by june 1st or they cant race anymore.

crisis
05-26-2003, 11:53 PM
FPV GTHO, quote you sources. All I have read in motoring magazines refutes your claim.

fpv_gtho
05-27-2003, 12:11 AM
u want sources? how about the source that would have to be right: www.v8supercars.com.au

crisis
05-29-2003, 12:20 AM
Good source. I couldnt find anything so I emailed them . You are right, although it doesnt say when they bought it. Nothing I read until now said that. They could be in serious shit. They would not be able to use the name HRT for two years if they get nabbed. I suppose it would mean that the team would have to change the name but its been done before from MHDT. The rule actually means that no matter what shit Holden gets themselves in they can easily back a new team because they are not allowed to financially own them anyway.

motormaniac
05-29-2003, 01:10 AM
nah i don't think so

fpv_gtho
05-29-2003, 02:25 AM
i think TEGA's gunna set it up so that they stay out and dont just change team names. Either way i think it was when round 3 was on, the commentators were saying that holden was trying to get the period extended rather than find a buyer, but on round 4 they were syaing that something was being finalised

motormaniac
05-29-2003, 04:21 AM
ok

motorhead
05-30-2003, 03:07 AM
holden hsv srt 427 - much deserved respect

motormaniac
05-30-2003, 04:56 AM
yeah that car rocks

motorhead
06-13-2003, 11:19 PM
why not HMS - holden motor sports

fpv_gtho
07-06-2003, 10:30 PM
looks like ambrose is on a role this year, and to make matters worse for u holden fans, next round is at his test track

fpv_gtho
07-06-2003, 10:34 PM
and holden motorsprt is taken, its the entire racing effort from holden, same as ford racing is to ford.

crisis
07-07-2003, 12:44 AM
Holdens are getting closer but theres no doubt Ambrose is the on to beat.

fpv_gtho
07-13-2003, 09:04 PM
hrt released theire enduro line up fpr sandown and bathurst, theyve got jim richards and tony longhurst. longhurst has been switching between holden and ford for the last couple of yuears hasnt he? 2001 he won bathurst with skaife, 2002 he did the season in a ford and now hes back with hrt, is he trying to be a freelance driver or sumthing

crisis
07-13-2003, 10:55 PM
Richards is just a Driver. He races everywhere he can with whoever wants him. Sounds like a good job to me.

fpv_gtho
07-13-2003, 10:57 PM
i was talking about longhurst

crisis
07-13-2003, 11:10 PM
Sorry. Ditto anyway, just not as good as Richards.

fpv_gtho
07-14-2003, 09:26 PM
hey crisis, which race format do u rather: the sprint races, the mini enduros or the enduros?

crisis
07-15-2003, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by fpv_gtho
hey crisis, which race format do u rather: the sprint races, the mini enduros or the enduros?
I never really thought about it. Sprints are probably more fairer to the best drivers/teams. The pace cars rob those who build up a good lead by bunching up the pack. Cant say I really have a preference.

fpv_gtho
07-15-2003, 02:30 AM
u cant say that ambrose was robbed by the safety car in round 3, he had built up a 40 second lead b4 the safety car came out about 20 laps before the finish and he won with a 20 second lead on lowndes

crisis
07-15-2003, 08:24 PM
Thats what I mean. It happens all the time so it balances out. It does make Bathurst a lot more intersting from a spectator point of view though. It keeps the racing close right up until the end. Youd be spewing if you were leading the race by a good margin though.

adz10
07-21-2003, 05:33 PM
SBR 1-2 at QLD! Quite a bit of a turn around from last year when HRT were dominating everything. Its good to see, just i think that the points system is shocking, as Ambrose has clearly dominated and is only second.

fpv_gtho
07-21-2003, 11:21 PM
ambrose had a rough start to the year though, scoring less than 100 points in rnd 2 and only geting about 120 points in rnd 1 even after winning race 1 at clipsal 500. if hed gotten better there he would probably be first on the ladder, although rnd 2's gunna help when it comes time to drop a round

LowRider
07-23-2003, 01:52 AM
What do people think of the new scoring system?

LowRider
07-23-2003, 01:54 AM
Ah dont you worry about HRT were just giving Ford a go, just wait till we really start trying or when sakife gets hios new car after Sandown

fpv_gtho
07-23-2003, 02:27 AM
i think they need to meet half way with the new and old scoring system. i think the old scoring system had something like 400 points for a win at bathurst and 200 for second, whereas the new one has 192 points for first and 186 for second every round

LowRider
07-23-2003, 02:35 AM
Thats a stupid system they could at least halve what they have at bathurst or something

fpv_gtho
07-23-2003, 02:37 AM
yeah it is kinda stupid. but for the sprint races they change it, like if theres 3 sprint races for a round, each sprint race winner gets 64 points, and evry position lower loses 2 points

adz10
07-24-2003, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by LowRider
What do people think of the new scoring system?

The new scoring system is shocking. There is not enough incentive for a win as it hardly rewards the fastest driver/car combo.

LowRider
07-24-2003, 02:24 AM
the thing that i find really really funny is that ambrose has won most of the races but he is only second. How stupid would you feel if you won th e championship but did not win a race?!

fpv_gtho
07-24-2003, 02:43 AM
its happened b4 i think but i cant quote who with. stonebrothers are confident that rnd 7 wont be the only 1-2 fiish for them this year, do u think that means theyre preparing for an all out bathurst and/or sandown assault

LowRider
07-24-2003, 03:03 AM
define all out attack for me
what more can they do?

fpv_gtho
07-24-2003, 03:06 AM
stone brothers havent been able to do much testing yet this year cause theyve been racing right around the country, so they could get some solid practise in and try get each car on par with the other

LowRider
07-24-2003, 03:09 AM
HRT havnt been able to do any testing either and skaifes getting his new car after sandown so do be to confident

fpv_gtho
07-24-2003, 06:18 AM
did u mean dont be too confident? HRT i reckon isnt gunna finish too well this year, with their ownership battle and the practise ban until the transfer of ownership to skaife's been completed. i think theyre gunna try set themselves up for a solid start next year, but the aurora engine will get them competitive again, but with the new car, skaife might take a while to get the hang of it, hes having trouble with his current hybrid car

crisis
07-24-2003, 07:45 PM
Kelly didnt have much luck with the new one either.

LowRider
07-25-2003, 12:34 AM
Yeah he did not do very well. But he got third in the new new VY Commodore lets hope he can keep going

fpv_gtho
07-27-2003, 03:05 AM
it seems to be the pit crew as well as the drivers having a bad year at hrt, rnd 7 i think when they were changing skaifes tyres, i think they recorded an 11 second pit stop whereas at the same time, ingal got a 7 second one done

LowRider
07-27-2003, 03:15 AM
What about how Ambrose thought it might be fun to drag ellery down pit straight and then hit him?

fpv_gtho
07-27-2003, 03:18 AM
he was just in a hurry cause he stalled in pit lane, and that drive through penalty didnt stop him catching skaife

LowRider
07-27-2003, 03:21 AM
He must have had something under his bonnet because he was flying.

fpv_gtho
07-27-2003, 03:23 AM
all he had was determination. i dont c how that made up 20 seconds though

Falcon500
08-10-2003, 04:17 AM
wel he was lapping a 1.11 when everyone else was doing 1.12s he gained almost a second per lap though his tiers were firmly rooted by the time he got past skaife

fpv_gtho
08-10-2003, 06:42 AM
who do u reckon stone brother's konica driver's gunna get paired with for the enduro's, ingall or ambrose, cause stone brothers are set to win this years konica series

escort mexico
08-11-2003, 01:44 AM
I was watching the supercars on tv the other day... compared to the old group n historic touring cars they are so boring. the series is too controlled, even down to ride heights???!!!!
i reckon they should bring back another manufacturer, or model of car, just to make it interesting. personally i thing that the organisers are afraid to because another manufacturer could crap all over the current cars. Even still, have a look at the pic, what is better than an XY GT sideways??

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 02:35 AM
the V8's might seem a bit too controlled but theyre alot safer than the historics. id rather crash at 200km/h in a BA supercar than an XAGT or A9X torana. have u ever heard the stories about in the 70's on the final laps of bathurst, the falcon GT's brakes were so hot if u tapped the brakes theyd explode, its a scary thought for me coming down conrod straight doing 140mph in a phase 3 and that thought on your mind

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 04:26 AM
How about that! Mark Winterbotem who i personly whatched take out 2nd in the canberra 400 race in an ageing Van Deimen Chassis and got called a nut for saying hell do somthing big won the konica series its not fully over with one race to go but he doesnt even need to turn up to the next race.
On the note about who mark will drive with i think theyll hire someone else from the konica series as i think theyll pair ambrose with ingall just a hunch

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 04:29 AM
like how FPR paired lowndes with seton and stuck besnard with owen kelly. if they want dominance, id say keep ambrose and ingall apart, but if they want success, put them together

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 04:38 AM
I hope to god that this is setons year the man is a tur legland ive been whatching him race since i knew what a car was and ill love to see him achive his dream. And as for Bezzie i think hell do somthing great there i think they should of temaed him with mark Noske or someone like that just a thought. And for the last part im thinking go for sucsess this year domination the next though i wont hold my breath on it, the mountain usually suprises and with this year never assume anything.

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 04:42 AM
it would be good if seto's recent race in his dads rebuilt capri gave him the motivation for success. if i was labelled the best driver never to win bathurst i wouldnt know whether to take it as a compliment or insult

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 04:51 AM
well there wouldent be no need to take it as an offence all considering he was twice series championand has won the triple challenges twice and he came second in of all things a skyline hes proven hes damn good and he doesnt need to prove to anyone hes a top driver but to get his old man off his back hell have to win

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 04:54 AM
maybe seton can sneak in behind ambrose and ingall on the podium for this weekend at oran park

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 05:33 AM
I have my doubts at that steon is my favorite driver but i am a realist ill be over the moon to see him in a top 10 im not saying he could come 3rd or even win the race but i dont think itll happen not this year

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 05:36 AM
based on besnards rnd 7 result, id say seto's having the most trouble configuring the BA, so maybe ur right about this not being his year

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 05:43 AM
yeah but also wait untill 2 year time untill the fpv establishes itself its essentially a new team with an engineer borrowed from jaguar who has to come to grips with th car and 3 drivers who need to find the "sweet spot" with their car and as its been well proven it takes 2 years for a team to proeprly establish iself

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 05:45 AM
probably means then that this years the year of the devil racer and enforcer

Falcon500
08-11-2003, 06:01 AM
yep thats my guess and even big nose (skafie) said if ambrose doesnt win there is somthing seriously wrong

fpv_gtho
08-11-2003, 11:27 PM
thats saying something then. skaifes gotten off to a bad year and unless he starts serioyusly challenging ambrose right now hes not gunna win it this year

Falcon500
08-12-2003, 01:48 AM
well he has no hope anyone after 4th place doesnt really stand a chance at winning the year unless somthing major happens to ambrose and bright i think hes admited defet just like a lot of the drivers who are agreing with skaife its more of a push to get the scoring system changes as it had stabbed them in the back having more then one bad race

fpv_gtho
08-12-2003, 02:48 AM
yeah after ambroses poor rnd 2 finish he cant afford to finish outside of the top 5 for the rest of the year, mind u though stone brothers hasnt lost since round 2 so the odds are in his favour

Falcon500
08-14-2003, 05:50 AM
well all providing he keeps up the good work hell get what he deserves the championship

fpv_gtho
08-14-2003, 05:57 AM
yeah now hes paried with ingall for the enduros sbr cant lose. the only team standing in their way is fpr with the seto/lowndsey combo

Falcon500
08-15-2003, 05:45 AM
FPV will be running all three cars at bathurst as well the alredy have lowndes seton and besnard and some commadroe driver from kinica series but i wonder who will fill the third car

fpv_gtho
08-15-2003, 05:49 AM
actually, lowndes and seton will drive in either of their cars and bessy and owen kelly will take the no. 19 BA. owen isnt a holden driver either i dont think, he was supposed to drive with seto last year but got sick and when wayne garder crashed the sbr caltex car in practise on the friday seto teamed up with bessy. it will be too expensive even for fpr to run 3 cars

Falcon500
08-15-2003, 05:56 AM
im dead cetrtain it was him in the smiths trucks holden in the konica race that came third but it doensnt matter hes a free lancer hell take anything that pops up and i dont blame him a drive with fpv is a fairly good way to get your foot in the door

Falcon500
08-15-2003, 05:58 AM
im dead cetrtain it was him in the smiths trucks holden in the konica race that came third but it doensnt matter hes a free lancer he'll take anything that pops up and i dont blame him a drive with fpv is a fairly good way to get your foot in the door

fpv_gtho
08-15-2003, 07:26 PM
yeah he doesnt have a profile or anything on www.v8supercars.com.au, just his points in the konica series on the front page so yeah hes probably a freelancer

Falcon500
08-16-2003, 05:03 AM
and also fpv will be running a third car for the enduros and david besnards co driver is mark noske

fpv_gtho
08-16-2003, 05:28 AM
no i think mark noske is codriving with mark winterbottom for sbr. there wont be a third fpr race car believe me

Falcon500
08-16-2003, 05:42 AM
well that isnt what they put on the fpv website

fpv_gtho
08-16-2003, 06:16 AM
this is an article for the sbr drivers:

http://www.v8supercars.com/news/latestnews/newsdisplay.asp?gid=7558


this is one for fpr:

http://www.fpv.com.au/fpr/index.asp?link_id=5.536

Falcon500
08-16-2003, 07:24 AM
thank you for putting that straight

fpv_gtho
08-16-2003, 05:22 PM
did anyone c how much ambrose blitzed the sprintout for oran park yesterday. half a second around oran parks supposed to be like a lifetime. looks like ambrose is still carrying speed from his catch up on skaife after queensland

Falcon500
08-17-2003, 03:13 AM
mmmmm what a race :D ambrose in first with a very healthy lead at one stage lowndes in secon d and had a healthy lead on skaife skaife is picking up again which is good hes taking away from more competaive holdens who need the points more then him :D bright got knoked off his forst place pirch like a T-ball and a reasonble showing in the top 10 by other fords bowe ingall and canto all in all a great race

fpv_gtho
08-19-2003, 01:57 AM
i was surprised to c cameron mcconville finish 9th

Falcon500
08-19-2003, 03:18 AM
i was hurt to see seto go out with a dead cylender :( Camm is a top driver he exceds the car in all relisum i never ould of picked Dean Canto to be up in 10th either

fpv_gtho
08-19-2003, 03:25 AM
i think hes getting used to being part of a team, not the sole driver of the team after his couple of years running gsr

Falcon500
08-19-2003, 03:33 AM
he was doing good too he was 8th after he done his tier change early because of a puncture but then pitted and rolled it into the garage after it dropped a cylender the worst part he got a big fat 0 for points and also he said with all his spare time not running gsr hes going to work on his fitness and physical health which should help him a bit

fpv_gtho
08-19-2003, 03:39 AM
did u hear about the training schedule dick johnson sent steven on? something like twice a day for 6 days a week, and evry session he misses he gets fined $100. when i heard that he hadnt been fined yet

Falcon500
08-19-2003, 03:50 AM
well that because steven let him self go he was (for a driver that is) unfit and not healthy so dick made an ultimadum of shape up or ship out and he chose the shape up option so dick put him on the schedule and he said i dont care if he doesnt win races only if he trys and with this effort hes putting in now hes sure trying

fpv_gtho
08-19-2003, 03:56 AM
yeah well this year all u need is results to get in the top 10

Falcon500
08-19-2003, 04:06 AM
well stevens not having shuch a bad thing though we havent really noticed him hes only a stones throw away from the top 10. 1 good result will see him nail tenth for the year

fpv_gtho
08-19-2003, 04:11 AM
yeah my points just emphasised by brights performance, but what about the fight ambrose put up to get to 1st. it wasnt really much of a fight though, hes easily cruised into the podium the last 6 rounds, 5 of those at the top

Falcon500
08-19-2003, 04:16 AM
Im probably going to get shot down for this but paul morris is a wanker! ambrose said he almost spun when he barged passed him and he biffed and barged with skaife and i base what i said on the fact he blocks he got black falgged this race twice 1st for his incident and second for blocking and in earlier year hes been at the root of a lot of trouble hes a good driver he just needs to vlean up his act and give some racing room instead of driving like some kid on the v8 super car driver game

fpv_gtho
08-19-2003, 04:29 AM
from ur description he sounds like a go-cart driver. he did seem a bit anxious just to get through the first 2 corners, considering it was a 111 lap race

Falcon500
08-19-2003, 05:19 AM
i know i was a bit rough on his description he is in the top level but when he was in the big kev car he was defending his line 4 laps down and he was blocking everyone who went by including one MR seton and mr skaife even though i dont like skaife i think its a little unfair to be held up by some guy who cant admit its over for him

fpv_gtho
08-19-2003, 05:22 AM
who was it on the weekend that almost got penalised for bad sportsmanship when he didnt elt someone through that was on the lead lap

Falcon500
08-19-2003, 05:55 AM
oh thats right almost it was mr morris in the black sirromet wines car with the ornage bonnet unless there ws another incident

fpv_gtho
08-19-2003, 06:00 AM
did morris even finish the race? he would have copped a bit from other drivers after the race

Falcon500
08-19-2003, 06:14 AM
well he probaly wouldent care last iheard he was sueing every other v8super car team when he failed to do somthing to get a liscence upgrade of somkind

fpv_gtho
08-19-2003, 06:20 AM
yeah with that driving style of his it doesnt surprise me he got knocked back

Falcon500
08-19-2003, 06:32 AM
what really pisses me off is he is a good diver and then he makes himself look like a dick by doing stuff like that! on another subject i was suprised to see skaife and kelly paring up and jim richards and tony lonngurst paring up also

fpv_gtho
08-19-2003, 06:35 AM
its an attempt to make the ingall/ambrose pairing feel uncomfortable on race day

Falcon500
08-19-2003, 09:13 PM
well it bugs me because i cant figure out why their doing it! both jim Richards and Tony Longhurst are still both top drivers if they keep up with this decision ill pick them two over the skaife/kelly paring

fpv_gtho
08-21-2003, 04:16 AM
yeah well i dont think skaifeys gunna change his mind. if u reckon longhurst and richards could beat skaife and kelly, do u reckon theyre gunna have a chance againts ambrose/ingall or lowndes/seton?

Falcon500
08-21-2003, 04:25 AM
I wouldent count them out they in my opinion despite their age are still capable of winnig look at jim richards hes winning carrera cup and targa tassie still and shows no signs of slowing down and tony longhurst won it last year with skaife and was a full time driver the year before. i think theyll be one of the most thretaning holdens out there

fpv_gtho
08-21-2003, 04:33 AM
yeah weel i think fords gunna break the 4 year drought at bathurst this year if skaife/kelly and richards/longhurst are the biggest threat

Falcon500
08-21-2003, 05:12 AM
well one thing you cant tdo at bathurst is assume though i am thinking well have a good year

fpv_gtho
08-21-2003, 05:19 AM
yeah weel the odds are in fords favour this year. i would have like to see the result of last weekends race with ingall not geting a puncture on the first couple of laps

Falcon500
08-23-2003, 05:05 AM
too bad its not the sport it once was eh? i loved the Group C touring cars at least you could buy somthing like they raced instead of somthing that looks a little like what they race. and the racing was good it still had classes ran large fields and it was just plain great

fpv_gtho
08-23-2003, 05:28 AM
what years were they racing group c?

Falcon500
08-23-2003, 06:58 AM
1973-85 i think

fpv_gtho
08-24-2003, 02:20 AM
the race cars would have been more powerful thatn the road cars though

Falcon500
08-24-2003, 05:32 AM
yeah of course you were aloud to modify what you got except you had to keep the stock casing for the gear box and the origanl diff case and stuff like that

fpv_gtho
08-24-2003, 07:06 AM
so mainly internal, exhaust and intake mods allowed

Falcon500
08-25-2003, 04:59 AM
yeah i think they all used to mod their exuast they ran open headers too my brother said qwhen he heard greens Tff Dick jhonasons green car the ground was shaking the thing i liked was that you could go buy an XD and fix it up to (somthing) like what dick jhonson was fangin around in same with the commadores too

fpv_gtho
08-25-2003, 05:46 AM
you can do commos and falcons up today to be like the supercars. ive seen 520kw kits for commodores on the net, and soon some BA kits will appear as well

Falcon500
08-25-2003, 06:17 AM
ive alredy seen a road going au that runs an SVO block much like a v8 super car it had the body kit too

fpv_gtho
08-25-2003, 06:20 AM
i wouldnt want to own one though, too expensive to run

Falcon500
08-25-2003, 06:27 AM
too bloody expensive in the first plce and i dont have one of them hats to go with it either :mad:

fpv_gtho
08-25-2003, 06:29 AM
eh what do u mean hats

Falcon500
08-25-2003, 06:33 AM
thi is actualy a very blonde meonet that was ment for the volvo one :D i got lost hahah

fpv_gtho
08-25-2003, 06:35 AM
gawd how did u manage to get lost, its only a bloody forum

Falcon500
08-25-2003, 06:43 AM
well im only human too? not a brilliant one at that :p duhhhhhh

fpv_gtho
08-25-2003, 06:46 AM
wateva. the forums are quite clearly marked

Falcon500
08-25-2003, 07:00 AM
so are road maps yet at work i have people stop and ask for directions

fpv_gtho
08-25-2003, 07:04 AM
well if road maps had a page for every street and such, no one would get lost would they.

Falcon500
08-28-2003, 06:07 AM
they might as the old saying goes make somthing thats fool proof and they make a better fool.

fpv_gtho
08-29-2003, 01:59 AM
what do u reckon fpv's gunna come out with first, an australian tuned focus RS, or a production version of the xr6t entered in targa tasmania this year?

Falcon500
08-30-2003, 03:29 AM
well i would think the FPV focus RS will come first mainly because the XR6T used in targa tassie this year was tuned by herrod motor sport but they will come out with one real soon.

fpv_gtho
08-30-2003, 03:32 AM
the upgraded xr6t would be easier to do though

Falcon500
08-30-2003, 03:39 AM
well with headers a software upgrade and some extra boost and i think a stout 260-270 kw from the foctory is in order.

fpv_gtho
08-30-2003, 03:42 AM
that alones going too far. an upgraded chip has been proven good for about 300kw, increasing the psi at the same time ova 300rpm. headers would brign it to about 310-320kw

Falcon500
08-30-2003, 03:50 AM
uhh no your assuming im saying go all the way i mean very mild mods in those fields and we cant hav ethem out performing the GTS wont that look bad

fpv_gtho
08-30-2003, 03:54 AM
it wouldnt take much for it to happen. if fpv made their version of the xr6t, it would surely beat the gt, and that would only push expectations of a gtho higher

Falcon500
08-30-2003, 03:59 AM
no theyu would make sure it doesnt out perform the GT thety would even go to the point of not making one to make sure of that. Of that i am dead certain

fpv_gtho
08-30-2003, 04:01 AM
yeah well the xr6t almost beats the gt as it is. its been voted a better overall car because of its 20K cheaper price tag

Falcon500
08-30-2003, 04:10 AM
yeah they wont let it out perform any of their v8s notice how its a few tenths slower then the Xr8 inspite of its potential they want to keep a v8 in the line up it wont sell if the 6 shiots all over kit (which it nealrly does)

fpv_gtho
08-30-2003, 04:13 AM
i havent seen any road teste where the xr8 has been faster than the xr6t. the fastest ive seen for the turbo is 5.91 and for the xr8 6.16

Falcon500
08-30-2003, 04:41 AM
i have seen plenty its always been only tenths of a few seconds faster it doesnt really justify the exrta money for an XR8 but i would rather an 8

fpv_gtho
08-30-2003, 04:44 AM
maybe ford claims the xr8 to be slightly faster but most people get the turbo faster. the most ridiculous time ive seen for a ba though is 6.4 for a gt-p, done by wheels when they tested the phase 3, ht monaro 35, gts coupe and gt-p

Falcon500
08-30-2003, 04:52 AM
make a note a lot of these guys are journalists not racers and they need to find reasons to bitch and winge if theres anytrhing to bitch about they will so even if they think its slower theyll bitch and winge they do a lot of that.

fpv_gtho
08-30-2003, 04:55 AM
yeah but wheels, when they test cars, have two people in it at once, as well as their testing equipment which would weight a bit

Falcon500
08-30-2003, 05:09 AM
well that will hobble all their cars they test though.

fpv_gtho
08-30-2003, 06:31 AM
yeah but their first test of the xr6 turbo, when they compared it to the vyss, they got 5.82(ss) and 5.91(xr6t), which is what id expect motor magazine to get. wheels also got 6.2 for the xr8 when they compared it against the clubsport and vyss, and they got 6.1(clubby) and 6.3(ss), and that test is the only accurate test really ever done by wheels. i think fords claims are both 6.2 for the xr8 and turbo though. motor magazine though, when they first tested the clubsport, got 6.1, then when they tested it against the gt, got 5.7 and 5.9(gt).

Falcon500
08-30-2003, 07:26 AM
which test are you talking about anyways if im looking at speed i look at the 1/4 mile times

fpv_gtho
08-30-2003, 07:30 AM
im talkin about 0-100km and if ur lookin at speed u look at the speedo

Falcon500
08-30-2003, 07:42 AM
yeah no shit? i prefer to look at genuine racing conditions all consdiring i come from a racing oritated family. And also a 1/4 mile test is a good indication of a lot of things "if" you have a moroso slide rule"or" the mathimatical equasions but any ways id be happier if they told us how fast these things go around oran park for examlpe with paul stokell behind the wheel or jhon bowe who does a lot of testing.

fpv_gtho
08-30-2003, 07:45 AM
john bowe does most of the suspension development for the gt's

Falcon500
08-31-2003, 03:52 AM
ahh hes testes a lot of things he helped choose the tyers and offerd ideas on some refinements that could be offerd for a driver.

fpv_gtho
08-31-2003, 03:55 AM
hed be up there as one of australias highest payed drivers. he does v8s, nations cup, tests for ford and has his own driving school

Falcon500
08-31-2003, 04:30 AM
Hell be making a fair wad but if you broke them all up individualy youll find out that most of his jobs dont pay any better then my mum gets celaning the hospital Nations cup popular class but the driver dont get that much,driving schools arnt great for money.testing for ford that would pay ok and v8 supercars their will be a good ammount their but as i said put them all together and hes doing very well for himself not bad for a man who turned 50 last year. 2 times bathurst champion 1 times series champion and a good bloke too got a mate talk with him at all the local meetings.

fpv_gtho
08-31-2003, 06:06 AM
i think driving would pay pretty good, theres alot of danger involved and skill as well

Falcon500
08-31-2003, 06:58 PM
Nah im actually serious Paul Stokell top driver in team lamborgini only gets payed the national average wage and hes winning the nations cup championship(this isnt counting prize money) but the biggest bonus of the job their getting payed for what they love.The only place where any real money is in racing in this country is v8 supercars the rest on offer is pittance their is only 2 full time drivers in nations cup (Bowe and Stokell) and the rest have second jobs its just a weekend thing for them even with defined racers like Greg Crick and Nathan Pretty and this is the second biggest class in the country!

fpv_gtho
08-31-2003, 11:32 PM
ambrose would be doin pretty well, hes already scored $20K from his 4 poles for the season

Falcon500
09-01-2003, 03:16 AM
And to think we picked up marcos for a basement bargin price after his little trip to europe.

fpv_gtho
09-01-2003, 03:21 AM
yeah well skaif and ambrose are just 21st centruy versions of brock and moffat

Falcon500
09-01-2003, 03:32 AM
Yeah except Skaife is old and has slipped this year because of things out of his controll.

fpv_gtho
09-01-2003, 03:35 AM
yeah traction out-of-control. ambrose has just come into his prime earlier, skaife still has his best years ahead of him, and ambrose is living up what most people would consider a dream

Falcon500
09-01-2003, 03:41 AM
skaife was actually winning during group A internationl in a skyline (one of the reasons i dont like him) and when the new series came in he was with out a drive and ended up in the SEGA commadore untill he was put in as HRTs second driver this recent thing has been sort of a second comming for him and as you said he has many years i usualy say hes old more to stir holden fans than anything else.

fpv_gtho
09-01-2003, 03:44 AM
yeah well most people with some driving knowledge wouldnt have lost in the r32 gtr's. the race spec versions were about 600kw i think, or close to it

Falcon500
09-01-2003, 03:53 AM
well i do have another dimesinson to add to this thread Grey impoted Jap cars are detuned when they come into the factory they drop the boost on them. I know a bloke his old man got a supra and they dropped like 4lb of boost from it. Its common practice on all grey imported cars apprently.

fpv_gtho
09-01-2003, 04:00 AM
yeah but grey imports get send to warehouses, not the factory, so it depend who imports them what gets done. ive seen a toyota v8 soarer with the original jap buttons on the centre console screen

Falcon500
09-01-2003, 04:05 AM
Not a big fan of Jap cars in general let alone used ones if they want them let them enjoy them. But yeah theres a few things that must be done to them the boost is one of them.

fpv_gtho
09-01-2003, 04:10 AM
yeah well they cant enjoy them, after 3 years they sell them all, probably why the fuel cell cars made by honda and toyota are only rentals. how would u fell about buying one of the limited edition sti s20s imprezas just to have to sell it afta 3 yeas

Falcon500
09-01-2003, 04:34 AM
WEll i woudlent enjoy them either little buzz boxes but yeah you wouldent fell to bad you will have another faster one to replace it.

fpv_gtho
09-01-2003, 04:36 AM
the s202 was a real collectore edition. it even had like a 224kw engine or sumtin round about that

Falcon500
09-01-2003, 05:13 AM
I dont like em not ever since the group A incindent!

fpv_gtho
09-01-2003, 05:15 AM
what was the group a incident

Falcon500
09-01-2003, 05:27 AM
The introudction of the catigory! no heve you ever heard of the reason why jim richards is called "Gentalman" Jim?

fpv_gtho
09-01-2003, 05:50 AM
nah havent heard that one

Falcon500
09-01-2003, 03:17 PM
well bathurst one year (i cant find out which havent got the time) He was leading for a good part of the racve anyays the heavens opend up and pissed down rain and both they skylines that were comming 1-2 went verring off the track leving dick Johnson to take the lead and then the red falgged the race leaving Jim richards anbd mark skaife to take the win. Well anyway on the podium the public decided they didnt like this so they threw beer cans at them and booed him and he ran up to the microphone and yelld "YOUR A PACK OF ARSEHOLES" and thats the story of how "gentalman" Jim riachards earned his name

fpv_gtho
09-01-2003, 11:39 PM
interesting, sounds like how radisich beat ingall at some race in 2001. the gtr's should have been able to stay on track pretty well though

Falcon500
09-02-2003, 03:33 PM
thasts what happens when you go too fast on slicks, And that race was the Queansland 500. But any ways people hated the Group A catigory most people were glad to see it gone by 93.

fpv_gtho
09-02-2003, 11:34 PM
how did they run it between 93 and 97 then, cause after 97 it was v8's only

Falcon500
09-04-2003, 03:34 AM
93 was the inception of the catigory somthing like we know its its eveolved a hell of a lot since it forst came in pitting Vps against EBs

fpv_gtho
09-04-2003, 07:58 AM
i think what happened was in 93 they had two categories, v8's and like a productino category and in 97 the production category got scrapped or sumtin

Falcon500
09-04-2003, 03:31 PM
Prehaps your thinking of when bathurst was apart of the world touring cars calender (the AMP 1000) and some kind of volvo won that race?

fpv_gtho
09-04-2003, 08:05 PM
maybe, there was also a bmw 3 series that won

Falcon500
09-05-2003, 04:51 AM
Whtacing an epsiode of rpm the other day we had 2 bathursts one for v8s and one for 2 liters which the public wasnt happy about.

fpv_gtho
09-06-2003, 12:27 AM
they must have had something goin on cause in 97 geoff and david brabham won in a bmw 320i as well as larry perkins and russel ingall then in 98 rickard rydell and jim richards won in a volvo s40 as well as jason bright and steven richards

Falcon500
09-07-2003, 03:36 AM
Thems were confusing times when the super tourers (what became of the group A catigory) and the v8 super cars both held bathurts they put an end to that with the death of super tourers. Oh i miss them. NOT :p Exberts predict that we will be suprised in the enduros too they said that people you wont expect are very likly to do well/win.

fpv_gtho
09-07-2003, 03:43 AM
r u talkin about the sandown 500 and bathurst 1000 cumin up in 1 and 5 weeks time

Falcon500
09-07-2003, 03:51 AM
Thats exactly it in wondering if what they say will come true?

fpv_gtho
09-07-2003, 04:00 AM
well im betting on consistent pairings, like that of lowndes and seton, or ambrose and ingall

Falcon500
09-07-2003, 05:16 AM
I have my favortites but it aint over untill its over.

fpv_gtho
09-07-2003, 05:26 AM
yeah thats definately true, especially in the enduro's.

Falcon500
09-07-2003, 06:09 AM
Exactly so just sit back and enjoy the ride and scream for you favorites when they do well :D

fpv_gtho
09-07-2003, 06:11 AM
yeah well i wish i was goin to them, theyre better not be any dickheads with plastic bags again this year

Falcon500
09-07-2003, 06:14 AM
Lets hope Cromlys campagin for people to bring reusable bags to the race track worked.

fpv_gtho
09-07-2003, 06:19 AM
yeah but then we'll go back to the 80's where people threw rocks at cars and caused them to go bush aka dick johnsons little incident

Falcon500
09-07-2003, 02:21 PM
Well thanks to that incident it saved dick Jhonsons career the public donated 70k near enough and the goverment matched it so he had a wad to spend on greens tough which he whooped arse with :D the classic story i think was when on track security was not very good and sopme guy in a valinet (this is in the mid 70s) got on track and was lapping at roughly 40 mph and got in everyones way there was one point in the race where allan moffat squeazed past him in the tightest part in the track and when queastioned about it he was like "was their a white valient on the track? i didnt notice".

fpv_gtho
09-07-2003, 10:26 PM
either way, i wouldnt be surprised if they get customs to check whats comin on the grounds this october in an attempt to keep shit off the track, even white valiants

Falcon500
09-08-2003, 02:45 AM
Well them custom cheacks arnt very good i can tell you theyll need to step it up a little.

fpv_gtho
09-08-2003, 02:48 AM
i found something funny earlier today that just makes me think more that sbr's gunna win sandwon this year. ambrose was the last perosn to win at sandown, last round last year,and ingall was the last person to win the 500 enduro at sandown in 98

Falcon500
09-08-2003, 03:17 AM
Oh well we can only hope.

fpv_gtho
09-10-2003, 04:18 AM
well the sbr/hrt rivalry's really gunna fire up this weekend as hrt put skaife and kelly in skaifes new car. so it looks like theyre not gunna use the aurora engine though

Falcon500
09-11-2003, 04:49 AM
All atmospher my friend just like any competative soport its a good feeling :D

fpv_gtho
09-11-2003, 04:52 AM
it be interesting to see if sbr's wuick tire and fuel stops get reflected on their brake pad stops. im seriously gunna have a good belly laugh if sbr and hrt are put next to each other in the pits again

Falcon500
09-12-2003, 04:10 PM
Well i hope for our salesmans sake that a SBR car wins he placed $500 on either of the Stones cars to win (either ambroses or winterbottems car) And also larry will be racing itll be nice to see him come back though he said that he thinks hes dropped and will need richo to put in 110% where he might be only able to give 90% not the sound of confidence he usally has he is a realist but never usually that negative.

fpv_gtho
09-12-2003, 05:34 PM
did u hear about larry's and brocks 84 series commodore being brought back into the country

Falcon500
09-13-2003, 03:27 AM
Never knew it left :rolleyes: Where was it NOO ZULLAND? or somwhere else? But yeah it does me good to hear of the racing cars still alive today thats why i like the Australian Muslce car mag so much they tell you of past glories great cars (old and new) and they tell you of survivors from race duty!

fpv_gtho
09-13-2003, 03:53 AM
it got taken over to europe to race as a vauxhall/opel and stayed there till recently

Falcon500
09-13-2003, 05:31 AM
Oh yeah thats right the commadore was based on a opel somthing o rather. Im not very good with forigen stuff how well did it go over there?

fpv_gtho
09-13-2003, 05:36 AM
dunno, but all the commodores so far have been based on an opel, and opels jsut said they wont be producing their won designed rwd cars anymore, rather taking either the commodore and redressing it or working with gm on a product to be shared with america or sumtin along those lines

Falcon500
09-13-2003, 06:20 AM
Well the choices are getting pretty slim unless they want to base it on the corvette (which i seriously doubt) other then that there is hardly any other adiquite rwd v8 powerd cars out there top base it on.

fpv_gtho
09-13-2003, 08:26 AM
well i think in detroit what they want to do is either make a global car that shares components with the VE commo or globalise the VE commodore further than the middle east. either way, the VE commodores probably gunna be the most australian designed commo yet, as opel wont have a car to base it off

Falcon500
09-14-2003, 03:59 AM
Yeah well also dont forget it was based on an opel product and was then taken to america and given a work over with the help of holden enginerrs and then produced here they had less local content then the falcon or the magna.

fpv_gtho
09-14-2003, 04:04 AM
the falcon's been 100% local since 1972 but i think the commo's more local than the magna. the magna's still heavily jap based and i think they just do unique suspension setups for oz

Falcon500
09-14-2003, 04:44 AM
Uhhh 100% is a little bit of an overstaement but no the magna was all prudced here all parts and development though it is using a jap base (their world car ideas which we modify)

fpv_gtho
09-14-2003, 06:24 AM
why not 100%? there hasnt been an american falcon since about 1969/1970, and even still, the last aussie made falcon that pretty close to identical to the american falcon was the xp. since the xr, ford started making the aussie falcon different, and for the xa, it was fully australian developed, engineered and designed. theres bugger all modified to the magna from what i can see. put an american diamante, aussie magna and whateva they call in it japan all together and the only difference will be their driving style to suit their respective countries of origin

Falcon500
09-15-2003, 03:14 AM
well our drive by wire systems are imported so are the peadel boxes on the autos and just a few other bits and peices it still has the higest local content all the stuff was desinged here and most parts are made here.

fpv_gtho
09-15-2003, 03:21 AM
u wont find many manufacturers that would locally source all the componentry like that. most australians would be thinking of the bodyshell when u talk about the car being designed and developed somewhere though. i can definately see a low ride height 4wd falcon either turning up at the sydeny motor show or next years melbourne show. autoweb.com.au and carpoint.ninemsn.com.au both have articles on fords new 4wd system and all the other new electronic programs going into the ecu like hill descent control and active stability control, and theyve show a pitcure of a 4wd test mule, which is obviously the 4wd running gear underneath the normal sedan body. the wheels in the pic must me a popular design at ford, cause ive seen them on a test mule of an au shell with ba running gear that was going round the nurburgring (i think thats how its spelt)

Falcon500
09-15-2003, 04:05 AM
Yeah but the local monufactuor thing is full car but all that aside i have seen an AU that was zooming around sweeden (pictures of course) with basicly the same system but the nurburg ring (its pronounced that way its funny haring cromly say it NUR---burg incredibly famous track must be taking it around the world to test conmdition rather then just local stuff maybey this is a sign of bigger things to come?

fpv_gtho
09-15-2003, 04:41 AM
well for the BA, they took it round the world, like to sweden again and it hink maybe even to death valley california to test things like operating temps i guess. the big issue with sewdish testing for the territory would be to see how it handles the snow i guess. australia might not have much snow but the areas that do have it i bet anyone that owned a territory there would be pissed if the car couldnt handle it

Falcon500
09-15-2003, 05:03 AM
I was thinking maybey it will be one of fords worl model cars or maybey theyll get exported to other countires as well?

fpv_gtho
09-15-2003, 06:05 AM
well north america definately need a new rwd car, theres no need for the falcon in the middle east at the moment, as theyre in love with the crown victoria, and theres a handful or so AU's floating around europe, not badged as ford falcons though. its funny how many yanks when they see pictures of post 1990 falcons think that we've ressurrected an american legend or sumtin, probably as a result of holden providing the gto, but in reality we didnt give up on the falcon liek the yanks did. if there was ever a point that we wouldve given up on it, 2 points actually, they wouldve been if the BA was a flop like the AU and when the XK falcon started breaking front suspension components as ford australia didnt change the setup for our roads

Falcon500
09-15-2003, 09:06 PM
Well the XL was a very lame attempt to fix the problems on the XK then there was XM whic was mildy better but not good enough and then came the XP which was much better and ford put its crediblity on the line (what litle they had left) with the endurance drive which healed their reputation but was later fully repaired when the XR came out. I wouldent think they yank would be thinking were reviving an american ledgend the vibe i get from them they didnt like them all to much.

fpv_gtho
09-15-2003, 11:25 PM
i think they mustnt of like them when they were still priducing them, which is why they stopped making american ones, and now theyre looking back on them with more respect, and seeing what australia later produced with cars like the xa-xc, which they wouldve seen in the mad max movies. the xl falcon wouldnt have had much funding behind it to fix the problems of the xk that should have been rectified during development for local conditions, like front suspension that was only smooth on the highway

fpv_gtho
09-16-2003, 11:08 PM
do u reckon if they exported the falcons back to america that locoln and mercury would want to have theyre own version?

fpv_gtho
09-16-2003, 11:09 PM
lincoln sorry

Falcon500
09-22-2003, 04:15 AM
more then likly with ford and licoln and ford its usually a case of monkey see monkey do.

fpv_gtho
09-22-2003, 04:30 AM
what do u think mercury as: fomoco's semi luxury division or there performacne devision, cause in the 60's and 70's, they were there performance devision and now they say there the semi- luxury devision, inbetween lincoln and ford america

Falcon500
09-22-2003, 04:53 AM
I dont know they have been making very soft cars of late though the company wants to chage that image.

fpv_gtho
09-22-2003, 05:03 AM
maybe with cars like the messenger their image will change for the better

Falcon500
09-22-2003, 05:17 AM
we can only hope

fpv_gtho
09-22-2003, 05:29 AM
either way, what happens to mercury doesnt really affect ford australia or the australian market

Falcon500
09-26-2003, 04:19 AM
Well if its a good enough product we might find ourselves importing it in smalle numbers like the mustang itll be like a second comming of american cars here.

fpv_gtho
09-26-2003, 05:53 AM
i dare say the interior quality of any mercury that ford oz thought could rake in sales over hear would be worse than a falcon XT. from what ive seen from pictures of the '03 svt cobra, my friends VS commodore looks marginally better, and if mercury are supposed to now be a semi luxury brand, i doubt they'd come up with a completely different interior etc, id expect lincoln to do that

Falcon500
09-26-2003, 06:12 AM
well in a way your comparing apples with oranges the SVT cobra doesnt really have interior in mind. But the Mercuary wont look too flash but it more thenn likly would be up to the job as i said if the products good enoguh maybey itll add a little versitility to our new range.

fpv_gtho
09-26-2003, 06:16 AM
yeah but you could take any american car at the top of a bread-and-butter range, compare the interior to a 5 year old australian car and itll be the local that comes off better. mercury dont really have that great a reuputation here so if ford decided to bring a shipment of cars over, theyd almost be starting from scratch in marketing terms

Falcon500
09-27-2003, 01:23 AM
Umm i really am not to sure on that note ive been in a few new american cars and they all have had leather interiors and though thin their seats were very suportive. But as i said before i fiddle around with cars that are nigh on 20 years or older so they were quite flash.

fpv_gtho
09-27-2003, 06:31 AM
american cars though have past their prime i reckon. most people when they think of world class cars think of european cars and hardly ever think of american cars, unless its a car with a powerful motor and stipped out, lightweight body, like the Z06, viper and svt cobra

Falcon500
09-28-2003, 04:46 AM
yeah your probly right i wouldent touch v6 model anything from american with a 10' pole though i wouldent compain about any of their v8 models.

fpv_gtho
09-28-2003, 08:45 PM
the only cars to come out of america that i'd be truly proud of are the original gt40, the new ford gt, the saleen s7 and the corvette zo6

Falcon500
09-29-2003, 03:12 AM
there is nothing wrong with the mustangs or the camros (other them my alergy to the v6 range) and on that note there is nothing wrong with galixies,cougers,monte carlos,riveras,firbirds and the list gos on they are mavelous cars usually with boot loads of power (not so prelavent after 74 when they intoruucd pollutin laws but them cars still wenrt so bad and now they are on the mend) so dont exclude the whole lot there is a lot of good cars in america and still good ones being made. We hapen to own 2 american cars both 65 studebakers cruisers we have never had any problems with either though the drums all round got a little hairy down by the quarry when i was on my L's and the seat isnt very supportive and fairly slippery and i do miss side mirros while driving them.

fpv_gtho
09-29-2003, 06:26 AM
well the americans made some prety good cars during and before the 70's, but more often then not, the cars came stock ready for the drag strip, so u had to be careful when coming across corners, unless u were in a lightweight like a shelby gt-350 or hemi cuda

Falcon500
09-29-2003, 05:37 PM
Youll find that most mustangs handeled quite well as well as the camaros and other cars like them as i said i used to cruise around in a 65 studebaker which i found eaiser to drive then a lot of current peices of shit its stering although heavy when manuvring was responsive and had an exelent road feel through the wheel (somthing ive never experianced in a car with power steering) and it was also very stable on the road with a large wheel base and reasonably wide tyers its felt sturdy on the road (somthing smaller cars dont have) and its solid body wont crumple around you like a beer can! ive seen a 96 celica tap a trailer and its ruined the front end i wouldent mention this if crumple zomes wenrt supposed to prevent injury the poor woman (whos fault it was incidently) sent her head through the stearing wheel so much for stopping the shock going to the driver she got hurst just as bas as snyone else and it cost her a small fortune to replace nearly every single thing in the front end(lights, pannels, bumpers, bonnet etc etc) and also with their so called primative suspension system they are quite easy to (relativly cheap) to improve and modify.

fpv_gtho
09-29-2003, 08:02 PM
believe it or not though the celica's still pretty safe, like in the first milli-seconds of the crash, the cars absorbing most of the shock, rather than the driver. in big crashes u dont tend to see the benefits, but like in a big, 1970's seperate chassis yank tank, if u hit something at over say 60-80km/h, its sudden shock going straight to the body and causes crap like trauma and whiplash, which lead to the stories like if the victim had've sneezed after the accident, they would've broken their neck

Falcon500
09-30-2003, 12:29 AM
I can see the advantages of crumple zones and stuf though i still would prefer somthing solid around me all the same. Like what my old man said the studebaker would be safer on the highway then almost any new car out there but around town "YOU" would be better off in a new car. I also think somthing like the small 4 bangers of the 70s-80s would be good around town like my sunny it would just give way to anything it hit id be fine but the car wouldent.(assuming it was smallish crash)

fpv_gtho
09-30-2003, 07:20 AM
for me id still take a modern car in any crash. probably the worst would be something like an 80's hatch when they first started on crumple zones and such and hadnt yet perfected it

Falcon500
10-02-2003, 04:14 AM
well where ever your comfort zone lies I guess. I personaly dont think their perfected because f you see some of those highway crashes their isnt much left and the people in the car were smeared all over the place. OK new subject this one making me think back.

fpv_gtho
10-02-2003, 07:11 AM
yeah but no ones gunna come off better against a truck, which most of those accidents involved. the bloody governemnts trying to crack down on speed and such cause they reckon it accounts for 40% or so of accidents, but how many of the accidents are cars plowing into trucks, where the crumple zones and airbags do shit all cause trucks are still built like bricks. its bloody hilarious that the northern territiry lets you decide you own limit, has the highest road deaths, yet claims the least speeding deaths. too bad the rest of the country has its head in the toilet

Falcon500
10-02-2003, 05:16 PM
Well my old man works with buses and before that he was a truck driver and all the accidents hes had behind the wheel of a heavy vehical each one was proven to be someone elses fault (3 in total 2 of them people ploughing through the mid section of his bus! no one was killed in either of these accidents thank god) Well my grand father lived in the northan territory for a hell of a long time and he said the road toll wasnt bad in the years he was there (late70s, parts of the 80s) and ive got a friend who lived in that region most of her life and she said most people behaved fairly well on them roads. The major reason for the limitless speed is the fact its a giant streach from town to town there its somthing that works for the state (evein if very queastionably).
And also dont forget statistics dont tell the whole story at the moment its queansland who has the highest road toll for the holidays and it has been for many years now should we slow Queanslanders down so they do less then us? or ban holidays in that state?

fpv_gtho
10-02-2003, 08:56 PM
i dunno really. what do u think would happen to the road toll if the govenrment showed more horrific chrashes in the media? it would surely make some people think twice about how theyre driving

Falcon500
10-03-2003, 03:32 AM
Well if im rembering correctly in america they show horrific vidios about crashes and stuff (help me oput any american whos looking at this) but itll stope a small majority just like the 7 foot wall around my school it only stops the people who arnt too fussed.
as a hobby i also collect crash pictures of skylines

fpv_gtho
10-05-2003, 01:40 AM
what a wreck! dont show that one to r34_296kw, u know how protective he is of his skylines, especially his dad's

Falcon500
10-05-2003, 05:11 AM
Let him see it All of these pics were caused by the drivers being dick heads! thats how nearly all sktline drivers come across to people!

fpv_gtho
10-05-2003, 05:38 AM
haha i know someone who did that to an old VK calais. the guy was obsessed with them, same as my brother was obsessed with his ss

Falcon500
10-05-2003, 05:47 AM
VKs are nice cars though their 6s were lacking and they didnt have the baby v8 and manuals are as rare as hens teeth also which shits me. I got a mate who owns a VK its a nice car but it doesnt have any real effect on me just like most commadors