A Public Calling: To boost the reputation of users with under 20 reputation points!

[Egg Nog]

Just looking over the members list recently, I discovered that there were only a couple dozen members who can actually rate other users, and a few aren't even active. As of posting this, there are 3,256 members.

So, to those of us who can: Let's make a difference. Whenever you see a user under 20 points post something worthwhile, let them know how you feel, and bump them up a notch. Soon enough, we'll be rid of this exclusive club, and we'll have a few more of us in the fray ;)

I'm not saying that we should rate just anybody, because obviously there are going to be a few idiots who just flat-out don't deserve it. I'm saying that there's quite good users out there who need a voice.

Start the revolution. Let's get to it!

[Niko_Fx]

That sounds great Egg Nog, I've been trying hard to earn some points, I want to become a good member and well known in this forum. If you or some mod could check since when I have been in this web page's mailing list would be awesome, it's been many months since I visit this page, I'm a hardcore fan and from not long ago I became a forum member. I usually post pics and try to come up with original and good threads to grow up in this forum. I also give rep points many times but I'm under 20 so it doesn't work (I found that out like a week ago).

But well, good post and thanks.

[Matra et Alpine]

Let's make a difference. Whenever you see a user under 20 points post something worthwhile, let them know how you feel, and bump them up a notch. Soon enough, we'll be rid of this exclusive club, and we'll have a few more of us in the fray ;)
Start the revolution. Let's get to it!
I don't usually go for 'positive discrimination'.
If someone posts interesting, useful or funny I'll give them a rep point regardless of how many they have.
Why isn't that working out ??
Maybe it's just lethargy in folks not bothering to post points.
Dont' we want to encourage more people to vote and not just more of the high-ranked folks ?
Sorry I don't have a proposal how to achieve that whicih wouldnt' be taken advantage of :)
So, you've the only proposed 'solution' on the table and I'm happy to give it a try.
How will those on mid-range rank feel at new 'usurpers' overtaking them ?
It doesn't bother me as I like to give the feedback rather than just the rep point.

[Egg Nog]

How will those on mid-range rank feel at new 'usurpers' overtaking them

Well, presumably, they have already been able to get themselves to that point without anyone encouraging people to be proactive. If the cycle continues, they should continue to excel.

Keep in mind I'm not trying to be an advocate for blatant (pardon the language) reputation-whoring... I'm just calling to encourage those of us who can to support the handful of deserving people under 20 rep. points when they otherwise (for whatever reason) might not. Once they reach that point, they're "on their own", so to speak, but until then, they deserve a voice.

Thanks for the support :)

[IBrake4Rainbows]

let me just say straight off the bat i never liked the reputation system, too fussy and to open to interpretation, if i say something someone doesn't like i could lose any number of reputation points, silly boys/girls/idiots with something to prove can wipe me out within the night. I never look at someones reputation before questioning them on certain issues. i find it pointless, too easy to unsurp and a poor reward system.

now, i do agree that the handful of people who have something decent to say, but only under 20 rep points to do it need a leg-up, as it were, but even then that will only bring the number of people ranking others to about 25-30. we would do better to try and eradicate people who are inactive, or do not make a post on the site for more than 6-months. that way we get a level playing field as people who are actually intrested, rather than just people signing on so that they can access mat's pictures or the TG videos.

i guess theres no stopping you Egg Nog, so i'll be in behind you, but just to let you know there must be a better way.

[Niko_Fx]

let me just say straight off the bat i never liked the reputation system, too fussy and to open to interpretation, if i say something someone doesn't like i could lose any number of reputation points, silly boys/girls/idiots with something to prove can wipe me out within t

Don't Worry, silly boys/girls/idiots never make it over 20 points ;) only people who actually cares about the forum and respects other people's opinions do.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

are you sure? even R34_296 managed to score a few rep points before his demise, some people listen to what they have to say, and some ven agree, and give them a +1, like i said thought. never liked the system.

[DasModell]

i'll say it again . never used it and probably never will .. i don;t think a forum needs reputation and stuff .. and i don;t need stimulation with reputation points to post interesting stuffs . and no one should...

[Egg Nog]

As I've said before, I'm not really a fan of the system either. I don't even know if this was such a good idea, but at least it could work a little with the system in place.

The most ideal solution would be to abolish the system. We tried it, it didn't really work, so let's get rid of it. I'm all in favour of that...

[crisis]

I dont think it should be taken too seriously. It can be a bit of fun and as I have said previously, a way of getting some members to tow the line. I beleive it has contributed in a small way to the overall quality of this site. R34_296 may have got some points from equally misguided persons however I dont think that sort of thing has much of a lifespan. I know Ive got over 50 and it may sound as if I want to maintain it for that reason but in fact I find it a little embarrasing as I believe there are people who make better posts than I. If it is dropped, I dont really care but I do enjoy the interaction it generates and it is just one more thing that makes this site interesting. I dish em out, good or bad anyway so in a way I am on Egg Nogs mission already. I do find it somewhat vexing when I am restricted from giving people points until I "spread the love" a little. I would say there would be a couple more over 50 if that hadnt been the case.

[Spastik_Roach]

I say keep it because it gives new users a guide as in who to trust and who to not trust. Just give it to who deserves it and take it away from people who do not deserve it. The whole reputation system seems like a good idea to me if used properly.

[fpv_gtho]

R34 probably got most of his points from when the system gave out 10 times as much points as it does now. im trying to get more active in the game of rep points as im able to give out 4 points per rating.

[NoOne]

I'm in favor of boosting ratings up to the 20 point mark and if they reach that point I would expect them to continue if not improve their post quality. What I mean is they should genuinely earn their points and strive to keep that rating.

On a side note I think all ratings should be worth only 1 point, I don't think the value of your opinion should be based on how many posts you have made.

[UK CARS]

Why is my rep only 8.
What am i doing wrong?
I try to not affend any one,and try to give my best opinions.
Why does no one like me :(

[byronleehk]

I'm a newbie here at this forum and the reason I'm here is because I love cars! I don't really care about how many points I have but I do care about how I behave :)

I am with Spastik & Matra. We are here (at least I am) because we all love cars and that we want to share our "love" with one another.

Just my $0.02.

[Mustang]

Why is my rep only 8.
What am i doing wrong?
I try to not affend any one,and try to give my best opinions.
Why does no one like me :(


i agree my rep is only 10 and i have been a member for a few months now. i try and post threads that i feel are different from others even though they are still about cars like everyone elses. i also try and post new pics that might not be on the fourm even though they prob will be somewhere. anyway i would like to become a true member of the fourm so... any chance of +1?

[UK CARS]

i agree my rep is only 10 and i have been a member for a few months now. i try and post threads that i feel are different from others even though they are still about cars like everyone elses. i also try and post new pics that might not be on the fourm even though they prob will be somewhere. anyway i would like to become a true member of the fourm so... any chance of +1?


looks like you got your wish mustang,
i just wish members gave me more reputation (hint hint),
I am a cheeky begger i know!

[carlover]

looks like you got your wish mustang,
i just wish members gave me more reputation (hint hint),
I am a cheeky begger i know!

Looks like you got your wish too! I think this whole boost rep. thing is a good idea. Sometimes I find it easy to get rep. and sometimes it's harder than ever. I could use the ability to change others rep. But your rep. doesn't really matter as long as you try to be a good member.

[crisis]

Guys, whats the use of asking for rep points. Like anything , if they arent earned, there not really worth much. We shouldnt get too hung up with them , they're not the most important thing on this site. Most of us wont be able to post stuff like Matra, EggNog etc do, so you have to deal with it. In my opinion if you want to earn rep points avoid posts like "which is better? car a or car b" , "whats your favorite whatever" and that type of thing. They usually end up in not much more than subjective opinions or arguments of how someone saw a "R34 towtalley wayste a Supra" etc.

[MrVette83]

Like a few of the people in this forum I am a newbie and still learning the system of points and all. After reading this post I feel as though I'm learning the ins and outs of it now and I would like to say I thank you Egg Nogg for helping the "little" people like us.

[MrVette83]

sorry about that, Egg Nog, not Nogg.

[fpv_gtho]

maybe a tip for some of the newer members, but ive found that when im just normally posting, trying to post good information i get more rep points than if i purposely try and outdo other people

[Egg Nog]

Thanks for the comments so far. What I agree most with here is NoOne's point that you should not be allowed a tilt of more than 1 point per rating.

I'd still like to stress to a few people that I'm not briging this up to magically spread reputation among those who don't have any. It's to encourage everyone who can vote to spread it amongst people who most deserve it. None of the people with high ratings have ever asked for points, or even (to the best of my memory) pointed out when they should've received some.


So essentially, this thread boils down to encourage two key points:

1) I encourage (all) members to put effort into their posts and how they conduct themselves. Don't do it for reputation points, do it because you want to. If you don't want to, then don't expect much.

2) For those of us who can, give credit where it's due.

[fpv_gtho]

i know its all in a matter of fairness that every user capable of affecting someone else's rating should only have a power of +/-1 point, but if we were to take away the 1 point per 1000posts system and implement 1 point once youve gotten 20, then would it really provide much encouragement for people to continue posting? i cant say that i continue each day to post on the forums so that i can affect someone's reputation more, but i think some people would be happier to give say 2 points rather than 1....

[henk4]

I know Ive got over 50 and it may sound as if I want to maintain it for that reason but in fact I find it a little embarrasing as I believe there are people who make better posts than I. If it is dropped, I dont really care but I do enjoy the interaction it generates and it is just one more thing that makes this site interesting.

I did something to reduce your embarrasment. :D

[Misho]

Ever since this whole reputation system started and everyone seemed to be too busy discussing it and intensive discussions and dedicated threads have been made for it. But I wasnt really convinced with the rep system since its implementation and i knew that it doesnt really reflect the posting qualuty of the user. So I kept thinking, there must be another way to sort of interpret those numbers that we all have under our nicknames.
Being an engineer, I am pretty good with maths. And being a just-graduated-not-working engineer, I have lots of free time !!
So after some research and calculations, I was able to invent what i like to call "The Misho Ratio". Its a new way to sort of understand each member's reputation and how he got his rep number.
The Misho ratio is basically the number of posts divided by the rep rating of the user. this will yield a posts per rep number (to be called the Misho number). this number shows how many posts that user needed to increase his rep rating by 1 point. obviously the lower ur Misho number, the better ur posts quality. because a user who needed 10 posts to increase his rating by 1 point, is (theoritically) better than a user who needed 60 posts to increase his rep rating by 1 point.
the following is a list of some of the older users and their Misho numbers:

henk4 1008/45 = 22.4

fpv_gtho 3610/41 = 88.0

Egg Nog 1260/50 = 25.2

crisis 1292/53 = 24.4

Misho 677/29 = 23.3

Matra 805/46 = 17.5

NoOne 801/44 = 18.2

Wouter 317/46 = 6.9

IBrake4Rainbows 234/42 = 5.6

this however is just the first phase of the Misho rep system. and it still has some weaknesses. this system is more suited to users with close number of posts. it is unfair to use this system to compare someone that has 5000 posts with someone that has 50 posts. why? because a brand new user with 26 posts and 13 rep points, has a Misho ratio of 2. very low number that doesnt truly reflect his posts' quality.
we can see how the best Misho numbers were reached by the 2 users that have substantially fewer posts that most of the other users on the list. (not to say that they dont deserve it).
what could be done to overcome this problem, is a extensive study of all the users numbers (posts and rep rating). then a correlation could be done to result in "range factors". what these will do, is to sort of level out all our Misho numbers and make them comparable to eachother without having to worry about no. of posts.
anyways, i hope this makes things a bit clearer (or perhaps more complicated!) to all of you. i am not sure if i will carry out the rest of the system tweaking in the near future or not. but if someone is interested, then maybe they can start it and i will help.
thanks a lot for your time and i apologise for the long and complicated posts.
have fun improving ur Misho numbers !!!

[NoOne]

Typical of an engineer to make something appear more complicated than it need be. ;)

The best description I have heard for an engineer:
Someone who solves a problem you didn't know you had, in a way you don't understand
;) :D

BTW: I noticed you lost interest in the wife as soon as I offered her as a package with the Windstar .... you hate minivans that much? :D

[henk4]

Sounds very intriguing, I think the range factors need more elaboration, we want a standard deviation and t-values to become an integral part of the Misho number, otherwise it cannot gain any scientific respect. ;)
Introducing this "mechanical" system will however mean that people will start worrying about their Misho number before sending a post. If a post will not increase the reputation then it will automatically reduce the Misho number. What a terrible perspective.

[Misho]

Typical of an engineer to make something appear more complicated than it need be. ;)

The best description I have heard for an engineer:
Someone who solves a problem you didn't know you had, in a way you don't understand
;) :D

BTW: I noticed you lost interest in the wife as soon as I offered her as a package with the Windstar .... you hate minivans that much? :D

ah well, you people never understand us engineers !! ;)

as for the minivan, well, I can always trade that in. not sure about the rest of the package though !! ;) (BTW: i still didnt receive the picture!!)

[Misho]

Introducing this "mechanical" system will however mean that people will start worrying about their Misho number before sending a post. If a post will not increase the reputation then it will automatically reduce the Misho number.

mmmmm, No!! it will INCREASE the Misho number!! ah well, you people can never understand us engineers !! :D
i do understand what u mean however. yes, a post that does not increase reputation, will have a negative effect on the Misho ratio. but that change will be very small, it can be considered negligible.

[henk4]

Introducing this "mechanical" system will however mean that people will start worrying about their Misho number before sending a post. If a post will not increase the reputation then it will automatically reduce the Misho number.

mmmmm, No!! it will INCREASE the Misho number!! ah well, you people can never understand us engineers !! :D
i do understand what u mean however. yes, a post that does not increase reputation, will have a negative effect on the Misho ratio. but that change will be very small, it can be considered negligible.

I'll give you that, calculating is a difficult activity. But what about the range you mentioned, isn't subjectivity creeping in there?

[Misho]

I'll give you that, calculating is a difficult activity. But what about the range you mentioned, isn't subjectivity creeping in there?

thank you. as for the range method thing, well i still havent fully developed it yet and i am not sure about how it will work. but yes, it will be kind of subjective. but thats not my personal subjectivity, the factors will be derived from the actual numbers we already have (no. of posts and rep ratings). it will be an empirical system, but that will at least reflect posting quality. (for those who dont know, empirical means non-scientific, rather developed from extensive research and fooling around!).
we all saw how big fpv_gtho's Misho number is. is that coz he is a bas user ? its mainly due to the enormous number of posts he has. dont forget that the rep system was never fair anyways. new users started with 10, while old users had the previlage of gathering big rating numbers at the same time that other old users, started with zero. we need a solution to put us all on the same field, if the rep system is to be of true relevance.
to sort of explain what i meant by range factors, then we all need to calculate true Misho numbers. so calculate ur Misho number and then multiply it by the range u belong to. this will produce ur true Misho number.

0-500 posts multiply by 1.00
501-1000 multiply by 0.85
1001-1500 multiply by 0.75
1501-2000 multiply by 0.65
2001-2500 multiply by 0.55
2501-3000 multiply by 0.45
3001-3500 multiply by 0.35

please note that these factors are for explanatory purposes only and do not reflect what we are to use if the system ever gets implemented.

at the end, i will have to say that i never was a fan of the rep system anyways. reputation is earned and we always knew who deserved our respect and who doesn't, even ages before the rep system. i have though of this new system only to help all of those users who are really worried about the rep ratings gain a better, more realistic understanding of "reputation" !! :)

[NoOne]

I long for the days when engineers used to run trains. ;)

[Misho]

I long for the days when engineers used to run trains. ;)

LMAO :D i dont know why, but i find this the funniest thing i EVER read in these forums !!!

[crisis]

Misho my man, that was fantastic. Anything I cant understand that much must be proportionally worthy.

[fpv_gtho]

0-500 posts multiply by 1.00
501-1000 multiply by 0.85
1001-1500 multiply by 0.75
1501-2000 multiply by 0.65
2001-2500 multiply by 0.55
2501-3000 multiply by 0.45
3001-3500 multiply by 0.35


so what do i multiply my misho ratio by, 0.25?

i like the idea of the misho ratio with posts/rep points, but i think before doing that, we should put everyone on the same playing field by somehow calculating everyones rep points based on the current 1 point given per 1000 posts and everyone starts off on 10

[Misho]

so what do i multiply my misho ratio by, 0.25?

i like the idea of the misho ratio with posts/rep points, but i think before doing that, we should put everyone on the same playing field by somehow calculating everyones rep points based on the current 1 point given per 1000 posts and everyone starts off on 10

as i said, these factors are only for verification and will not of much value at the moment. we still have to figure the actual values for each range, including the range you are in.
so i guess 0.30 will do for now, since u seem to like the idea so much !!


yes, you are right in saying that we all have to be on the same field for evaluation. there are a number of ways to do so, one of which is recalculating our rep ratings using standard methodology for all users. but i guess that will be too complicated to do now, hence the modification factors that i mentioned.


anyways, i reckon that the modification range factors are a bit of a complicated issue. but i truly think that the Misho ratio is a good representation of the rep ratings. as mentioned earlier, it shows how many posts it needed that user to obtain 1 rep point.

[Egg Nog]

The problem wiht the Misho ratio is... if someone wants a high ration, it encourages them to post practically everything that is point-worthy. (As strange as it may sound to heard it from me ;)) This, natuarally, detracts from the good times we have here when something goes slightly off-topic, or when we aren't talking about cars. Also, people wouldn't even post short messages, even something like "thanks", because they wouldn't get points for it.

All of these reasons seem to me like pretty good arguments against the reputation system itself. Due to the social nature of the board, it's hard to quantify anything like that mathematically... people should be able to establish themselves as a decent user, and they should be recognised for that by everyone else.

The system's flaw is that it tries to put a value on character. And we all know, that can't be done.

[fpv_gtho]

well Egg Nog i think you can rest easier, as im all for the idea yet based on the first findings of the misho ratio, that misho presented, im coming off the worst by far!! i've been subconsciously comparing rep points to posts when i look around at everyones rating for a while now, and im sure theres more that have been as well so i dont think it will neccesarily change anything on the site that the rep system hasnt done already

[Misho]

hey fpv_gtho, i guess ur Misho ratio with the modification factor suggested of 0.3, is somewhere near 30. a good comparable value to most others.
anyways, i'm glad u liked the idea !!! :)


and egg nog, although ur point is valid and was brought up by henk. the change each post makes is quite small. so i dont think that "thank you" posts are enough to significantly effect ur Misho number.


i'm glad some ppl think its at least interesting, even if not fully understood !!

[Misho]

A user with 2000 posts cannot be compared to a user with 500 posts. Because he had a bigger opportunity to accumulate positive rep ratings.
Another advantage of the modified Misho ratio is that allows all users to be comparable to eachother regardless of how many posts they have.

[baddabang]

how many rep points do you need so that when you give some to a user that it will really count :confused:

[Misho]

how many rep points do you need so that when you give some to a user that it will really count :confused:

you need to have 20 points.

[Egg Nog]

how many rep points do you need so that when you give some to a user that it will really count :confused:

That's what this thread is about! :D How could you've missed that? Did you even read the title? ;)

[baddabang]

That's what this thread is about! :D How could you've missed that? Did you even read the title? ;)

no i didnt and im not going to blame it on anything :D :D

[Spastik_Roach]

I still need 3 points before I can congratulate people on excellent posts! And the thing is I only just realised this...

[Misho]

i think this could be under the "beleive it or not" section !!
we actually have a user here at UCP with a rep rating of -16 !! that is negative sixteen !
just rank members by reputation starting from lowest and u will see some interesting results !!

i came across that while doing some research for the much-loved Misho theory!! :)

[MrVette83]

I like you Spastik just now realized I'm not quite to 20, i need 4.

[Spastik_Roach]

Imagine allllllll the people, getting rep points for gooooooood poooooosts. :cool:

[carlover]

My Misho rating is 10.8. :cool: Awesome.

[Misho]

10.8 is among the best Misho ratios among the similarly active users. congrats carlover !! :)


anyways, is anyone going to fix the extremely small problem we have with the new updated version of the forum ?? i am talking about not showing the words "location" under each user's name. it shows what the user has entered for that field, but it doesnt show the word "location". i know its absolutely useless, but its still an error nonetheless.

[Spastik_Roach]

My Misho rating is 14.25! Is that a good rating?!

[Misho]

My Misho rating is 14.25! Is that a good rating?!


14.25 is a very good ratio !!
pretty much under 20 is very good, as 25 seems to be the average.
always remember that the Misho ratio is the number of posts you needed to gain 1 rep point. therefore, the lower ur Misho ration, the better your posting quality.

anyways, i still need more encouragement and participation before i can fully tweak the system and make it trustworthy and fair.

[Spastik_Roach]

MikeMclarenF1, a friend of mine, has a Misho Ratio of just 3!! Thats probaly the record!

But now, I present to you.... THE ROACH RATIO!

It is based on a series of incredibly complex set of mathematical equations of coolness(on a scale of 1-10)times rep divided by your post count.

The higher you are, the better!

[cuntukimushroom]

Just looking over the members list recently, I discovered that there were only a couple dozen members who can actually rate other users, and a few aren't even active. As of posting this, there are 3,256 members.

So, to those of us who can: Let's make a difference. Whenever you see a user under 20 points post something worthwhile, let them know how you feel, and bump them up a notch. Soon enough, we'll be rid of this exclusive club, and we'll have a few more of us in the fray ;)

I'm not saying that we should rate just anybody, because obviously there are going to be a few idiots who just flat-out don't deserve it. I'm saying that there's quite good users out there who need a voice.

Start the revolution. Let's get to it!

EXCELLENT idea but i have 24 but that's a good idea for people that dont even have rep points ill put that into mind

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

I HAVE A MISHO OF 100000000000000000000!! I AM THE BEST! I AM THE GREA.... What? You mean the higher I am the WORSE? OH $#!^!!!! Ignore this.... PLEASE!?

[Karrmann]

I was waiting for this to happen.

[Misho]

I was waiting for this to happen.


waiting for what to happen ?!! ;)

[Karrmann]

this thread Misho. ;)

[Mustang]

MikeMclarenF1, a friend of mine, has a Misho Ratio of just 3!! Thats probaly the record!

But now, I present to you.... THE ROACH RATIO!

It is based on a series of incredibly complex set of mathematical equations of coolness(on a scale of 1-10)times rep divided by your post count.

The higher you are, the better!


what about iIak he has about 10 posts and about 30 rep :eek:

unfortunately mine is 36 because when i post pics it takes about 5 pages and i only get 1 or 2 rep for it - My excuse anyway :p

[Egg Nog]

this thread Misho. ;)

You were waiting?!?! Read the date on the first post, buddy... ;)