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McLareN
02-15-2006, 07:20 AM
Mercedes-Benz at the Geneva Motor Show 2006: World premiere for a host of new products
Stuttgart, Feb 15, 2006

CLS 63 AMG

The new CLS 63 AMG is an exceptional automobile offering impressive performance, dynamic styling and an exclusive interior. The four-door Coupé is powered by a 6.3-litre V8 AMG engine, which was developed entirely by Mercedes-AMG. The new 378 kW/514 hp AMG power plant has the highest specific power and torque of any naturally aspirated eight-cylinder production engine in the world. The refined Coupé has a 0 - 100 km/h time of just 4.5 seconds, on its way to a governed top speed of 250 km/h.

The high-performance engine of the new CLS 63 AMG is partnered by the AMG SPEEDSHIFT 7G-TRONIC transmission, which offers the driver a choice between fully automatic and manual shifting, with changes actuated either at the selector lever or Formula 1 style, by a press of the aluminium gearshift paddles. Appropriately, the powerful engine is also mated with the new AMG sports suspension, based on the semiactive air suspension system AIRMATIC DC which incorporates the ADS II Adaptive Damping System, and with the new AMG high-performance brake system, which provides plenty of stopping power thanks to composite front brakes and vented and perforated brake discs on all wheels.

The refined coupé styling also incorporates powerful AMG styling elements, while the interior impresses with a blend of exclusive sportiness and superior materials and build quality. Standard specification includes AMG sports seats with nappa leather upholstery, the AMG ergonomic sports steering wheel with new aluminium AMG gearshift paddles and the new AMG instrument cluster with 320 km/h speedometer scale and red needles

nopassn
02-15-2006, 09:04 AM
I call bullshit on the "The new 378 kW/514 hp AMG power plant has the highest specific power and torque of any naturally aspirated eight-cylinder production engine in the world." claim from them

GM Crate engine - a production V8 - see info below:

12498792 ZZ572/620 Base Crate Engine

The new ZZ572/620 is built around an all-new Gen VI tall deck Bow Tie big block. This all new engine is filled with a forged 4340 steel crank with 4.375 inch stroke, shot peened, forged 4340 H-beam rods, and forged aluminum pistons with full floating wrist pins. Hard core race parts for hard core long term durability!

The redesigned rectangular port aluminum cylinder heads result in a pump gas friendly 9.6 to 1 compression ratio. A hydraulic roller cam with 0.632 inch lift actuates the stainless steel valves. And, of course, hardened chromemoly retainers, roller rocker arms, and dual valve springs are used to complete the valvetrain.

This engine makes 620 horsepower at 5500 RPM and 650 ft. lbs. of torque at 4500 RPM.

Pump gas friendly, massive torque and horsepower, all from GM, the ZZ572/620 is for those who consider excess to be barely enough.

GM Crate Engines are horsepower rated to SAE Standards.


Technical Notes:

ZZ 572/620 Technical Information
Horsepower 620 @ 5500 RPM
Torque 650 Ft. Lbs. @ 4500 RPM
Max. Recommended RPM 6000 RPM
Compression Ratio 9.6:1
Partial Engine 12499190
Block 25534368 Tall Deck
Bearing Kit, Main 88962212
Bearing Kit, Camshaft 12499434
Crankshaft 88961554 Forged 4340 Steel
Connecting Rod 88962926 Forged 4340 Steel
Bearing Kit, Connecting Rod 88961556
Piston & Pin 88962925 Forged Aluminum
Piston Ring 12499212 Plasma-moly
Camshaft 88961557 Hydraulic roller
Balancer 88962814 SFI Approved
Cylinder Head 12499255 Aluminum
Gasket, Head 88961561
Rocker Covers, pare 12499200
Valve, Intake 12366987 2.25" Stainless steel
Valve, Exhaust 88963128 1.88" Stainless steel
Valve, Spring 88963934 Dual
Valve, Retainer 12366990 Chrome moly steel
Key, Valve Retainer 12366992
Key, Valve Spring 88963937
Rocker Arm 12361323 Roller 1.7:1
Lifters 17120060 Hydraulic Roller
Push Rod, Intake 88961559 High performance one piece
Push Rod, Exhaust 88961558 High performance one piece
Oil Pan 10240721
Windage Tray, Oil 88962187 Screened and louvered
Gasket, Oil Pan 10106407
Oil Pump 88963707
Spark Plug 5613878 - R45XLS

p_dragnev
02-15-2006, 10:45 AM
Sorry, that it is not high-res, but 1024X....

bluedak98
02-15-2006, 10:50 AM
This engine makes 620 horsepower at 5500 RPM and 650 ft. lbs. of torque at 4500 RPM.

But the 572 is 9.4 litres, meaning 66 hp/litre where as the 6.3 litre is making 82 hp/litre.

PBB
02-15-2006, 04:29 PM
But the 572 is 9.4 litres, meaning 66 hp/litre where as the 6.3 litre is making 82 hp/litre.
So? Who cares? This debate has nothing to do with displacement.

The 572 is an absolute beast of an engine when it needs to be and is still refined enough to carry a 12 month warranty. It's also the same engine Leno put in his '55 Buick Roadmaster (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5603).

johnnyperl
02-16-2006, 01:15 AM
So? Who cares? This debate has nothing to do with displacement.
The claim is that it has the highest SPECIFIC power output.
HP/LITER
nopassn didnt prabably didnt realize what this meant:
the specific output of the AMG V8 is 514hp/6.3L=81.6hp/L
the specific output of the GM V8 is 620hp/9.4L=66.0hp/L

This debate has EVERYTHING to do with displacement.

nopassn
02-16-2006, 07:28 AM
The claim is that it has the highest SPECIFIC power output.
HP/LITER
nopassn didnt prabably didnt realize what this meant:
the specific output of the AMG V8 is 514hp/6.3L=81.6hp/L
the specific output of the GM V8 is 620hp/9.4L=66.0hp/L

This debate has EVERYTHING to do with displacement.

ah shit... indeed it does... missed the all important "specific" in their claim... Lemme try and find one that beats it... I'm sure there's one out there...

and the 572 does, in fact, rule...

nopassn
02-16-2006, 07:32 AM
Found it...

Ferrari F430... 483hp from a 4.3 liter V8... 112hp/liter... so, MB is lying...

derekthetree
02-16-2006, 07:36 AM
Found it...

Ferrari F430... 483hp from a 4.3 liter V8... 112hp/liter... so, they're lying...

i think they'll fall back on the "and torque" part of the phrase. the ferrari may have ahigh specific power but no where near the torque

PBB
02-16-2006, 07:55 AM
ah shit... indeed it does... missed the all important "specific" in their claim... Lemme try and find one that beats it... I'm sure there's one out there...

and the 572 does, in fact, rule...
Doh! I made the same mistake. I thought bluedak was using the ignorant "JDM hp/L is teh betta!!1" arguement.
My Apologies. :)

nopassn
02-16-2006, 09:02 AM
i think they'll fall back on the "and torque" part of the phrase. the ferrari may have ahigh specific power but no where near the torque

perhaps, but I'm still going to call bullshit - since they didn't list the tq, I can't prove it either way... but the HP is not the highest specific output...

Kooper
02-17-2006, 04:31 PM
And then there's the RS4's 413hp from 4.2 as well, 98.3hp/l. Then there's the Maserati Gran Sport, 400hp from 4.24l, 94.34hp/l. Oh, then there's the Radical SR8 with 363hp from just 2.6 litres in standard form (!!!), a whopping 139.62hp/l! Plus it weighs only 600 kg, giving you 605 bhp/ tonne.

Given, the SR8 is hardly a production car, but you can buy one for road-use. Even if it doesn't qualify, both the RS4 & Gran Sport (& pretty soon the new M3 as well) comfortably outgun the Merc for specific power.

nopassn
02-28-2006, 08:54 AM
More loot...

IWantAnAudiRS6
02-28-2006, 09:31 AM
I don't like the new wheel design on these cars. The old AMG design- the 2x5 spoke design- was much better.

Especially the grey ones fitted to the 65 range...

Schumi
02-28-2006, 12:13 PM
what a great new saftey car!!!

Vaigra
05-20-2006, 12:40 PM
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05-20-2006, 12:42 PM
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1324
05-20-2006, 09:01 PM
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Help me!

Street_Dreamer
05-21-2006, 06:10 AM
u have to register - which you have now done... so u should be able to

Vaigra
05-21-2006, 06:47 AM
Why I can't Preview pictures?

Help me!Learn to read as well as count.
HERE (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7741)

lfb666
11-29-2006, 11:10 AM
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carlsturm
07-14-2007, 07:56 PM
The claim is that it has the highest SPECIFIC power output.
HP/LITER
nopassn didnt prabably didnt realize what this meant:
the specific output of the AMG V8 is 514hp/6.3L=81.6hp/L
the specific output of the GM V8 is 620hp/9.4L=66.0hp/L

This debate has EVERYTHING to do with displacement.


Or the BMW M6 & M6: 500hp/5.0L (let me get my calculator out)


-but they are 10 cylinder (because they could) :)