New Coast to Coast record!

[werty]

Pretty unbelievable stuff here. I saw this on the news on friday and just read this.

31 hrs and 4 min from new york to california:eek: :eek: :eek: in a BMW:cool:

The Pedal-to-the-Metal, Totally Illegal, Cross-Country Sprint for Glory (http://www.wired.com/cars/coolwheels/magazine/15-11/ff_cannonballrun)

EDIT: I checked for a repost. didnt see anything like this

[baddabang]

Thats pretty astonishing, since it takes us 27hrs just to drive to Miami.

[digitalcraft]

People who try to glorify this need to be slapped around a little.

[blingbling]

People who try to glorify this need to be slapped around a little.ya i wish he got pwned on the way too hahaha

u cant outrun electromagnetic waves or bullets for that matter :)

[kigango123]

That is amazing, military spec binoculars,police radio scanners. i would love to be that guy. :D

Say all you want to say but that is simply astounding.

[werty]

People who try to glorify this need to be slapped around a little.

did you read the article? these guys were 100% completly professional about this. I dont see anything wrong with it at all, unless it had been done by some stupid kids.

They even had aircraft above to help guide them as safely as possible.:cool:


meh, I dont want this to be an argument...im done

[Rockefella]

did you read the article? these guys were 100% completly professional about this. I dont see anything wrong with it at all, unless it had been done by some stupid kids.

They even had aircraft above to help guide them as safely as possible.:cool:


meh, I dont want this to be an argument...im done

They definitely went about doing this as safely as they could, but it's a dangerous feat.

I say we leave it at that before the mega-debate about how stupid these guys are versus how cool they are begins.

[The_Canuck]

did you read the article? these guys were 100% completly professional about this. I dont see anything wrong with it at all, unless it had been done by some stupid kids.

They even had aircraft above to help guide them as safely as possible.:cool:


meh, I dont want this to be an argument...im done
Couldn't they have cooperated with the government somehow to allow some roads to be closed off for an hour or two? No, it had to be illegal that was the point.

[zeppelin]

Couldn't they have cooperated with the government somehow to allow some roads to be closed off for an hour or two? No, it had to be illegal that was the point.

That would defeat the whole point of the record attempt.

[The_Canuck]

That would defeat the whole point of the record attempt.

The record was not who could cross the continent the fastest on four wheels illegally. Just simply, the fastest. But it would defeat the atmosphere.

My point was not, it would have been better if...
It was that they could have been more safe, but chose not to because it'd "look bad"

[Rockefella]

The record was not who could cross the continent the fastest on four wheels illegally. Just simply, the fastest. But it would defeat the atmosphere.

My point was not, it would have been better if...
It was that they could have been more safe, but chose not to because it'd "look bad"

Well, the record was set without closed roads, so it's not about looking bad but breaking the record in the same manner.

[The_Canuck]

Well, the record was set without closed roads, so it's not about looking bad but breaking the record in the same manner.

True, but the point still stands that they could have been safer. All im arguing with is


these guys were 100% completly professional about this. I dont see anything wrong with it at all, unless it had been done by some stupid kids.


They were thorough, not necessarily "professional". There are many things wrong with it, and it encourages stupid kids.

[fisetdavid26]

A car packed with illegal equipment, illegal speeds all the way, and the fact they both knew the record attempt would be illegal is what you call doing it in a professional way? Sorry but, what are you on? The record attempt would be a great idea if it was done legally. It's just show a great amount of irresponsibility and stupidity to attempt something illegal and dangerous, not just for them, but for the 'normal' people driving around them. I would support the project if the guys asked for the roads to be closed, and did it safely.

[Quiggs]

How do you propose you do this legally? With police escorts? By closing sections of highway? At that point, why do it? It's like setting a swimming record in a non-Olympic sized pool.

[fisetdavid26]

How do you propose you do this legally? With police escorts? By closing sections of highway? At that point, why do it? It's like setting a swimming record in a non-Olympic sized pool.
So? A record done on closed roads would just show how fast you can cross the US by car, and could be compared with other means of transport (planes and trains, for example) or obviously with other cars. IMO saying "LOL WE CROSSED THE US ILLEGALY WE'RE SO HARDCORE!" is just retarded, and praising a record some dudes did swerving around cars at high speeds is even more retarded.

[werty]

They were thorough, not necessarily "professional". There are many things wrong with it, and it encourages stupid kids.

oh please! it does not encourage kids. kids dont have enough gas money these days to go to school and back, let alone cross country in a race car loaded with expenisive electronics and two professional drivers

illegal doesnt always equal stupid

you can disagree as much as you want, but the fact is that they are professional drivers and they pulled of a dangerous road trip

ok I'm really done this time lol

[The_Canuck]

oh please! it does not encourage kids. kids dont have enough gas money these days to go to school and back, let alone cross country in a race car loaded with expenisive electronics and two professional drivers

It encourages them to do illegal activities...


illegal doesnt always equal stupid
What does it equal then? Cool?


you can disagree as much as you want, but the fact is that they are professional drivers and they pulled of a dangerous road trip

O rly? How are they professional? Being professional also doesn't put you above the law.


ok I'm really done this time lol
I hope so.

[my porsche]

I wonder if they could've made that car a little more conspicuous.

[werty]

It encourages them to do illegal activities..
What does it equal then? Cool?
O rly? How are they professional? Being professional also doesn't put you above the law.
I hope so.

In this case, yes, it does equal cool. Sorry you dont feel the same way.

They are pro in that they have all the right equipment, planing, and knowhow of how to pull off such a feat! If it had been some teens in their civic si swearving around the highway, then yea you can call that stupid and unprofessional. But two guys in their 30's driving a REAL car, with real driving experience(gumball), and real equipment and guidance...that my friend is Professional. So they broke some laws, but at least they were smart enough to wait a year before telling their story. Somebody unprofessional wouldnt have been able to do that. Never said they were above the law either...dont put words in my mouth. If you actually read the entire article or the book that they wrote, you'll know that they didnt tailgate a single time or swerve around traffic. And for the most part they were only going 100mph...which isnt that insane really.

and as far as encouraging stupid kids, I still dont think it will encourage them to break this record or even attempt it. It simply takes to much time and effort. Yea those dumb kids might race on the freeway, but they wouldve been doing that anyways had they heard of this or not. the only people that might try this again will be another set of professionals.

[Quiggs]

I wonder if they could've made that car a little more conspicuous.

They didn't have a sticker on it that said "Illegal Cross Country Road Racer."

[digitalcraft]

In this case, yes, it does equal cool. Sorry you dont feel the same way.


I'm sorry, I could never consider this 'cool'. It is remarkably irresponsible! It's a bad example. I hope families sue this person when their kid decides to go cross country swerving and kills themselves.

[werty]

I hope families sue this person when their kid decides to go cross country swerving and kills themselves.

yea, because its not the kids fault at all:rolleyes:

[Quiggs]

Like kids don't drive like asshats to begin with.

[fisetdavid26]

Like kids don't drive like asshats to begin with.
I concur, and +1 for using asshat. Best insult evAr.

[The_Canuck]

In this case, yes, it does equal cool. Sorry you dont feel the same way.

They are pro in that they have all the right equipment, planing, and knowhow of how to pull off such a feat! If it had been some teens in their civic si swearving around the highway, then yea you can call that stupid and unprofessional. But two guys in their 30's driving a REAL car, with real driving experience(gumball), and real equipment and guidance...that my friend is Professional. So they broke some laws, but at least they were smart enough to wait a year before telling their story. Somebody unprofessional wouldnt have been able to do that. Never said they were above the law either...dont put words in my mouth. If you actually read the entire article or the book that they wrote, you'll know that they didnt tailgate a single time or swerve around traffic. And for the most part they were only going 100mph...which isnt that insane really.

and as far as encouraging stupid kids, I still dont think it will encourage them to break this record or even attempt it. It simply takes to much time and effort. Yea those dumb kids might race on the freeway, but they wouldve been doing that anyways had they heard of this or not. the only people that might try this again will be another set of professionals.

Oh hell where do I start?

By your definitions if I had a really sweet barrel and I went over the falls in it, i'd be a pro. Cause hey, my barrels got TITANIUM STRAPS YO! But going over the falls with the best equipment is still pretty stupid. But not nearly as stupid as risking the lives of others on public roads in the name of breaking a record!

Of course it doesn't encourage kids to break the record but now they think it's cool to speed as long as you don't get caught, great freakin lesson eh?

lolololol done?

[my porsche]

Like kids don't drive like asshats to begin with.

Oh that reminds me. I did a sick burnout in the school parking lot yesterday. Then I shot gravel all over the principal's car, and then I ran over a octagenarian.

[fisetdavid26]

Oh that reminds me. I did a sick burnout in the school parking lot yesterday. Then I shot gravel all over the principal's car, and then I ran over a octagenarian.
Is the octagenarian in a "better world" as we speak?

[my porsche]

He better be, I just shoved him to the side of the road and booked.

[ferrarifreak013]

I'm sorry, I could never consider this 'cool'. It is remarkably irresponsible! It's a bad example. I hope families sue this person when their kid decides to go cross country swerving and kills themselves.

sorry but I just have to say that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I hate parents that can't accept that their kids are idiots and are influenced so heavily to do such a dumb thing, and then can't take the responsibility for their offspring. That in my opinion is the American way (blaming everyone else for something that isn't their fault)

[ripper46]

he is one of those gumball idiots

[blingbling]

canuck and digital for conservative party of UCP!!!

[Rockefella]

Oh hell where do I start?

By your definitions if I had a really sweet barrel and I went over the falls in it, i'd be a pro. Cause hey, my barrels got TITANIUM STRAPS YO! But going over the falls with the best equipment is still pretty stupid. But not nearly as stupid as risking the lives of others on public roads in the name of breaking a record!

Please come to terms with how he means professionally done. Obviously, there's a difference between two kids in a riced car driving like morons across the continental United States and what these guys have done. Granted, it is dangerous as hell and I think they're stupid for doing it in the first place, their means of completing the trip was done with strict planning, incredible amounts of technology, and arguably safe, yet illegal driving. Like werty said, the average speed is somewhere around 100mph which isn't all that bad on deserted roads, but just blasting a supercar on closed highways at speeds of well over 150 mph isn't all that special.

Just to point out again before I get misquoted, what these guys did is stupid and irresponsible, but the way they broke the record was about as safe as it could be while keeping the parameters of the run intact.

[bmwpower]

I mean canuk has terrible arugments that are all over the place. Take his suggestion of shutting down the roads, which itself is a huge impossibility to co-ordinate, and no politician would ever want to support this cause, and dare approve such a feat, and mix it with his water fall scenario. What good is going over the falls if u get them to stop all the water, it isn't a fall anymore is it. This was a man who had a dream and was dedicated enough to conquer it, while the may seem irresponsible and stupid to you, he attempted it 3x, never once getting into an accident and was able to break the record the way it was originally set. It's an amazing feat and you need to loosen up.

[NSXType-R]

Haven't read the entire thread. I'll do that later.

So, basically, my comments on this don't count in the thread yet. :D

Certainly is cool to do it so quickly. Certainly it was illegal and dangerous. But it was certainly a well planned and organized effort.

Besides, the M5 is probably the best car to do it in. It's a cool car to boot too. :D

[MRR]

It encourages them to do illegal activities...

In the same way that video games encourage undesirable behavior?!?!...

http://joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/FR/smells_like_bullshit.jpg

So what if they did it nobody in their right mind would want to do this. Even if people chose to re-attempt what these guys did they would not be equipped to do so and would be taken into custody.

[The_Canuck]

I encourages speeding as long as they're not caught. This is getting ridiculous, on one hand you're all against street racing and on the other you support this. A time attack across public roads. Is there any difference?

[digitalcraft]

canuck and digital for conservative party of UCP!!!

I'm actually quite liberal. I just don't believe in glorifying incredibly stupid activities. Probably why I don't watch Jackass either.

[The_Canuck]

I'm actually quite liberal. I just don't believe in glorifying incredibly stupid activities. Probably why I don't watch Jackass either.

Jackass I quite funny actually :p

But thier stunts usually do not hurt others.

[magracer]

I encourages speeding as long as they're not caught. This is getting ridiculous, on one hand you're all against street racing and on the other you support this. A time attack across public roads. Is there any difference?

According to your logic the blame should be placed on the original Cannonball Runners of the eighties because that's really when the original record was set.

Also, I think this is a practice that will not be very attractive to the general public at all. It takes massive resources (Alex Roy claims he spent $150.000) to complete, and it's one thing to average 90 mph for ten minutes to an hour (or two), but a whole different one to do it for +30 hours: actually it's a little bit sadistic.

So being a stupid practice and all, why did he do it? Money, of course, the book and the movie will give him handsome royalties.

[fisetdavid26]

It takes massive resources (Alex Roy claims he spent $150.000) to complete
I guess you mean $150,000? Because $150.000 is actually quite cheap ;)

[whiteballz]

On one hand you're all against street racing and on the other you support this. A time attack across public roads. Is there any difference?

Lets break it down.

- Illegal street racing:

Disorganised
City Streets
Two drivers = two egos = two guys that will go over the limit to show theyre better.
Competitive on a close level
Smaller confines
Higher number of obstacles.
No safety precautions - No spotters, no helpers.
Unplanned - Trans american Time Attack

Highly organised
Planned route
Open highways
Two drivers Working as a team
Little/No blind corners or obstacles
Safety precautions
Driver swaps
Spotters/plannersBecause these are so simmilar I guess this breakdown wont be enough.

So I expect a reply :p

[Rockefella]

I guess you mean $150,000? Because $150.000 is actually quite cheap ;)

Some countries use a period to seperate large quantities with a comma for decimals, while others do the opposite.

I have Polish family members that represent numbers the same way.

[The_Canuck]

Lets break it down.

- Trans american Time Attack

Highly organised
Planned route Also on city streets
Open highways not all highways are "open"
Two drivers Working as a team One obviously trying very hard to show he is better by breaking a record
Little/No blind corners or obstacles Uhm it listed them in the story but: Deer, pedestrians(sometimes), traffic, weather, among other unpredeictable occurences
Safety precautionsto not get caught by police
Driver swaps
Spotters/plannersBecause these are so simmilar I guess this breakdown wont be enough.

So I expect a reply :p


Haha well a few points are a bit scewed, ill respond in red.

Also some simmilarities

Both Illegal
Both pose threat to innocent motorists
Both bad unfluence on youth
Both incredibly dangerous

[fisetdavid26]

Some countries use a period to seperate large quantities with a comma for decimals, while others do the opposite.

I have Polish family members that represent numbers the same way.
We use a space here, and sometimes a dot instead... I thought using periods was the international way to write it. My bad.

[NSXType-R]

We use a space here, and sometimes a dot instead... I thought using periods was the international way to write it. My bad.

It probably is. Commas are the American way of writing things. :D

[fisetdavid26]

It probably is. Commas are the American way of writing things. :D
It's funny to see that this thread is filled with pointless debates and is now (pointlessly) debating over commas and periods :D

[NSXType-R]

It's funny to see that this thread is filled with pointless debates and is now (pointlessly) debating over commas and periods :D

Anything to make the discussion less grave and boring and pointless. :D

[Rockefella]

It probably is. Commas are the American way of writing things. :D

That doesn't even make sense.

[MRR]

Haha well a few points are a bit scewed, ill respond in red.

Also some similarities


Both bad influence on youth



Err everything is a bad influence on youth isn't it? I think the vast majority of people will not try to reenact what these two have done. People do illegal stuff on camera all the time so why don't we ban movies, videogames, writing, etc that depict any sort of illegal behavior or actions? This argument just doesn't make any sense.

[The_Canuck]

Err everything is a bad influence on youth isn't it? I think the vast majority of people will not try to reenact what these two have done. People do illegal stuff on camera all the time so why don't we ban movies, videogames, writing, etc that depict any sort of illegal behavior or actions? This argument just doesn't make any sense.

Yes it does, Movies, video games and books are works of FICTION. This is not.

[fisetdavid26]

Yes it does, Movies, video games and books are works of FICTION. This is not.
What about books, video games and movies based on true stories?

[The_Canuck]

What about books, video games and movies based on true stories?

Unless they advocate the illegal activities, which they almost never do. It doesn't matter.

[werty]

guys were never going to get him to understand


I actually LOL when I saw canuck refer to 90mph as incredibly dangerous. I hope I see you some day on the freeway...your in for a shocker:p

[fisetdavid26]

I actually LOL when I saw canuck refer to 90mph as incredibly dangerous. I hope I see you some day on the freeway...your in for a shocker:p
Well he comes from Ontario, they drive at 45 mph in the left lane on highways...

[nota]

Lets break it down.

- Illegal street racing:

Disorganised
City Streets
Two drivers = two egos = two guys that will go over the limit to show theyre better.
Competitive on a close level
Smaller confines
Higher number of obstacles.
No safety precautions - No spotters, no helpers.
Unplanned - Trans american Time Attack

Highly organised
Planned route
Open highways
Two drivers Working as a team
Little/No blind corners or obstacles
Safety precautions
Driver swaps
Spotters/plannersBecause these are so simmilar I guess this breakdown wont be enough.

So I expect a reply :p
Ok you asked for it :p

Your Trans-Am Time Attack 'safety precautions' are exactly similar to those employed in Oz's infamous Cannonball Run of 1994

Look what happened there
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/nota_photo/Cannonball.jpg


Four people were killed, including two event volunteers. :( :( :( :(



Btw what IS IT about japanese Ferrari drivers in Oz? :eek:
Ferrari Crash 30/03/03 Photo Gallery by Dan at pbase.com (http://www.pbase.com/partyman/ferarri_crash&page=1)

[whiteballz]

theres your problem, its a ferrari!

on a side note, higher speeds are likely - probably something else different too.

But Ive forgotten what i had planned to retort with.

[clutch-monkey]

Btw what IS IT about japanese Ferrari drivers in Oz?
the F40 was driven by a foreigner :p a japanese dentist
i have pics of a crashed murcielago from the suncoast rally...

[nota]

the F40 was driven by a foreigner :p a japanese dentist
i have pics of a crashed murcielago from the suncoast rally...
but you don't need to be japanese to make a total fool of yourself

pics
http://forum.gtspirit.com/drunk-driver-crashes-ferrari-t2353.html

amusing description of the event
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/crunch-time-for-300000-ferrari/2006/12/21/1166290658779.html

[henk4]

Btw what IS IT about japanese Ferrari drivers in Oz? :eek:
Ferrari Crash 30/03/03 Photo Gallery by Dan at pbase.com (http://www.pbase.com/partyman/ferarri_crash&page=1)

Ferrari going off-road does not work very well then, in a way...

[fisetdavid26]

but you don't need to be japanese to make a total fool of yourself
I remember that one, another great proof that having money doesn't mean you can drive a supercar, or the intelligence to drive one for that matter...

[kigango123]

It encourages them to do illegal activities...


What does it equal then? Cool?



O rly? How are they professional? Being professional also doesn't put you above the law.


I hope so.
Is this site so full of tight-wads, that nobody can recognize a feat when he or she :rolleyes: sees one, They broke the record for the fastest car across the country, so it was illegal, big deal!

The fact remains that they broke it, I would love to see one of you do it "legally". Yes, The gorvenment would close down thousands of miles of highway for a silly do-gooder trying to prove wrong one of the oldest racing feats. :rolleyes:

P.S
and stop filling the thread with pathetic sob stories of juvenile street racing accidents. Its incredibly *!%@ to use accidents to try and woo people to a moot point.

[The_Canuck]

so it was illegal, big deal!



So it was illegal, big deal? You think the we're whats wrong with the forum? Get a f**cking head.



The gorvenment would close down thousands of miles of highway

Do you even know how the government works? The States control the roads. They wouldn't be closing down thousands of miles, it would only be a few, and only for an hour or two while the drivers are there. Im sure the states would rather take the time to close down a single road then to hire extra police to prevent people from doing stupid stunts like this.

[kigango123]

So it was illegal, big deal? You think the we're whats wrong with the forum? Get a f**cking head.




Do you even know how the government works? The States control the roads. They wouldn't be closing down thousands of miles, it would only be a few, and only for an hour or two while the drivers are there. Im sure the states would rather take the time to close down a single road then to hire extra police to prevent people from doing stupid stunts like this.

Ohhh i see :p , it would be easier to break the record if you had to go to each and every state and wait for some state senator or whoever it is that is in charge to close god knows how many miles of road in each state through out your journey. How many states is that? More importantly how many miles of road per state is that

Even if all the states in the picture were to agree, you would have to stop in each state for a police escort or for police to clear the road or something so as to even pass. You would not even make it in a week! :eek: , let alone break the record

If somebody actually does it, then i will eat all my pubic hair and forever hang up the banner of street racing, but till then please try to make more sense :D

[Cyco]

Getting roads closed is easy.

No need to involve senators.

Just approach the state's Dept of Roads, hire the road and the police to close it and its all done for you. If you can afford spotter planes and the like the hire charge for a rolling closure is not much at all.

[kigango123]

Getting roads closed is easy.

No need to involve senators.

Just approach the state's Dept of Roads, hire the road and the police to close it and its all done for you. If you can afford spotter planes and the like the hire charge for a rolling closure is not much at all.

Maybe some deserted roads and two lane roads, but from when you start talking about interstate from coast to coast, it is nigh impossible.

And by the way, the interstates are federally controlled, not state controlled

[Quiggs]

They're federally owned, but individual states are responsible for patrolling, maintaining, and generally controlling the interstates. There is no FedDOT that goes around fixing interstates.

[MRR]

Unless they advocate the illegal activities, which they almost never do. It doesn't matter.

Sure it matters it advocates the same thing (and I have seen a lot of media that advocates illegal activities so I don't know what you are talking about). Whether its fiction or not is irrelevant. For the better or worse we have freedom of speech and they can publish this if they choose to do so.

[The_Canuck]

Sure it matters it advocates the same thing (and I have seen a lot of media that advocates illegal activities so I don't know what you are talking about). Whether its fiction or not is irrelevant. For the better or worse we have freedom of speech and they can publish this if they choose to do so.

Most people know the difference between getting away with something in a fantasy world, and then seeing someone do it in real life.

[MRR]

Most people know the difference between getting away with something in a fantasy world, and then seeing someone do it in real life.

I dunno I see people getting away with murder, robbery, and rape all the time but most people won't emulate it will they? The point is you can't argue that they should not be allowed to publish this. Sure its reckless and stupid I agree but in the grand scheme of things this wasn't the worst thing they could possibly do.

[blingbling]

Well he comes from Ontario, they drive at 45 mph in the left lane on highways...whose arse did you pull this "fact" out of?
Ohhh i see :p , it would be easier to break the record if you had to go to each and every state and wait for some state senator or whoever it is that is in charge to close god knows how many miles of road in each state through out your journey. How many states is that?can you not read? he never questioned the easiness of this mission, he is still strung up on the legality of it.

canuck, seriously, i fail to see the big deal. this "advoating" illegal street racing is still an opinion. it was safely and professionally done. you are not going to get more safe and cautious than this. just relax. and some things that are "illegal" may not necesarily a bad thing. think of the american revolution, cannabis, being able to eat a lemon in a bathtub in kansas (something like that), etc... its NOT A BIG DEAL

unless you start finding people who were harmed from this, and it was because of this record, i will not worry about it at all. if anything, i am more strung up about the sheer pointlessness, uselessness, and mootness of this whole mission.

ps, i still wish this guy got pwned by the po-po on his mission. just watching all that money goto waste by getting caught.

[fisetdavid26]

whose arse did you pull this "fact" out of?
It's not a fact, it's just a running joke in Québec. Every time there's someone slow in the left lane on Québec highways there's always an Ontario license plate on the car. That's it. It's not proven, it's just a joke to taunt Ontarians like they taunt us by calling us frogs.

[The_Canuck]

All I hear is *croak*

[Cyco]

Maybe some deserted roads and two lane roads, but from when you start talking about interstate from coast to coast, it is nigh impossible.

And by the way, the interstates are federally controlled, not state controlled

Quite obvious you will quit before actually achieving anything if you make comments like that.

A closure of any road/s can be done - with patience and the right budget.

[blingbling]

It's not a fact, it's just a running joke in Québec. Every time there's someone slow in the left lane on Québec highways there's always an Ontario license plate on the car. That's it. It's not proven, it's just a joke to taunt Ontarians like they taunt us by calling us frogs.i see, but again, that last part, we are supposed to call you frogs? are we referring to the same ontario and quebec?

[fisetdavid26]

i see, but again, that last part, we are supposed to call you frogs? are we referring to the same ontario and quebec?
We are... I didn't say all Ontarians call Québécois frogs and all Québécois call Ontarians slow drivers. I just said some of you does, and some of us does too. Why does it matter anyway?

This thread is going absolutely nowhere.

[digitalcraft]

I dunno I see people getting away with murder, robbery, and rape all the time but most people won't emulate it will they? The point is you can't argue that they should not be allowed to publish this. Sure its reckless and stupid I agree but in the grand scheme of things this wasn't the worst thing they could possibly do.

I hadn't realized we've been glorifying rapists and murderers as performing enviable actions. You know why we don't? Because that would be dumb and we don't want people emulating them. So, stop glorifying this incredibly irresponsible action.

[MRR]

I hadn't realized we've been glorifying rapists and murderers as performing enviable actions. You know why we don't? Because that would be dumb and we don't want people emulating them. So, stop glorifying this incredibly irresponsible action.


Really rap music encourages similarly terrible behavior but we still listen to it and pump millions of dollars towards recording studios and artists to listen to it.

I'm not glorifying what these guys did, I agree its wrong but I do believe they have the right to publish it as anyone should in a free western society.

[fisetdavid26]

Really rap music encourages similarly terrible behavior but we still listen to it and pump millions of dollars towards recording studios and artists to listen to it.

I'm not glorifying what these guys did, I agree its wrong but I do believe they have the right to publish it as anyone should in a free western society.
Why did you mention rap? He said rapists, not rappers...

[kigango123]

Why did you mention rap? He said rapists, not rappers...

:confused: :confused:

Stop this madness! You are hurting my brains.

[fisetdavid26]

:confused: :confused:

Stop this madness! You are hurting my brains.
Well I just don't understand why he said that, and I'm asking for an explanation... what's wrong with that? :confused:

[kigango123]

Well I just don't understand why he said that, and I'm asking for an explanation... what's wrong with that? :confused:

I didn't either, I just want to make this all this bickering go away :(, i mean how off topic have we got from racing to rapist to rappers, with consistent mention of murder and robbery in each and every page. Cmon'