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faksta
11-23-2007, 09:31 AM
1926-1932 Maserati Tipo 26. The Tipo 26 was the first Alfieri Maserati's self-developed car after he had left the Diatto company which he worked and raced for through 1922-1926. The car was presented in 1926, which gave it the name, and suddenly won the first race it attended - 1926 Targa Florio (1st in Voiturette class - up to 1500cc - and 9th in absolute) driven by Alfieri Maserati himself. Tipo 26 had straight 8 supercharged 1492,9cc engine capable of 120-128hp @ 5300-6000rpm, 3-speed gearbox and 2-seat aluminium body. The first-ever Maserati weighed 720-780kg depending on a version. Thanks to it Tipo 26 could run 180-200kmh. 11 cars were made, counting all its evolutions.

1-2. Maserati Tipo 26 at 1926 Targa Florio. Alfieri Maserati at the wheel.
3. Maserati Tipo 26 at 1926 Bologna-Lojano race driven by Alfieri's brother Ernesto Maserati.
4. Maserati Tipo 26 in 1926. Presumably (judging on a car numbers) the same event as the two first pictures.
5-6. Some strange (at least for me) version of Tipo 26 with different rear end (much longer and missing two spare wheels - looks more like Tipo 26B, but with vertical grille) and headlamps. Believing shorey.net, it is from 1926, too. Don't have some additional information, tho.

faksta
11-23-2007, 09:50 AM
1927-1930 Maserati Tipo 26B. After the international formula failed, Alfieri put a 2000cc engine to his Tipo 26 chassis. This was a beginning of a new Tipo 26B appeared in 1927 and debuted at 1927 Targa Florio (3rd place, Alfieri Maserati). The idea of the engine was quite the same - 8-cylinder straight supercharged unit. But instead of Tipo 26's 128hp it now offered 155hp @ 5300rpm, thanks to increased displacement (1980,5cc instead of 1492,9). Needless to say, Tipo 26B was heavier than the predecessor, but nevertheless top speed grew up to 210kmh. Also, a new car received a 4-speed gearbox. 6 cars were built and 2 more engines.

1-2. 1927 Maserati Tipo 26B.
3. Maserati Tipo 26B at 1928 Targa Florio (Diego de Sterlich, NC).
4. Tipo 26B at 1930 Targa Florio (Luigi Arcagneli, DNF).

Wouter Melissen
11-23-2007, 09:54 AM
5-6. Some strange (at least for me) version of Tipo 26 with different rear end (much longer and missing two spare wheels - looks more like Tipo 26B, but with vertical grille) and headlamps. Believing shorey.net, it is from 1926, too. Don't have some additional information, tho.
It might be a later version, they continuously developed the 26. The 26B with that shape has the friction dampers protrude into the bodypanel in front of the radiator.

faksta
11-23-2007, 10:31 AM
1928 Maserati Tipo 26MM. For Mille Miglia specially Alfieri made shortened version of Tipo 26 with the same 1500cc engine. Wheelbase now equalled 2580mm (2650mm before). Besides the wheelbase, some other major changes were inclined, such as strengthened suspension, increased fuel tank, lights, electric starter, fenders, fold-down top and running boards. Also the 26MM possessed a slightly modified body with wings above the wheels. Due to alkl those modifications, the car lost some speed (180kmh) and got some extra weight (840kg). 2 cars produced, one of which was modified in 1932 and received a 1752cc engine. According to statictics, both of them entered a 1928 Mille Miglia together with one Tipo 26B MM. One Tipo 26MM should have been driven by Pietro Brunori and U.Attili, but they didn't even start the race. And another car, driven by Carlo Tonini and Luigi Parenti finished 23rd.

1. Maserati Tipo 26MM (1928 Mille Miglia, presumably C.Tonini - L.Parenti).
2. Tipo 26MM running the 1932 Pontedecimo-Giovi hill climb competition.
3. Tipo 26MM blueprint.

faksta
11-23-2007, 11:04 AM
1928-1929 Maserati Tipo 26B MM. Alongside with Tipo 26MM four Migle Miglia cars were developed from 26B modification using the same 2 liter engine. The four Tipo 26B MM, as they were named, suffered the same changes as two 26MM cars. Maximum speed felt down to 200kmh, and weight raised to 840kg. Somehow only one of the four cars entered 1928 Mille Miglia. Driven by Ettore Maserati and Aymo Maggi it didn't finish. Next year saw the similar situation - the only started Maserati (Ettore Maserati - Baconin Borzacchini) didn't see the finish (moreover, some sources say that the modified #37 car was not a 26B MM, but a 26R 30, though 26R was a Grand Prix car, like 26 and 26B, and thus couldn't meet Mille Miglia regulations :confused: ).

1-2. Maserati Tipo 26B MM at 1929 Mille Miglia driven by Ettore Maserati and Baconin Borzacchini.

faksta
11-23-2007, 11:18 AM
1928 Maserati Tipo 26R. Being developed for a new formula with weight limited between 550 and 750 kg the 720kg 26R was derived from 26B car using modified chassis and a new 1690,7cc engine (140hp @ 6500rpm). Gearbox became 3-speed again, and the 2580mm wheelbase was just like being applied to MM cars. That time Maserati was the only Italian team to meet the new regulations, and that lead to some success in racing for 26R modification. Only 2 26R cars were made during 1928 season, but they also competed some time after the year of production.

1. Clemente Biondetti driving 26R at Real Premio of Rome in 1931.

faksta
11-23-2007, 11:34 AM
1929-1930 Maserati Tipo 26C. Usage of a new 1078,6cc engine straightly developed from Tipo 26's 1,5-litre unit and a lightweight Tipo 26R's chassis lead to a new car named Tipo 26C (also known as 8C 1100 - 8 cylinders, 1100cc, 'Corsa'). 26C in fact was not a succesful car, because of the weight. Alongside with 26C Sport 4 cars were made.

1. Maserati Tipo 26C driven by Baconin Borzacchini hits the road at 1930 Vittorio Veneto - Cansiglio.
2. Diego de Sterlich in Maserati 26C leads Mario Lepori's Bugatti T35C during 1929 Monaco Grand Prix.

faksta
11-23-2007, 11:39 AM
1929-1930 Maserati Tipo 26C Sport. Tipo 26C Sport was a modification of Tipo 26C prepared for such events as Mille Miglia. Unlike its Grand Prix relative, the Sport was much more succesful and brought Alfieri a victory in 1930 Real Premio of Rome and in 1931 Mille Miglia for Beppe Tuffanelli.

1. 1929-1930 Maserati Tipo 26C Sport (8C 1100).

faksta
11-23-2007, 02:16 PM
1929-1930 Maserati Tipo V4. The Tipo V4 appeared in 1929 and made its debut at Monza with Alfieri Maserati. The major idea of the V4 was a brand-new 22,5 degrees V16 supercharged engine. With significant 3961cc and 280-305hp @ 5500rpm it became the most powerful Maserati that time. The name reflected an idea - 'V' stood for V16, and '4' meant 4-liter engine. Reaching 260kmh, the car had to set up good results on tracks. And it did - driving the V4 in 1929 Baconin Borzacchini finished second in Circuito de Alessandria and in Tripoli Grand Prix. But the real success came with a land speed racord set up by Borzacchini on September 28, 1929. The V4 driven by him made 10km distance in 246.069kmh (153mph).
1930 saw the V4 prepared for Indianapolis 500 race. For that one race a 3-step gearbox was applied to a car instead of commonly used 4-step transmission. The odds should have been for Maserati in that race, but magneto problems kicked Borzacchini off the race after just 3 laps... Despite this, later this year he won Tripoli Grand Prix and Pontedecimo-Giovi hill climb and Ernesto Maserati finished first in 1931 Real Premio of Rome.
Of the two cars built, the one described above was a Grand Prix racing version, and the other car designed by Zagato was a sport version named V4 Zagato Grand Sport (or V4 Sport Zagato) made in 1930. Besides, the third, Castagna-bodied car was promised to be built, but somehow it didn't happen.

Some additional information and pictures of restored Tipo V4 and V4 Zagato Grand Sport could be seen here: Maserati Enthusiasts' Page (http://www.maserati-alfieri.co.uk/alfieri06iiii.htm).

1-2. 1929-1930 Maserati Tipo V4.
3. 1929 Maserati Tipo V4 with Baconin Borzacchini at the wheel.

faksta
11-24-2007, 05:01 AM
1930-1931 Maserati Tipo 26M (8C 2500). In 1930 Maserati developed a new 8-cylinder inline 2500cc supercharged engine and applied it to a new Grand Prix car - Tipo 26M. A new 185hp car won the first race it attended - 1930 Real Premio of Rome in the hands of Luigi Arcangeli. Later that year came victories in Coppa Ciano (Luigi Fagioli), Coppa Acerbo (Achille Varzi), Monza, Pescara and Spanish Grand Prix (Varzi again). In 1931 Tipo 26M won the Italian Grand Prix held at Monza again together with Luigi Fagioli. The last victory recorded to Tipo 26M's list was a 1934 Grand Prix de L'Albigeois - Team Whitney Straight's driver Rupert Featherstonehaugh finished first starting from the second line. 9 cars made.

1-3. Maserati Tipo 26M as produced in 1930-1931.
4. A new 2500cc engine standing in Tipo 26M.
5. Maserati Tipo 26M on track in 1930.
6. 1931 Targa Florio. Two Maserati 26M cars: #12 Rene Dreyfus passes Clemente Biondetti's car, which suffered an accident during the race.

faksta
11-24-2007, 05:33 AM
1930-1932 Maserati Tipo 26M Sport. Just like with Tipo 26 and Tipo 26B, Alfieri Maserati decided to make an endurance version of Tipo 26M and called it Tipo 26M Sport. Among 6 cars made during 1930-1931 three were based on sporting frames, one of which Castagna used for its four-seat version. Zagato's Tipo 26M Grand Sport became one of the first market targeted Maserati cars and had an attractive two-seat sport body. Two last cars were aimed to endurance racing in England and had four seats from the very beginning.

1. 1930-1932 Maserati Tipo 26M Sport. Not quite sure, but think it's the above Zagato version.
2. Maserati Tipo 26M Sport at Principle de Piedmonte Circuit in 1930 with Luigi Villoresi driving.

faksta
11-24-2007, 05:51 AM
1931-1932 Maserati 8C 2800. The new 2,8-liter Maserati appeared as a result of company's success in 1930 - the decision was made by Alfieri to hold the advantage and to make a new, more powerful car for the 1931 season. The new engine was actually a developed 2,5-liter one, but now it provided 205hp, and not 185 like the previous year. In 1931 8C 2800 driven by Fagioli won French Grand Prix at Montlhery and Italian Grand Prix at Monza (see Tipo 26M also - it's rather hard to diversify their records, as the chassis numbers were, as I realized, the same - just new engines were mounted on them). About 5 8C 2800's were made and some of them ran 1932 season because of Alfieri's death.

1. Maserati 8C 2800 (1931-1932).
2. 8C 2800 during some 1931 season race (if anybody knows the track and the driver, it would be greatly appreciated).
3. 1931 Monza winning car with Luigi Fagioli.
4. 1931 ACF-Montlhery Grand Prix, Ernesto Maserati.

P.S. I specially like the phrase 'Weber ASS mounted on compressor' at one of the sites while describing carburrettion system. :D

cmcpokey
11-24-2007, 11:25 AM
absolutely brilliant stuff like usual. Thanks very much for these pics.

Odin
11-24-2007, 12:08 PM
Exellent Work,
I found as far some actual Pics, but need a bit more information, to identify.
Jörg

Odin
11-24-2007, 12:13 PM
Some more,
some cars are maybe Recreations, made in England
.
Jörg

Odin
11-24-2007, 12:19 PM
More Cars,
I hope somebody can add some more.
Jörg

Odin
11-24-2007, 12:21 PM
Again
hope somebody can add some more.
Jörg

Odin
11-24-2007, 12:25 PM
I forgot the last pics. Sorry
Jörg

Odin
11-24-2007, 12:33 PM
Getting old,
mixed the Pics up
Jörg

Odin
11-24-2007, 12:35 PM
the last Tipo 8 CM Pics
Jörg

faksta
11-24-2007, 01:34 PM
Thanks for sharing the pics! And thanks, cmcpokey :)

The thread is not done yet ;)

BTW, Odin, we don't need to doubt about post #1 'strange car' (two last pics there) anymore, as your first post here contains the same DS8198 car named 1930 Tipo 26M (pic #5 in your post). And it seems to me that pics #3 and #4 in my post about Tipo 26M are of the same car. Didn't notice it before... Thanks :) And what did you mean by 'identifying'? Cuz your pics are named depending on models already. Chassis numbers or something?

Odin
11-24-2007, 02:45 PM
Sorry, I'm a little bit obsessed, with Pre-War Racing cars and specially with Maseratis. Unfortunatly there are only a few people in any Forum, who share this passion. My problem is, I'm living a little bit far away, so my only information is the net. When I think, that a few weeks ago was a great auction in London, with very important cars, like the Delage 15-8 S and no one did any report, with pictures, I feel very sad. Is only modern history important?
Thinking of the Maseratis, it blows my mind up, that you could transform a Grand Prix Car easy to a little streetracer and they did. These are for me real supercars. A used GP car, as daily driver, awesome.
There is little written about these cars, some are well known, but some, like DS 8198 and all Tipo 26s came to light in the last years. The oldest known Maserati is the Bonfanti Car. I read in the Enrico Page, that the V4 was recreated in England and the V5 in Italy, but with an original Engine. I think its great. But where came the others from? Do you know anything?

Chassis Numbers would be great. Anybody knows, which ID has Louwmans 8CM? How many still exists?

Jörg

henk4
11-25-2007, 01:53 AM
Sorry, I'm a little bit obsessed, with Pre-War Racing cars and specially with Maseratis. Unfortunatly there are only a few people in any Forum, who share this passion. My problem is, I'm living a little bit far away, so my only information is the net. When I think, that a few weeks ago was a great auction in London, with very important cars, like the Delage 15-8 S and no one did any report, with pictures, I feel very sad. Is only modern history important?
Thinking of the Maseratis, it blows my mind up, that you could transform a Grand Prix Car easy to a little streetracer and they did. These are for me real supercars. A used GP car, as daily driver, awesome.
There is little written about these cars, some are well known, but some, like DS 8198 and all Tipo 26s came to light in the last years. The oldest known Maserati is the Bonfanti Car. I read in the Enrico Page, that the V4 was recreated in England and the V5 in Italy, but with an original Engine. I think its great. But where came the others from? Do you know anything?

Chassis Numbers would be great. Anybody knows, which ID has Louwmans 8CM? How many still exists?

Jörg

Maseratis are in the pipeline for the main page. Here is Louwman at the wheel of the 8CM during this years FoS at Goodwood. Actually I did not notice/check:o a chassis plate.

Wouter Melissen
11-25-2007, 03:09 AM
3005.

faksta
11-25-2007, 04:46 AM
Actually one of the best places for identifying the Grand Prix chassis is still Kolumbus for me :rolleyes: But it contains info on limited seasons.

A brief #3005 history from kolumbus:


3005 and 3006 were narrow chassis cars raced by Sommer and Zehender in 1933. 3005 went back to the factory and was used by Taruffi. It was used by Sommer at Spa 1934 and then used in minor hillclimb events. It ended up in South Africa 1936 (Bill Roderick). 3005 was used by Zehender in 1934 first as a private entry , then as a works car.

DS-8198 car history :
13 (http://www.deutschermaseraticlub.de/chassisnumber-section/pre-war/tipo-26/13/index.html)
Thus, it appears not to be a 1930 car either, but 1926.

faksta
11-25-2007, 05:49 AM
1931-1936 Maserati 4CS 1100. Tipo 4CS 1100 appeared as a car to be used in both racing and sports events and had a new 1088cc engine with output of 90-115hp @ 5300-5600rpm. The car made its debut in 1931 in Monza as 4C, but soon rebadged to 4CTR - 'testa riporta' (removable cylinder head). Later appeared 4CM as a racing version and 4CS 1100 to become a sports variant. A very successful racer, Tipo 4CS 1100 won Mille Miglia four times in its class - in 1932 (4CTR 1100, driven by Giuseppe Tuffanelli and Guerino Bertocchi), 1934 (4CS 1100 - Piero Taruffi and Guerino Bertocchi), 1935 (4CS 1100, Ettore Bianco - Guerino Bertocchi) and 1936 (4CS 1100, Ettore Bianco - M.Boccali). In 1932 Brianza Bodyworks built a beautiful yellow spyder presented at that year Mialn Auto Show (what puzzles me is that the original and the modern pics stating seemingly the same car look completely different :confused: . Or are they just two different cars?). In common, 6 cars in sports version were produced.

1. Maserati 4CTR 1100. I suppose it could be a picture of Tuffanelli-Bertocchi at 1932 Mille Miglia.
2. 4CTR 1100 running a 1933 edition of Mille Miglia in the hands of Domenico Tabanelli and C.Borgnino.
3. 1933 Maserati 4CS 1100.
4. 'Original' pic of 1932 Brianza Spyder...
5. ...and the modern shot of Brianza.

faksta
11-25-2007, 07:10 AM
1932 Maserati Tipo V5. As a further development of last year's Formula Libre car - the Tipo V4 - Alfieri Maserati issued a new version by increasing displacement of actually the same coupled V16 engine to 5 liters. The result was impressing - 360hp applied to 1050kg weight lead to maximum speed of 270kmh, which let Amedeo Ruggeri make an attempt to set up a new land speed record in 1932. Record attempts became a major field of Maserati's business after it's founder's death in 1932. Besides, there was some influence from their new partner's side - Pirelli tyre company. Unfortunately, the chassis of V5 were outdated, and such powerful engine caused very strong strain to them. All in all, the trip to Montlhery for setting up the new world record in an outdated car wasn't a good idea. Moreover, Ruggeri had a very little experience of driving at Montlhery. After leaving the West banking on thirteenth lap, Amedeo was flunged out of the cockpit. The car was nearly destructed, Ruggeri died immediately. As for Grand Prix racing, the Tipo V5 was not successful there, too - partly because of Alfa Romeo's new Tipo B P3 cars, which despite on power leak were much lighter, partly because the V5 chassis' age and unreliability. After such failure a rebuilt after Ruggeri's fatal crash Tipo V5 ran only one race in 1934 - Tripoli Grand Prix driven by Piero Taruffi, but on sixth lap retired again because of Taruffi's own driving mistake. Besides automotive racing, those monumental V16 engines appeared at Count Theo Rossi's boat - Montelera XV (or, believing other sources, Baglietto XV). Two engines of opposed rotation were mounted on it, and brought success to Rossi - at 1933 Gardone competitions he reached 114mph - the highest speed for Gardone ever. Together with them, 3 5-liter V16 engines were made and only 1 complete car.

More on Maserati-engined boats here:
Maserati Motonautica (http://www.maserati-alfieri.co.uk/alfieri47.htm)

1. Maserati Tipo V5 in 1932.
2. 1932 Real Premio of Rome - Luigi Fagioli in Tipo V5.
3. 1932 Monza - Luigi Fagioli comes side by side with Tazio Nuvolari's Alfa Romeo Tipo B P3.
4. 1934 Tripoli GP - Piero Taruffi stands near to rebuilt Tipo V5. Photo courtesy of Igor Zanisi.
5. Here it is - 5-liter V16 engine, one of three. Photo courtesy of Igor Zanisi.

faksta
11-25-2007, 07:52 AM
1932-1937 Maserati 4CM 1100. To fit in Voiturette class in Grand Prix racing Maserati designed a new car. 4-cylinder straight engine already used in 4CS 1100 and the same car's chassis were taken, and a brand-new narrow aluminium body covered them. In fact, the 4CM 1100 became the first ever single-seater Maserati. Capable of 90 to 125hp, the new engine didn't add much weight to a car - the whole construction weighed 580kg, and the car could run at 185-210kmh. That let 4CM 1100 to record some victories in its list of success. One of the 4CM 1100 cars (#1120) was owned by Gino Rovere and further redeveloped by Giuseppe Furmanik. Furmanik's example finally had 143hp per liter, which was an absolutely outstanding result that times. In 1936 that car with remastered body was used for land speed record attempt. Some of the nine built cars later were rebuilt to fit in the new 1500cc engine.

1. 1932 Maserati 4CM 1100. Chassis #1116 - second built 4CM 1100.
2. 4CM 1100 in 1932 - gonna be Furmanik's car, judging on ornament at the bonnet.
3. Giuseppe Furmanik's 4CM 1100 in 1933.
4. 1935 Brooklands, Gino Rovere in his very own 4CM 1100.
5. 1936 Maserati 4CM 1100 'Record'.

Odin
11-25-2007, 08:29 AM
Here we go again,
the Brianza Spider was found 1948 in Eritrea and brought back to England. There it was several times rebodied. The MM Spider, of the destroyed Rosso Bianco Collection was years in the Briggs Cunningham Museum and had an independant front suspension. I don't know, she has an original Body, or was later modified.
Jörg

Odin
11-25-2007, 08:31 AM
Some more to complete

henk4
11-25-2007, 09:55 AM
some minor corrections.

The picture of the "original" Brianza spyder, to me looks like Chassis 1124, which is actually shown by Odin, but with a caption 4CS1500, which it is not. We saw the car last year at the Bonhams auction in Monaco, where the picture is taken.
The picture that Faksta shows clearly is show a vivid yellow car, as was presented by Brianza in 1932.

Odin
11-25-2007, 10:56 AM
The ex Kauss Maserati 4CS 1100 #1124 has an 1500cc Engine, for this I put 4CS 1500 MM. Would like to know, what is original in this car and what were later modifications. Anybody knows, who did the body? For me one of the most beautiful pre-war cars.
Jörg

henk4
11-25-2007, 11:30 AM
1124 was originally fitted with engine #1124. Delivered in March 1935 to Subalpina racing. Later owned by th Cunningham museum (before Kauss presumably). In april 1935 Subalpina took delivery of #1524, which was apparently a new chassis. (not like 1120 CM), which later got a 1500 cc engine, and is featured on the main page of Ultimatecarpage.

According to the Bonham's catalogue, issued during the sale in Monaco 2006. "probably before mid 1940 its original cycle-mudguard bodywork was replaced by the present well proportioned and well made enveloping body form" No name of the builder of the second body...

according to the same source, the 1500 cc engine now in the car may have been installed prior to participation of the 1938 Mille Miglia, but this is not confirmed.

henk4
11-25-2007, 11:45 AM
Jorg, the car wearing #66 is #1531. (got a shot of the plate on the dash...)

Odin
11-25-2007, 01:30 PM
Thank you Henk,
but according to my information, #1531 is a Tipo 6CM 1500.
I found this car #66 in Enricos Maserati Page, with description of a 4CM 1100, I have a Pic of the Engine, but is is to big, to upload.
Regards
Jörg

henk4
11-25-2007, 01:40 PM
Thank you Henk,
but according to my information, #1531 is a Tipo 6CM 1500.
I found this car #66 in Enricos Maserati Page, with description of a 4CM 1100, I have a Pic of the Engine, but is is to big, to upload.
Regards
Jörg

interesting, I saw 1531 at the Monaco Historic GP in 2006, and it did have a plate saying 4CM, and the 4 exhausts are clearly visible..and as it has no 66 I made the link to your pic. I did not make a shot from the front side...

I also found that officially 1531 is listed as a 6CM....so I added the shot of the plate...you can spot the same blue blanket on the engine cover..

Odin
11-25-2007, 02:36 PM
Some more pics of the Swiss 4CM,
Thats the problem with old Racing cars, maybe there are two cars, but only one ID. Lets hear, whats Facsta know about

Odin
11-25-2007, 03:32 PM
Henk, I scaled down the engine pic, so I can upload it.
I have another Question of a 1920-Ballot 2-LS Targa Florio Car. This Car was 2005? in Het Loo, do you have some information and some Pics, in your 'secret Archive', please?
Jörg

henk4
11-26-2007, 01:44 AM
Henk, I scaled down the engine pic, so I can upload it.
I have another Question of a 1920-Ballot 2-LS Targa Florio Car. This Car was 2005? in Het Loo, do you have some information and some Pics, in your 'secret Archive', please?
Jörg

further to 1531, (also in your pic with a 4 cylinder engine) it seems to have a chequered history, like many pre-war and also post war maseratis (three 250Fs with the same chassis 2523...). It's engine changed over time and also the body work. I need to do more reading.

I have seen a 1922 Ballot 2LS that came to the 2007 Goodwood Festival of Speed, but it was said to be a road car, and no TF model. Did not go to Het Loo in 2005.

faksta
11-26-2007, 05:21 AM
Some more pics of the Swiss 4CM,
Thats the problem with old Racing cars, maybe there are two cars, but only one ID. Lets hear, whats Facsta know about

I'll search a bit later :)

faksta
11-26-2007, 08:21 AM
I don't know French, but it seems to me that here an owner of #1531 is interviewed:

http://www.motorlegend.com/competition/maserati-4-cm-de-r--lodge/6,6990.html

I think you'd better click the upper link and read yourself if you know French, but as I understood it, chassis #1531 is basically a 6CM used by Rossi in 1936-1937, but later the engine was replaced by 4CM version and was used by Harry Schell in 1948. Not sure, cause my French, as I have already said, is horrible...

BTW, Pieter, at the pic of the numberplate you provided, it could be seen that the plate was changed somehow (at least, it seems to me so), especially that ornament under the '4' figure... Maybe Schell changed it together with the engine?

And yes, the last - I found that soke version were made of 4CS 1500 using bodies by Campari, Sorniotto and Menarini. What I know for sure is that #1124 is not Menarini. I've got a pic of Menarini car and will post it soon.

EDIT: Though here the info is completely different...

Detail - Tipo 6 CM s/n 1531 (http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Maserati/Detail/1531.6.CM.htm)

henk4
11-26-2007, 08:31 AM
well yes that is the car obviously. so that is solved. (Robin Lodge stopped racing a while ago, and both his Dino recreations were sold)
as far as the body of 1124 is concerned, I think it will be difficult to establish as even Bonhams does not mention a name in their sales catalogue.

faksta
11-26-2007, 08:51 AM
Nah..just found that Campari&Sorniotti bodywork was applied to a chassis #1516 and #1519, Menarini is #1517.

Odin
11-26-2007, 10:35 AM
I'll never stop learning,
maybe the car, I put with #1531 is wrong, or a second one. I found it with this # in Enricos and barchetta cc page. Like I told you before, I'm to far away to check it personaly.
To the 250 F, I can tell you, the person, who bought the 12C-37 Alfa in Argentine, found all 250 F, less one in southamerica, as well as many 300 S and others, but all without engines. They are all refabricated, mostly in England and I'm shure, they did others to, as well, as complete cars. It was long before the argentinian startet, rebuilding cars. He found cars, standing in the street, in front of shops. 3 Cars, for 5000 USD and nobody wanted them. The engines were mostly used for speedboats.
Would like to go back in time.
Jörg

faksta
12-09-2007, 06:47 AM
1932-1936 Maserati 4CS 1500. There was actually no need to build the V5 to realize that the present Tipo 26 chassis are getting old. To fix the disadvantage, the new 1,5-liter 4CS 1500 was developed. This was the first car Ernesto Maserati worked on alongside with Alfieri. The car was quite similar to 1100 model, but took some advantages, such as hydraulic brakes in 1935 (before 1935 - mechanically operated). Moreover, it used bore and stroke from the 'elder brother' - 8C 3000, which also appeared in 1932. Engine power was quite sufficient for 1,5-liter car - 115hp @ 5000rpm. As for the performance, inline 4-cylinder engined car that weighed just 630 kilos, was capable of 170kmh. Prepared mainly for sports events, not racing, 4CS 1500 entered Mille Miglia several times - during 1934-1936. In 1934 the car with Campari&Sorniotto bodywork (Ippolito Berrone - P. Bortolini) didn't see the chequered flag, the same could be said for 1935 participants - Luigi Scarfiotti and M.Penati in #1524 car, suffered accident. But finally in 1936 the 4CS 1500 #1529 took 5th place in Mille Miglia driven by Omobono Tenni and Guerino Bertocchi. Besides sports events, 4CS 1500 attended some circuit races, until 4CM 1500 replaced it. Through 1932-1936 7 cars were made, including Menarini and Campari&Sorniotto - bodied cars.

1. 4CS 1500 in 1932.
2. 4CS 1500 during 1934 Parma-Poggio di Berceto driven by Ippolito Berrone. EDIT: I couldn't prove my thoughts, but I'm gonna think that this is the Campari&Sorniotto-bodied car...
3. 4CS 1500 with Menarini body in 1936 Mille Miglia (Giovanni Rocco - Filippone). Though at official Mille Miglia database the car is named '8C 26B 2000 Menarini'. It seems to me, that the engine was replaced by 2,0-liter unit. Though I can't explain why '26B', as it was a completely different car.

Odin
12-09-2007, 08:11 AM
Can't find any survivor of the 4CS 1500. Anyone knows something?
Regards
Jörg

faksta
12-09-2007, 08:26 AM
This is a recent pic from some of the Maserati fanclub sites. Unfortunately, I don't remember the site. And I don't know whether it is an authentic car or a copy.

Odin
12-09-2007, 09:10 AM
Hi Alex,
this Car is #1126 a Tipo 4CS 1100, it is known for many years, seems to be original.
Regards
Jörg

faksta
12-09-2007, 01:26 PM
Hi Alex,
this Car is #1126 a Tipo 4CS 1100, it is known for many years, seems to be original.
Regards
Jörg

Thanks, Jorg!
Cause it was identified as 4CS 1500, and I was stuck a bit because of its exterior :)

peconga
03-19-2008, 12:56 AM
What a wealth of knowledge here about pre-war Maserati race cars! I am more familiar with post-war Maserati GT cars, so I need your help in identifying an unknown car which I photographed in September 1974 at the Kruse Brother's Auction in Auburn, Indiana.

Unfortunately, I have long since lost the program from the auction, and have no other information about the car. I recently contacted Kruse directly, but their records were put into archive long ago (well, it is 34 years ago!). I always thought it was a special bodied Alfa Romeo, since that is what I wrote on the back of the snapshot. But that was years ago and could be a lapse of memory. The photo is too indistinct to make out the badge on the nose, but could be either an Alfa or a Maserati Trident logo.

Based on the information here, and my quick research elsewhere, I now wonder if it is a 4CS of some sort. The similarity of this unknown car to 4CS #1124 (the Cunningham / Rosso Bianco car) is very striking, but there are also a number of detail differences. There is certainly nothing like it in Orsini & Zagari. Could this be 4CS #1123 before it was re-bodied by Maserati SpA in 1977, and then later by Sean Danaher? Or is it a re-bodied 4CM? Or something else?

The only thing better than a good mystery, is seeing it solved!

Cheers!
Doug alias Peconga
Boise, Idaho USA

henk4
03-19-2008, 03:17 AM
Welcome Peconga,

I would not be surprised if your car would indeed be 4CS#1123

Detail - Tipo 4 CS 1100 s/n 1123 (http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Maserati/Detail/1123.4.CS.1100.htm)

Apparently it was in the USA in the seventies, and was fitted with a new body in 1977, and the way the old body is described, makes it look like it is "your" car.

AymoMaggi
05-01-2009, 03:56 AM
Dear Faksta, I was impressed by your competence on Mille Miglia. As I am nephiew of Aymo Maggi (my mother, Eleonora Maggi, is daughter of his brother) I would be really interested in a photograph of my uncle driving the Maserati 26B at the Mille Miglia '28, have you any idea of where it is possible to find it?
Many thanks in advance for your kind reply and ciao from Brescia,
Luca Salvi


1928-1929 Maserati Tipo 26B MM. Alongside with Tipo 26MM four Migle Miglia cars were developed from 26B modification using the same 2 liter engine. The four Tipo 26B MM, as they were named, suffered the same changes as two 26MM cars. Maximum speed felt down to 200kmh, and weight raised to 840kg. Somehow only one of the four cars entered 1928 Mille Miglia. Driven by Ettore Maserati and Aymo Maggi it didn't finish. Next year saw the similar situation - the only started Maserati (Ettore Maserati - Baconin Borzacchini) didn't see the finish (moreover, some sources say that the modified #37 car was not a 26B MM, but a 26R 30, though 26R was a Grand Prix car, like 26 and 26B, and thus couldn't meet Mille Miglia regulations :confused: ).

1-2. Maserati Tipo 26B MM at 1929 Mille Miglia driven by Ettore Maserati and Baconin Borzacchini.

faksta
05-01-2009, 03:30 PM
Welcome, AymoMaggi!
I will try to find the picture, but unfortunately can't promise anything.
It is also about time to decrease a number of my unfinished threads here...

henk4
05-02-2009, 12:52 AM
Welcome, AymoMaggi!
I will try to find the picture, but unfortunately can't promise anything.
It is also about time to decrease a number of my unfinished threads here...

Pleas don't decrease, but complete them:)

faksta
05-02-2009, 01:23 AM
That's what I meant, of course :)

faksta
05-02-2009, 04:34 AM
Luca, this is what I have found in the web:

http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/miglia28b.jpg
http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/miglia28c.jpg
http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/images/miglia28d.jpg

Car #39 is what you need. All the pictures belong to Dennis David's website (as linked to). It is also good that you have pointed out my previous message, as I have found a mistake there. Of course, Aymo Maggi drove a 26B MM in 1928 Mille Miglia together with Ernesto Maserati, not Ettore. 1929 entry should also be changed: Ernesto Maserati - Baconin Borzacchini. Ettore didn't drive the cars in races, as far as I'm aware.

Paul Jaray
05-07-2009, 10:07 AM
Great stuff Faksta!

faksta
05-07-2009, 10:32 AM
Great stuff Faksta!

Thanks and welcome! Great to see you here :)

Maseratinut
05-19-2009, 06:23 AM
This is a recent pic from some of the Maserati fanclub sites. Unfortunately, I don't remember the site. And I don't know whether it is an authentic car or a copy.

The car is 4CS chassis no 1126. It was the actual winner of the 1100cc class in the 1935 and 1936 Mille Miglia races, was entered in the 1937 race, but retired with a broken engine. The new body was fitted by Lurani for an entry in the 1938 Portuguese Grand Prix, but Lurani crashed his 4CM at Crystal Palace two weeks before and broke his hip, so the car was not raced by Scuderia Ambrosiana again, but was sold to a Chinese businessman in Singapore in 1939. The Japanese army confiscated the car, but it was rescued from them and buried for the rest of the war. I bought its mortal remains in 1969 and rebuilt it to its 1938 specification. It is now owned by my son.Maseratinut

Wouter Melissen
05-19-2009, 08:44 AM
Maseratinut,

Thanks for your input. We have actually shot this car and will add it to the 4CS 1100 feature on the main page (Ultimatecarpage.com - Powered by knowledge, driven by passion (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com)).

Maseratinut
05-22-2009, 06:01 AM
Picture No 4 is not a Brianza body, but a non-original body fitted to chassis no 1124, which is currently being restored to original specification. The body shown was probably fitted just before, or just after the war.

Maseratinut

Maseratinut
05-22-2009, 06:15 AM
What a wealth of knowledge here about pre-war Maserati race cars! I am more familiar with post-war Maserati GT cars, so I need your help in identifying an unknown car which I photographed in September 1974 at the Kruse Brother's Auction in Auburn, Indiana.

Unfortunately, I have long since lost the program from the auction, and have no other information about the car. I recently contacted Kruse directly, but their records were put into archive long ago (well, it is 34 years ago!). I always thought it was a special bodied Alfa Romeo, since that is what I wrote on the back of the snapshot. But that was years ago and could be a lapse of memory. The photo is too indistinct to make out the badge on the nose, but could be either an Alfa or a Maserati Trident logo.

Based on the information here, and my quick research elsewhere, I now wonder if it is a 4CS of some sort. The similarity of this unknown car to 4CS #1124 (the Cunningham / Rosso Bianco car) is very striking, but there are also a number of detail differences. There is certainly nothing like it in Orsini & Zagari. Could this be 4CS #1123 before it was re-bodied by Maserati SpA in 1977, and then later by Sean Danaher? Or is it a re-bodied 4CM? Or something else?

The only thing better than a good mystery, is seeing it solved!

Cheers!
Doug alias Peconga
Boise, Idaho USA

This is actually chassis number 1124, which came into the UK from Eritrea after the war and was almost certainly re-bodied here at the time. The picture I am sending shows the car competing in the International Prescott Hillclimb on 22nd September 1946.
Maseratinut

Wouter Melissen
05-22-2009, 06:41 AM
Do you know if any of the 1500 cars have survived? I have not seen any of them.

faksta
05-22-2009, 11:00 PM
Maseratinut, thanks for your help!

Maseratinut
05-23-2009, 11:02 AM
I seem to be having trouble attaching pictures, so her is another attempt to include the pic of 4CS 1114 competing at the International Prescott Meeting in 1946

Wouter Melissen
05-23-2009, 11:03 AM
That worked excellently!

Maseratinut
05-25-2009, 08:45 AM
Can't find any survivor of the 4CS 1500. Anyone knows something?
Regards
Jörg

This is what I can discover about the existence or otherwise of all the 4CS models:

1113: 1100cc. Went to the Rome Agency, 6/4/32, possibly for a Mr Tomeucci
I can find no positive information about this car, but it is NOT the 4CTR referred to in many events. This chassis number does not tally with the
Mille Miglia records for the 4CTR.

1114: 1100cc. Went to Mr Silva, the Milan Agency, for the Brianza body to be fitted and shown at the V Salone dell'Automobile, Milan 12-27 April 1932. It was formally consigned to the Agency on 30th June 1932.

1123; 1100cc. Completed on 16/1/35 and driven away by the new owner, there is some confusion here, the factory shows him as Luigi Bergamini, but the contemporary magazines describe the driver as either Morris or Norris Bergamini. I suspect that Norris is simply a misprint. Bergamini also purchased 4CM 1127 and there is some confusion regarding these two, because the engine of 1127 was replaced by that of 1123. In monoposto form, the car was sold to a man in Australia, it was temporarily imported into England in 1988 and restored as a two-seater and the engine converted to 1500cc.

1124: 1100cc. Completed 15/2/35 for Scuderia Subalpina and entered in the 1935 Mille Miglia, but failed to finish. Mille Miglia Museum records do not show the chassis number of this car, but since the team only ever owned two 4CS cars and the second was a 1500cc model, there is little doubt about the chassis number of this car. At some stage, possibly post-war the car was fitted with a pretty, but very heavy, pointed tail two seater body and, after this was done, converted to Fiat(?) independent front suspension. After some time in the Cunningham and Kaus collections, the car was sold and is now being restored to original specification.

1126: 1100cc originally, completed on 15/3/35 for Ettore Bianco. Fitted with a 1500 cc engine and more modern style body by Lurani in 1938. In 1939 the car was sold to a Chinese businessman in Singapore, who sold it again shortly before the Japanese invasion of Malaya. The new owner was tortured and killed by the Kempetai and the car confiscated. It was 'rescued' by a friend then dismantled and buried for the rest of the war. It changed hands again after the war but was never fully restored as so many original parts were missing. I bought its remains in 1969 and restored it over the next 18 years. It is now owned and raced by my son.

1516: 1500cc. Completed 31/3/33 for Count 'Johnny' Lurani, who fitted a body to his own design. When he was called to serve in the Italian forces, he sold the car to Ippolito Berrone and a new body (by Campari and Sorniotti?) was fitted. The last known appearance of this car was in the Semmering Hillclimb on 24th September 1935. It is not known if it still exists.

1517: 1500cc. Completed on 24/2/33 for Professor Galeazzi of Rome and the factory specification sheet states that it was fitted with a Zagato body. The pictures in the Orsini/Zagari book describing this chassis number with a Menarini body are incorrect and show Rocco/Filippone in Rocco's 26B 2000. As a matter of interest, the only race number in this event to appear on two Maseratis was no 20, which was allocated to Tuffanelli/ Bertocchi in the 4CTR 1100 in the 1932 race and Strazza/ Baldini in 4CS 1124 in the 1935 race. The last known appearance of 1517 was in the Stelvio hillclimb on 30/8/36. It is not known if it still exists.

1518: 1100cc, notwithstanding its "15" chassis number. (Trust me, I have a copy of the factory specification sheet.) This car was completed on 7/4/33 for Bepe Tuffanelli. In 1934 it was returned to the factory, the specification sheet for 1520 states "replacing 1518", which suggests that 1520 was a brand new car and not a re-engined and re-numbered example.

1519: 1500cc. Completed 17/2/34 for Count "Johnny" Lurani. Although Lurani claimed in his book "Racing Round the World" that the Campari and Sornioti body was brand new, it is identical to the body fitted earlier to 1516 and is not the body shown on the car when owned by Berrone. 1519 was eventually sold to Aldo Marazza, who was killed whilst racing a works Maserati 6C. This is another car that is lost without trace.

1520: 1500 cc. Sold to Ulrich Maag, Hesselberg. 19/6/34 and later to Hans Reusch, who modified it extensively, fitting a 6C engine and Dubonnet IFS.
This is ostensibly the car featured in the "Schlumph" museum, but there appear to be few, if any genuine Maserati parts other than a 6C engine left on this car. A British collector claims to have collected the discarded parts that still existed and these parts are currently being rebuilt in England.

1524: 1500cc. Sold to Scuderia Subalpina, 4/4/35 and entered in the 1935 Mille Miglia, where it crashed, killing several spectators. I can find no further records of this car and suspect that it was written off in the accident.

1529: 1500cc originally, but modified to 1100cc when sold to Franco Bertani by the factory 0n 17/11/36. Last recorded event was a German hillclimb, described in Italian magazines as the "Grand Primio Tedesco della Montagna" on 7/8/37.

There you go, 40 plus years of research in one simple list!

Maseratinut

henk4
05-26-2009, 12:39 AM
and what a labour of love, thanks for that.

Maseratinut
06-23-2010, 02:18 PM
Do any of you know what the body builder Menarini's badge looked like in the thirties? I have pictures of a 4CS that is supposed to have a Menarini body, but the badge on the driver's door looks suspiciously like a Zagato badge of the period (1932). A picture of an original Menarini badge would solve this problem once and for all!

Maseratinut

Ferrer
06-24-2010, 05:43 AM
This is the best I've been able to find.

http://www.wheelsofitaly.com/wiki/images/archive/8/8d/20081130040813!Menarinilogo.jpg

Menarini - WOI Encyclopedia Italia (http://www.wheelsofitaly.com/wiki/index.php/Menarini)

Hope it helps.

Maseratinut
07-05-2010, 03:09 AM
Many thanks for putting me on to this, but I wonder if anyone knows when the factory began to use this design and if it has ever been altered. Difficult questions I know, but worht asking!

Maseratinut

amc
07-10-2010, 05:17 AM
very nice

Maseratinut
09-30-2010, 09:42 AM
Does anyone know if 4CM 1127 is still around? In my brief histories of the 4CS cars I said that 1127 received the engine of 1123, which I now believe to be wrong! I would love to know the actual numbers stamped on the engine, gearbox and rear axle of 1127 if it still exists.

I will update my brief histories soon, Even after 40 years of research I have found that much of what I wrote is incorrect!

Maseratinut

Odin
10-09-2010, 09:53 PM
Not shure, but I think Marcel Roks sold it some years ago.

henk4
10-10-2010, 12:14 AM
Not shure, but I think Marcel Roks sold it some years ago.

Welcome back....:)

Odin
10-11-2010, 09:54 PM
Thanks,
this car was offered as #1127

henk4
10-11-2010, 11:36 PM
Thanks,
this car was offered as #1127

yep, that is in front of the Roks building, see the Ruttchen logo with the Mercedes stars there.

James_alex
10-13-2010, 08:31 AM
Hi..
I heard about Maserati racing cars and few cars like Maserati MC12, Maserati 5000 GT Coupe and A GranCabrio. I also saw the pictures which you uploaded and i really like them and I have some pictures of Maserati A GranCabrio. These cars are really very good and popular racing cars. The Maserati MC12 is the fantastic car with a powerful engine and great aerodynamics.

Thanks... :)

Maseratinut
10-13-2010, 01:30 PM
Many thanks for the picture of 1127, but just how long ago was the car sold? I suspect it was some time ago, could be in the 1970s or 1980s? The rear suspension is not right for an early 4CM, but looks the same as was fitted to 1123 when it was converted to monoposto. When that car came to the UK it was discovered that the chassis was from a 4CS, but it had been inverted, reversed, narrowed and the curve over the rear axle (which now formed the front of the chassis) cut off and replaced with lengths of straight channel. The rear suspension was based on the 6CM, with long quarter-elliptic springs and at some time independent front suspension fitted. Every major component was and still is stamped 1123. Both cars had been owned originally by Bergamini, but 1123 was sold in 1937 and was still active in Eritrea right up to Christmas Day 1938. After that we lose track of it. It would appear that at some point after its conversion to single seater the car was assumed to be Bergamini's old 1127 and re-numbered. This is the puzzle I am trying to resolve. Who did the conversion and when?

Maseratinut

Magnum9987
10-14-2010, 11:17 AM
My favorite Maserati race car has to be the 1956 Maserati 250F.

I love the cigar racers, and jeeze, that was such a good looking car. And I like the tantra of them. Hardcore. Power drum brakes, solid rear axles, carbs, Wheels as thick as your wrist. Thats when racing was hardcore.

1954 - 1956 Maserati 250F - Images, Specifications and Information (http://ultimatecarpage.com/car/438/Maserati-250F.html)

csl177
10-14-2010, 01:34 PM
Agreed, one of my favorites as well. This is #2523 at the 2009 Cavallino Classic.

Odin
10-15-2010, 02:26 PM
Many thanks for the picture of 1127, but just how long ago was the car sold? I suspect it was some time ago, could be in the 1970s or 1980s? The rear suspension is not right for an early 4CM, but looks the same as was fitted to 1123 when it was converted to monoposto. When that car came to the UK it was discovered that the chassis was from a 4CS, but it had been inverted, reversed, narrowed and the curve over the rear axle (which now formed the front of the chassis) cut off and replaced with lengths of straight channel. The rear suspension was based on the 6CM, with long quarter-elliptic springs and at some time independent front suspension fitted. Every major component was and still is stamped 1123. Both cars had been owned originally by Bergamini, but 1123 was sold in 1937 and was still active in Eritrea right up to Christmas Day 1938. After that we lose track of it. It would appear that at some point after its conversion to single seater the car was assumed to be Bergamini's old 1127 and re-numbered. This is the puzzle I am trying to resolve. Who did the conversion and when?

Maseratinut

The Car was offered ca.2003-2004, together with #1125.

James_alex
10-19-2010, 06:33 AM
Hi...

At that time these cars are famous racing cars but now a days we can see them in the museums or some historic place. I saw this car running on the racing track and it was very fast car of that time. I am searching for the small model of this car for my car collection.

Thanks... :)

csl177
11-03-2010, 07:00 PM
Hi...

At that time these cars are famous racing cars but now a days we can see them in the museums or some historic place. I saw this car running on the racing track and it was very fast car of that time. I am searching for the small model of this car for my car collection.

Thanks... :)

Here ya go: http://www.motorsportcollector.com/CMCMaserati250F.html

I have several CMC models, exceptional detail for the price. The Ferrari 500F2 is amazing so expect this one to equal it. :)

Maseratinut
11-16-2010, 12:53 PM
The Car was offered ca.2003-2004, together with #1125.

Sorry, but that date has to be wrong, since the car was converted back to 4CS specification with the work starting in 1990. Can anyone help solve this mystery?

Maseratinut

henk4
11-16-2010, 01:45 PM
Sorry, but that date has to be wrong, since the car was converted back to 4CS specification with the work starting in 1990. Can anyone help solve this mystery?

Maseratinut

Perhaps somebody is able to identify who offered the car in 2003-04? Who owned 1125 at that time? Was 1127 not offered in 4CS spec?

Maseratinut
11-29-2010, 10:40 AM
Let me try to clarify the very confused post-war history of 1123, also known as 1127:

Both cars were bought new by Bergamini, the 4CS 1123 in January 1935 and the 4CM 1127 in July 1937. Bergamini raced 1123 regularly up to September 1936, but sold it back to the factory in January 1937, retaining 1127.

In March 1937, the factory sold 1123 to Bartolomeo Negro, who lived in Eritrea. He raced the car on at least two occasions, on 23rd May 1937 and on Christmas Day 1938. Photographs of this event show that the car was still in its original 4CS form.

It is not known when 1123 left Eritrea, but at some point it was converted to single-seater format. The chassis was heavily modified in the process. It was stripped down and the cross-members removed, then turned upside down and turned back to front, with the inverted original front end narrowed to form an under-slung rear end with quarter elliptic springs as on the later 6CMs. It is believed that, at the same time, the former rear end was cut off and a narrowed new length of chassis fabricated and welded into place to take independent front suspension. The centre part of the chassis was now slightly narrower than its original form, but still considerably wider than a straight-sided 4CM chassis. The side members were extensively drilled with "lightening holes" of varying diameters along the entire length of the chassis. The side members were boxed in.

By the early 1970s, the car was in a "Texan Speedway Museum" with a modern-style sports body fitted. It was later sold to an American owner who removed the body and, in 1973, sent the chassis to Orsi S.A. in Italy for restoration.

During the restoration, it was discovered that all the running gear was stamped 1123, but apparently it was mistakenly assumed that the chassis was from 1127, although it bore no resemblance to the 4CM design. Orsi also stated that they had been told that the very unusual independent front suspension was designed by Count "Johnny" Lurani.

In 1981, the car was sold to an Australian and the car was given an Australian CAMS Vehicle Logbook. I have no evidence whether it was shown as 1123 or 1127.

In 1983 or '84, the car was sold again, but the new owner did not keep it for long and it was bought by Rudy Pas, possibly in 1984. It is likely that the picture on Marcel Rok's website dates for this time.

By 1988, the car had changed hands again and was sent to an English Maserati restorer. Here, all the parts, including the chassis, were identified as being from 1123, no parts from 1127 were found. The car was restored to 4CS format, the work beginning in 1990.

In 1992, the restoration was complete and the car used in competitions including Vintage Sports Car Club races, Nurbergring and the Mille Miglia.

In December 1994, the car was auctioned by Sothebys at the RAF Museum, Hendon, England. Its current owner continues to compete in the car, still in its two seat 4CS form.

Maseratinut

henk4
11-29-2010, 02:02 PM
Very interesting, so when you say it was brought back to 4CS format, was the chassis repaired into its original shape, and all the post-Eritrea changes undone?

Maseratinut
11-30-2010, 01:07 PM
Yes, the car was restored to as close to the original 4CS specification as possible. The only major differences are the body, which is subtly different from the original and has the choice of cycle wings or a set of long flowing fronts and the conversion of the engine to wet sump, with only one oil pump. This may have been done at an earlier time, as I was asked if I could supply drawings of an original catch tank. The factory must have considered a wet sump as an option, as the patterns for the crank case have provision for an oil dip stick .

Once the car was stripped down and the chassis examined in detail it was fairly obvious what had been done to convert it to a monoposto format that wasn't anything like an original 4CM chassis. The original mounting holes for the steering box and the spring hangers were still in place and some original cross members used in the conversion still fitted perfectly when the chassis was re-formed to its original shape.

The restorer and I live under an hour apart and he has done a considerable amount of work on our car, 1126, so I know, trust and like the man.

henk4
11-30-2010, 01:16 PM
so are you part of this crowd?
Edit: Silverstone Classic, 2005

Maseratinut
12-01-2010, 01:37 PM
Sorry, No. The guy in the blue racing suit is my son Adam, who now owns the car.

Alegre
12-02-2010, 05:38 AM
Great cars thank´s a lot

zuzulo56
04-19-2011, 09:42 AM
Had the occasion, a few times, to get behind the wheel of a 250F...and 'ave a go of it, what? Now the cornering & shifting may not be "spot on", but(t) one needs realize that I have only one usable leg. It gets more than a little busy dancing on the pedals this way. (Oh, & I should allow you to know that I reference SIM rides): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA_YVAkJXlE&feature=related

ketil3
01-03-2021, 11:02 AM
The Tipo 26 is suspiciously similar to the "Itala special" that Materassi drove 1925 until he crashed in Rome 1927.

Sleeper13
05-03-2021, 04:28 AM
These early Maseratis are very nice... :-)

jbuenavides
05-04-2021, 04:54 PM
It's been a while since I've seen these classic Maserati cars. I had fun browsing this old thread.

homerrichards
01-28-2022, 12:48 AM
These cars played an important role when I was in my teen years. I wonder if there is a modern version of these? Anyway, thanks for the nostalgic pictures!