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TVR IS KING
08-09-2006, 05:30 PM
THE State Government will double its liquefied petroleum gas subsidy for motorists converting family cars to gas in the wake of crippling fuel prices.
Premier Alan Carpenter said the Government would provide $1000 towards each LPG conversion for at least the next four years, following a review of the six-year-old scheme that until now has provided a $500 subsidy.
Mr Carpenter said many WA motorists were paying more than $100 a week for petrol.
``This subsidy will allow motorists to at least consider (converting their cars to gas) because there are no signs the price for petrol will come tumbling down,'' he said.
``The potential savings of using LPG are becoming bigger and bigger.
``A major issue in our economy is the price of petrol.
``We have an alternative (fuel) in LPG from our own gas reserves.
``We have abundant volumes of gas here in WA and we'd be crazy not to use it.''''
LPG is substantially cheaper than petrol and produces 20 per cent less greenhouse gases.
Under the subsidy scheme owners of family vehicles are eligible to receive the $1000 subsidy for either the conversion of an existing vehicle or the purchase of a new vehicle fitted with an LPG system.
Most taxis in WA run on LPG.
Mr Carpenter said the benefits of LPG to WA highlighted the need to put aside some of the state's offshore gas reserves for domestic use.
Mr Carpenter said countries like Japan, Korea, China, the US and India were lining up to buy WA gas.A lack of competition between coal and gas could see the price of electricity become two or three times dearer.
`` We have to make sure we have secure gas supplies,'' Mr Carpenter said.
``What is happening is that overseas buyers are looking at the way the gas price is going and the growth and demand of their own economies and are signing up gas volumes in long-term contracts when they become available.
``There is the prospect for WA that there will be no gas available for the domestic market because all of it is contracted for sale in the international market.
``We can't allow that scenario to happen.''
He said WA gas producers owed it to WA to look after the domestic market.
``The whole industry in WA was based on the people of this state guaranteeing to buy the gas in the first place,'' he said.
fpv_gtho
08-09-2006, 05:49 PM
To most people they'd be better off just dropping the damn tax on petrol. The average gas conversion is still around $3K so thats still leaves the majority of the installation costs to be recouped and only really helps those seriously considering gas.
2ndclasscitizen
08-09-2006, 05:53 PM
Also you have to remember that the government is going to start taxing LPG over the next couple of years, and once they do, it's probably not going to be any cheaper to run a car on LPG than petrol.
mmm_aapls
08-09-2006, 05:58 PM
Also you have to remember that the government is going to start taxing LPG over the next couple of years, and once they do, it's probably not going to be any cheaper to run a car on LPG than petrol.
That tax starts in 2009 I think. They will add 2.5c / l each year, capped at 12.5c (so for 5 years straight it will increase). it will still be cheaper than petrol.
But what I hate is those people who do save up more money to buy an SS, or a WRX in my case, there is no way I would convert to LPG. Defies the point of getting a performance car IMHO.
fpv_gtho
08-09-2006, 06:04 PM
With the right sort of injection system you can get the same performance from LPG though, same as you should be able to get more performance out of ethanol than petrol supposedly.
2ndclasscitizen
08-09-2006, 06:20 PM
With the right sort of injection system you can get the same performance from LPG though, same as you should be able to get more performance out of ethanol than petrol supposedly.
Ethanol fuel usually has the same RON as performance fuel so that's where the added performance comes from, being able to advance the timing
acemotorsport
08-09-2006, 08:45 PM
stupid government they take a lot of money of us why cant me have a government like in Saudi Arabia where they have no taxes on anything
TVR IS KING
08-09-2006, 08:59 PM
Taxes pay for things we need...
Hospitals for example? Everything with government funding is taxes!
acemotorsport
08-09-2006, 09:09 PM
well how do they pay for stuff like that in saudi arabia
2ndclasscitizen
08-09-2006, 09:38 PM
Taxes pay for things we need...
Hospitals for example? Everything with government funding is taxes!
No? Really?
TVR IS KING
08-09-2006, 09:57 PM
^^ I didn't deserve that!
well how do they pay for stuff like that in saudi arabia
I don't know! You posted it. :)
well how do they pay for stuff like that in saudi arabia
oil I think
HSVLVR
08-09-2006, 10:51 PM
THE State Government will double its liquefied petroleum gas subsidy for motorists converting family cars to gas in the wake of crippling fuel prices.
Premier Alan Carpenter said the Government would provide $1000 towards each LPG conversion for at least the next four years, following a review of the six-year-old scheme that until now has provided a $500 subsidy.
Mr Carpenter said many WA motorists were paying more than $100 a week for petrol.
``This subsidy will allow motorists to at least consider (converting their cars to gas) because there are no signs the price for petrol will come tumbling down,'' he said.
``The potential savings of using LPG are becoming bigger and bigger.
``A major issue in our economy is the price of petrol.
``We have an alternative (fuel) in LPG from our own gas reserves.
``We have abundant volumes of gas here in WA and we'd be crazy not to use it.''''
LPG is substantially cheaper than petrol and produces 20 per cent less greenhouse gases.
Under the subsidy scheme owners of family vehicles are eligible to receive the $1000 subsidy for either the conversion of an existing vehicle or the purchase of a new vehicle fitted with an LPG system.
Most taxis in WA run on LPG.
Mr Carpenter said the benefits of LPG to WA highlighted the need to put aside some of the state's offshore gas reserves for domestic use.
Mr Carpenter said countries like Japan, Korea, China, the US and India were lining up to buy WA gas.A lack of competition between coal and gas could see the price of electricity become two or three times dearer.
`` We have to make sure we have secure gas supplies,'' Mr Carpenter said.
``What is happening is that overseas buyers are looking at the way the gas price is going and the growth and demand of their own economies and are signing up gas volumes in long-term contracts when they become available.
``There is the prospect for WA that there will be no gas available for the domestic market because all of it is contracted for sale in the international market.
``We can't allow that scenario to happen.''
He said WA gas producers owed it to WA to look after the domestic market.
``The whole industry in WA was based on the people of this state guaranteeing to buy the gas in the first place,'' he said.
I know this may sound stupid but I don't like LPG. It is twice as dangerous. I'd rather get a Hybird car(although they've got no guts).
fpv_gtho
08-09-2006, 11:49 PM
Taxes pay for things we need...
Hospitals for example?
That is a bit of a question mark the way the hospitals are going unfortunately...
What ive always thought funny was if taxes are supposed to go towards services and all that sort of stuff, then why do people get so much back on their tax returns.
2ndclasscitizen
08-10-2006, 12:27 AM
What ive always thought funny was if taxes are supposed to go towards services and all that sort of stuff, then why do people get so much back on their tax returns.Your tax return is the discrepancy between how much tax you paid and how much you should have paid. So if you get a big tax return back, that means you paid more tax than you should've. Also, your tax return is when you make deductions. You don't always get money back at tax time, you can end up owing as well.
fpv_gtho
08-10-2006, 12:28 AM
Oh well..
You can tell which one here hasnt got a job :p
SlickHolden
08-10-2006, 01:36 AM
My harbour with the VR berlina is about to trade that car in. They thought about LPG but decided it's to dangerous at it's KM and it wont last to long with it.
So they are going to buy a Holden Viva.
I wouldn't gas my car ever, But i might consider it only if new, I'm a very open critic of gas cars i don't like them i feel unsafe with them hate the smell you name it i dislike it:D.
^^ I just bought a gas car :D
A mere $2300 got this very tidy one-owner Ford ED for Mrs nota. It's to replace her petrol Benz which despite its small and nominally 'economical' 2.8 litre motor is now costing us a not inconsiderable $600 a month in fuel - or $7200 per annum! :eek:
This '93 Foulcan has been on dual-fuel since new and I am confident it will more than halve her fuel bills (expecting a 'cost equivalent' to petrol of 5.6 L/100km or 50mpg) which is not bad going for a big 6cyl is it? Hopefully this car should effectively pay for itself entirely within [edit] 8 months or so
Btw anyone want our trusty old M-B 280SE as a cheapie .. only 360,000kms on the untouched motor? :o
SlickHolden
08-12-2006, 12:55 AM
Congrats and welcome back,
Best way to get Gas cars from the start:)
Shit mate that looks in top condition bloody clean;).
You could have bought my brothers mate's VN Calais 5lt for $200 burnt out engine bay:eek:
Thank you friend :)
Yeah for a gas car I think it was an ok buy and as a cheap throwdown this ED seems to have very few issues at all, very conscientiously maintained & kept. Alas not as many buttons & gizmos as her Merc but despite it being in the lowly 'four effing wheels and a seat' category I'm hoping it will deliver very inexpensive motoring overall. This is her fifth car in 5 years (if you get my drift ;) ) so its best not to overcapitalise ..
Btw for on-topic I've been investigating an LPG system for my old V8 Benz. Although not overly thirsty it now requires $100 of petrol to fill, which is ridiculous and things are only going to get worse. Most converters are booked out three months in advance but mine's a bit tricky anyway as it has mechanical-injection, not EFI. However it is still practical and realistic to convert; for example: http://www.thecockatoo.com/Benz/index.html
One interesting site for M-Benz and LPG is this guy (links below) who seems right into oddball experimentations. Would you believe ..
(a) Mercedes 600 Grosser (yes a W100!) with sequential twin-turbo 6.9 V8 for 600hp
(b) M-B SL Sports (W107) fitted with a four-rotor wankel
And these ..
"VW-Ute Syncro (4WD) fitted with a 13B sequentialy-staged triple-turbo Rotary (Wankel) powered by LPG and Natural-gas (Erdgas-Methan) Inter-cooled and water-injection. 4-WD drive train will be converted to a Porsche 4WD-Tiptronic. About 350 HP and 1000Nm are expected. -4WD Suspension fitted (not the drive train yet)"
http://www.big-toys.net/detail.cgi180.htm
Turbo-rotary tiptruck on LPG (click on pic for burnout photo) :D http://www.big-toys.net/detail.cgi128.htm
Quite a few intruiging things to be found on that site under "Projects" and "Other Conversions" etc :cool:
sweethe
10-08-2008, 02:58 AM
I know this may sound stupid but I don't like LPG. It is twice as dangerous. I'd rather get a Hybird car(although they've got no guts).
I wouldn't mind having one of those, actually.
I'm excitedly waiting all the changes in technology and availability of vehicles in the near future!!!:rolleyes:
Blue Supra
10-08-2008, 04:49 AM
LPG hybrid from Hyundai sounds the biz to me.