problem categorising sprtscars

[silverhawk]

i am having problems categorizing sportscars. I'm going to name them so could you tell me which cars belong in which category.

the names:
Audi R8
Alfa Romeo 8c
Corvette C6
Corvette Z06
Mercedes CL Class
Mercedes SL Class
BMW 6 Series
BMW M6
Maserati Granturismo
Dodge Viper SRT10
Jaguar XK

[Ferrer]

What you mean categorising? If they are supercars, GTs or something?

[taz_rocks_miami]

What you mean categorising? If they are supercars, GTs or something?

I was gonna ask the same thing, why are you even bothering putting them into categories Silverhawk?

[chony]

Hot:
Audi R8
Alfa Romeo 8c
Corvette C6
Corvette Z06
Maserati Granturismo
Dodge Viper SRT10
Jaguar XK

Not:
Mercedes CL Class
Mercedes SL Class
BMW 6 Series
BMW M6

[The_Canuck]

Audi R8 - High End Sports car
Alfa Romeo 8c - Super car
Corvette C6 - Sports car
Corvette Z06 - High end sports car
Mercedes CL Class - GT
Mercedes SL Class - GT
BMW 6 Series - GT
BMW M6 - GT
Maserati Granturismo - GT
Dodge Viper SRT10 - Exotic/High end sports
Jaguar XK - Sports car

....?

[Ferrer]

Audi R8 - High End Sports car
Alfa Romeo 8c - Super car
Corvette C6 - Sports car
Corvette Z06 - High end sports car
Mercedes CL Class - GT
Mercedes SL Class - GT
BMW 6 Series - GT
BMW M6 - GT
Maserati Granturismo - GT
Dodge Viper SRT10 - Exotic/High end sports
Jaguar XK - Sports car

....?
The 8C definitely isn't a supercar and the XK could be classified as a GT too.

[Quiggs]

Panty dropper:
Audi R8
Corvette Z06

Non-panty dropper:
All others.

[baddabang]

Panty dropper:
Audi R8
Corvette Z06

Non-panty dropper:
All others.

You forgot to add LS7 Solstice's and LS Miatas to the panty droppers.

Audi R8-I like the gallardo but this is way cooler, category
Alfa Romeo 8c-I kinda look like a Z06 but I really just suck at life.
Corvette C6- Can't exactly afford the bigger version, but if I slap a Z06 bade on whos going to notice category.
Corvette Z06-Panty dropper.
Mercedes CL Class-I'm boring category
Mercedes SL Class-OMFG MID LIFE CRISIS category
BMW 6 Series-Damn I wish I could afford the M6, category
BMW M6-I have a small penis category
Maserati Granturismo-Why did I spend money on this? Oh well leather seats FTW
Dodge Viper SRT10-Why cant I beat these Z06's? category.
Jaguar XK-I'm a Brit with a small penis.

[Ingolstadt]

i am having problems categorizing sportscars. I'm going to name them so could you tell me which cars belong in which category.

the names:
Audi R8 - Supercar
Alfa Romeo 8c - Sportscar
Corvette C6 - Supercar
Corvette Z06 - Are you stupid?
Mercedes CL Class - Gran Tourer
Mercedes SL Class - Sportscar
BMW 6 Series - Gran Tourer
BMW M6 - Are you stupid?
Maserati Granturismo - Look at the name
Dodge Viper SRT10 - Musclecar
Jaguar XK - Sportscar


By the way, that's just my fair of name-game playing. There is no longer a rule of categorization that would cater for these cars anymore.

[clutch-monkey]

Audi R8 - sportscar
Alfa Romeo 8c - good looking sportscar
Corvette C6 - sportscar
Corvette Z06 - supercar
Mercedes CL Class - heavy
Mercedes SL Class - heavy
BMW 6 Series - ugly
BMW M6 - ugly but sounds nice
Maserati Granturismo - sports car
Dodge Viper SRT10 - borderline muscle car/sportscar
Jaguar XK - Sportscar

that's how i'd do it :)

[Ingolstadt]

So i guess you reserve the term supercar for those that are 500hp and above?

[clutch-monkey]

So i guess you reserve the term supercar for those that are 500hp and above?
nope. that condition alone includes too many mercedes landbarges and the like

[Ferrer]

Ok there we go...

Audi R8 - We like to make our sister brands redundantly pointless sportscar
Alfa Romeo 8c - We are just showing off, the cars you can buy are front wheel drive Fiats sportscar
Corvette C6 - I liked being ripped off sportscar
Corvette Z06 - The bargain of the century sportscar
Mercedes CL Class - I own the road, get out of my way GT
Mercedes SL Class - Mid life crisis GT
BMW 6 Series - I am blinder than Stevie Wonder GT
BMW M6 - I like to spend 30minutes fiddling with switches before going for a drive sportscar
Maserati Granturismo - I'd buy anything Pininfarina regardless of the looks GT
Dodge Viper SRT10 - I don't fit in the country sportscar
Jaguar XK - I can't afford an Aston Martin GT

[ruim20]

Ok there we go...

Audi R8 - We like to make our sister brands redundantly pointless sportscar
Alfa Romeo 8c - We are just showing off, the cars you can buy are front wheel drive Fiats sportscar
Corvette C6 - I liked being ripped off sportscar
Corvette Z06 - The bargain of the century sportscar
Mercedes CL Class - I own the road, get out of my way GT
Mercedes SL Class - Mid life crisis GT
BMW 6 Series - I am blinder than Stevie Wonder GT
BMW M6 - I like to spend 30minutes fiddling with switches before going for a drive sportscar
Maserati Granturismo - I'd buy anything Pininfarina regardless of the looks GT
Dodge Viper SRT10 - I don't fit in the country sportscar
Jaguar XK - I can't afford an Aston Martin GT

That's more like it :D

[Rockefella]

Audi R8 : Panty dropper
Alfa Romeo 8c : Panty dropper
Corvette C6 : Mid-life Crisis
Corvette Z06 : Supercar killer
Mercedes CL Class : Class
Mercedes SL Class : Mid-life Crisis
BMW 6 Series : Poser
BMW M6 : Ballin'
Maserati Granturismo : Panty dropper
Dodge Viper SRT10 : Male compensation
Jaguar XK : Old guy

[Ingolstadt]

Audi R8 : Panty dropper
Alfa Romeo 8c : Panty dropper
Corvette C6 : Mid-life Crisis
Corvette Z06 : Supercar killer
Mercedes CL Class : Class
Mercedes SL Class : Mid-life Crisis
BMW 6 Series : Poser
BMW M6 : Ballin'
Maserati Granturismo : Panty dropper
Dodge Viper SRT10 : Male compensation
Jaguar XK : Old guy

I liked this direction.

My turn.

Audi R8 : We're getting better and better.
Alfa Romeo 8c : Remember we used to be good?
Corvette C6 : At least i look like one..
Corvette Z06 : At least i go like one...
Mercedes CL Class : I is coupe
Mercedes SL Class : I are supercar
BMW 6 Series : I is sportscar
BMW M6 : I is supercar
Maserati Granturismo : I am Maserati hence great.
Dodge Viper SRT10 : Free cock enlargement program with purchase
Jaguar XK : Old guy

[rev440]

Audi R8-I cant afford a Lambo
Alfa Romeo 8c-Panty dropper
Corvette C6-old man beach cruiser/panty dropper
Corvette Z06-panty dropper
Mercedes CL Class-old man
Mercedes SL Class-Sl65 are crazy
BMW 6 Series-Ugly
BMW M6-shoulda saved money and bought a Toyota that looks the same
Maserati Granturismo-panty dropper
Dodge Viper SRT10-Will always be a step above a Z06
Jaguar XK-I wish I could afford a V8 Vantage

[jediali]

this is a fun game!

Audi R8 - lets make money for VW cos they cant sell premium cars
Alfa Romeo 8c - who wants to buy us next and fund this?
Corvette C6 - i want to sit in a fast cadburys milk tray box
Corvette Z06 - lets perfect the imperfect
Mercedes CL Class - the emotionless GT
Mercedes SL Class - a bit "Dale Winton" if you know what i mean:)
BMW 6 Series - i want people to avoid me
BMW M6 - i want people to think im driving a diesel with a digital ill mannered clutch in town
Maserati Granturismo - i want to feel good about buying from a charity case
Dodge Viper SRT10 - the railway (signal box) company/trainer car
Jaguar XK - wheres my golf clubs?

[Ingolstadt]

Audi R8-I cant afford a Lambo (You can't afford a lambo)
Alfa Romeo 8c-Panty dropper (Drops your grandma's panties for reminding her of the old 8C)
Corvette C6-old man beach cruiser/panty dropper (old lady panty dropper)
Corvette Z06-panty dropper (rich old lady's panty dropper - Tina Turner panty dropper)
Mercedes CL Class-old man (Old-but-trying-to-look/sound-young-man - BeeGees)
Mercedes SL Class-Sl65 are crazy (Crazy petrol receipts)
BMW 6 Series-Ugly (fugly)
BMW M6-shoulda saved money and bought a Toyota that looks the same (hey, you ok rev440?? )
Maserati Granturismo-panty dropper (agreed in some sense)
Dodge Viper SRT10-Will always be a step above a Z06 (what? snoopdog's undie dropper?)
Jaguar XK-I wish I could afford a V8 Vantage - (I wished i could afford V12 Vanquish)

And i like this direction too ! :D

[Slicks]

the names:
Audi R8 - Supercar
Alfa Romeo 8c - Sportscar
Corvette C6 - Supercar
Corvette Z06 - Are you stupid?
Mercedes CL Class - Gran Tourer
Mercedes SL Class - Sportscar
BMW 6 Series - Gran Tourer
BMW M6 - Are you stupid?
Maserati Granturismo - Look at the name
Dodge Viper SRT10 - Musclecar
Jaguar XK - Sportscar


By the way, that's just my fair of name-game playing. There is no longer a rule of categorization that would cater for these cars anymore.

In what way is the Viper a muscle car?
Its the very definition of a sports car: built ground up performer, 2 seater convertable, RWD, independent suspension.

[CdocZ]

In what way is the Viper a muscle car?
Its the very definition of a sports car: built ground up performer, 2 seater convertable, RWD, independent suspension.

I agree more with what you said, but a possible explanation is the massive brutal engine, virtually flat powerbands, drag race loving masochist-mobile?

[clutch-monkey]

it doesn't have the finesse of a proper sportscar, its a brute - like a muscle car

[Turbo.Jenkens]

Muscle cars have back seats, solid rear axles, bad chassis, V8s, and crappy brakes.

[Ferrer]

Muscle cars have back seats, solid rear axles, bad chassis, V8s, and crappy brakes.
The previous Mustang Cobra had IRS. Does that prevent it from being a muscle car? And the Challenger and Camaro will probably have IRS too, won't they be muscle cars?

[Chelo_Spectra]

hahaha nice one... my turn!

Audi R8-my fooling Veyron version
Alfa Romeo 8c-just to stand out from the common Maseratis
Corvette C6-old man with young girl needs!
Corvette Z06-old man that now got a lil money + panty dropper :D
Mercedes CL Class-im a ghetto rapper with money and Big ass Chrome Rims
Mercedes SL Class-Wanna look like a hollywood star :confused:
BMW 6 Series-Ugly... not as a Qvale Mangusta but kinda
BMW M6-tried to fix my sh** but man its hard
Maserati Granturismo-just one step to my Ferrari + panty dropper
Dodge Viper SRT10-Panty Dropper without a doubt
Jaguar XK-my mommy didnt wanted an import... so she bought me this!:mad:

just my way to see things... dont yell at me :D lol

[henk4]

out of those list possibly the Viper and the Z06 and the R8 could be qualified as some sorts of a sportscar. The others are just cars with powerful engines and two doors and a sort of luxury equipment that a true sportscar does not need....
Current real sportscars: Lotus Elise, Donkervoort, Caterham, Morgan Plus 6, BMW Z4M,

[Ferrer]

Morgan Plus 6
Called in fact the Morgan Roadster V6... ;)

Oh and I can't believe you classify the R8 as a sportscar but not the 8C.

[VtecMini]

Audi R8 - 911 viz ze engine in ze right place.
Alfa Romeo 8c - "Hi, we're Alfa Romeo. We used to be good at this sort of thing. Please buy our Fiats."
Corvette C6 - Ideal for driving to the chest wig store.
Corvette Z06 - Ideal for driving to the chest wig store in a hurry.
Mercedes CL Class - An S class for people without friends.
Mercedes SL Class - "No sweetie, I can't remember what it's called. It's just the most expensive thing that they had in the shop at the time..."
BMW 6 Series - The fat kid.
BMW M6 - The fat kid that goes to the gym a lot, who's still fat.
Maserati Granturismo - "No sweetie, I can't remember what it's called, cos I'm completely baked off my tits."
Dodge Viper SRT10 - THE most-wanted car by 9-year olds worldwide. Approach owners with extreme caution.
Jaguar XK - Fore!

[jediali]

Audi R8 - 911 viz ze engine in ze right place.


i take offence! germans dont say ze that much! i want you banned :D ;) :D

[henk4]

Called in fact the Morgan Roadster V6... ;)

Oh and I can't believe you classify the R8 as a sportscar but not the 8C.

maybe because I read the latest EVO issue. What is weight of the Alfa?

[Ferrer]

maybe because I read the latest EVO issue. What is weight of the Alfa?
Lower than the Audi that's for sure. I think it was around 1400kg, but IIRC an official figure hasn't been released.

[Slicks]

Muscle cars have back seats, solid rear axles, bad chassis, V8s, and crappy brakes.
This only applies to pre-90s muscle cars.
Modern day muscle cars have decent chassis, and good brakes (not to mention most of the base models have V6s, but are still "muscle cars", just ones without balls).

[Ingolstadt]

This only applies to pre-90s muscle cars.
Modern day muscle cars have decent chassis, and good brakes (not to mention most of the base models have V6s, but are still "muscle cars", just ones without balls).

As much as you love muscle cars, you seem to take offense from us calling them so.... are muscle cars that bad?

[Kitdy]

As much as you love muscle cars, you seem to take offense from us calling them so.... are muscle cars that bad?

No, he's just trying to properly classify what is a muscle car and what isn't.

[Ferrer]

As much as you love muscle cars, you seem to take offense from us calling them so.... are muscle cars that bad?
No, they are fun. :D

[Turbo.Jenkens]

This only applies to pre-90s muscle cars.
Modern day muscle cars have decent chassis, and good brakes (not to mention most of the base models have V6s, but are still "muscle cars", just ones without balls).


You are right. My intention was to dismiss the Vipers classification as a muscle car.

[Ingolstadt]

sports cars IMO

F430
911
MX-5
RX-8
MR-2

etc....

They're not created to win whatever records, create drag race 0-400 records or whatsoever. They're just to have fun.

Viper, Corvettes, Camaros, Mutang better remain as muscle cars cos it'll never be the choice when people wanted to have driving pleasure. All i see in them are lots of smoke, brutal, cowboy, american, unsophisticated - raw power. in short, MAN.

They're not sportscars, if they were they'll be very bad ones, whereas being musclecars, they're damn well built enough to be called one.

[nota]

Viper, Corvettes, Camaros, Mutang better remain as muscle cars cos it'll never be the choice when people wanted to have driving pleasure. All i see in them are lots of smoke, brutal, cowboy, american, unsophisticated - raw power. in short, MAN.

If Camaro, Mustang & Monaro/GTO are 'musclecars' then I guess things like these qualify too ..?

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/holden-commodore-ss-v-vs-ford-falcon-xr6-turbo-review.htm

[Slicks]

sports cars IMO

F430
911
MX-5
RX-8
MR-2

etc....

They're not created to win whatever records, create drag race 0-400 records or whatsoever. They're just to have fun.

Viper, Corvettes, Camaros, Mutang better remain as muscle cars cos it'll never be the choice when people wanted to have driving pleasure. All i see in them are lots of smoke, brutal, cowboy, american, unsophisticated - raw power. in short, MAN.

They're not sportscars, if they were they'll be very bad ones, whereas being musclecars, they're damn well built enough to be called one.


Wow... Whats its like to live under a rock? The very point of a muscle car is to have fun without having to break the bank.
Corvettes and Vipers are the very definition of a sportscar, they always have been.
Back to the fun to drive, I've driven an MX5 and it was no where near as fun to drive as my TransAm, even in the twisties.
Dont go talking about cars you've never had any experience with...

[Mr.Tiv]

Viper, Corvettes, Camaros, Mutang better remain as muscle cars cos it'll never be the choice when people wanted to have driving pleasure.
Have you ever driven any of those? I've driven more than a few Mustangs, and excepting a 4 cylinder Foxbody, they've all put a smile on my face.

[Ingolstadt]

To me, the terms no longer dictates their capabilities or whatsoever, it's more of the image. how people think or have the first impression bout them, on general. Yes, they are muscle cars. Perhaps the one that's least is the Corvette ... i guess.

[Kitdy]

To me, the terms no longer dictates their capabilities or whatsoever, it's more of the image. how people think or have the first impression bout them, on general. Yes, they are muscle cars. Perhaps the one that's least is the Corvette ... i guess.

The Corvette is no muscle car, neither is the Viper the Viper is just a heavy sportscar, and the 'vette is a pure sportscar - look at the thing, it is small, and only has 2 seats! The Corvette was not a muscle car back in the late 60's and it isn't one now. If you want a pretty good definition of muscle car, this is from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car):


The term muscle car generally describes a rear wheel drive mid-size car with a large, powerful engine V8 engine and special trim, intended for maximum torque on the street or in drag racing competition. It is distinguished from sports cars, which were customarily and coincidentally considered smaller, two-seat cars, or GTs, two-seat or 2+2 cars intended for high-speed touring and possibly road racing. High-performance full-size or compact cars are arguably excluded from this category, as are the breed of compact sports coupes inspired by the Ford Mustang, the "pony car". Another factor used in defining classic muscle cars are their age and country of origin. A classic muscle car is usually but not necessarily made in the US or Australia between 1964 and 1975.


The fundamental problem we have is that Ingolstadt, you have a different opinion of what a muscle car is, that's all.

[CdocZ]

To me, the terms no longer dictates their capabilities or whatsoever, it's more of the image. how people think or have the first impression bout them, on general.

So the Viper is some sort of 3week starved and crazed animal with rabies, that has been injected with 5 doses of steroids every day for the past 3 months? :p

[Ferrer]

So the Viper is some sort of 3week starved and crazed animal with rabies, that has been injected with 5 doses of steroids every day for the past 3 months? :p
Or a truck with a sportscar body on it... :D

[Ingolstadt]

Corvette - Sports car (ok) Viper - no no no no no no no no no

Don't forget, Viper revived the crave for muscle cars that seemed to died off after the 70's oil crisis. It is the epitome of what a modern muscle car should be. All the handling, chassis engineering or IRS are just modern implementations of what a capable car should have. It is, still a muscle car in very sense.

[Ferrer]

Corvette - Sports car (ok) Viper - no no no no no no no no no

Don't forget, Viper revived the crave for muscle cars that seemed to died off after the 70's oil crisis. It is the epitome of what a modern muscle car should be. All the handling, chassis engineering or IRS are just modern implementations of what a capable car should have. It is, still a muscle car in very sense.
Is then the 365 GTB/4 Daytona a muscle car?

[Ingolstadt]

The brand Ferrari already answers it. A Prancing horse is never a muscle car. Yes, perceptions on brands are always bias.

[Ferrer]

The brand Ferrari already answers it. A Prancing horse is never a muscle car. Yes, perceptions on brands are always bias.
The Viper isn't a muscle car either. It might not be refined, but it's not a muscle car. The Daytona drove like a truck and not for that we call it a muscle car.

[Ingolstadt]

The Viper isn't a muscle car either. It might not be refined, but it's not a muscle car. The Daytona drove like a truck and not for that we call it a muscle car.

Daytona is an old car. Viper ain't. As i said, the capabilities doesn't dictate a car's segmentation in OUR perception. The capabilities of what you describe is a modern car's implementation which i see as prerequisites to be something capable and fast. Perhaps globalisation had forced US manufacturers touse independant linked suspension more, even on muscle cars, but that doesn't mean they will be comparable to MX-5 or F430 anytime soon. Same goes with weight and handling.

And they shouldn't be, Muscle car to me is more manly that sportscars. It's a 'male' only thing i guess. :)

[Ferrer]

Daytona is an old car. Viper ain't. As i said, the capabilities doesn't dictate a car's segmentation in OUR perception. The capabilities of what you describe is a modern car's implementation which i see as prerequisites to be something capable and fast. Perhaps globalisation had forced US manufacturers touse independant linked suspension more, even on muscle cars, but that doesn't mean they will be comparable to MX-5 or F430 anytime soon. Same goes with weight and handling.
Well the Lotus Elan was launched in 1962. I think we can set it as the benchmark. All cars that doesn't handle as well as the little Elan can't be considered sportscars?

[Ingolstadt]

Well the Lotus Elan was launched in 1962. I think we can set it as the benchmark. All cars that doesn't handle as well as the little Elan can't be considered sportscars?

nope, IMO there's no performance benchmark for supercars. A Cayenne Turbo or ML63 goes faster thru tracks (forgotten which one but was in EVO magazine) faster than an Elise. That's the problem.

It's still, the image. :)

[Slicks]

Or a truck with a sportscar body on it... :D

That doesnt even make any sense...

[Slicks]

Corvette - Sports car (ok) Viper - no no no no no no no no no

Don't forget, Viper revived the crave for muscle cars that seemed to died off after the 70's oil crisis. It is the epitome of what a modern muscle car should be. All the handling, chassis engineering or IRS are just modern implementations of what a capable car should have. It is, still a muscle car in very sense.

What makes the Viper any different than the Corvette???
The Viper is just a reincarnation of the Shelby Daytona Coupe:
http://www.dealsonwheels.com/database/cars/77931big.jpg
A genuine sports car in and out. Muscle cars do NOT have two seats, they are always atleast 4.

[Slicks]

The brand Ferrari already answers it. A Prancing horse is never a muscle car. Yes, perceptions on brands are always bias.

So the Mustang is not a muscle car?
http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/p138139_small+1999_ford_mustang_coupe+mustang_badg e.jpg

[Slicks]

Daytona is an old car. Viper ain't. As i said, the capabilities doesn't dictate a car's segmentation in OUR perception. The capabilities of what you describe is a modern car's implementation which i see as prerequisites to be something capable and fast. Perhaps globalisation had forced US manufacturers touse independant linked suspension more, even on muscle cars, but that doesn't mean they will be comparable to MX-5 or F430 anytime soon. Same goes with weight and handling.

And they shouldn't be, Muscle car to me is more manly that sportscars. It's a 'male' only thing i guess. :)
So you dont consider cars like the Zonda, F430, Mosler MT900, or Exige "manly"? You have a very different view of "image"...

[Ingolstadt]

So the Mustang is not a muscle car?
http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/p138139_small+1999_ford_mustang_coupe+mustang_badg e.jpg

Ford is a family car manufacturer as far as i'm concern. :)


So you dont consider cars like the Zonda, F430, Mosler MT900, or Exige "manly"? You have a very different view of "image"...

I say MORE, doesn't mean those which are less is NOT. Nope, you just have to agree with me that i still feel Viper as a muscle car, and no matter it's capable or not on tracks, it will always remain a muscle car in many's perception. :) (maybe out of states... )

But seriously, it is a compliment.

[Ferrer]

That doesnt even make any sense...
Humour > you.

[The_Canuck]

So the Mustang is not a muscle car?
http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/p138139_small+1999_ford_mustang_coupe+mustang_badg e.jpg

Hmmm, is it prancing? No.

[Kitdy]

The Mustang is not a muscle car. It is a pony car.

[Ferrer]

The Mustang is not a muscle car. It is a pony car.
But if it has a V8 it becomes a muslce car. And today the definition of pony car is obsolete in my opinion.