Honda...yay or nay

[blewUaway]

In my opinion like pictures youve seen driving a honda is like the special olympics even if you win your still retarded.
the only way a honda is fast is if its not a honda

[Vaigra]

oh...great.

Nice sig btw...

[Wolf03]

Wow....congraltions on wasting your time posting some useless crap...

[blewUaway]

nice sig to you to and im sorry but honda to japan is like the saturn to america.

[F1_Master]

Despite the fact that an NSX can whoop both mine and your 3000, not to mention my 2 BMWs.:rolleyes:

[magracer]

nice sig to you to and im sorry but honda to japan is like the saturn to america.

You have to be kidding me... but hey, if you say so! ;)

[my porsche]

i dont like honda cars either, barring the NSX which is sold as an acura here isnt it?

like their sport bikes though :D

[Niko_Fx]

In my opinion like pictures youve seen driving a honda is like the special olympics even if you win your still retarded.
the only way a honda is fast is if its not a honda

*Sighs* Kids...

[F1_Master]

i dont like honda cars either, barring the NSX which is sold as an acura here isnt it?

like their sport bikes though :D
Correct, well, was.

[Quiggs]

I don't know what you guys are talking about. Hondas are great.

http://www.rockymountainsupply.com/images/hrc216sxa.jpeg

http://www.theshop.ca/catalog/images/mHONDABF5.jpg

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

nice sig to you to and im sorry but honda to japan is like the saturn to america.

kinda like how you are to canada is how george bush is to america, except ur even dumber then he is

[silverhawk]

i dont hate hondas but i do hate the City & previous civics. ive only seen one nsx ever & its a nice car.

[bmwpower]

driving a honda is like the special olympics even if you win your still retarded.


That's a disgrace..i personally think he should get some type of penalty for the statement, it undervalues human life and shows so much ignorance that i can only wish upon him the unfortunate fate of those individuals he choses to ridicule..

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Honda is to Japan what Saturn is the US if Saturn turned out to be an industrial powerhouse putting out some really good material that people actually buy.

But thats just me....

[mclaren_crazy]

BAN!!!!!!!!!! just my humble thoughts

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

why stop at banning him from ucp
why not ban him from canada ?? idiots dont belong on this side of the boarder :D

[F1_Master]

That's a disgrace..i personally think he should get some type of penalty for the statement, it undervalues human life and shows so much ignorance that i can only wish upon him the unfortunate fate of those individuals he choses to ridicule..
It also shows he has no creativity in insults.

And unforunately Knife, you're right.
The US seems to be home to more idiots than it needs.

[ZeTurbo]

why stop at banning him from ucp
why not ban him from canada ?? idiots dont belong on this side of the boarder :D
LOL

Niko's simple post sums up my thoughts on this bozo...

[Guest]

nice sig to you to and im sorry but honda to japan is like the saturn to america.yes, bacause Saturn make Boats, Robots, Bikes, Industrial Machines AND Cars!

[Niko_Fx]

In my opinion like pictures youve seen driving a honda is like the special olympics even if you win your still retarded.

I think you meant RACING a Honda... Or is regular driving some sort of competition?

Your car weights more than a friggin SUV and can burn a clutch after 3 miles of driving... perhaps that's what's bugging you so much? Wish you had Honda's reliability? Poor guy, I understand you now :(

[h00t_h00t]

Thats a small SUV and a crazy 3 miles of driving...

Also ricers prove that regualr driving IS some sort of competition.

;)

[sunk]

Another anti-Honda thread coming up:(
Anyway, STOP insulting disabled folks.:angry: Next time when you fall off a building or something, you won't get any sympathy from me.

[Gtek-i]

u cant judge a car by its front fascia...i wonder if youve even driven a honda...by the way i own 1 and the element can easily beat the crap out of a saturn vue!

[Gtek-i]

yes, bacause Saturn make Boats, Robots, Bikes, Industrial Machines AND Cars!
and theve also made a jet before...lol

[cp01ae]

honda to japan is like the saturn to america.

You wouldn't say that if you'd ever been to Japan. Honda is a socio-economic powerhouse. Honda is tha largest engine maker in the world and they've got a well deserved reputation for quality. While most models aren't exactly sporting, they have the acclaimed NSX, S200 and Integra TYPE-R to back them up. Can you name any American cars that can compete in those segments?

[kingofthering]

ummm... i think this is ironic that this guy compares honda to the special olympics, saying that they suck, yet he types like he belongs there.
BTW, didn't honda popularize VTEC and revolutionize the auto industry?

[Gtek-i]

verdict: the Honda Oddessey van can look like a sports car when compared to the Saturn Relay when the light turns green... lol

[IBrake4Rainbows]

The American Odyssey or the Japanese One?

In a straight line battle between the Japanese one and the relay i'd be surprised if the Japanese one didn't end up behind.

But then again, who races vans?

[Gtek-i]

The American Odyssey or the Japanese One?

In a straight line battle between the Japanese one and the relay i'd be surprised if the Japanese one didn't end up behind.

But then again, who races vans?
the american 240somthin hp 1 and people that would race vans are people that like 2 drive fast but also have 2 take their kids 2 school

[PerfAdv]

In my opinion like pictures youve seen driving a honda is like the special olympics even if you win your still retarded.
the only way a honda is fast is if its not a honda
I kinda actually understand what you're saying but both Enzo Ferrari and Sochiro Honda were big into racing ever since the beginning. Enzo looked for sponsers so he could build fantastic race cars and Sochiro started racing the moped type bicycles. All of the duo's cars are competition bred. Sochiro's company is now present in many kinds of racing and even dominant in some. F1, JGTC, MotoGP and Motocross; I'm sure there are others.

For sporty road cars Honda has many, any Type-R is worthy in its class and then there are the NSX and S2000. True, there's probably a Mopar that has more torque than all of them put together but how many races has it won? Honda has 50+ years of winning race heritage!! They sell Civics so they can race 900 HP V10s :D

...and the fact a Civic can sometimes manhandle a muscle car brings out dregs who then try to drag Honda down...

[MrKipling]

^^ here here. Apparently of millions on VTEC engines to be made by Honda, not ONE SINGLE ENGINE has broken.

[Max Power]

Oh man....I know already who is stupid here.

[Max Power]

I kinda actually understand what you're saying but both Enzo Ferrari and Sochiro Honda were big into racing ever since the beginning. Enzo looked for sponsers so he could build fantastic race cars and Sochiro started racing the moped type bicycles. All of the duo's cars are competition bred. Sochiro's company is now present in many kinds of racing and even dominant in some. F1, JGTC, MotoGP and Motocross; I'm sure there are others.

For sporty road cars Honda has many, any Type-R is worthy in its class and then there are the NSX and S2000. True, there's probably a Mopar that has more torque than all of them put together but how many races has it won? Honda has 50+ years of winning race heritage!! They sell Civics so they can race 900 HP V10s :D

...and the fact a Civic can sometimes manhandle a muscle car brings out dregs who then try to drag Honda down...
Yeah and don't forget IRL,where GM was not only beaten by Honda but also by Toyota.Amazing when you consider that Honda and Toyota are spending more money and resources in F1 than in the IRL series.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

IRL, Who could forget IRL :p

Honda has a very different business to the big three, run by engineers instead of bean counters.

At the moment it seems that with passion comes profits.

[john14]

Honda...yay or nay
In my opinion like pictures youve seen driving a honda is like the special olympics even if you win your still retarded.
the only way a honda is fast is if its not a honda

This post is pathetic and disgraceful! Honda are an excellent car manufacturer and Honda cars are great (overall). Also, show some respect for less fortunate people who are mentally retarded!

[Gtek-i]

final decision: Honda, is definetley a YAAAAAAAY!!!

[Nittogtr]

YAY for hondas. Hondas are very good for starting though.

[jcp123]

Meh. I can't stand Honda's boy racer image. Whether or not they make good cars, I can't get over that. I'm also not a huge fan of their interiors.

Now their motorcycles, on the other hand, are very interesting...I'd just have to convert them back to carburetors :)

[h00t_h00t]

^^ here here. Apparently of millions on VTEC engines to be made by Honda, not ONE SINGLE ENGINE has broken.
One of them MUST have died from owner stupidity.

[Gtek-i]

One of them MUST have died from owner stupidity.
either trying to put an uncompatible turbocharger upside down or trying to see who can keep their car in the redline the longest! lol

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

either trying to put an uncompatible turbocharger upside down or trying to see who can keep their car in the redline the longest! lol

that would really only blow the engine ... not the vtec unit itself :P

[Blackhat]

kinda like how you are to canada is how george bush is to america, except ur even dumber then he is

Let me guess, Bush would make your happy list if he declared peace with everyone and taxed the hell out of america for socialist programs?


Honda makes great cars. I own a 05 accord that is awesome on gas. Of course, I think the original poster was referring to the civic rice craze that seems to be loosing its following. I would guess some people were confused that they were buying an economy car... You have to admit the body designs on the accords and civics look pretty sporty.

[zeta]

The worlds biggest engine supplier = Honda

Recently found out

[Gtek-i]

that would really only blow the engine ... not the vtec unit itself :P
but if the engine doesn't work...how can vtec work? I went to a race on Sunday, and there was a guy that lost the race and here is his reason, "My Vtec didn't kick in!" what a riiiiiicer! :1

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

but if the engine doesn't work...how can vtec work? I went to a race on Sunday, and there was a guy that lost the race and here is his reason, "My Vtec didn't kick in!" what a riiiiiicer! :1

i never said it would
its just the failure isnt due to the vtec system as you implied
if the engine blows, the weakest link was the con rods, piston rings, head gasket, cooling system bla bla bla not the vtec itself

lol that guy sounds like my friend ... he keeps raving on about how he can "feel" the vtec in his 96 accord kick in ... i keep telling him the only vtecs that actually have a performance oriented cam are the ones in the type Rs and type S' ... the sad part is he's an engineer too ... so pathetic considering i'm in business and i know 10x what he does about cars ...

[Gtek-i]

i can feel the pain...my other friend is soooo stupid he thinks Carrera S can beat the Turbo S AND GT3!!

[h00t_h00t]

i never said it would
its just the failure isnt due to the vtec system as you implied
if the engine blows, the weakest link was the con rods, piston rings, head gasket, cooling system bla bla bla not the vtec itself

lol that guy sounds like my friend ... he keeps raving on about how he can "feel" the vtec in his 96 accord kick in ... i keep telling him the only vtecs that actually have a performance oriented cam are the ones in the type Rs and type S' ... the sad part is he's an engineer too ... so pathetic considering i'm in business and i know 10x what he does about cars ...
Have you ridden in it? I would have thought that a change to a higher performance cam would create a noticeable responce from the engine.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

Have you ridden in it? I would have thought that a change to a higher performance cam would create a noticeable responce from the engine.

it would ... if the lift profiles changed by a great amount
but on non type r, s2000, and nsx engines
the vtec lobes used are all geared towards increasing fuel economy decreasing emmissions, and no significant power or torque change can be seen, the low rpm lobes just cracks open one valve a lil while opening the other medium lift for a better swirl and more efficient combustion, the high rpm lobe in these vtecs are more akin to regular cams, as opposed the the afformentioned performance vtecs who's low rpm lobe is a regular cam with the high rpm cam using high lift and more overlap

[NuclearCrap]

Hey guys, don't forget that the Acura team with TSXs and RSXs won the touring car championship over here against Audi A4s and BMW 3-series and a bunch others. ;) The last race was the same date as '05 ALMS Laguna Seca, so I was there and was just about 10 feet away from the driver's "victory donuts". :)

They aren't bad in racing at all. ;)

[Rotary.freak]

Honda's are definitely nice cars with some very capable engines and honestly they probably have the best 4 cylinder engines in the world for the price you pay for them. The car is also reliable and is pretty quick. What really ticked my off was the last sentence in


You wouldn't say that if you'd ever been to Japan. Honda is a socio-economic powerhouse. Honda is tha largest engine maker in the world and they've got a well deserved reputation for quality. While most models aren't exactly sporting, they have the acclaimed NSX, S200 and Integra TYPE-R to back them up. Can you name any American cars that can compete in those segments?

Just because u hate american cars doesn't mean there are no sports cars in america. U proved to be just as ignorant as the creator of this thread, just that ur on the other side of the spectrum.

Ford Mustang, Corvettes, Viper, Monte Carlos (nascar?), Chargers and there are probably a few others and many on the way. And I hope u meant Honda Integra as in the Acura RSX in America because otherwise ur just talking BS. The acura integra type r's aren't that impressive compared to the cars listed above.

Honda does have better handling than most american cars tho and I personally prefer asian or european cars because of the quality factor and are generally sportier and much more fun to drive, all im saying is that u shouldn't undermine or overlook American brands just because they aren't featured in 2F2F or because everyone loves to bash them.

[Ferrer]

Monte Carlos (nascar?)
A Chevrolet Montecarlo isn't a sportscar.

[Lets Gekiga In]

A Chevrolet Montecarlo isn't a sportscar.
Yep, a Monte Carlo is more like a personal coupe.

And if he's talking about the NASCAR car, then that's a race car.

[ballast]

i own one as a road car (integra)i race one (civic sri) and although they have there fault's i think they are as good if not better than anything else in there class as for the engine's any of the "b" series vtec engine's are as close to a full spec race engine as you can get.eg steel crank,steel rods,forged pistons,balanced,a brillant plenum, and producing 160bhp at 8200rpm,or in type 'r' form 187bhp at 8500rpm and all of that from a 1587cc engine, impressive i think.

[clutch-monkey]

if it seemed worthwhile i'd love to do something to my old honda...but i think it's time to sell the old girl :( too many rego's and insurance fees to pay

[ballast]

what year is it and how much?

[clutch-monkey]

1991 DA9 integra, i'm supposed to be able to get 6 grand for it apparently because everything works. But there are a few chips in the paint work
just not worth it to modify it or strip it out or anythign for me.

[kigango123]

That's a disgrace..i personally think he should get some type of penalty for the statement, it undervalues human life and shows so much ignorance that i can only wish upon him the unfortunate fate of those individuals he choses to ridicule..

lame! :rolleyes:

[The_Canuck]

That post is over a year old...

[kigango123]

That post is over a year old...

it still lame

[jcp123]

Honda = nay. Unless it's a K24/20 stuffed into a Caterham Super 7 or similar...

[clutch-monkey]

Honda = nay. Unless it's a K24/20 stuffed into a Caterham Super 7 or similar...
hell, i'd be happy with that frankenstein engine in an S2000, lol. stick the F20C in a caterham :D

[kingofthering]

Honda = nay. Unless it's a K24/20 stuffed into a Caterham Super 7 or similar...


Shove it into a black Exige, and you've got a deal.

[Ferrer]

Honda = nay. Unless it's a K24/20 stuffed into a Caterham Super 7 or similar...
I have to say for a family hatch the Civic looks like and enticing proposition. A bit on the expensive side, but good looking, modern and a fantastic interior.

[Mr.Tiv]

Honda = nay. Unless it's a K24/20 stuffed into a Caterham Super 7 or similar...

But, honestly, wouldn't you rather have a Cosworth in it? I would.

[jcp123]

But, honestly, wouldn't you rather have a Cosworth in it? I would.

Yeah, I'd have to say a Cossie would hold more appeal...but given this is a HonDUH thread...:D

[whiteballz]

Saw a spankers civic type-R on wed, looks abit like R2-D2 on wheels.

still, it was a fresh change, and certianly looked good.

[DesmoRob]

In my opinion like pictures youve seen driving a honda is like the special olympics even if you win your still retarded.
the only way a honda is fast is if its not a honda

Things make a lot more sense now, thankyou.

edited.

[Lets Gekiga In]

But, honestly, wouldn't you rather have a Cosworth in it? I would.

I think I would still prefer the Honda. :p

[civic_ferio]

Well forgive me for making this my first post on this forum, but "blewUaway" needs to take his thumb out of his arsehole and catch a wake up. Comparing Honda to Saturn is like comparing Micheal Schumacher to the latest rookie A1 driver. You can't. :mad:

Take a look at the reliability records. The Fit/Jazz is constantly the number one car in SA for CSI and least faults per 100 new vehicles... The Civic Type-R (we get the FN2 hatch) has been acclaimed by just about every single publication as the best Hot Hatch, I could go on for hours. The Civic sedan won the 2007 COTY award here. The new diesel motors are probably the cleanest and quietest you can get.

And the fact that Honda neither owns another manufacturer (who would sponge off Honda's technology) nor IS OWNED by another manufacturer (where Honda could sponge of their technology) proves Honda's success. Never insult a man on a bicycle with a water bottle as a fuel tank.;)

And yes I am a Honda fan, I run the Honda Owners Club of South Africa.

[Lets Gekiga In]

Well forgive me for making this my first post on this forum, but "blewUaway" needs to take his thumb out of his arsehole and catch a wake up. Comparing Honda to Saturn is like comparing Micheal Schumacher to the latest rookie A1 driver. You can't. :mad:

Take a look at the reliability records. The Fit/Jazz is constantly the number one car in SA for CSI and least faults per 100 new vehicles... The Civic Type-R (we get the FN2 hatch) has been acclaimed by just about every single publication as the best Hot Hatch, I could go on for hours. The Civic sedan won the 2007 COTY award here. The new diesel motors are probably the cleanest and quietest you can get.

And the fact that Honda neither owns another manufacturer (who would sponge off Honda's technology) nor IS OWNED by another manufacturer (where Honda could sponge of their technology) proves Honda's success. Never insult a man on a bicycle with a water bottle as a fuel tank.;)

And yes I am a Honda fan, I run the Honda Owners Club of South Africa.
I'm really glad to see somebody step up for Honda! They're a fantastic company with an excellent heritage.

[civic_ferio]

thanks

i am a lover of cars in general, but Honda is my absolute passion. I'll be a Honda nut till i die!:cool:

[Lets Gekiga In]

thanks

i am a lover of cars in general, but Honda is my absolute passion. I'll be a Honda nut till i die!:cool:
I absolutely love Honda.

A 1992 Honda Civic Si was my first ever car and I still get the pleasure of driving my dad's S2000 around. :)

[civic_ferio]

i drove an S2000 about a month ago and it's incredible.. i'd take it over the FN2, it's so much more exciting!

[Lets Gekiga In]

i drove an S2000 about a month ago and it's incredible.. i'd take it over the FN2, it's so much more exciting!
My dad told me if he were to buy a new car today he would just be buying another S2000. :p

[clutch-monkey]

^ i think if i had to have one, it'd be turbo/supercharged. i respect them as is but didn't really like the (this will sound cliche) lack of torque, i know it's not a problem if you keep it at a squillion rpm but to make it perfect for me i'd have to go FI ;) :) just not my driving style i guess?

[civic_ferio]

the nice thing about Honda motors is that they are so strong as n/a so when you boost them you have no issues!

my little 1600 can run at 0.8bar with stock internals no problem...:cool:

[whiteballz]

the nice thing about Honda motors is that they are so strong as n/a so when you boost them you have no issues!

my little 1600 can run at 0.8bar with stock internals no problem...:cool:

How many PSI is that?

[civic_ferio]

How many PSI is that?
11.6 PSI


f***ing hot avatar btw, SUBARU FTW!!!;)

[whiteballz]

11 PSI, thats damned impressive.

A guy's getting 280kw out of an SR20DET on 15 PSI on stock internals..

He said for small runs he puts it up to 17 I think, and gets 295+ however doesnt want to risk drifting it at that high PSI.

I think 15 PSI on stock internals is pretty impressive.

[civic_ferio]

mmm, very.... although technically i can do a straight swap K20A from the EP type-R and kill anything running up to 20 PSI (i've seen it and it is amazing)

[whiteballz]

sheet.

I <3 the Type R i see every day. DC5, black paint, CF Hood + bootlid. white wheels.

+ incredibly loud F1 in a can sounding zorst.

EDIT: looks like this but black

http://www.srbpower.com/images/chargespeed/honda/integra-dc5-half/image01.jpg

[civic_ferio]

OMG

we have never had any Type-R's in SA until the new FN2 hatch... I have only ever seen one DC5 (Botswana registered). We have two locally registered DC2s, no EP3s and one EK9 (the locally registered cars are all imports):(

[whiteballz]

Thats a pitty, you need to come over here, DC5 tegs and type R's are commonplace to me every day.

as a matter of fact, tonight im seeing a friend who owns a white DC2 type R TEG.

[civic_ferio]

damn i'm jealous!

[clutch-monkey]

sheet.

I <3 the Type R i see every day. DC5, black paint, CF Hood + bootlid. white wheels.

+ incredibly loud F1 in a can sounding zorst.

EDIT: looks like this but black

there's one similar to that at the sprints, keeps the turbo'ed S2000 on it's toes!

[civic_ferio]

blegh that DC5 is rice!:eek:

[clutch-monkey]

it's a regular at the sprints, how is it rice? :confused:

[civic_ferio]

it's a regular at the sprints, how is it rice? :confused:
it looks hideous man!:D

[clutch-monkey]

rofl i don't care as long as it wieghs less :D

[civic_ferio]

rofl i don't care as long as it wieghs less :D
LOL

a car can look decent AND weigh nothing FYI...:D

[clutch-monkey]

lies, look at the caparo T1 :D

[civic_ferio]

lies, look at the caparo T1 :D
dude that things is HAWT!!!

[clutch-monkey]

i'd say it's purposeful and aggressive.... i'd find it attractive if i was on a huge LSD trip, most likely.

[civic_ferio]

lol:D

[superwaxer]

What cars do you people drive!? Hondas are the best Japanese car on the market today. Its a jap with german engineering. If you dont like Hondas I suggest you get a life. QUICK!

[superwaxer]

OMG

we have never had any Type-R's in SA until the new FN2 hatch... I have only ever seen one DC5 (Botswana registered). We have two locally registered DC2s, no EP3s and one EK9 (the locally registered cars are all imports):(

I used to live in SA for 18 years (I was born there). Now I live in New Zealand and now I see more Type-R's than I see grass (New Zealands got a lot of grass by the way). I drive a DC5 and its simply devine!

[clutch-monkey]

Hondas are the best Japanese car on the market today.
lololol
not since production of the integra and nsx stopped.

[superwaxer]

lololol
not since production of the integra and nsx stopped.

Despite this I still think that a Honda motor will outrun any other motor on the japanese market.

[kingofthering]

Despite this I still think that a Honda motor will outrun any other motor on the japanese market.

2JZGTE? RB26DET? VQ-series?

or the upcoming VR38DET?

Come now, Honda is great, but not that great.

[clutch-monkey]

Despite this I still think that a Honda motor will outrun any other motor on the japanese market.
not in any of the current honda's available lol.

[superwaxer]

2JZGTE? RB26DET? VQ-series?

or the upcoming VR38DET?

Come now, Honda is great, but not that great.

I do certainely agree, the 2JZGTE and RB engines are all great engines, especially the upcoming over-engineerd VR38DET. However, they are all in a different price range and they all have different platforms compared to Hondas. In my opinion Hondas are unbeatable when it comes to 4 cylinder naturally aspirated engines. Unless something seriously went wrong over the last few years that Im not aware of!

This will be a good argument to have in ten years time :)

[jugga]

there is a ricer image on honda cars and that overshadows the good engineering in it. they supply reliable engines that do win races (not in F1 yet!!!). im happy with mine so will be buying honda until i can afford a mclaren f1

[CamNismo]

I agree that the Honda is sometimes overshadowed by ricer image but what bout the S2K & NSX??? they make great Time Attack vehicles and "Factory X" has a crazy time attack NSX...so i think Hondas sometimes are looked down apone but it shouldnt be done.....


now dont get the crazy idea that a CRX will beat a fixed up Nissan or something but some Honda's are alright.

[clutch-monkey]

now dont get the crazy idea that a CRX will beat a fixed up Nissan or something but some Honda's are alright.
eh..actually the hipower CRX (the hatch one) kicked ass at the last nissan vs honda trackday, took a nismo R34 GTR to beat it.

[CamNismo]

eh..actually the hipower CRX (the hatch one) kicked ass at the last nissan vs honda trackday, took a nismo R34 GTR to beat it.

really..well i guess the CRX does have a huge weight avantaged, and if u get the engine right then the power to weight should be decent....thanks for telling me I would have never knew..sometimes a good upset is g00d...

[clutch-monkey]

really..well i guess the CRX does have a huge weight avantaged, and if u get the engine right then the power to weight should be decent....thanks for telling me I would have never knew..sometimes a good upset is g00d...

yeah, it was predicted to be a landslide in nissan's favour..but a handful of well driven honda's took some of the top spots.

[whiteballz]

I got my ass handed to me by a DC2 'tegra this morning.
to be fair my altenator has lost its charge.

[clutch-monkey]

heh, if it was an ITR probably would have won regardless of whether your alternator was working or not :p

[whiteballz]

... You forget i can block two lanes with my cars ability to slide under control. unlike SOME people who own pendulums.

[clutch-monkey]

hey, i can block two lanes, it's just for how long (or in the mini, parking perpendicularly ..okay that wouldn't work)