Z06 vs modded F430

[rev440]

For those who say the F430 is faster check this out. The vette started at 2k rpm in second.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4422552883516340071

[m5child]

Badass... take it to lingenfelter and he'll supe that Z06 up even more... it'll be spanking Enzos in no time!

[Niko_Fx]

Love the sound of the engine :)

Where does it say that the F430 was modified?

500hp/485lbs tq vs 483hp/343lbs tq. The Vette even weighs less... Dump all that power into the F430 and it would do wonders. I hate to admit it sometimes, but Ferrari is simply amazing.

[The_Canuck]

Love the sound of the engine :)

Where does it say that the F430 was modified?

500hp/485lbs tq vs 483hp/343lbs tq. The Vette even weighs less... Dump all that power into the F430 and it would do wonders. I hate to admit it sometimes, but Ferrari is simply amazing.
but utterly uncool :D lol I think when people say the F430 is faster i think they're talking about racing...

[rev440]

but utterly uncool :D lol I think when people say the F430 is faster i think they're talking about racing...

That is racing of sort. The F430 isnt faster around a track either.

[F1_Master]

I didn't see it mention it was modified.

And rev, I think you're just trying to spark another Z06 vs. F430 debate.

[The_Canuck]

That is racing of sort. The F430 isnt faster around a track either.

Yes it is, Road and Track(guests of quatrroruote at the time) did a comparo between a few cars including the F430 and Zo6, they did it on a test facility/track owned by the publishing company of previously mentioned magazine.

Lap times:
F430:1,17
Zo6: 1,19
(gallardo was also faster then ZO6)

0-100-0 times
F430: 12.5
ZO6: 13.1
(Gallardo and Ford GT also faster then ZO6)

Top Speed
F430: 195.9
ZO6: 197

The F430 also pulled more Gs around the corners, was faster at deaccelarating, and had a higher speed at the Start finish, Highspeed section and low speed s turn by 3-6 MPH....

[The_Canuck]

Oh also, F430 is faster in 0-60 0-100 and 1/4 mile...

[clutch-monkey]

Oh also, F430 is faster in 0-60 0-100 and 1/4 mile...
except it isn't, i thought?

[The_Canuck]

except it isn't, i thought?
My info is from Road and Track who tested both cars and as far as i know are less biased then Ferrari or Chevy.

Here are the times... 0-60 for F430 3.8, ZO6 4.1
0-100 F430 8.3, ZO6 8.9
1/4 mile F430 11.9, ZO6 12.2

Although the Zo6 was 4ft better in 60-0 braking. But then it was 6ft worse in 80-0.
But to the ZO6s credit it was .1 MPH faster in the slalom.

[rev440]

My info is from Road and Track who tested both cars and as far as i know are less biased then Ferrari or Chevy.

Here are the times... 0-60 for F430 3.8, ZO6 4.1
0-100 F430 8.3, ZO6 8.9
1/4 mile F430 11.9, ZO6 12.2

Although the Zo6 was 4ft better in 60-0 braking. But then it was 6ft worse in 80-0.
But to the ZO6s credit it was .1 MPH faster in the slalom.

Road and Track is a joke. Motortrend got the car into the 11's and the fastest time for an all stock C6Z is an 11.3 driven by ranger of corvette forums. There were C5 Z06 running 3.9's in the 0-60 and the C6Z is tested to 0-60 in 3.7 seconds.

I find it very odd that one magazine had the F430 ahead by 2 seconds and the other had the C6Z faster by 3 seconds as the car never gained any time in the turns on the Z.

[The_Canuck]

Road and Track is a joke. Motortrend got the car into the 11's and the fastest time for an all stock C6Z is an 11.3 driven by ranger of corvette forums. There were C5 Z06 running 3.9's in the 0-60 and the C6Z is tested to 0-60 in 3.7 seconds.

I find it very odd that one magazine had the F430 ahead by 2 seconds and the other had the C6Z faster by 3 seconds as the car never gained any time in the turns on the Z.
Who did all this testing?

[rev440]

Who did all this testing?

Motor trend did the testing and Ranger is a private owner of a Z. Car and driver has the Ferrari at 12.5 at 116 and the Vette is 11.7 at 123. Your numbers dont even make sense why would a lighter car with more torque and horsepower get beat from 0-60 and the 1/4. The Z06 traps around 124-126 on average.

[clutch-monkey]

Your numbers dont even make sense why would a lighter car with more torque and horsepower get beat from 0-60 and the 1/4.
pretty much what i was thinking...

[Rockefella]

Motor trend did the testing and Ranger is a private owner of a Z. Car and driver has the Ferrari at 12.5 at 116 and the Vette is 11.7 at 123. Your numbers dont even make sense why would a lighter car with more torque and horsepower get beat from 0-60 and the 1/4. The Z06 traps around 124-126 on average.
Or perhaps you only believe the numbers that you want to believe. You and slicks should get married.

[The_Canuck]

pretty much what i was thinking...
GEARING! :D

[gtface]

Car and driver got a 0-60 time of 3.4 seconds for the Z06 in one of their tests. I believe the quickest they have gotten out of the f430 was 3.8. Before anyone jumps down my throat I don't know if C & D modifies the cars at all (put different tires on them, tweak the suspension, etc) but I would assume that if they do this to one car they are going to do it to all of them (I don't tend to believe the conspiracies about magazines trying t rig the competition. I think more likely the discrepencies in times between magazines comes form the drivers they are using. I am not an expert on this but I would think that a driver who is used to peaky, high-rev, low displacement engines might not do so well with the vette, and vice versa.

[2ndclasscitizen]

Do the different magazines use different methods for testing accleration? A beam-timed strip run will give a faster time than a GPS timed run

[Rockefella]

Car and driver got a 0-60 time of 3.4 seconds for the Z06
Eh?!? That's like Enzo territory! Doubt it. :)

[furious_fiero]

You guys should specify the difference between a C5 Z06 and C6 Z06. Their performance times are completely different. C6 Z06 will smoke the F430 in almost everything.

[gtface]

Eh?!? That's like Enzo territory! Doubt it. :)
Really?

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/11103/2006-chevrolet-corvette-z06.html

[rev440]

Or perhaps you only believe the numbers that you want to believe. You and slicks should get married.

So your saying that a car that has more horsepower and less weight not to mention almost 200lb feet more of torque is gonna get out accerlated by a heavier less powered Ferrari? How cant you belive that the Z is faster?

[kigango123]

seriously doubt that z06 got 3.4 sec from 0-60, i guesss it is proven though, however doubt that applies to a circuit, if it is as loose as when i rode it last, it will be beaten by a mile by an rx-8 let alone a f430

[The_Canuck]

You guys should specify the difference between a C5 Z06 and C6 Z06. Their performance times are completely different. C6 Z06 will smoke the F430 in almost everything.
My info was on the C6...

[rev440]

My info was on the C6...

It was also proven wrong by both car and driver and motor trend. Your 0-60 time and 1/4 were basically for a base C6.

[Rockefella]

So your saying that a car that has more horsepower and less weight not to mention almost 200lb feet more of torque is gonna get out accerlated by a heavier less powered Ferrari? How cant you belive that the Z is faster?
I'm not doubting the Z's capabilities.. it's a great car.

I'm only questioning your disregard of sources because you don't like the numbers.

Also, not sure if it's been mentioned but differences in F430 times may have to do with the absence of the 'Mannetino' or, Launch Control on U.S. models. The acceleration figures of the F430 are about a couple tenths better when launch control is engaged.

["Clevor" Angel]

Fairly certain this wont help at all but wait until around 9:28 for the exact phrase, "It's quicker than a Ferrari 430!".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD08MqXOv0c

[gtface]

Fairly certain this wont help at all but wait until around 9:28 for the exact phrase, "It's quicker than a Ferrari 430!".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD08MqXOv0c
The c6 z06 did post a faster lap around the top gear track than the f430, and since top gear is the ultimate authority on everything...

[F1_Master]

Really?

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/11103/2006-chevrolet-corvette-z06.html
They don't do an honest 0-60 run, they have a little trick they like to use when comparing.

["Clevor" Angel]

The c6 z06 did post a faster lap around the top gear track than the f430, and since top gear is the ultimate authority on everything...

They are reliable when it comes to lap times. The cars were both raced by the same guy on the same course after warm up laps on the same dry track, its as close as we're going to come as far as an even test of lap times.

[F1_Master]

Fairly certain this wont help at all but wait until around 9:28 for the exact phrase, "It's quicker than a Ferrari 430!".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD08MqXOv0c
Oh yes, because Top Gear is the god when it comes to comparing, espcially when they like to do plane vs. car comparisons as well.:rolleyes:

[F1_Master]

So your saying that a car that has more horsepower and less weight not to mention almost 200lb feet more of torque is gonna get out accerlated by a heavier less powered Ferrari? How cant you belive that the Z is faster?
Maybe in a straightline, but not always on a track.

Road & Track got a Ferrari 2 seconds faster on their track.
AutoSport got the Corvette 1 second faster at Hockenheim Short.

The cars are equal on the track meaning any and all, "Z06 will win everytime" comments are untrue.

[clutch-monkey]

seriously doubt that z06 got 3.4 sec from 0-60, i guesss it is proven though, however doubt that applies to a circuit, if it is as loose as when i rode it last, it will be beaten by a mile by an rx-8 let alone a f430
why do you still post?

[werty]

it depends on the driver in a straight line and on a curvy course

watch this stock Z06 with a amazing driver, it even has stock tires

11.01 quarter mile:eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttO4gIlyq6E

[mehrshadvr4]

i can smoke F430 with my car































with race gas.LOL:D

[mehrshadvr4]

it depends on the driver in a straight line and on a curvy course

watch this stock Z06 with a amazing driver, it even has stock tires

11.01 quarter mile:eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttO4gIlyq6E


it dosn't looks like stock tires.redials can shave 0.5 secend

[gtface]

They don't do an honest 0-60 run, they have a little trick they like to use when comparing.
What's that?

[gtface]

They are reliable when it comes to lap times. The cars were both raced by the same guy on the same course after warm up laps on the same dry track, its as close as we're going to come as far as an even test of lap times.
I'm not arguing with the lap times, but some people assume that everything Jeremy Clarkson or the other Top Gear guys say is right and pure genious. I think the show is very entertaining and there is a little of good infromation there as well, but I don't blindly follow their every word. But I don't think Clarkson had any incentive to try to make the vette look better than the ferrari. He hates corvettes after all.

[2ndclasscitizen]

So your saying that a car that has more horsepower and less weight not to mention almost 200lb feet more of torque is gonna get out accerlated by a heavier less powered Ferrari? How cant you belive that the Z is faster?Easy, because the 430 has an F1 gearbox with launch control, and traction control, MR engine placement for better weight balance and traction, it doesn't have moonshot gearing and is less likely to overpower it's tyres, and if it does, it won't be as bad.

[gtface]

Easy, because the 430 has an F1 gearbox with launch control, and traction control, MR engine placement for better weight balance and traction, it doesn't have moonshot gearing and is less likely to overpower it's tyres, and if it does, it won't be as bad.
The speed of the gear changes really has no effect on the 0-60 time of the vette as 60 can be reached in first gear.

[F1_Master]

What's that?
Well, I have to do a lot of web searching, but I believe it was an owner of some vehicle they tested who ket out how Motor Trend does their 0-60s.

[2ndclasscitizen]

The speed of the gear changes really has no effect on the 0-60 time of the vette as 60 can be reached in first gear.That just proves one of my other points, the moonshot gearing

[rev440]

I'm not doubting the Z's capabilities.. it's a great car.

I'm only questioning your disregard of sources because you don't like the numbers.

Also, not sure if it's been mentioned but differences in F430 times may have to do with the absence of the 'Mannetino' or, Launch Control on U.S. models. The acceleration figures of the F430 are about a couple tenths better when launch control is engaged.

For car and driver the cars were tested in Europe...


Easy, because the 430 has an F1 gearbox with launch control, and traction control, MR engine placement for better weight balance and traction, it doesn't have moonshot gearing and is less likely to overpower it's tyres, and if it does, it won't be as bad.

Im pretty sure the Z also has traction control. The gearbox doesnt matter the vette reaches 60 in first. The vettes trans is mounted in the back if im not mistaken causing for pretty dam good weight distrubution.

[gtface]

Yes the z06 has traction control and near 50/50 weight distribution (I think it's 51/49). It doesn't have launch control but if you learn how to properly launch the car that shouldn't be a problem (although I wouldn't mind having launch control).

[gtface]

Well, I have to do a lot of web searching, but I believe it was an owner of some vehicle they tested who ket out how Motor Trend does their 0-60s.
The time I posted was from Car and Driver. If they do have any "special tricks" that they do to get better 0-60 times, I would assume that they would use them on all of the cars they tested. I really don't think they are trying to stack the cards against the ferrari.

["Clevor" Angel]

I'm not arguing with the lap times, but some people assume that everything Jeremy Clarkson or the other Top Gear guys say is right and pure genious. I think the show is very entertaining and there is a little of good infromation there as well, but I don't blindly follow their every word.

Never said they were always right.:D

[gtface]

Never said they were always right.:D
I wasn't trying to imply that you said that, I was just trying to clear up what I said earlier.

[Mr.Tiv]

Doesn't the Z06 have a faster 0-60 time than the F430, but the same 0-100? I think it is (Z06) 0-60 in 3.6 and 0-100 in 8.3.

["Clevor" Angel]

I wasn't trying to imply that you said that, I was just trying to clear up what I said earlier.

gotcha:)