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Wagsy
03-20-2004, 03:33 PM
Which classic muscle car would you guys prefer to own. This is if you could choose any model of the camaro or mustang.

I would choose the mustang but just cause my dad owns one and im totally in love with it. ill post some pics of it soon.

cuntukimushroom
03-20-2004, 03:51 PM
Which classic muscle car would you guys prefer to own. This is if you could choose any model of the camaro or mustang.

I would choose the mustang but just cause my dad owns one and im totally in love with it. ill post some pics of it soon.

well i would like to own the mustang GIMME GIMME GIMME

baddabang
03-20-2004, 04:05 PM
I would take a 69 camaro ss or a 68 rally sport

NAZCA C2
03-20-2004, 05:54 PM
I would have to take a Camaro Z28 (i think they were made in 69) with the 5-liter aluminum V8.

bk4uyeah
03-20-2004, 06:38 PM
i would take a Yenko over a Shelby GT500, but i would go with a regular mustang over a camaro

fpv_gtho
03-20-2004, 11:57 PM
why dont you just make it any classic pony car so people can chose the hemi cuda

Falcon500
03-21-2004, 01:56 AM
Well thats a good idea fpv and itll invite others like NoOne to post what they really wanna say other then ill take car X....
I personally would take the mustang my prefernce of the lot probly would have to be a 69 mach 1 with a big block and a top loader but i wouldent be to fussed about getting any v8 example.

fpv_gtho
03-21-2004, 02:02 AM
well my absolute choice would have to be a '66 GT350, but i'd be willing to take either a 426 Hemi Cuda, 427 Camaro, 289 66 GT350 or 68 GT500KR, theyre all brilliant examples of muscle cars from their respective manufacturers. the GT350 probably stands out from the rest of the lot there with the 289 compared to the big blocks, but i believe the 66 mustang body was a helluva lot lighter than the 68 body and the cuda and camaro so the 306hp engine wouldve given a good fight

Hansv
03-21-2004, 11:22 AM
Hi there, Wagsy;

Tough choice; since everybody seems to be craving for first-year Z-28's or Boss 302 Mustangs I would like to focus on the real world. Fact of the matter is that overhere in Holland we are not exactly spoilt with choice in this section of the carmarket. Given the chance to choose from either car I'd go for the one in the best condition, with the best engine/box combination for the nicest price. Blindfolded I would go for a Mustang....

@Nazca C2; A '69 (68 saw Z-28's as well) Z-28 with an aluminum engine block? Not from the General in OE-form....

NoOne
03-22-2004, 09:51 AM
Even if the Hemi 'Cuda were to be included, I'd be hard-pressed to pick it over a '69 ZL1 COPO Camaro ... awesome, absolutely awesome !!!

The 1969 ZL1 COPO Camaro being only 69 made with the all aluminum ZL1 427 rated at 430hp (actual output closer to 565hp), this was COPO order # 9560 as opposed to the 1969 COPO Camaro with the cast iron 427 (the L-72) rated at 425hp COPO order # 9561.

The ZL1 was dropped in favour of the L-72 due to costs and availability.

Some pictures here http://www.icehouse.net/camaros/mycopo3.htm

HemiCuda500
03-22-2004, 10:13 AM
Even if the Hemi 'Cuda were to be included, I'd be hard-pressed to pick it over a '69 ZL1 COPO Camaro ... awesome, absolutely awesome !!!

The 1969 ZL1 COPO Camaro being only 69 made with the all aluminum ZL1 427 rated at 430hp (actual output closer to 565hp), this was COPO order # 9560 as opposed to the 1969 COPO Camaro with the cast iron 427 (the L-72) rated at 425hp COPO order # 9561.

The ZL1 was dropped in favour of the L-72 due to costs and availability.

Some pictures here http://www.icehouse.net/camaros/mycopo3.htm


I see there are a few Hemicuda fans on this thread! Nice to meet a fellow fan of one of the greatest musclecars of all time! Not many people know this, but the Yenko Camaros and Chevelles weren't as fast as the Yenko Nova SS. 0-60 in 4.7 seconds! Absolutely incredible, even by today's standards! I'd still take the Hemicuda, though. I know I'm biased, but it's still my fav.

NoOne
03-22-2004, 10:30 AM
I see there are a few Hemicuda fans on this thread! Nice to meet a fellow fan of one of the greatest musclecars of all time! Not many people know this, but the Yenko Camaros and Chevelles weren't as fast as the Yenko Nova SS. 0-60 in 4.7 seconds! Absolutely incredible, even by today's standards! I'd still take the Hemicuda, though. I know I'm biased, but it's still my fav.
I'm a Moparhead, having owned several Chargers, a Duster, 2 Roadrunners and a variety of "beater" Chryslers (Cordobas,Volares and a 5th ave.) I have never been a big fan of the Chryco E-bodies ('Cuda and Challenger) being more into the "B" family (Chargers, Coronets, etc).

I'll give you the Yenko Nova SS over the Yenko Camaros and Chevelles ... but not over the ZL1 COPO Camaro ... just too awesome, as much as I hate to admit it, it is more than a match for any factory Hemi car ...'cept the '68 Hemi Dart. :cool:

GT500
03-22-2004, 06:12 PM
does the GT500 count? :D

MrVette83
03-22-2004, 06:15 PM
69' Camaro ZL-1. All aluminum 427 V-8 in a no options completely stock looking Camaro. Unfortunately only 69 were made.

mechanixfetch
03-22-2004, 09:24 PM
didn't the COPO Camaro run 10.4 second 1/4 miles off the floor? The COPO Camaro was I believe also created without the consent of knowledge of the top Brass and was created in the experimental car plant. I also read that they came with special headers in the trunk just incase the buyer didn't realise he was getting a race car that was sneaked onto the street.

crisis
03-22-2004, 10:59 PM
The 1969 ZL1 COPO Camaro being only 69 made with the all aluminum ZL1 427 rated at 430hp (actual output closer to 565hp), this was COPO order # 9560 as opposed to the 1969 COPO Camaro with the cast iron 427 (the L-72) rated at 425hp COPO order # 9561.

The ZL1 was dropped in favour of the L-72 due to costs and availability.

Some pictures here http://www.icehouse.net/camaros/mycopo3.htm
Hadnt heard of that little gem. Im with you . You know your shit!

rikikin
03-24-2004, 04:13 AM
Well i dont really like american muscel cars but i would chose an mustang if i had to

NoOne
03-24-2004, 09:23 AM
didn't the COPO Camaro run 10.4 second 1/4 miles off the floor? The COPO Camaro was I believe also created without the consent of knowledge of the top Brass and was created in the experimental car plant. I also read that they came with special headers in the trunk just incase the buyer didn't realise he was getting a race car that was sneaked onto the street.
I've heard that the ZL1 was a 10 second car ... as soon as you put the drag slicks on it.

Different sites have slightly varying stories on how it was produced without specific consent of upper management, I've seen it said that it was known about but management turned a blind eye, that the cars were assembled after hours and the most likely story was that it was going to head the factory race team.

As the link I supplied states, 50 cars were ordered, supposedly all going to racers and not for street use, but when word spread among the dealers a total of 69 were made before going to the much cheaper and tamer (figure of speach) L72 (cast iron) engine.

I believe the headers were installed on the engine, there would be no mistaking this as a race car, the cost of the car itself carried a $4100 premium for the engine package, $7300 in 1969 was a lot for a car, especially when across the road at the Chrysler dealership you could get a serious street/race car in the $4500 Hemi Dart. Serious as in they pulled all the stops and created a devastating car that the prospective owner had to sign a disclaimer for. A really great article on this car HERE (http://cars.dozer.com/articles/hemidart/). :cool:


I sometimes feel that I was born 20 yrs too late ... not that it would matter, as I'd still be broke. :D

NoOne
03-24-2004, 09:38 AM
Hadnt heard of that little gem. Im with you . You know your shit!
Awesome car !!!

1 part memory + 2 parts research. ;)

I knew the car existed, I remembered it was 69 cars (69 cars in 1969) and I remembered it was a 10 second (¼ mile) beast that had no cause to fear any of the street hemi cars (hemi Dart is not a street hemi car ... 600+ hp, approx 500 at the rear wheels with locomotive league torque and weighing in under 2200lbs).

I did have to research as to why there were only 69 cars made when I knew there were over a 1000 COPO camaros built (the balance were cast iron 427's), this led to the discovery of 2 different COPO order #'s and a link with great pics and even more info.

Matra et Alpine
03-24-2004, 10:10 AM
I sometimes feel that I was born 20 yrs too late
Same here, but in my case it's tuned Imps, Escort Mexicos, Chevette 2300HSs and A110s and the ubiquitous Mini :)

Cheap(ish) cars in their days and rally-prepped ones with MSA papers are holding crazy prices today :(

drakkie
04-04-2004, 03:22 AM
BOTH





flying without wings

kko
04-09-2004, 08:45 PM
Id take a COPO or Yenko camaro,
but really i'd want (as u'd know if u read a number of my post) The COPO all aluminum 427 lz1 (pretty much the same settup as the camaro)..........CORVETTE, sry but the 67 is just too beutiful

Ferrari Tifosi
04-10-2004, 07:22 PM
Between the Camaro and the Mustang, I perfer the Camaro, especially a '69 Camaro ZL1. As far as any pony car, definitely a Hemi Cuda is my favorite.

LomaZ28
04-11-2004, 12:53 PM
Personally I would Take the mustang...... I kinda already have 3 Camaros...... Not to mention a partial ownership of 6 1970 chevelles that my best friends Dad owns. :D (showing off) ;)

speedyone
04-28-2004, 11:52 AM
MUSTANG- a great old sports car, brilliant handling, quick acceleration, nice models and plenty of power.(little on the heavy side)
The new 2004 mustang is a brilliant recreation of the old mustang, and is also a brilliant car.

colinmarshall
04-29-2004, 10:06 PM
Oy! Yikes.

NoOne
04-30-2004, 11:18 AM
MUSTANG- a great old sports car, brilliant handling, quick acceleration, nice models and plenty of power.(little on the heavy side)


Heavy? Well maybe compared to many Euro and Japanese cars of the time, but definitely not for North American musclecars:
1964 Mustang with a small block V8...(2850 lbs)
1969 Mustang with a small block V8...(3100 lbs)
1969 Mustang with a big block V8.....(3300 lbs)
1969 Camaro with a small block V8....(3200 lbs)
1969 Camaro with a big block V8.......(3450 lbs)
1970 'Cuda with a small block V8.......(3400 lbs)
1970 'Cuda with a big block V8..........(3600 lbs add another 60-80 lbs for Hemi)
(weights rounded to the nearest 50 lb)

Mustangs performed well because they were lighter than their immediate competition, which is just as well because aside from the BOSS 302's 302 cid small block and the Shelby GT350's 289 cid small block, Ford engines were really poorly designed for real performance, having too large ports in the heads to breathe properly (in regards to port velocity not port volume), and not enough cam to compensate. Classic examples are the 351 Cleveland, 390,428 and 429, I left out mention of the 427 SOHC(also known as the cammer) as it was not really a passenger car engine, more of a race engine that found its way into more Galaxies than Ford would like to admit. ;)

Falcon500
05-02-2004, 05:38 AM
Your right about the cammer enguine...fairlane where popular with them too :)....the majority became drag ledgend in thier own rights and where bought stripped out and even had fibreglass pannels and stuff...butnow that off subject.....
The mustangs where about a similar weight to our Falcons over here about 1400 kilos...the thing that bugs me the most about most yank cars is far too many are automotaic...so hard to find a stock manualone...damn lazy nation they are... ;)

johnnynumfiv
05-02-2004, 07:10 AM
It's not that we're lazy, we just have so many stupid people in our country.

Scott
05-12-2004, 12:27 PM
I would take a 1969 z/28 Camaro over any ford anyday, my dad use to have a 69 z/28 with a 383 stroker motor in it. It had 505 HP and like 590 ft pound torque. It was red with black stripes.

thetruelogger
05-17-2004, 10:41 PM
Mustang.............simply because I own one. Yough decision. I would take a 71' hemi cuda over all of them

john0877
05-20-2004, 02:48 PM
my choice for mustang would have to be a GT500 nothing else. definately nothing newer than a 73 EXCEPT for an 84-86 SVO those were pretty cool

However i think i would have to pick a 70-73 Camaro (SS) over any mustang cause i just love that body style so much even over the original 67-69 camaros.

Although itd be a REAL tough decision between the 70-73 Camaro and a 71 HemiCuda. it'd HAVE to be a 71 to be considered even cause that grill is cool and the round taillights just looks bad on that bodystyle.

Guibo
05-22-2004, 01:16 AM
Mustang. Particularly the GT350.

NoOne
05-26-2004, 08:39 AM
my choice for mustang would have to be a GT500 nothing else. definately nothing newer than a 73 EXCEPT for an 84-86 SVO those were pretty cool

I'm curious as to why you would choose the GT500 over the GT350, the 350 would eat the 500 alive ... better acceleration, top speed, braking and handling.

...and the SVO's looked ugly, cost more and performed slightly worse than a same year GT. I realize that people have favourites based on nothing but personal aesthetics ... not saying this is the case with you, but I cannot believe you choose an SVO over something like a Cobra R. :confused:

mawi427
06-03-2004, 02:49 PM
1968 BRG Mustang (i.e. the one from the movie bullet) man steve mcqueen was a lucky bitch... :cool:

HemiCuda500
06-04-2004, 01:27 AM
A 67 z28 would be nice. Does anybody know the specs on the little-known chevy 302?

NoOne
06-04-2004, 07:21 PM
Awesome engine !!

I did some searching and instead of copying all this info to here I'll just link it HERE (http://www.holisticpage.com/camaro/camaros/302.htm)

67cougar
06-15-2004, 09:03 PM
the 440 was a great engine but far from best i like fords but the best engines came from mopar. the 426 hemi was the best by far and the only other real competitors were 427s in the vetts becuase they are so light and the super 429 cobra jet and the 428 cobra jet and that came out of a mustang. the best camaro ever made was not the yenkos but the 427 copo camaro (central office production order) it was a plane looking camaro with the 425 hp 427 yenko engine

digitalcraft
06-18-2004, 12:00 AM
Mustang 429 BOSS.

TheOne
06-18-2004, 12:23 AM
i'd take a 69 yenko or the old mach 1(forgot which year it first came). or the shelby GT500.

gottaluv69zL1
07-26-2004, 01:31 PM
DEFINATELY no question about it. a 1969 zL1 camaro

johnnynumfiv
07-26-2004, 03:01 PM
dude, this thread ended abuot a month ago.

NoOne
07-26-2004, 05:41 PM
dude, this thread ended abuot a month ago.
As these cars have been rivals since 1967, I don't think this thtread should be labelled dead after just a month. :)


DEFINATELY no question about it. a 1969 zL1 camaro Helluva car .... awesome power, limited production, but for me the most appealing thing about it is the "backdoor" politics that allowed it to happen. :cool:

BTW: Welcome to the UCP forums. :)

crisis
07-26-2004, 11:24 PM
dude, this thread ended abuot a month ago.
I dont understand why people get all hot about old threads. To new members they are not old. If your sick of them dont read it.

F1_Master
07-27-2004, 01:00 AM
A '69 Camaro. God I loved the design on those models. Very beautiful and powerful cars. Unfornately, the Mustang lives on, while the Camaro has been put to rest in the great car dealer in the sky.

Grimezzz
09-06-2004, 11:36 AM
Anyone in their right mind would take ANY Camaro over ANY Mustang. Not only is the Yenko (for example) much more powerful than the Mustang, it also looks sweeter and isn't so god damned overrated, and over populated. Don't you guys ever getting tired of seeing every single model of the Mustang all the time?