Ever heard of the Mosler MT900

[ENZOMAN]

would you pay 160,000 for only 435hp....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

0-60 in 3.13
1/4 mile 11.02 @126pmh
braking 60-0 in 100ft
slalom 74.7mph

TOP SPEED IS ONLY 165MPH!!! WHAT THE???!!!1 :confused: :confused:

and why you might ask is it only capable of 165mph???

Aerodynamically Limited "true" top speed

you would think that a car this sleek would be aerodynamically advantaged

[baddabang]

do you have any pics of this "Aerodynamically Limited" mosler mt900

[deffenbaugh03]

on UCP go to mosler and click mt900 you'll find pics

[ENZOMAN]

do you have any pics of this "Aerodynamically Limited" mosler mt900
i had to find some so here it is

[Matra et Alpine]

would you pay 160,000 for only 435hp....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

0-60 in 3.13
1/4 mile 11.02 @126pmh
braking 60-0 in 100ft
slalom 74.7mph

TOP SPEED IS ONLY 165MPH!!! WHAT THE???!!!1 :confused: :confused:

and why you might ask is it only capable of 165mph???

Aerodynamically Limited "true" top speed

you would think that a car this sleek would be aerodynamically advantaged
Well there's lots I could say.
- paying for acceleration in place of top speed.
- Usability of the drive maybe.
- Focus on markets they wish to sell in ? ( Bikes have agreed limits for years now to ensure no legal action is taken )

However for the Mosler, I'll let it's win in GTS class in the Rolex 24 Daytona last year speak for itself :)

http://www.neugarten.com/images/DAYTONA-Mosler-Andy.jpg

It's been decades since you were able to buy a Ferrari or Audi Le Mans winner for road use :) :)

[IL Duce]

Ai... never heard of it, and now i see it, i wish it would have stayed that way... i dont like it: it looks like a saleen!!! that cant be a good thing, can it? look at the ridiculous wipers alone... thats from the pre-woII .... horch or something... :p

[NAZCA C2]

would you pay 160,000 for only 435hp....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

0-60 in 3.13
1/4 mile 11.02 @126pmh
braking 60-0 in 100ft
slalom 74.7mph

TOP SPEED IS ONLY 165MPH!!! WHAT THE???!!!1 :confused: :confused:

and why you might ask is it only capable of 165mph???

Aerodynamically Limited "true" top speed

you would think that a car this sleek would be aerodynamically advantaged

The 165mph top speed is probably because of gear ratios, the MT900 is practically a race car. You don't want gearing that will let you go 200mph if you are racing on a track where you are only going to get to 165mph. I'm sure the MT900 could go much faster than 165 if it was set up for max speed.
Also how dare you badmouth the MT900 what kind of car enthusiast are you!

http://www.moslerauto.com/

[Batmobile_Turbo]

yes ONLY 435 HP :rolleyes:
it is also light weight and handles very well, it is worth the money. so the HP doesn't matter if it is that light weight, it also goes to 60 in less than an Enzo can.

[Pimp racer]

This car is kinda old man.

[NAZCA C2]

This car is kinda old man.

For less than $200,000 you can take the MT900 racing in the Rolex Sportscar Series and you can't argue with that.

[fhsviper8]

I like the looks of it except the front end is kinda not shaped right.

[sandwich]

warren mosler (i think it's warren) is a pure auto enthusiast. He began building his own cars out of his own passion and pocketbook. His original cars used a split front window that was dog ugly. The MT900 is a cooperative effort between him and somebody else...i forget who.

The car is similar to the saleen, and equally low in production numbers. Truly a track car gone road. I'd love to own one- Think enzo beater for less than a Modena? HP figures only go so far before it just doesn't matter.

And yeah, the top speed is probably gearing limited. Since the car is made in low numbers, actual performance probably varies, similar to the saleen. I can believe the 3.13 0-60 though, I can't in the S7 R&T test.

[ENZOMAN]

The 165mph top speed is probably because of gear ratios, the MT900 is practically a race car. You don't want gearing that will let you go 200mph if you are racing on a track where you are only going to get to 165mph. I'm sure the MT900 could go much faster than 165 if it was set up for max speed.
Also how dare you badmouth the MT900 what kind of car enthusiast are you!

http://www.moslerauto.com/

i agree with you guys that is is from gear ratios, but the motor trend article i read said it was only because it was aerodynamically limited

and the reason i said 160,000 is too much for this car is because
for alot cheaper, you can buy the corvetteZ06
the mt900 uses the same engine, so buying a corvette and tuning it could make it as fast and then you wouldn't be aerodynamically limited :)

[Slicks]

Isnt the Molser an american car....

[Falcon500]

It is an american car...why it was put in here is beyond me....
Well anways the mosler also came 2nd to the purpose built race car the 427 monaro in the bathurst 24 hour and against a better field came 5 last year We even had Mr Mosler himself come down to bathurst to whatch his cars! I cant see why your knocking it at all its a great and versatile package and is much cheaper then a lot more cars with much the same performance...

[Egg Nog]

I'm pretty surprised to hear you complaining about the value of this car, considering your worship of the Enzo. An MT900 could keep pace with an Enzo around the track, and is an incredible deal when considering the car that you get.

The value of a car shouldn't be determined by cost-per-horsepower. Is a Dodge SRT-4 worth more than a Lotus Elise? Does it perform better?

The gearing ratios of the MT900 are for racing, as is the rest of the car. If you're only going to pay $160,000 for a hardcore track racer, you're getting a damn good deal.

This car is worthy of so much more than your ignorant insults.

[Falcon500]

Here here egg nog couldent of ahrdlysaid it better myself...if i can give you some rep i will enjoy your 3+ rep if i can deliver it...

[ENZOMAN]

This car is worthy of so much more than your ignorant insults.


i never insulted the car, but i just think if i was paying over 100,000 for any car, i would at least expect it to be aerodynamically stable at high speeds

yeah the car is a reasonably lower in cost than others ( i don't disagree with you there) :)

[the real deal]

Those of you who are bad mouthing the mosler have not seen it in real life let alone race. i saw it race in the British GT championship last year and this year. and as most of the people have said it is set up for racing, speed is not the biggest issue on the tracks that it races on. and as Matra et Alpine said it did win at the Daytona 24hrs in its class last year. but not only that, it won at the spa 1000km race last year to so its not the slowest car in the world and it did have to deal with the might of the Dewalt TVR 440r's.
The car has been set in a couple of races for speed, and in some tests the car has been clocked at over 200mph. and come on how many people do you actually know that have been over 165mph anyway. if you have acceleration and it handles like a beast then you can forget about the power and the top speed, youll neva gonna use it on the roads today the way they are now!! :cool:

[Egg Nog]

i never insulted the car, but i just think if i was paying over 100,000 for any car, i would at least expect it to be aerodynamically stable at high speeds

Unfortunately, you have no real evidence of backing up your claim.

A hardcore racing car like this one is designed for superior grip and handling capabilities. Approaching high velocities, the Mosler will still retain amazing amounts of grip. This, naturally, is due to its aerodynamics, which cause lots of downforce. So in essence, it's the polar opposite of what you've said. It's actually very stable at high speeds. That's exactly what it's been engineered to do.

EDIT: A real figure for the top speed is hard to find. I did a quick search on google, and on the first page alone the top speed statistics ranged anywhere from 150mph to 190mph to [est] 200+mph.

[eyebrows]

my message is simple, i think its kool and not just it looks good. light weight 400 and what eva bhp resnoble handeling from the sounds of it and i think that some how it would be aerodynaicly stable and its just been ratioed like that for some reason. :o im tired so if i wrote something wrong please feel free to take the piss out of me :p

[the real deal]

I think that we have come to the conclution that ENZOMAN is wrong and i have to ask if he has ever seen this car because if he hasnt i cant see how he can even think to have a go at this car. the car is gr8. set up for racing, acceleration and handleing. but there was one more thing! which of these do you think is the better racer? You may be supprised! :p

[ENZOMAN]

I think that we have come to the conclution that ENZOMAN is wrong and i have to ask if he has ever seen this car because if he hasnt i cant see how he can even think to have a go at this car. the car is gr8. set up for racing, acceleration and handleing. but there was one more thing! which of these do you think is the better racer? You may be supprised! :p


no i have never seen this car, i'm sure it looks great as is does in pictures,

and about me being wrong, that is simply not true, i only repeated the words straight from the text of a motor trend magazine, so blame them

the reason i started this forum was because i thought 165pmh top speed sounded slow for such a sleek looking automobile, and i wanted to get some more info on it, and many of you delivered, so thanks :cool:

[GT500]

As stated in their article, their aero package gave it so much downforce and grip (slalom nearly 75 mph and awesome accel.) that teh top speed was compromised. :)

[Batmobile_Turbo]

in GT2, when i put full downforce on any of my cars, their top speed is limited, but they have very good handleing and are stable at highspeeds.

[Falcon500]

As stated in their article, their aero package gave it so much downforce and grip (slalom nearly 75 mph and awesome accel.) that teh top speed was compromised. :)
Obviously you could of read the article better enzoman....that doesnt say the car is unstable to me....
+3 rep too GT500 too for clearing this up :D

[ENZOMAN]

Obviously you could of read the article better enzoman....that doesnt say the car is unstable to me....
+3 rep too GT500 too for clearing this up :D

obviously we are talking about two different magazine articles, i reread the only one i have from motor trend and it doesn't even have an aero package, nor does the article speak of one on the mosler

take another look at the pic, it has no wing or aero package

[GT500]

may I ask which issue? I was looking at.....*looks*

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took a coupel mins to dig it out....June 2003. Which were you reading? :confused:

let me quote from MT: "But a funny thing happened on the way to 200: downforce. And drag. The Mosler's Aero Package, which helped it deliver such serious cornering power and stability, compromised its top end. You can't win 'em all, Warren."

On the top of the last column of the last page of the "Speeding!" article. Meh that sounds weird. Anyways, Enzoman, which article were you reading? :confused:

[fpv_gtho]

obviously we are talking about two different magazine articles, i reread the only one i have from motor trend and it doesn't even have an aero package, nor does the article speak of one on the mosler

take another look at the pic, it has no wing or aero package


who says an aero package simply contains a wing or rear spoiler, the car may be fitted with a diffuser, the body itself may produce downforce, you never know

[ENZOMAN]

may I ask which issue? I was looking at.....*looks*

....

took a coupel mins to dig it out....June 2003. Which were you reading? :confused:

let me quote from MT: "But a funny thing happened on the way to 200: downforce. And drag. The Mosler's Aero Package, which helped it deliver such serious cornering power and stability, compromised its top end. You can't win 'em all, Warren."

On the top of the last column of the last page of the "Speeding!" article. Meh that sounds weird. Anyways, Enzoman, which article were you reading? :confused:


i am reading the same one from june 2003, and on pages 86-87
i don't see the qoute you found

then on page 94 is where its top speed is listed at 165mph because of being aerodynamically limited

[ENZOMAN]

who says an aero package simply contains a wing or rear spoiler, the car may be fitted with a diffuser, the body itself may produce downforce, you never know


I know it doesn't have to have a wing, the point is the article does not mention anything to do with a wing or any kind of aerodynamic devises

[fpv_gtho]

well just remember journalists never know more than the manufacturers

[Falcon500]

Very good point indeed

[fpv_gtho]

us australians have experienced this all too much with the bias spreading through ACP (the mob who own street machine, wheels and motor) and i reckon the only aussie journo i'd believe is Peter Robinson, and he doesnt even live here, hes got a villa in Italy or something

[the real deal]

no i have never seen this car, i'm sure it looks great as is does in pictures,

and about me being wrong, that is simply not true, i only repeated the words straight from the text of a motor trend magazine, so blame them

the reason i started this forum was because i thought 165pmh top speed sounded slow for such a sleek looking automobile, and i wanted to get some more info on it, and many of you delivered, so thanks :cool:

Hey m8 sorry to be rude, i shudnt get so competitve. At least you understand why the car is like it is. :D