Supra, Skyline gt-r34, Rx-7, Nsx, Imprenza wrx sti, lancer, 3000gt, Rx-8, Mustang....

[matheusrgomes]

put wat car that u like and why you like it and why is better than the other cars

Supra
Skyline
350z
rx7
rx8
silvia
3000gt
g35
nsx
imprenza wrx sti
lancer
mustang
corvette
viper
and all the other street race cars...:eek:

[matheusrgomes]

yeho www.engine-power.com
shows all cars performance

[:Exige:]

put wat car that u like and why you like it and why is better than the other cars

Supra
Skyline
350z
rx7
rx8
silvia
3000gt
g35
nsx
imprenza wrx sti
lancer
mustang
corvette
viper
and all the other street race cars...:eek:
Cough, Rice, Cough

[Clivey]

imprenza wrx sti

ImpreNza? I want me one of those!!! :eek:



















...must be a limited edition or something, with "NAWS":rolleyes:

[coolieman1220]

ladies and gentlmen, i give to you the stars of 3 dumb 3x the rice.

what is a corvette doin up there? and no civics or integra's. this is a pretty dumb post

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

[QUOTE=matheusrgomes]

worse comparison ever cuz all these cars were built for a different purpose but hell im bored and i dont wanna study

Supra too heavy
Skyline too heavy and way too many idiot fanboys for any normal person to ever consider getting one
350z not bad but the engine blows
rx7 classic, nothing wrong with this car other then the abismal reliability and fuel consumption
rx8 not nearly good enuff to be an rx7 succesor but a good car overall
silvia nothing wrong with it but nothing special enough to put it up there
3000gt wayyyyyyyyy tooooooo heavy
g35 good luxury/sports car but not good as a luxury or sports car
nsx good car, not enuff power, way too heavy in the T form, NSX-R pwns all
impreza wrx sti too understeery
lancer evo ugly interior but that doesn't really matter
mustang so many things wrong i dont know where to start
corvette id like to bash it but it's pretty good, still rather have an import tho
viper 1 word, crap

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

some other ones

s2000 great car, awesome engine, bad low rpm torque in early versions, dont like the convertible top
civic old ones had double wishbones :D new ones have front struts :(
MR2 mk1 is way too old now, mkii is heaviest of the 3 gens but most powerful
mkiii is just wierd
celica spiky engine perormance wouldnt be so bad if the tranny was any good
will post more later

[directinjection]

Would have to agree with most of Knife Edge 2K1's brutal sumation of the cars on the list. Skyline, Supra, RX-7, RX-8, 3000-GT, Evo, STi, and S-2000 have way to many mindless children and adults drooling over them after the absolutely ludicrous movie "The Fast and the Furious." If you really think that a turbo supra w/ nitrous can match a supercharged big block charger or challenger with slicks, then you need to grow up. It's not going to happen, ever.
If you are a reader of car magazines then you may have stumbled across something called the Hotrod magazine pump gas drags. It's an event that seeks out the fastest pump gas street car in america. In the history of this competition, there has never been a pump gas ricer fast enough to make it into this competition. The fastest effort to date was 8.7 quarter mile w/ a '32 Ford Roadster containing 540 CBB w/ NOS. I would like to see a Skyline or Supra pull that time.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

um ... a turbo'd supra w/nitrous and slicks would be able to match a supercharged big block charger, they're both about the same weight and about the only disadvantage the supra would have is low rpm torque cuz of the huge turbo it'd need but its possible

obviously there's no replacement for displacement but considering american engines usually have specific outputs which are shit as hell the imports would have a chance

i dont measure my performance in strait lines, and even if i did it'd have to measure more then 400m (i stole this from some1else on this forum but i forgot who so i cant give credit to em)

with the exeption of the corvette all american cars cant handle for shit (no saleens dont count)

[rev440]

Would have to agree with most of Knife Edge 2K1's brutal sumation of the cars on the list. Skyline, Supra, RX-7, RX-8, 3000-GT, Evo, STi, and S-2000 have way to many mindless children and adults drooling over them after the absolutely ludicrous movie "The Fast and the Furious." If you really think that a turbo supra w/ nitrous can match a supercharged big block charger or challenger with slicks, then you need to grow up. It's not going to happen, ever.
If you are a reader of car magazines then you may have stumbled across something called the Hotrod magazine pump gas drags. It's an event that seeks out the fastest pump gas street car in america. In the history of this competition, there has never been a pump gas ricer fast enough to make it into this competition. The fastest effort to date was 8.7 quarter mile w/ a '32 Ford Roadster containing 540 CBB w/ NOS. I would like to see a Skyline or Supra pull that time.

I geuss you havent heard of Marko's supra it was running mid 8's with a hugh turbo. But the supra in the movie would of had no chance agianst the charger. That thing hooked and nitrous wouldnt of given the supra that much horse to cath up with the car to begin with.

[directinjection]

Yeah, I would have to agree that high horsepower Supra's with slicks kick ass, they dominate every sanctioned event now. The Supra, RX-7, and skyline basically started the tuner generation. There's nothing like the sound of a huge turbo hitting full boost on a Supra or Skyline motor, it's so sweet. I do however have a quick question for you guys, do you believe the acceleration claims that they are throwing out for the new Skyline GT-R Z-tune? For a 3,500 lbs. and only 630 hp/500 lbs. ft. it seems very fast. The Altessa all wheel drive system is good, very good, but I would have the dispute these claims. What do you think?

[h00t_h00t]

So they spent all their money on the engine and not on lightening the car? What are these claims?

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

skyline blows, end of story
the allwheel drive system doesnt even kick in that often, shifting up at most 20-30% torque to the front even under hard track driving, on most turns it either remains compeltely rwd or shifts 10% up, why not remove the awd components and shed 100 something kilos which would help so much more ?

[ruim20]

you don't need a fast car!

JUST GET NAWS!!!!

[charged]

Would have to agree with most of Knife Edge 2K1's brutal sumation of the cars on the list. Skyline, Supra, RX-7, RX-8, 3000-GT, Evo, STi, and S-2000 have way to many mindless children and adults drooling over them after the absolutely ludicrous movie "The Fast and the Furious." If you really think that a turbo supra w/ nitrous can match a supercharged big block charger or challenger with slicks, then you need to grow up. It's not going to happen, ever. If you are a reader of car magazines then you may have stumbled across something called the Hotrod magazine pump gas drags. It's an event that seeks out the fastest pump gas street car in america. In the history of this competition, there has never been a pump gas ricer fast enough to make it into this competition. The fastest effort to date was 8.7 quarter mile w/ a '32 Ford Roadster containing 540 CBB w/ NOS. I would like to see a Skyline or Supra pull that time.
You know jack about vehicles, we have a gtr running on pump gas low 8s, evo 3 pump gas again running 9, before you post research a bit. You wont look like such and idiot

[fpv_gtho]

rx8 not nearly good enuff to be an rx7 succesor but a good car overall

You realise the RX-8 wasnt intended as an RX-7 successor


impreza wrx sti too understeery

Is it just me or does everyone always fall back on that

[directinjection]

Just wondering if you guys could point me to information on the low 8 second GTR and the 9 second Evo 3 to educate myself.

[Blue Supra]

i believe theres a WRX in sydney running 8's with NOS and a few other fun bits.

Marko sold his supra recently didnt he? got something like 90k for it which is ansolute STEAL!

PS: i think knife just hates cars in general :p

Silvias arent nothing to write home about? not running pump gas but theyre capable of running 7's...

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

lol i dont hate cars, i just see the flaws in all of them
thats not sayin i dotn like cars
nsx-r, rx7 s2000 they're like my favourite japanese cars of all time

[charged]

Just wondering if you guys could point me to information on the low 8 second GTR and the 9 second Evo 3 to educate myself.
4WD

State Driver Car Engine Track Best E.T. Best MPH
1. N.S.W Dominic Rigoli Subaru WRX EJ20 Heathcote 8.73 155
2. NSW Dominic Rigoli Subaru WRX EJ20 W.S.I.D 8.881 154.09
3. NSW Bakker Arja Subaru Impreza EJ20 2ltr W.S.I.D 8.988 154.55
4. QLD Nick Zervos Mitsubishi Lancer 4G63 Willowbank 9.193 165.26
5. NSW Vic Elfes Subaru Impreza EJ20 Eastern Creek 9.4 147
6. N.S.W Robert Rigoli HyandaiAccent 4G63 Willowbank 9.42 144.49
7. QLD Robert Barac Mitsubishi Lancer EVOII 4G63 Willowbank 9.674 151.26
8. S.A Brett Lodge Mitsubishi Lancer GSR 4G63 A.I.R 9.81 143.98
9. QLD Dominic Rigoli Subaru WRX EJ20 2.2ltr Willowbank 10.02 145
10. N.S.W James Caltabiano Subaru WRX EJ20 2ltr W.S.I.D 10.146 143.63
11. QLD Jim Cemal Mitsubishi Lancer GSR 4G63 W.S.I.D 10.233 144.97
12. NSW David Khoury Subaru Brumby EJ20 Heathcote 10.41 138
13. QLD Jamie Montesalvo Subaru WRX EJ20 2.2ltr Willowbank 10.48 141
14. SA Simon Podleski Mitsubishi Lancer GSR 4G63 A.I.R 10.59 131
15. NSW Dario Zuffo Subaru WRX EJ20 A.I.R 10.62 141
16. NSW David Khoury Subaru Liberty RS EJ20 Eastern Creek 10.72 138
17. N.S.W Isaac / Nahas Subaru WRX EJ20 W.S.I.D 10.762 127.03
18. QLD Shane Pavey Subaru WRX EJ25 Willowbank 10.77 130
19. N.S.W Jesse Comacho Subaru WRX EJ20 W.S.I.D 10.901 132
20. QLD Errol / Serge Subaru WRX EJ25 Willowbank 10.903 126.37


GTR
NSW Andrej Pavicevic R33 RB26 W.S.I.D 8.273 167.76
2. SA Keir Wilson R32 RB26/30 Heathcote 8.73 162.45
3. S.A Keir Wilson R32 RB26/30 A.I.R 9.38 150
4. SA John Munro R33 RB26/30 A.I.R 9.45 153
5. QLD Theo Woollett R32 RB26 Willowbank 9.579 152.49
6. QLD Mark Jacobsen R32 RB26 Willowbank 9.595 146.53
7. VIC James Vosilaitis R32 RB26 Calder Park 10.24 144
8. N.S.W Paul Diemar R32 RB26 Willowbank 10.364 133.9
9. QLD Mick Stanic R32 RB26 Willowbank 10.371 127.96
10. VIC David Lee R33 RB26 Heathcote 10.47 140
11. QLD Mark Kaucic R32 RB26 Willowbank 10.505 143
12. ACT John Apostlopoulos R32 RB26 Calder Park 10.51 137.9
13. NSW Dominic Russo R32 RB26 Eastern Creek 10.55 130
14. W.A Anthony Scali R32 RB26 Kwinana 10.7 139.96
15. QLD Chris Alexander R32 RB26 Willowbank 10.725 128.32
16. VIC Kevin Danni R33 RB26 Calder Park 10.8 135
17. SA Danny V R32 RB26 A.I.R 10.81 130
18. NSW Jason DeGrandis R34 RB26 Heathcote 10.81 136
19. N.S.W Mirko Peric R32 RB26 W.S.I.D 10.815 127.21
20. SA Kingsley Head R32 RB26 A.I.R 10.84 130

The cars highlighted both run BP Ultimate or shell with octane booster


Courtesy of http://www.fullboost.com.au/

[2ndclasscitizen]

some other ones

s2000 great car, awesome engine, bad low rpm torque in early versions, dont like the convertible top
except for the handling, which doesn't match the engine

[shadesMC]

Yeah, I would have to agree that high horsepower Supra's with slicks kick ass, they dominate every sanctioned event now. The Supra, RX-7, and skyline basically started the tuner generation. There's nothing like the sound of a huge turbo hitting full boost on a Supra or Skyline motor, it's so sweet. I do however have a quick question for you guys, do you believe the acceleration claims that they are throwing out for the new Skyline GT-R Z-tune? For a 3,500 lbs. and only 630 hp/500 lbs. ft. it seems very fast. The Altessa all wheel drive system is good, very good, but I would have the dispute these claims. What do you think?


i don't believe the horsepower claims; never did. can i give you an estimate to what it really is? uh...higher, thats about all i can say lol. japanese car companies (thats a generalization), in this case nismo/nissan, tend to find legal loopholes and ways to understate their cars' horsepower claims to meet emissions laws.
for example, the r34 was, in japan, rated at 280hp. i think we can all agree that the r34 is capable of running 0-60 in high 4's or 5 flat, whoever is driving it. and no 3000lb+ vehicle is going to hit 60 in that time with that amount of horsepower. it was tested in england at somewhere around 320hp, stock, which would make a lot more sense than 280. nismo has basically done the same thing with the z-tune. either the weight has been overstated, the power has been understated, or both.
while i agree that 0-60 isn't the most accurate way to judge a car's speed, lets face it, its the accepted and most common measurement along with the 1/4 mile. i'm just using it as an example here.

note: i do believe nismo's speed claims, however, because i saw a video of the z-tune briskly passing an M3, M5, gallardo, some benz, and a high powered jag in an all out sprint.

[kingofthering]

this thread is soo stupid, a skyline with bodykit and lots of NOS could beat all these cars SKYLINE PW3NS all :D
no seriously, the nsx-r could smoke most of the cars on the list

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

this thread is soo stupid, a skyline with bodykit and lots of NOS could beat all these cars SKYLINE PW3NS all :D
no seriously, the nsx-r could smoke most of the cars on the list

im pretty sure it'd smoke all the cars on that list

[Juggs]

i vote mustang!! lol

[Rockefella]

From that list, albeit a shitty list, I'll take the NSX hands down. (NSX-R please)

[h00t_h00t]

i don't believe the horsepower claims; never did. can i give you an estimate to what it really is? uh...higher, thats about all i can say lol. japanese car companies (thats a generalization), in this case nismo/nissan, tend to find legal loopholes and ways to understate their cars' horsepower claims to meet emissions laws.
for example, the r34 was, in japan, rated at 280hp. i think we can all agree that the r34 is capable of running 0-60 in high 4's or 5 flat, whoever is driving it. and no 3000lb+ vehicle is going to hit 60 in that time with that amount of horsepower. it was tested in england at somewhere around 320hp, stock, which would make a lot more sense than 280. nismo has basically done the same thing with the z-tune. either the weight has been overstated, the power has been understated, or both.

You could in ideal conditions, with some of those barly road legal trackday tyres and the correct gearing.

[2ndclasscitizen]

the power limiting on japanese cars was a simple imposed regulation brought in the by the manufacturers themselves. And its very old news that no japanese sports car was ever really limited by them. Most motoring journos reckon the EVO 6 had at least 225kw at the fly, and a TT 2.6 I6 in a companies top model only has 206kw? yeah right

[shadesMC]

old news or not i love it haha

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

the power limiting on japanese cars was a simple imposed regulation brought in the by the manufacturers themselves. And its very old news that no japanese sports car was ever really limited by them. Most motoring journos reckon the EVO 6 had at least 225kw at the fly, and a TT 2.6 I6 in a companies top model only has 206kw? yeah right

honda abided to it, it was pretty much the only manufacturer to do so too

[directinjection]

Wow, some of those 4wd Skylines are crazy fast R32's. It's to bad that the introduction of the new skyline signals the end of the RB26DETT. I heard that they were putting in the VQ35DE from the 350Z into the Skyline. Yuck. It's really to bad that Nissan didn't go with a turbo version of the VK45DE. Although, I would rather have a inline six of 4.5 liters, a V8 wouldn't have been that bad. I mean, twin turbos + 4,500cc's + pump gas = 1,000 plus wheel horsepower. Sweet.

[2ndclasscitizen]

honda abided to it, it was pretty much the only manufacturer to do so too
probably to their detriment, with a bit more power, the NSX may have been able to completely top the Ferrari's and Porsche's on sale at the same time and get some serious sales...pity

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

Wow, some of those 4wd Skylines are crazy fast R32's. It's to bad that the introduction of the new skyline signals the end of the RB26DETT. I heard that they were putting in the VQ35DE from the 350Z into the Skyline. Yuck. It's really to bad that Nissan didn't go with a turbo version of the VK45DE. Although, I would rather have a inline six of 4.5 liters, a V8 wouldn't have been that bad. I mean, twin turbos + 4,500cc's + pump gas = 1,000 plus wheel horsepower. Sweet.
u sir are an idiot

[Blitz_]

From that list, i would choose the Mustang. Why dear god would i choose an American car from that list? well, i'm not one for all out speed, terrific handling and what not, more so im just a through and through muscle car fan.

There's something about the other cars in that list, mostly Japanese, that don't appeal to me. The Corvette is American, but i see alot more potential in the 'Stang. Haha call me crazy, it's just the way i am.

The superficial body kits, over the top spoilers and lack of N/A engines have in a way put me off. Pure grunt and that throaty v8 sound are what counts to me, and in Australia, it's in our blood.

I love hearing about the lil ole' ricers and Jap cars getting wooped in the quarter by a n/a v8. In many cases, i think that a "clean" modified mustang would pull more looks than anything else in that list. Probably because i've seen to many Impreza's and what not.

To me, 8 cylinders will always be better than 6 or 4, and yes, only milk and juice comes in 2 Litres ;)

This has been an interesting read, based more so on track and straigh line perfomance. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't mind hearing some more diverse reasons such as exterior / interior etc etc...

[directinjection]

Thank you, Blitz, for entertaining the thought of a V8. By the way, a twin turbo version of the VK45DE could make a 1000 wheel horsepower on pump gas given that peak power was made at roughly 7,500 rpm with 17-19 psi. There have been many '03/'04 Cobra Mustangs on the street with twin turbo kits running only 16 psi and posting over 900 rwhp numbers @7,500 rpm.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

17-19 psi for a 4.5 litre engine putting out 1000 wheel horsepower ...
the bugatti veyron uses an 8 litre engine with 18psi boost and puts out 1001 crank horse power

again i repeat, you sir are an idiot

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

1000 wheel horsepower is equal to about 1250 crank horsepower assuming 80% efficiency which is normal for a 4wd car

stealing a formula from how stuff works

1000 horsepower is about 2.6 billion joules per hour and 1250 horsepower would be 3.25 million joules per hour, a gallon of gasoline has 132 million joules so a 1250 hp engine needs to purn 25 gallons of gasoline per hour

a car engine rarely runs above 25% efficiency so this means it would need to burn 100 gallons per hour working out to 1.67 gallons per minute, a gallon of gas is 2.85 kilos and stochiometric ratio is 14.7 to 1 by weight meaning it needs to burn 57 cubic meters of air a minute, running at 7000 rpm (no way in hell that v8 will rev to 7500 rpm, even 7000 is doubtful but ill let u have it), 57cubic meters is 57000 liters of air a minute
a v8 at 7000 rpm can inhale 28000 cylinders of air (in reality this isnt true) so 57000 liters a minute that's 2 liters per cylinder, x 8 cylinders thats 16 liters
but wait you're gonna turbo charge it right ?? 18 psi is 1.2 bar so you can reduce that size by 120%, thats still a 7 liter engine there

it took bugatti a friggin decade to make an engine that could work like this and you think you can get teh same performance by bolting on a couple turbos to some random v8 ?? gluck there bud

there's loads of issues i havnt even mentioned, how're you going to cool down the engine and the turbo ?? how's your transmission going to handle the load ?? what type of tyres could put down that much torque and power ??

assume that you get boost to a level where 1250 crank power is possible, what type of turbo lag are you going to have ??

[Blue Supra]

To me, 8 cylinders will always be better than 6 or 4, and yes, only milk and juice comes in 2 Litres ;)


Only cheap wine comes in 5L+ :cool:

^^^
dont try to throw me with fancy formulas.

ive SEEN twin turbo V8s pull OVER 1000rwhp at summernats for the last 3 years.

http://www.summernats.com.au/results_horsepwr2006.htm?1=1


Horsepower Hero Overall Winner - 1236.9 hp 320 CRAIG MUNRO

BLUE 2000 HOLDEN CLUBSPORT SEDAN FAIRFIELD VIC

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

Only cheap wine comes in 5L+ :cool:

^^^
dont try to throw me with fancy formulas.

ive SEEN twin turbo V8s pull OVER 1000rwhp at summernats for the last 3 years.

http://www.summernats.com.au/results_horsepwr2006.htm?1=1

im sure u can do one aftermarket with shit loads of money but as a manufactuerer that sells cars to people they have to meet product safety and reliability markers, im sure ud agree the supras and skylines that youve seen cant even spell the word emmissions and whatnot

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

and the cars ur talking about definetly arnt boosted by just 18 psi

[shadesMC]

im sure u can do one aftermarket with shit loads of money


so a bugatti ISN'T expensive?

i guess $1.7 million isn't a shit load of money

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

so a bugatti ISN'T expensive?

i guess $1.7 million isn't a shit load of money

omg you're really dumb arnt you ?? companies like bugatti have to obey certain guidelines and restrictions when making their car, they spend millions of dollars to meet crash restrictions, emissions and crap, they're not like some idiot ricer who can just slap a turbo on his car and crank up the boost, if something oes wrong with that guy's car he runs into a tree and society is better as a result from him removing himself from the gene pool, if something goes wrong with a veyron or even a friggin micra or civic it means 10s of millions dollars lost in recalls and shattered reputation

[shadesMC]

i'm not talking about who's gotta meet what laws and how they bribe their way past them

i'm talking about the fact that if you pour money into a car, it doesn't matter what kind of car it is, you can make it fast. if you build a civic thats running on friggin alcohol, its gonna be fast, no matter what ricer comments you have about it. if you pour a million dollars into a ferrari, its gonna be fast. if you pour a million dollars into a VW beetle, guess what, its gonna be fast. gay, but fast. bugatti has the money to do it, and they do it. there is nothing all that special about that. as you can plainly see, most car companies have a racing division. the thing holding them back is sales and money. not knowledge.

bugatti is not the only company in the world that has to work its way around emissions laws. and we aren't talking about some guy slapping a turbo on his v8 in his garage, we're talking about nismo/nissan. i don't care what you have to say about them, they know a helluva lot more about building cars than you or me.

[Blue Supra]

and the cars ur talking about definetly arnt boosted by just 18 psi

youd be suprised...


I know supras and skylines that still use cats. thats enough for emissions here most of the time.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

i'm not talking about who's gotta meet what laws and how they bribe their way past them

i'm talking about the fact that if you pour money into a car, it doesn't matter what kind of car it is, you can make it fast. if you build a civic thats running on friggin alcohol, its gonna be fast, no matter what ricer comments you have about it. if you pour a million dollars into a ferrari, its gonna be fast. if you pour a million dollars into a VW beetle, guess what, its gonna be fast. gay, but fast. bugatti has the money to do it, and they do it. there is nothing all that special about that. as you can plainly see, most car companies have a racing division. the thing holding them back is sales and money. not knowledge.

bugatti is not the only company in the world that has to work its way around emissions laws. and we aren't talking about some guy slapping a turbo on his v8 in his garage, we're talking about nismo/nissan. i don't care what you have to say about them, they know a helluva lot more about building cars than you or me.


no doubt they do but what you're proposing is the most idiodic thing to ever come out of anyone's mouth on this forum, you think that nissan can do all that development on their v whatever engine and make 1000 wheel horsepower and what not ... is there even a market for 1000 wheel horsepower nissans ?? how much do you think it's gonna cost ?? a helluva lot more then a veyron

bugatti looses like a million dollars on every veyron it sells, you think nissan will/can take that ??

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

youd be suprised...


I know supras and skylines that still use cats. thats enough for emissions here most of the time.

18 psi on a 3 liter strait six ?? putting out 1000 wheel horsepower ?? that defies physics man, unless that guy is running on nitrous i really doubt that's possible, and even if it is possible i would seriously doubt the reliability of what's left of that engine

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

we're talking about nismo/nissan. i don't care what you have to say about them, they know a helluva lot more about building cars than you or me.

and im sure theyd agree after they see your rediculous ramblings bout a 1250 horsepower 4.5 liter engine thats only boosted to 18 psi running on pump gas

[directinjection]

Hey Knife Edge 2K1, all car arguments aside, there is this really great website called Ray Hall Turbocharging(www.turbofast.com.au) that computes a few different turbocharging and compression equations much like the one you demonstrated from How Stuff works. By the way, it’s nice to see some one who will actually argue with me about cars. You think I’m an idiot and I think no less of you. So were on the same page.
With this in all this in mind, I will address the issue of the 1000 rwhp 4500cc engine. First, I will point out that Nissan already has a motor that produces an amazing 225 hp per liter that finds its home in the Z-tune. If a twin turbo 4.5 V8 were build to the exact hp per liter specifications of that motor, then the engine would possess 1,012 hp @ 6,800 rpm with full exhaust systems, intake systems, and accessories. Now, lets say we rework the heads, intake, turbo’s, and exhaust operate at a higher engine speed, say peak power at 7,500 rpm, a mere 700 rpm higher. The increase in engine speed, shift of the torque band, would leave the engine producing roughly 1110 hp. Yes, low speed torque would suffer, but with the use of a variable geometry intake system and sequential twin turbo’s, some of the low speed torque could be reclaimed. Now I know, it’s no 1250 hp, but it is rather close for a car running pump gas.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

its not as simple as just applying that type of tuning, every engine is different, motorcycle engines often put out close to 200 bhp with 1 litre motors, so if honda makes an 8 liter NA engine can they put out 1600 bhp ?? i think not, motorcycle engines rev up to 11000+ rpm, ever seen a street engine do that ?? i think not

all the stuff you said, to polish the headers and crap, that only makes the air enter the cylinders easier to meet the engine's theoretical potential, it doesnt increase this potential that's important to understand

i also know that the method i use was really basic and took alot of assumptions for my efficiency percentages but when you're comparing an theoretically derived 7 liter engine versus your 4.5 that is a huge difference, if my number was like 5 liter then yea its possible but 7-4.5 lthats a friggin 50% increase

im taking your numbers here budy

500 bhp from 2.8 liters is not 225bhp per liter, learn to divide numbers buddy, and the engine in the z-tune can rev to 8000rpm, i have no idea what the bore and stroke stats are for the engine you're specifying but if it outputs 4.5 liters there is no way in hell it's reving to 8000 rpm i doubt it can rev up to 7000, the rev limit is determined by the strength of the con rods stroke and rpm

by what means are you arriving at your 1110hp value ?? pulling it outta ur ass ?? that doesnt cut it around here buddy stop playing need for speed and get back to reality, bottom line 1000 bhp from 4.5 liter v8 that prolly cant pass 7000 rpm without snapping itself in half with only 18 psi ... aint possible
even less likely if you need to pass emissions, health and safety etc.

[shadesMC]

and im sure theyd agree after they see your rediculous ramblings bout a 1250 horsepower 4.5 liter engine thats only boosted to 18 psi running on pump gas


interesting...ok, quote from one of MY POSTS where i said that a 1,250hp 4.5v8 with 18psi existed or could exist.

[shadesMC]

bugatti looses like a million dollars on every veyron it sells, you think nissan will/can take that ??


are you saying it costs them $1 million to make it, and then profit the remaining $700k, or they lose $1 million AFTER everything is said and done per vehicle? either way, show me how.

also - bugatti's market pales in comparison to nissan. nissan sells worldwide, en masse. does bugatti? well, there aren't that many in parking lot outside right now, but i see plenty of nissans. so how is it that bugatti could take a much greater hit than nissan? if a bugatti model backfires, they're ****ed because they only have a few out there. nissan has nearly a dozen types of vehicles. and if you include infiniti, that doubles the lineup. if one fails, woopty friggin doo. they've got plenty more to back things up.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

its a net loss of a million dollars on each car, and thats assuming they meet their sales target

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

interesting...ok, quote from one of MY POSTS where i said that a 1,250hp 4.5v8 with 18psi existed or could exist.

thought u were the other guy

[shadesMC]

its a net loss of a million dollars on each car, and thats assuming they meet their sales target


odd. why do they even bother, then?

[Guest]

odd. why do they even bother, then?
its designed to add "image" to the brand, and publicise their name so that the sales of future cars will benefit

[stian1979]

[QUOTE=matheusrgomes]

worse comparison ever cuz all these cars were built for a different purpose but hell im bored and i dont wanna study

Supra too heavy
Skyline too heavy and way too many idiot fanboys for any normal person to ever consider getting one
350z not bad but the engine blows
rx7 classic, nothing wrong with this car other then the abismal reliability and fuel consumption
rx8 not nearly good enuff to be an rx7 succesor but a good car overall
silvia nothing wrong with it but nothing special enough to put it up there
3000gt wayyyyyyyyy tooooooo heavy
g35 good luxury/sports car but not good as a luxury or sports car
nsx good car, not enuff power, way too heavy in the T form, NSX-R pwns all
impreza wrx sti too understeery
lancer evo ugly interior but that doesn't really matter
mustang so many things wrong i dont know where to start
corvette id like to bash it but it's pretty good, still rather have an import tho
viper 1 word, crap

I Agree about the skyline and shuld a sportscar have all this electronic stuff?
I mean in a skyline your not a driver but a navigator. ABS, Antispin data stabilised chasi don't belong on spotscars.

Ariel motors in the UK got this things right.
Why is smal british companys like westfield, arial and lotus the only ones that know how a car should behave?

[stian1979]

and im sure theyd agree after they see your rediculous ramblings bout a 1250 horsepower 4.5 liter engine thats only boosted to 18 psi running on pump gas

Last years spec honda F1 engine at 3L had a output of 950hp without anny turbocharging and F1 cars are only aloved to use normal petrolium.

The turboengines in F1 in late 80's had a volum at 1,5L and a output of 1200hp

Rallycross cars had a output of 600hp and this cars have restrictor plates on the turbo inlet.

I do belive a 4,5L street car engine can reatch 1000hp, but I would like to know the setup befour I could defend a sutch claim.
I think that using psi just show that you way out of the modern world. It's pascal that the standard. 100000kPa=1bar

[QBridge]

Isn't there versions of the Skylines that are just RWD. The GTS is RWD and GTR is AWD? Or which way is it?
I think the Supra is a great car even if it's heavy. I'm sure there is lots of ways to lighten them up.

[clutch-monkey]

Isn't there versions of the Skylines that are just RWD. The GTS is RWD and GTR is AWD? Or which way is it?
I think the Supra is a great car even if it's heavy. I'm sure there is lots of ways to lighten them up.
yeah there is a GTS and a GTS-T etc etc, GTS is RWD
imo 1400kg isn't that heavy :)

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

Last years spec honda F1 engine at 3L had a output of 950hp without anny turbocharging and F1 cars are only aloved to use normal petrolium.

The turboengines in F1 in late 80's had a volum at 1,5L and a output of 1200hp

Rallycross cars had a output of 600hp and this cars have restrictor plates on the turbo inlet.

I do belive a 4,5L street car engine can reatch 1000hp, but I would like to know the setup befour I could defend a sutch claim.
I think that using psi just show that you way out of the modern world. It's pascal that the standard. 100000kPa=1bar

it's called small ass stroke and lots of boost

the specs the guy provided make it impossible to reach that type of power

[shelbygt500luvA]

gt 350sr 150mph
gt 500e 150 mph
s7twin turbo 200mph
s281 supercharged 150mph(limited)
esperante gtlm 180mph
zonda f clubsport 214 mph
exige 147mph
gt 205 mph
viper srt10 coupe 190mph
eb 16.4 veyron 253mph
axy type 2 150mph(off road)
and just about every american muscle car

[stian1979]

it's called small ass stroke and lots of boost

the specs the guy provided make it impossible to reach that type of power

I don't have convension table for psi around annymore sine it's not used annymore. how manny pascal or bar is 1psi?

[Mr. Jinx]

1 bar = 14.5 psi
or 1 psi = 0.068947572932 bar

[charged]

gt 350sr 150mph
gt 500e 150 mph
s7twin turbo 200mph
s281 supercharged 150mph(limited)
esperante gtlm 180mph
zonda f clubsport 214 mph
exige 147mph
gt 205 mph
viper srt10 coupe 190mph
eb 16.4 veyron 253mph
axy type 2 150mph(off road)
and just about every american muscle car

:confused:

[hassan shaam]

Skyline
because it is sexy and it is definitely male looking

[Blitz_]

Skyline
because it is sexy and it is definitely male looking


male looking? why is that, does it have wild facial hair and large equipment? haha fool...