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bmwpower
03-30-2006, 02:22 PM
I was wondering if the challenge stradale was street legal, my cousin believes that they are while i still hold the opinion they aren't so I've come to the experts to see how it fairs off..I want to see a vote as well to see what you guys think/know and vote before u read andy replies as to the answer of the question... ALSO here are some pics of the F430 challenge stradale that i took at the autoshow, i've posted them up before but didn't want the thread to feel empty
:Exige:
03-30-2006, 02:29 PM
The car in the picture is not street legal.
baddabang
03-30-2006, 02:39 PM
yeah bud thats a racecar.
johnnyperl
03-30-2006, 02:55 PM
Stradale means Street, does that answer the question?

Your pics are of the Challenge, there is no Challenge Stadale version of the 430.
netburner
03-30-2006, 03:03 PM
It is difficult if you only look at the name "Challenge", but, as written above, the second word "Stradale" means street.

There are three versions of the F360:

F360 Modena = normal road car
F360 Challenge = race car for club races and the Ferrari Challenge races
F360 Challenge Stradale = road version of the race version, more power, slightly modified aerodynamic



There will be something similar with the F430 sooner or later. Up to now there are only the F430 roadcar and the car you photographed, the F430 Challenge, which is for same use as the F360 Challenge was.
ruim20
03-30-2006, 03:21 PM
So... yes the Chalenge Stradale is street legal.
MrKipling
03-30-2006, 03:33 PM
Yes the Challenge Stradale was legal, but there is no such thing as the F430 Challenge car. Only the F430 GT.
FerrariPrinze1
03-30-2006, 03:40 PM
I can't wait for the 430 stradale...by the way...what about the stradales of the 50s and 60s..NOT STREET LEGGAAAALLL
MrKipling
03-30-2006, 03:54 PM
'Stradales' that aren't 'STREET LEGGAAAALLL' - a bit of a contadiction in terms.

According to Ferrari, there won't be a 430 Stradale but knowing them that means naff all.
F1_Master
03-30-2006, 04:00 PM
Uh no. There is a F430 GT and a F430 Challenge. The car in the picture is a Challenge model. The GT is what ran at Sebring.

An F430 CS will no doubtfully be made, but most like near the F430's final years to keep the F430 alive little longer.
This was done with the 360.
d-quik
03-30-2006, 04:29 PM
there is no such thing as the F430 Challenge carthis is wrong
bmwpower
03-30-2006, 11:03 PM
ahh ok everything is clear..knew that if anyone could clear things up it would be the veterans here at ultimate..thx guys
Wouter Melissen
03-30-2006, 11:45 PM
I can't wait for the 430 stradale...by the way...what about the stradales of the 50s and 60s..NOT STREET LEGGAAAALLL

Care to elaborate?
Guest
03-31-2006, 12:02 AM
whhops! thought it was a gt, so disregard my vote
drakkie
03-31-2006, 12:24 AM
To get this over with you can compare the Challenge Stradale version to the Porsche 911 GT3 RS. They are both street legal,IF licensed and all (i know a owner off the gt3rs that didnt do that :)). Some countries have different road legislation and there it might NOT be legal. In the European Union it is. Both the 360 cs and the 911 gt3rs are homologation models. Which means they are racing cars for the street. The homologation rules are that xxx cars must be built of the street version,before the racing car will be allowed.
MrKipling
03-31-2006, 01:10 AM
this is wrong

Sorry, Ferrari's press officer must have got it wrong then.

Ferrari wanted to make GT racing more easily accesible for their customers, so they are only building an F430GT which will also be used for the F430 Challenge Series. That's if they even do one - I've heard SF was getting a bit tired of the Ferrari Challenge's 'stock car racing for millionairres' nick name.

So, the 360 had: F360, 360 Spider, 360 Challenge, 360 Challenge Stradale and the 360 GTC

The F430 will have: F430, 430 Spider, F430GT and possibly a CS version.
Wouter Melissen
03-31-2006, 01:22 AM
Sorry, Ferrari's press officer must have got it wrong then.

Ferrari wanted to make GT racing more easily accesible for their customers, so they are only building an F430GT which will also be used for the F430 Challenge Series. That's if they even do one - I've heard SF was getting a bit tired of the Ferrari Challenge's 'stock car racing for millionairres' nick name.

So, the 360 had: F360, 360 Spider, 360 Challenge, 360 Challenge Stradale and the 360 GTC

The F430 will have: F430, 430 Spider, F430GT and possibly a CS version.

There is the F430 Challenge:
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=2446

And there is the F430 GTC:
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=2742

The Challenge is pretty much stock, whereas the GTC is extensively modified. The Challenge will be used in Ferrari's one make series and possibly the GT3 championship; the GTC is a full blood GT2 racer for Le Mans, LMS, ALMS and FIA GT.
MrKipling
03-31-2006, 02:18 AM
The Challenge was a show car. Again, I'm just going with what Ferrari's press officer told me!
Wouter Melissen
03-31-2006, 02:19 AM
The Challenge was a show car. Again, I'm just going with what Ferrari's press officer told me!

Have you clicked the link I provided?
MrKipling
03-31-2006, 02:34 AM
Yes I did, the 430 at the show was a 'Show Car', released before the specs had been finalised - hence Ferrari were being very cagey about exactly what it was and where it would fit into their line-up.

The car that will appear on race tracks will be the 430 GT. Although there will probably be a GT2 and a GT3 version, they will both come from the same basic car and the differences will be minimal, whereas the 360C and GTC were fundamentally different motors.
Wouter Melissen
03-31-2006, 02:38 AM
This is the F430 Challenge on track:
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic.php?imagenum=13&carnum=2446

This is the F430 GTC on track:
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic.php?imagenum=3&carnum=2742

The visual and technical differences are numerous. You were misinformed.
MrKipling
03-31-2006, 02:44 AM
Misinformed by Ferrari. Ok then.
Wouter Melissen
03-31-2006, 02:46 AM
Misinformed by Ferrari. Ok then.

I was at the launch in Frankfurt and the press release was pretty definitive.
MrKipling
03-31-2006, 02:51 AM
Hmmm, that is strange then. I was talking to the press department about a week ago, and I was told that they would not be manufacturing a Challenge version.

Still it's all probably just Ferrari smokescreening to cover their development of the 599 GTB GT or something! :D
Wouter Melissen
03-31-2006, 02:59 AM
I wonder where these all came from then. (images courtesy of ferrarichat.com)
MrKipling
03-31-2006, 04:30 AM
It's a good job I'm not publishing the feature anymore! Ferrari would have looked a little silly!
Wouter Melissen
03-31-2006, 04:34 AM
It's a good job I'm not publishing the feature anymore! Ferrari would have looked a little silly!

Hehehe. I wonder what information that spoke's person used.
MrKipling
03-31-2006, 04:42 AM
It's very odd I must say.
2ndclasscitizen
03-31-2006, 09:22 PM
It could be that Ferrari has changed its plans in the time since the launch that Wouter attended, though I think it'd be an odd move for Ferrari to not make a 430 CS, the 360 CS would've sold well I imagine
MrKipling
04-01-2006, 05:48 AM
As I said a bit earlier, I had been told Ferrari were sick of the 'Stock Car Racing for Millionairres' nickname the Ferrari Challenge had picked up and that's why they introduced Club Fiorano (or whatever it's called) - as a substitute.

However, photos of what certainly appear to be 430 Challenge Cars blows all that out of the water really, doesn't it?!

Unless of course those are Club Fiorano cars - they do use track prepared 430s.