View Full Version : Chop Comp Week #9
SupraMan22
01-23-2007, 06:58 PM
This weeks winner is Kooper! congrats man. Its your pick this time. :) All entries will be due monday 12am EST.
The_Canuck
01-23-2007, 07:49 PM
This weeks winner is Kooper! congrats man. Its your pick this time. :) All entries will be due monday 12am EST.
I hardly think that is fair, :p
Kooper
01-23-2007, 08:01 PM
Thanks! :D
Has this one been done yet?
SupraMan22
01-23-2007, 09:16 PM
i dont believe so. looks fun :) i should have enough time to do this one this week. less is going on
Smithy
01-23-2007, 09:16 PM
not on UCP...
edit: dang you beat me.. :P
MRDETROITMETAL
01-23-2007, 09:23 PM
OK....looks good.
X-Raited
01-24-2007, 02:47 PM
Awsome!! Good Choice.. Workin on it Now.. ;)
Cant w8 to see Mrdetroitmetals Wreck... =p
SupraMan22
01-24-2007, 07:36 PM
im deffinatly doin this one. im going in a totally different direction than i usually would though. Hopefully it turns out good. :o
85RX7
01-25-2007, 12:02 PM
I didnt do to much... red/gold pearl paint with black top 1/2 and front airdam. I brushed the entire side coz it was all pixelated and crap... looks smooooth :)
Oh and i added the tags.... not so sure why :p
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228310&d=1169751845
X-Raited
01-25-2007, 12:56 PM
nice man.. i love the Grafitti... :)
Kooper
01-25-2007, 02:15 PM
So far...
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/KooperUCP/Porsche_Carrera_GT_LM_800-600.jpg
X-Raited
01-25-2007, 02:56 PM
HolY CraP
Kooper
01-25-2007, 03:15 PM
HolY CraP
Er... thanks! :D
Smithy
01-25-2007, 04:23 PM
mm, you swiped that off of the Gemballa. That's what i was doing :P
Kooper
01-25-2007, 04:29 PM
mm, you swiped that off of the Gemballa. That's what i was doing :P
The roof scoop? Yep, well spotted there. ;)
MRDETROITMETAL
01-25-2007, 05:17 PM
Awsome!! Good Choice.. Workin on it Now.. ;)
Cant w8 to see Mrdetroitmetals Wreck... =p
OK, ....its a wreck that happend long ago,....;)
But hardly finished tho at this point;
Kooper
01-25-2007, 06:28 PM
This should be the final version, might do a bit more though not sure.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/KooperUCP/Kooper_Porsche_CGT_LM.jpg
Rockefella
01-25-2007, 06:51 PM
The Mobil1 and Michelin vinyls need some work, and raise the opacity on the Martini ad a bit. The Porsche writing on the wing could be a bit 'bolder' and sharper, and I'd change the style of the number '34', it looks a bit odd.
Besides those little areas above, the chop is sexcellent, I love it.
Kooper
01-25-2007, 06:57 PM
The Mobil1 and Michelin vinyls need some work, and raise the opacity on the Martini ad a bit. The Porsche writing on the wing could be a bit 'bolder' and sharper, and I'd change the style of the number '34', it looks a bit odd.
Besides those little areas above, the chop is sexcellent, I love it.
Thanks for the feedback Rocke, appreciate it. :)
Yep, I have to get the vinyls technique up to scratch, at the moment I'm struggling with it a bit. What I particularly find hard is taking a bitmap and curling it if that's the right word. Basically skewing it and curving it, not too sure how to do it with either the Gimp or Photoshop.
I'll try to do some tweaking and get the updated pic up here soon.
Cheers
Smithy
01-25-2007, 07:43 PM
here's what I have. It might be a final, not sure...
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228337&d=1169779358
high-res attached as well...
Kooper
01-25-2007, 08:08 PM
It looks good Smithy. :)
X-Raited
01-26-2007, 02:06 PM
Beautifull... :)
#1 Mustang Fan
01-26-2007, 02:37 PM
All nice, except MDMs(Though thats not quite finished apparently).
MRDETROITMETAL
01-26-2007, 04:02 PM
All nice, except MDMs(Though thats not quite finished apparently).
yeah, they all look good ....mine will be ready later tonite I think.:)
smitty ...tha nice a bit dark and ya prb should take out the reflections from the old BG, I know I'm having to do that too and it's a PITA to do. Like the Race car pic ...I'd add a real number on it tho as said & why is Porsche backwards ???...they ALL look real nice tho IMO.
Smithy
01-26-2007, 09:12 PM
smitty ...tha nice a bit dark and ya prb should take out the reflections from the old BG, I know I'm having to do that too and it's a PITA to do.
haha, i'm not really wanting to touch the reflections. They aren't all that noticeable. It's not worth the time for a 45 minute chop. ;)
Gtek-i
01-26-2007, 10:35 PM
Here's mine...still experimenting with the Gimp:D
MRDETROITMETAL
01-26-2007, 11:13 PM
OK heres mine. Now obviously I went an entirely different direction than the rest of you here (so far), so what else is new ?
So because I redesigned the Entire car, by rebrushing every centimeter of it one way or another, I took extra time to bring back as much of the original sharpness as I could given the time to do this in, and I dont think I can get it much better than this now anyway.
I just hope you all may appreciate the time put into this to bring it up to competitiveness here in the face of your photorealist chops. I included a seperate 800 pix of just the car, if you prefer to use that one for the poll, to me it is more complete with the entire picture, but thats just for my purposes, you may choose to post the single car picture if you want.
THX.
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/678/carreararay800je3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Kooper
01-27-2007, 03:16 AM
yeah, they all look good ....mine will be ready later tonite I think.:)
smitty ...tha nice a bit dark and ya prb should take out the reflections from the old BG, I know I'm having to do that too and it's a PITA to do. Like the Race car pic ...I'd add a real number on it tho as said & why is Porsche backwards ???...they ALL look real nice tho IMO.
Hehe, yeah, the Porsche name is backwards as I took it from another Porsche and had to flip it horizontally. I was kind of hoping no one would notice... oh well.
And your chop, let me be the first to say that I think it looks pretty darn nice! Good work! :D
Mr. Jinx
01-27-2007, 04:05 AM
Yeah, its pretty darn cool.
Ditch the lighting effects though.
Mr.Tiv
01-27-2007, 11:23 AM
OK heres mine. Now obviously I went an entirely different direction than the rest of you here (so far), so what else is new ?
So because I redesigned the Entire car, by rebrushing every centimeter of it one way or another, I took extra time to bring back as much of the original sharpness as I could given the time to do this in, and I dont think I can get it much better than this now anyway.
I just hope you all may appreciate the time put into this to bring it up to competitiveness here in the face of your photorealist chops. I included a seperate 800 pix of just the car, if you prefer to use that one for the poll, to me it is more complete with the entire picture, but thats just for my purposes, you may choose to post the single car picture if you want.
THX.
Forget the chop, it's just nice that you typed something properly.
MRDETROITMETAL
01-27-2007, 03:51 PM
^^^^ Lmao. Thx. It was almost as hard to do as the "chop" !!!
...& THX.
Motorace
01-27-2007, 07:29 PM
This should be the final version, might do a bit more though not sure.
LOVE the Martini stripes! - They've always been one of my favorite race car color themes since the '60's...
Nice job changing out the wheels too... but why leave the license plate?
#1 Mustang Fan
01-27-2007, 08:42 PM
OK heres mine. Now obviously I went an entirely different direction than the rest of you here (so far), so what else is new ?
So because I redesigned the Entire car, by rebrushing every centimeter of it one way or another, I took extra time to bring back as much of the original sharpness as I could given the time to do this in, and I dont think I can get it much better than this now anyway.
I just hope you all may appreciate the time put into this to bring it up to competitiveness here in the face of your photorealist chops. I included a seperate 800 pix of just the car, if you prefer to use that one for the poll, to me it is more complete with the entire picture, but thats just for my purposes, you may choose to post the single car picture if you want.
THX.
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/678/carreararay800je3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
One of your better chops. Still a bit out of it but in a good way, lol (Lighting effects are bad).
Motorace
01-28-2007, 01:03 AM
OK heres mine. Now obviously I went an entirely different direction than the rest of you here (so far), so what else is new ?
Interesting how you turned the front wheel/tire in your chop.
A lot of design elements are subjective (i.e. there's no 'right' way or 'wrong' way when it comes to many of the design elements) - so there's no point in commenting on a lot of these works; but if you're looking for honest criticism, I think you could've gone a little thinner with the portion of the roof directly above the door glass, and also have a little less bubble to the roof in general - it seems to bulge too high for my tastes.
Still, it's an amazing amount of work, and I acknowledge ALL of you who've submitted chops.
MRDETROITMETAL
01-28-2007, 02:03 AM
Interesting how you turned the front wheel/tire in your chop.
A lot of design elements are subjective (i.e. there's no 'right' way or 'wrong' way when it comes to many of the design elements) - so there's no point in commenting on a lot of these works; but if you're looking for honest criticism, I think you could've gone a little thinner with the portion of the roof directly above the door glass, and also have a little less bubble to the roof in general - it seems to bulge too high for my tastes.
Still, it's an amazing amount of work, and I acknowledge all of you who've submitted chops.
You have a good eye !..I thought about BOTH of those elements you mentioned, and went the way I did because I figured the rigidity of the roof needed a strong side support with the "bubble" top design, see in spite of these being "chops" there is still some consideration put into them towards engineering, tho I am not qualified to do that kinda work, I still do have to consider structure when redesigning a car.... & I agree too that the chops on this contest are really decent stuff !!!
Mr. Jinx
01-28-2007, 02:46 AM
For The Love Of God, Get Rid Of The Lighting Effects!!!
Motorace
01-28-2007, 04:23 AM
You have a good eye !..I thought about BOTH of those elements you mentioned, and went the way I did because I figured the rigidity of the roof needed a strong side support with the "bubble" top design, see in spite of these being "chops" there is still some consideration put into them towards engineering, tho I am not qualified to do that kinda work, I still do have to consider structure when redesigning a car....
Thanks for the compliment.
I'm an automotive engineer with a keen eye for design, and you would not be the first artist to design a car so it looks right and then tell the engineers to go figure out a way to build it that way, so do not be overly concerned with the engineering side of things. Your job as an artist is to make the car pleasing to the eye. I cannot help you with making the computer graphics or the lighting more pleasing, but I would like to offer some thoughts on design to anyone willing to take the time to read all this...
I'm not advocating a return to the excesses of cars of the 1950's - when stylists absolutely ruled everything, and the engineers had to use thick cross-braced frames and add massive reinforcing brackets to keep all that excessive bodywork from flapping in the wind.
Federal CAFE & Safety standards have reigned the stylists in, such that now the engineers get much more say in the car's styling. Designers have loose-fitting straightjackets around them now, but that is their challenge... If cars all have to be designed like 'jellybeans' to reduce the aerodynamic drag, how can the designer differentiate his/her product so it stands out from the crowd?
Alex Tremulis, the very gifted stylist and engineer (now deceased), was sitting right in front of me at a design conference in 1981. He suddenly jumped to his feet and interrupted the proceedings with his now famous outburst: "When are we going to stop the torture of innocent air?!!" He got a standing ovation, including by the heads of all the major design groups.
Within three years (the typical design cycle), American cars started showing marked aerodynamic improvements (witness the softly rounded nose of the 1984 T-birds)...
Clever engineers can embrace the challenge of finding solutions to whatever engineering problems your designs generate, because if the car isn't attractive enough to sell, then the engineers will be out of work too.
Nature still sets some limits - like the engineers will tell you they need a minimum amount of airflow to cool the engine... they cannot totally circumvent the laws of physics, but as you make cars lighter and more aerodynamic, you can get the same vehicle performance from a smaller engine, which means less cooling airflow is needed... The Lotus Elise is a great example of that (heck, ALL Lotuses exemplify this principle!)
My point is: Trust your eye for proportions and design your cars however they look best to you. Let the engineers worry about how to make the cars as beautiful as you can design them - you artists should be pushing the envelope!
I also had the good fortune to sit next to Jack Telnack on a long flight. He was the head of Ford's design department for many years (now retired). I asked him what made a good designer, and he said there are three things they need to know:
1) Proportion
2) Proportion
3) Proportion
Shapes that please the human eye are not an accident. They are pre-programmed deep in our brains, based on evolution. Without being concious of it, we just naturally know what looks healthy on another human. There are certain proportions (exemplified by the 'golden ratio'), which work well. That's why there is near universal agreement between both men and women - on the women who are considered exceptionally beautiful.
Mr. Telnack went on to tell me that one of the best ways to learn "proportion" is to become skilled at drawing the human figure. What looks attractive on the human body can be transferred into the proportions of automotive design.
For example, the front ends of cars are typically based on faces, with the headlights as the eyes, and a smile may or may not be designed into the grille, but a frown is best avoided.
Sexual proportions also enhance a car's proportions. "La Linea Pininfarina" - the coke-bottle line that gently flows along the tops of the fenders on so many beautiful Ferraris - imitates the proportions of a woman - wider at the shoulders (front fenders) and hips (rear fenders), and narrower at the waist (the doors).
One of the sexiest cars ever designed is the Jaguar C-type (1951-1953). The way that Malcolm Sayer designed the soft curve of the nose to drop gently down between the softly rounded front fenders (like a woman's belly disappears between her thighs) is so erotic it is positively indecent.
If power is to be emphasized, then muscular haunches over the rear tires of rear-wheel drive cars imitate the proportions that our leg muscles are much larger than our arms.
There also must be left/right symmetry in cars as in human faces. This is so intuitively obvious it's not even questioned. The fact that occasionally some cars break this rule with an assymetrical element (like Raymond Lowey's Avanti - with it's off-center hood bulge leading up to the driver's side of the dash) only proves the rule all the more (like a beauty mark on a beautiful woman's face).
Beautiful human proportions determine beautiful automotive designs. That's why I say "trust your eye". You already have a great sense of proportion pre-programmed into you over hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary development. Learn to trust it. (& If you're not sure about it, then take a class in drawing the human figure for every class you take in computer graphics).
MRDETROITMETAL
01-28-2007, 11:49 AM
^^^^Excellent Post.
X-Raited
01-28-2007, 12:03 PM
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p1/X-Raited/Porsche_Carrera_Gt_F1_X-Raited_F-1.jpg
this is what i came up with after some Hours..
Gtek-i
01-28-2007, 02:48 PM
Final Version:
X-Raited
01-28-2007, 03:01 PM
Why a red Tint? [O.o]
SupraMan22
01-28-2007, 04:49 PM
im wondering that too. Also why it never got resized. Oh well. I couldnt get mine anywhere close to finished this week either. Too much school and soccer. :o
cmcpokey
01-28-2007, 07:22 PM
ok, this isnt great.. did it today in a bout 2 hours. maybe less, and i was hung over. i think it finished up looking not unlike a MDM chop. not something to be proud of, but i can see how when you are not aiming for quality, it gets to be a lot easier.
hope you enjoy
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228581&stc=1&d=1170037221
SupraMan22
01-28-2007, 07:59 PM
im not entering this. just lettin everyone see what i started. i was goin a little future with this chop, just because i liked the idea and no one ever does it. far from done, i might finish it and post it later. :cool:
Kooper
01-28-2007, 10:32 PM
LOVE the Martini stripes! - They've always been one of my favorite race car color themes since the '60's...
Nice job changing out the wheels too... but why leave the license plate?
Thanks Motorace. Yep, left the license plate as removing it seemed like too much trouble to still go through for some reason :D Guess I was getting lazy!
Anywhay, here's another update, this one should be the final final one.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/KooperUCP/Kooper_Porsche_CGT_LM_3.jpg
Mr. Jinx
01-28-2007, 10:53 PM
Wow....the majority of the entries this week are bloody amazing.
Motorace
01-29-2007, 12:19 AM
Anywhay, here's another update, this one should be the final final one.
All I can say is "WOW" - Very Slick!
MRDETROITMETAL
01-29-2007, 12:43 AM
ok, this isnt great.. did it today in a bout 2 hours. maybe less, and i was hung over. i think it finished up looking not unlike a MDM chop. not something to be proud of, but i can see how when you are not aiming for quality, it gets to be a lot easier.
hope you enjoy
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228581&stc=1&d=1170037221
Pleeease. You should be so lucky. Save your comparisons for someone who gives a shit. It looks like you wasted 2 hours of your life to me. Not that mine is so much better,but at least I wasted 5 or 6 hours on mine !!!:D
SupraMan22
01-29-2007, 05:31 PM
shut your flapper
aNOBLEman
01-29-2007, 07:08 PM
I'm gonna be honest, Kooper, your chop is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! One of the best that I've ever seen.
MDM, yours is very nice looking to. Definitely the most creative of all the entries.
Kooper
01-29-2007, 10:24 PM
I'm gonna be honest, Kooper, your chop is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! One of the best that I've ever seen.
MDM, yours is very nice looking to. Definitely the most creative of all the entries.
Thanks aNOBLEman! :)