Dacia Logan Hatchback

[aphophis]

Only 2 spyshots. It will be produced in brazil and hopefully will cost less than the sedan.


http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=89403
http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=89931

Source: http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?showtopic=108092

[coolieman1220]

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Wolf03]

Yea!!! Romanian engineering right there! Well...this specific model is Brazilian but the whole Dacia series is Romanian! :D

[coolieman1220]

i've heard bad things bout romania. my french teacher is from there

[Wolf03]

i've heard bad things bout romania. my french teacher is from there

So, you're going to stereotype the whole nation because of what a (possibly) crooked person said about it. I've heard a lot of bad things about america...in fact...there are probably more bad things about america than Romania...but I won't debate that here because this thread is about the Dacia Logan.

[Spastik_Roach]

"Nooooooo don't photograph it yet! Theres a lack of body roll right now!" :D

[coolieman1220]

geez man calm down. i wasn't sterotyping. not yet at least. but still calm down. im just saying communism and what i've read about their government.

[HondaNSX]

its an ugly car...

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Romania,like many former soviet-bloc countries, is still finding it's way. Let's not discuss that here.

As for this beast, it's one of those cars big multi-nationals tailor down to what they think the specifications of the market are, without realising that everyone, everywhere, wants the same cars - big and German.

[henk4]

In defence of the Logan, this is Renault technology, built in Romania. The first Elk-tests which resulted in tumbling over the car did a lot of damage to the car, until it was found out that the testers had used a faulty tyre pressure. Subsequent tests proved the car to be complety road-worthy. Lacking some of the luxury items that all modern cars have Renault managed to keep the price down to very acceptable levels in relation to the competition. If one car offers value for money it is the Logan.

I cannot escape the impression that anything coming from a country closely or even remotely linked to "communism" is greeted by some of us here with a sort of Pavlov reaction that it has to be ugly and bad quality. The use of an open mind is a joy for everybody.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

The major problem i have with projects like the Logan (And the Fiat Palio, to mention another) is that they are built, engineered, and designed, down to what the company considers is what the market wants. Renault did some research and development with the Logan, but it's still built with money in mind, and it's a very cynical affair.

a car thats built down to expectation instead of exceeding it is not a good thing, although many of the logan's customers might just be first time buyers.

[quattro_20v]

And I read a story in a carmag where they tested a used golf mk 4 against a new logan, both 1.6 litres, both about same price. The golf won on EVERY issue. They also mentioned the dacia has the worst brakes ever to be fitted on a car. And in the crashtest the logan passenger couldnt get out of the car while the golf one could..... the logan is just cheap and what you pay is what you get really...

[henk4]

The major problem i have with projects like the Logan (And the Fiat Palio, to mention another) is that they are built, engineered, and designed, down to what the company considers is what the market wants. Renault did some research and development with the Logan, but it's still built with money in mind, and it's a very cynical affair.

a car thats built down to expectation instead of exceeding it is not a good thing, although many of the logan's customers might just be first time buyers.

Those cars have to be built with money in mind, because the target buyers are significantly poorer than most of us here. There is nothing wrong with that. Also there are many western consumers that only want wheels and not fancy car. Those people also don't mind to wind down their windows manually:D

[IBrake4Rainbows]

I guess it's just a matter of preference. I personally prefer my car to be safe and secure, but again these are first-time car buyers we're mostly talking about, so there you go.

What expectations? It has wheels and an engine, OMG :D

[henk4]

I guess it's just a matter of preference. I personally prefer my car to be safe and secure, but again these are first-time car buyers we're mostly talking about, so there you go.

What expectations? It has wheels and an engine, OMG :D

The issue of safety depends on the driver. It is perfectly possible to drive safely in a Logan, or in a 2CV. It is those bloody idiots in heavy cars that cause the damage and if you want to be protected against those idiots you just start the elephant contest.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

As my dad said; it's a dog-eat-dog world, be in the bigger car.

it's a bad situation, and i don't agree with it, but physics and the lack of social respect nowadays play a big part in peoples buying and driving decisions (Although the Jeep was bought primarily for towing capacity and wagon status)

I will agree that the driver is the largest bit of safety hardware any car can have.

[henk4]

My grandfather drove his first car in 1901. He made the good point that the road code could consist of one article: "It is not allowed to hit something with a car". That covers the whole lot.

[dydzi]

And I read a story in a carmag where they tested a used golf mk 4 against a new logan, both 1.6 litres, both about same price. The golf won on EVERY issue. They also mentioned the dacia has the worst brakes ever to be fitted on a car. And in the crashtest the logan passenger couldnt get out of the car while the golf one could..... the logan is just cheap and what you pay is what you get really...


but maybe some people want to have a NEW car?

when you're living in the us (i'm not talking particulary about you; about all the members from us or uk or whatever) don't really understand the need of that car because 90% of them have the money to buy something better

on the market like romania, poland, turkey or brazil a car is still a luxurious item and not many people have enough money to buy a new car, so logan is a great alternative

[quattro_20v]

For countries like that it is, but they still bring it out in the richest countries around (I know not everyone here is rich including me). And I still personally rather have a 15 year old car that is decent then this really. But it would probably be very low in upkeepcosts im sure. and it's quite spacious.

[Guest]

And I read a story in a carmag where they tested a used golf mk 4 against a new logan, both 1.6 litres, both about same price. The golf won on EVERY issue. They also mentioned the dacia has the worst brakes ever to be fitted on a car. And in the crashtest the logan passenger couldnt get out of the car while the golf one could..... the logan is just cheap and what you pay is what you get really...yes, its double the price for a golf though...

[henk4]

yes, its double the price for a golf though...

the article says that they were the same price. This is like comparing a new 25,000 Euro Ford Mondeo with a 25,000 Euro Ferrari Mondial from 1990. The Ferrari will do everything better than the Mondeo for the same price, however when you have to go for maintenance and repair you will find yourself back in the new Ferrari price league, with corresponding spare parts costs and workshop charges.

[nota]

but maybe some people want to have a NEW car?

when you're living in the us (i'm not talking particulary about you; about all the members from us or uk or whatever) don't really understand the need of that car because 90% of them have the money to buy something better

on the market like romania, poland, turkey or brazil a car is still a luxurious item and not many people have enough money to buy a new car, so logan is a great alternative
Well said, and there are evidently many people who think the same, re new-car reliability vs the used-car gamble. Most cars never see a big smash, they just wear out. What these buyers want is a simple affordable no-frills new car which is roomy enough for their needs, not 'luxurious corinthian leather' and twin overhead turbochargers. In other words four effing wheels and a seat, that's it. I've heard that Logan is already a very successful model as it has struck a chord with buyers and production is maxxed out due to demand

[QBridge]

i've heard bad things bout romania. my french teacher is from there
I'm Romanian. That country is poor and worse than before and I haven't been there in 7 years so I'm not going back because there is nothing to go back too.
It's getting violent right now and I doubt I could go back with dollars in my pocket and making it back to the US.
One thing I do miss is the food. That was some good ****ing food and none of this prepackaged, vacuum packed, preheated US shit food. Soo many different home cooked meals and soo many different fruits and vegetables that I never even seen in the US and I doubt the US even has names for them.

Anyway, I thought that Romania gave up the Dacia all together?


on the market like romania, poland, turkey or brazil a car is still a luxurious item and not many people have enough money to buy a new car, so logan is a great alternativeExactly. I had relatives who had 15 year old Dacias and Skodas and probably still have those cars now. Those who were lucky enough to work in a bomb parts making factory hahahaha like my father could make spare parts for the cars and smuggle them out the factory. My father started his carpenter business that way and all his tools he made himself at the factory where he worked in Ploiesti.

[henk4]

I'm Romanian. That country is poor and worse than before and I haven't been there in 7 years so I'm not going back because there is nothing to go back too.
It's getting violent right now and I doubt I could go back with dollars in my pocket and making it back to the US.
One thing I do miss is the food. That was some good ****ing food and none of this prepackaged, vacuum packed, preheated US shit food. Soo many different home cooked meals and soo many different fruits and vegetables that I never even seen in the US and I doubt the US even has names for them.

Anyway, I thought that Romania gave up the Dacia all together?

I was there in 2003 for the last time and I fully share your opinions on the food. They still have the Dacia factory operarional and the old R12 derived model is still being produced.

[aphophis]

dacia 1410 (r12 derived model) isn't produced anymore. Only logans and pick-ups derived from r12 (wich will be replaced by new dacia logan "furgon" o brother model of logan sw)

[Lagonda]

geez man calm down. i wasn't sterotyping. not yet at least. but still calm down. im just saying communism and what i've read about their government.
The living proof that American education is a joke.

[dydzi]

some pics of how logan wagon can look like; got them from my friend from polish forum

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[JAxxONe]

you guys suck who seed bad thinks about ROmania...Romania`s not communist...and it have nothing to do with russin..al those country..we hate russin ! I`m from Romania...a lot of movies are made in my country..and dacia is a good and cheep car for my contry..maybe not from america..so shut up..

[Rockefella]

you guys suck who seed bad thinks about ROmania...Romania`s not communist...and it have nothing to do with russin..al those country..we hate russin ! I`m from Romania...a lot of movies are made in my country..and dacia is a good and cheep car for my contry..maybe not from america..so shut up..
Pm box.

EDIT: you chose not to receive pm's either, here you go, in simple english:



Please stop posting in dead Dacia Logan / Romania threads and telling us that we suck. It is not the proper way to act in a forum, especially when you are a new member and will make the other members angry.

Thank you, Rockefella.