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h22a

07-19-2007, 12:43 AM

so why did you ask? looks like you had your answer already

well clearly i dont as their are from 6 down missing and the top five were guesses, thanks for your quality input

h22a

07-19-2007, 12:44 AM

fastest

Wouter Melissen

07-19-2007, 12:46 AM

fastest

Fastest doing what? Changing tires, cutting corners, flying through the air? You need to be a little more specific.

henk4

07-19-2007, 01:05 AM

fastest

fastest on the same track?

F1_Master

07-19-2007, 01:06 AM

If you mean fastest by overall speed, I guess Nascar and oval racing since the drivers average about 190Mph constantly.

henk4

07-19-2007, 01:07 AM

If you mean fastest by overall speed, I guess Nascar and oval racing since the drivers average about 190Mph constantly.

yeah, but if you would let loose a current LMP1 car or an F1 car on an oval, the balance might tip the other way....it all depends on the gearing..

F1_Master

07-19-2007, 01:10 AM

I suppose so. I've heard F1s are very, very fast cars when setup for speed instead of racing circuits.

henk4

07-19-2007, 01:15 AM

I suppose so. I've heard F1s are very, very fast cars when setup for speed instead of racing circuits.
yep, they can, but on the other hand the engines are not developed for continuous full throttle, so they need to be tuned down to withstand permanent high speeds. They may have to fiddle with the wings a little also, in order to reduce air resistance. On a one lap basis though the current ones would be unbeatable. If i remember correctly Honda tried to establish a high speed record last year at Bonneville, but I don't remember what they actually achieved.

F1_Master

07-19-2007, 01:19 AM

I remember reading about that. According to the article, they averaged 247Mph.
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/21/honda-f1-sets-land-speed-records-at-bonneville/

Kitdy

07-19-2007, 07:51 AM

yep, they can, but on the other hand the engines are not developed for continuous full throttle, so they need to be tuned down to withstand permanent high speeds. They may have to fiddle with the wings a little also, in order to reduce air resistance. On a one lap basis though the current ones would be unbeatable. If i remember correctly Honda tried to establish a high speed record last year at Bonneville, but I don't remember what they actually achieved.

It'd be interesting to see how the F1 guys do on ovals if they set up the car for it - I have a feeling that a Champ car or IRL car may have the edge however as they are more used to that kind of racing.

henk4

07-19-2007, 08:17 AM

It'd be interesting to see how the F1 guys do on ovals if they set up the car for it - I have a feeling that a Champ car or IRL car may have the edge however as they are more used to that kind of racing.
Remember Nigel Mansell? Straight from becoming F1 world champion he won the Indy competition the next year....

magracer

07-19-2007, 08:23 AM

Considering quickest as fastest average speed around a track it would be:

1. IRL +220 mph (Texas superspeedway)
2. Nascar +180 mph (Fontana superspeedway)
3. F1 +160 mph (Monza)
4. Le Mans Prototipes +140 mph (Le Mans)

haven't got time for next six...:rolleyes:

zdriga

07-19-2007, 09:13 AM

F1 and oval racing

Turbo.Jenkens

07-19-2007, 09:38 AM

In nearly all cases I'd go with open wheels. Since IRLs weigh slightly more than F1s and have more torque I'd have to say F1 on a road course and IRL on an oval. If time were a factor I don't think anything can keep up with an LMP1 car for more than 10 hours, probably less. Don't forget to put MOTOGP somewhere in the top 10. Also, if the track were dirt the Pikes Peak unlimited class cars would be untouchable.

Turbo.Jenkens

07-19-2007, 10:11 AM

..... if it were a dirt oval maybe winged Outlaws.

...... and what if we were talking about a motorcross course?

we really need to know what track or at least what kind of track to answer h22a's question.

F1_Master

07-19-2007, 10:25 AM

magracer

07-19-2007, 10:51 AM

I think if Nascar removed the restrictors, we could easily see 210Mph+ at Talledega.

.. and if my uncle had t*ts, he would be my aunt! :D :D :D

Just some friday mood! (tomorrow is a holiday here...)

kingofthering

07-19-2007, 11:33 AM

Pikes Peak monsters or Group B machines if top speed isn't in the criteria.

digitalcraft

07-19-2007, 11:55 AM

200+ mph is NOTHING.

http://www.if1airracing.com/
http://aafo.com/racing/2006/reno-2006/reno_air_race_results_2006.html

NSXType-R

07-19-2007, 03:25 PM

Quick question- what was the fastest Le Mans prototype race car? Could it set a lap time similar to the fastest F1 car, or could it be even faster?

Cyco

07-19-2007, 03:54 PM

The 917 holds the race record for speed. Would have been faster than a F1 car at the track, but on a tight, twisty track a F1 car's downforce would leave it for dead

Wouter Melissen

07-19-2007, 04:00 PM

The 917 holds the race record for speed. Would have been faster than a F1 car at the track, but on a tight, twisty track a F1 car's downforce would leave it for dead

If the race would have been dry this year, the R10 would have broken the distance record and that's with the two chicanes in the hunaudieres.

Turbo.Jenkens

07-19-2007, 04:59 PM

A Sauber C9-Mercedes reached a top speed around 400 km/h (248 mph) in 1989, but that was before the chicanes.

h22a

07-19-2007, 05:34 PM

two different tracks hypotheticly...
Nurburgring and Laguna Seca with each car set up accordingly

2ndclasscitizen

07-19-2007, 07:21 PM

If an F1 car can make it down the Corkscrew then an F1, and I suppose around Nurburg as well.

Jack_Bauer

07-19-2007, 07:39 PM

If an F1 car can make it down the Corkscrew then an F1, and I suppose around Nurburg as well.

F1 cars can easily make it through the Corkscrew - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I_bWOdY6mbU

On any normal racing circuit ('Road Courses', as they tend to be known in America) an F1 car should be the fastest over one lap and over a short-ish race, probably followed by Champ Cars. If the race is an endurance race then reliability issues would make a Le Mans Prototype the obvious favourite. Provided they could get it to ride the bumps and cambers sufficiently cleanly then F1 cars should be the fastest around the Nordschleife too.

kingofthering

07-19-2007, 09:52 PM

Quick question- what was the fastest Le Mans prototype race car? Could it set a lap time similar to the fastest F1 car, or could it be even faster?

A Jaguar XJ/9 holds the record for highest average speed, IIRC.

Kultag

07-20-2007, 04:29 AM

Isn't the Thrust SSC a race car? And there are those Boneville lakesters at 400+ km/h. And if you check how 1000 cc race bikes accelerate to 350 km/h... I'm not sure they are far behind F1 cars (though they are poor in the corners). Or a 917/30 at Talladega?

NSXType-R

07-20-2007, 05:23 AM

I guess you could call the Thrust SSC a race car, but what's it racing against? :D

It's only for top speed records on the Salt Flats, so I don't think it's a type of racing, not unless you're seeking for a line that never moves, it's not racing, I think at least.

henk4

07-20-2007, 05:38 AM

I guess you could call the Thrust SSC a race car, but what's it racing against? :D

Time...

Sledgehammer

07-20-2007, 07:58 AM

Theirs also motorboat racing, speeds get close to 140 mph and lasting 45 minutes.

The question is just to vague to answer appropriatly. I would think that the thrust scc is a form of racing. Racing in its nature is competative and breaking speed records is just a slice of the pie.

jediali

07-20-2007, 08:34 AM

what about the space race? The Apollo 11 that dropped Armstrong of went 25000 Mph to escape the earths atmosphere.

cmcpokey

07-20-2007, 09:27 AM

what about the space race? The Apollo 11 that dropped Armstrong of went 25000 Mph to escape the earths atmosphere.

38 years ago today as well... good timing.

Cyco

07-20-2007, 12:00 PM

The space race was also a slow one - it took 10 years from the gun sounding till someone landed on the moon.

NSXType-R

07-20-2007, 02:17 PM

First is first, there's no denying that.

The engineering effort must have been freaking huge. This is a massive rocket you're talking here, not a 4 wheeled wonder. The rocket is many hundred times more complex than the car. It has so many components, and if any one of them goes wrong, the pride of the country and the lives of the astronauts are gone. The undertaking of engineering a rocket is far greater than engineering a car. And in that short amount of time too. Getting to the moon is far harder than going round that corner. :D

jediali

07-20-2007, 02:22 PM

38 years ago today as well... good timing.
i was reading an article about it in the times, just popped into mind here..