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Rockefella
02-01-2008, 05:27 PM
Now, this one can be expanded if you guys would like. This would be the first ever instance of a UCP COTY so I can seperate this into something like, best North American Car, best overall, best european, best under 50k, etc. However, I think it's best just to do an overall Car of the Year where the winner can be anything from the Fiat 500 to a Lamborghini Reventon.

Discuss.

Cotterik
02-01-2008, 05:29 PM
Audi R8. best european car/COTY

hec16
02-01-2008, 05:30 PM
Audi R8. best european car/COTY

I was just going to nominate the same:D

clutch-monkey
02-01-2008, 05:37 PM
GT3RS
but!
the Reventon is a hell of an awesome/daring car

fisetdavid26
02-01-2008, 05:38 PM
Lamborghini Reventůn. It's outrageous. Expensive. Exclusive. Fast. I couldn't ask for anything more.

Quiggs
02-01-2008, 05:39 PM
ZR1.

*Does it have to be an all-new model for this year?

Rockefella
02-01-2008, 05:48 PM
ZR1.

*Does it have to be an all-new model for this year?

The car had to be released/updated in 2007.

baddabang
02-01-2008, 06:10 PM
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 RFE.

2ndclasscitizen
02-01-2008, 06:31 PM
Lamborghini Reventůn. It's outrageous. Expensive. Exclusive. Fast. I couldn't ask for anything more.

What he said.

Rockefella
02-01-2008, 06:39 PM
I'm going to be different and I'll say the Cadillac CTS. This looks like GM's first LEGITIMATE re-entry into the upscale sedan market. Plus, everyone already voted for the Reventon.

Was the Alfa 8c released in 2007?

Kitdy
02-01-2008, 07:03 PM
ZR1 I don't think is eligible. I am not sure what I would call car of the year but I want to nominate cars that I feel have fallen through the cracks, so I nominate the 430 Scuderia.

coolieman1220
02-01-2008, 07:32 PM
new skyline or new M3

F1_Master
02-01-2008, 07:52 PM
The GT-R & Reventon are regarded to as 2008 models, so I don't think they exactly meet the requirements.

EDIT*
I'll support the Reventon since it's a valid nomination.

fisetdavid26
02-01-2008, 08:03 PM
The GT-R & Reventon are regarded to as 2008 models, so I don't think they exactly meet the requirements.

But I also nominate the Audi R8.
They were still introduced in 2007... The ZR1 is regarded as a 2009MY anyway.

F1_Master
02-01-2008, 08:07 PM
They were still introduced in 2007... The ZR1 is regarded as a 2009MY anyway.
Yes, but Rocke said released/updated in 2007. The Reventon was only shown in 2007. The car will be released to the public as a 2008 model. Reventon's 1-20 will finally roll off the assembly line in 2008 as well.

However, if Rocke considers it a valid nomination, then I'll nominate that.

Rockefella
02-01-2008, 08:10 PM
Yes, but Rocke said released/updated in 2007. The Reventon was only shown in 2007. The car will be released to the public as a 2008 model. Reventon's 1-20 will finally roll off the assembly line in 2008 as well.

However, if Rocke considers it a valid nomination, then I'll nominate that.

I don't want to get too technical. Since there have been press releases and official media shots of the car, it will count as released in my book. I suppose if a car is only seen in spy shots, that would count as still under covers, and hasn't been released. The new Challenger would be an example of the latter.

F1_Master
02-01-2008, 08:28 PM
I don't want to get too technical. Since there have been press releases and official media shots of the car, it will count as released in my book. I suppose if a car is only seen in spy shots, that would count as still under covers, and hasn't been released. The new Challenger would be an example of the latter.
Ok. All I needed was your clarification. I'll change my nomination then. :)

ScionDriver
02-01-2008, 08:48 PM
R8, its amazing.

zeppelin
02-01-2008, 09:41 PM
Audi R8 for sure. After seeing one ripping down Parliament Street, I'm convinced it's the winner.

Lotec_Sirius
02-01-2008, 10:07 PM
Koenigsegg CCXR
Ferrari F430 Scuderia
Lamborghini Reventon
Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1

chris98891
02-01-2008, 10:44 PM
im pretty sure audi will take this comp no matter what, but DEFINITELY the S5. ive seen 4 or 5 of them by now and it just gets sexier and sexier. the interior is pissyourpants sexy and the drive is pissyourpants awesome. plus, its mildly practical with a mildly practical pricetag. mildly.

Cyco
02-01-2008, 11:58 PM
Koenigsegg CCXR
BMW M3

jediali
02-02-2008, 03:20 AM
Tata Nano :D...or Auid R8

acfsambo
02-02-2008, 05:11 AM
i vote the Koenigsegg CCXR cause its outragously fast but oh so 'green', and the Audi R8 cause of its beauty and sole.

faksta
02-02-2008, 05:41 AM
Porsche 911 GT3/GT3 RS. I hope, I didn't forget to remember anything, but of those I did Porsche's are the best choice.
Among more 'ordinary' cars I'd nominate Audi A5/S5.
Yep. And Ford Interceptor as a most memorable concept car of the year.

Ferrer
02-02-2008, 06:18 AM
I'm going to be different and I'll say the Cadillac CTS. This looks like GM's first LEGITIMATE re-entry into the upscale sedan market. Plus, everyone already voted for the Reventon.
I'm going to be different too.

I want to nominate the Mazda 2. It's not fast, exotic or expensive, but it does something much more important than all those supercars nominated, it's smaller and lighter than its predecessor. I think that just for that change of mentality the little Mazda deserves to win the award. Plus it's well priced, looks good and has fine engines.

And now you can vote for whatever supercar you fancy...

jediali
02-02-2008, 06:55 AM
someone can vote nissan cumquat or cashcow..whatever its called too.

Revo
02-02-2008, 07:11 AM
I'll continue "keep-it-real" theme.

Fiat 500.

Cheap. Practical. Cool.

The_Canuck
02-02-2008, 10:51 AM
Hmm I've unfortunatly yet to see either a Mazda 2 or Fiat 500. The R8 and GT3/RS are wonderfull though, if a little out of reach.

Ill nominate the BMW 335i. Looks stunning, and has a wonderful engine.

Jack_Bauer
02-02-2008, 12:03 PM
I'm going to be different too.

I want to nominate the Mazda 2. It's not fast, exotic or expensive, but it does something much more important than all those supercars nominated, it's smaller and lighter than its predecessor. I think that just for that change of mentality the little Mazda deserves to win the award. Plus it's well priced, looks good and has fine engines.

And now you can vote for whatever supercar you fancy...

I'll second the vote for the Mazda 2. Not only the best looking car in its class (IMO), but also the lightest and most efficient. I'm a big fan.

Kooper
02-02-2008, 12:17 PM
BMW 335i, if for no other reason than making me question the M3.

fisetdavid26
02-02-2008, 12:24 PM
I'll continue "keep-it-real" theme.

Fiat 500.

Cheap. Practical. Cool.
The Fiat 500 definitely is a good choice. I spent some time on Fiat's website customizing my own, I love that little car. I want one so bad... :(

dydzi
02-02-2008, 01:17 PM
The Fiat 500 definitely is a good choice. I spent some time on Fiat's website customizing my own, I love that little car. I want one so bad... :(

the only thing is, it's by no means practical - it's based on panda, and it's heavier than it, and has less space. besides, it's does more or less the same as mini in 2001, so it's not that innovative really as well. thus, i think mazda 2 is better than it.

i'd call BMW M3. the engine is said to be great, and it handles great, no matter what road/speed. and the new 3-series coupe looks so great to me... it doesn't continue that woeful tendency of aggressive, offensive and tiring design, there's a saying it should take 10 minutes to realise a man is well dressed, and that's how this car looks

SlickHolden
02-02-2008, 03:21 PM
Holden Ute?.. Ford Mondeo?.

Mitsubishi Lancer?

Kitdy
02-02-2008, 04:45 PM
i'd call BMW M3. the engine is said to be great

Looking at the stats, it doesn't seem anything too special. I know there are more to engines to stats, but a 295 lb.-ft. of torque from a 445 lb. engine isn't very impressive I have to say.

I looked for more stats on competitors but it is hard to find engine mass to compare. Anyways, the IS F, 4.2L V8 FSI, 6.2L AMG all boast superior raw numbers than the S56B40. Not in the same class but also significant performers are the LS2, LS3 and LS7.

In my travels for this info, I learned that M-B used a 2.1 terrabyte digital replica of the new C Class and carried out 15 million digital miles of testing. Pretty cool.

motorsportnerd
02-02-2008, 06:46 PM
Looking at this thread almost everyone seems keen to nominate a supercar as "Car of the Year". Understandable, since supercars are the most desirable, and represent the epitome of automotive technological and design achievement. So, we certainly need to have an "outright" Car of the Year. And I'll add my voice for the Audi R8.

However, not many of us can afford a supercar. Most of us would be stretching to afford a high performance car like a BMW M3. So I suggest that we should also consider a couple of other catagories.
Perhaps Luxury Car of the Year, Performance Car of the Year (excluding supercars), Recreational Car of the Year (incl SUVs and utes/sports trucks) and Everyday Car of the Year?

For Luxury Car of the Year, I'll nominate the new Jaguar XF. This car looks great in my opinion and by all early accounts goes very well.

For Performance Car of the Year, I'll nominate two cars. BMW M3 and Nissan GT-R.

For Recreational Car of the Year, I'll nominate the Holden VE Ute, partly to give us Aussies something to cheer for and because it has the most car-like driving dynamics of any commercial vehicle released in the Aussie market yet.

For Everyday Car of the Year, I'll nominate four cars. Fiat 500 - simply for its cute looks if nothing else. Mazda2 for actually being lighter yet safer than its predecessor. Ford Mondeo for having BMW 3-series like dynamics at a considerably cheaper price. Pity about the badge and the weight though. And finally, Mazda6, for being everything the Mondeo is plus having the "right" badge on the front.

motorsportnerd
02-02-2008, 07:00 PM
Just in case anyone has forgotten, we did have a UCP Car of the Year for 2006, eventually won by the Alfa 8C Competizione: http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/car-comparison/30304-ucp-2006-car-year-voting.html The Audi R8 was in last year's awards, and received only three votes. Does this mean the Audi is ineligible this year? IF that is the case then I'll switch my nomination for outright car of the year to the Porsche 997 GT3 RS.

my porsche
02-02-2008, 07:01 PM
The new Audi RS6? R8? S5?

Porsche Carerra GT2?

baddabang
02-02-2008, 07:05 PM
Just in case anyone has forgotten, we did have a UCP Car of the Year for 2006, eventually won by the Alfa 8C Competizione: http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/car-comparison/30304-ucp-2006-car-year-voting.html The Audi R8 was in last year's awards, and received only three votes. Does this mean the Audi is ineligible this year? IF that is the case then I'll switch my nomination for outright car of the year to the Porsche 997 GT3 RS.

Why would that make Audi ineligible? It didn't even win.

motorsportnerd
02-02-2008, 07:12 PM
True. But was the R8 officially released in 2006 or 2007? This being for the 2007 UCP Car of the Year award.

Jack_Bauer
02-02-2008, 07:22 PM
Porsche Carerra GT2?

A what now? :confused:

baddabang
02-02-2008, 08:10 PM
True. But was the R8 officially released in 2006 or 2007? This being for the 2007 UCP Car of the Year award.

Didn't production start in 2007?

The_Canuck
02-02-2008, 08:17 PM
Looking at the stats, it doesn't seem anything too special. I know there are more to engines to stats, but a 295 lb.-ft. of torque from a 445 lb. engine isn't very impressive I have to say.

I looked for more stats on competitors but it is hard to find engine mass to compare. Anyways, the IS F, 4.2L V8 FSI, 6.2L AMG all boast superior raw numbers than the S56B40. Not in the same class but also significant performers are the LS2, LS3 and LS7.

In my travels for this info, I learned that M-B used a 2.1 terrabyte digital replica of the new C Class and carried out 15 million digital miles of testing. Pretty cool.


You and the damn numbers again? :p

motorsportnerd
02-02-2008, 08:22 PM
Didn't production start in 2007?

Yep, seems you're right. UCP's report on the R8 states: "The Audi R8 will be available to order from 28 September 2006; first deliveries will be made in the first half of 2007"; see Audi R8 - Ultimatecarpage.com - Images, Specifications and Information (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/2901/Audi-R8.html).

So I would guess that would make the R8 eligible again. The R8 is surely better than 3 votes.
I guess this also makes the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione eligible to win two years in a row? Production of the 8C recently began.

my porsche
02-02-2008, 08:24 PM
A what now? :confused:

Onna dems:

Spied: 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 - Car News - Car and Driver October 2006 (http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/11853/spied-2008-porsche-911-gt2.html)

fisetdavid26
02-02-2008, 10:14 PM
Onna dems:

Spied: 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 - Car News - Car and Driver October 2006 (http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/11853/spied-2008-porsche-911-gt2.html)
It's a 911 GT2. Not Carrera GT2.

Kitdy
02-03-2008, 12:51 AM
Just in case anyone has forgotten, we did have a UCP Car of the Year for 2006, eventually won by the Alfa 8C Competizione: http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/car-comparison/30304-ucp-2006-car-year-voting.html The Audi R8 was in last year's awards, and received only three votes. Does this mean the Audi is ineligible this year? IF that is the case then I'll switch my nomination for outright car of the year to the Porsche 997 GT3 RS.

I think that the 8C should be eligible again.

EDIT: I'm really surprised that R8 fared so poorly.

Revo
02-03-2008, 02:54 AM
Why do you people want to vote about the same cars as last year?

I totally agree with Rockefella here, the rules should be simple. The date on the official press release shows if the car is eligible for 2006 or 2007 competiton. Not the model year or the start of the production, these are way too vague.

Alfa 8C Competizione press release is dated 12.09.2006.
Audi R8 press release is dated 28.09.2006.
Porsche 997 GT3 RS press release is dated 29.05.2006
BMW 335i press release is dated 21.04.2006

All of these cars were included in last years competition. They had their chance, now its time to move on.

henk4
02-03-2008, 03:31 AM
Citroen C5

Ferrer
02-03-2008, 05:19 AM
Why do you people want to vote about the same cars as last year?

I totally agree with Rockefella here, the rules should be simple. The date on the official press release shows if the car is eligible for 2006 or 2007 competiton. Not the model year or the start of the production, these are way too vague.

Alfa 8C Competizione press release is dated 12.09.2006.
Audi R8 press release is dated 28.09.2006.
Porsche 997 GT3 RS press release is dated 29.05.2006
BMW 335i press release is dated 21.04.2006

All of these cars were included in last years competition. They had their chance, now its time to move on.
I agree completely. Only cars released in 2007 should be eligible.

Gardin
02-03-2008, 09:24 AM
FIAT 500 the only sane choice...

dydzi
02-03-2008, 09:38 AM
Looking at the stats, it doesn't seem anything too special. I know there are more to engines to stats, but a 295 lb.-ft. of torque from a 445 lb. engine isn't very impressive I have to say.

I looked for more stats on competitors but it is hard to find engine mass to compare. Anyways, the IS F, 4.2L V8 FSI, 6.2L AMG all boast superior raw numbers than the S56B40. Not in the same class but also significant performers are the LS2, LS3 and LS7.

In my travels for this info, I learned that M-B used a 2.1 terrabyte digital replica of the new C Class and carried out 15 million digital miles of testing. Pretty cool.

M3's engine is 10% lighter than the predecessor. my colleague was driving it along with all previous M3s. the current engine is said to be really outstanding, it revs easily up to 8600 rpm and presumably it could rev even to 10000 rpm if it weren't for the liveability. and remember it's build on the same line as V10s for BMW Sauber F1 cars, not many engines can say that :p

ZeTurbo
02-03-2008, 10:02 AM
I nominate the BMW M3, Audi R8, and the Mazda 2. Its an amazing little car, and i cant wait untill it come to NA.

Also, ui think there should be 3 seperate categories fot the UCP COTY.
Car of the year - 0 to 100 000$
Dream car of the year - anything abve 100 000$
Race car of the year - This IS UCP after all!

henk4
02-03-2008, 11:54 AM
IRace car of the year - This IS UCP after all!

Peugeot 908

fisetdavid26
02-03-2008, 12:03 PM
Peugeot 908
I've been told seniors are always right, so... I agree, the 908 is the race car of the year. :)

The_Canuck
02-03-2008, 02:23 PM
Acura ARX

Kooper
02-03-2008, 02:33 PM
If the 335i isn't eligible, M3 it is.

orne
02-03-2008, 02:52 PM
M3's engine is 10% lighter than the predecessor. my colleague was driving it along with all previous M3s. the current engine is said to be really outstanding, it revs easily up to 8600 rpm and presumably it could rev even to 10000 rpm if it weren't for the liveability. and remember it's build on the same line as V10s for BMW Sauber F1 cars, not many engines can say that :p

You're indeed right, but BMW also built the 35i engine which is a fantastic engine and even in its purposely lightly tuned mode is capable of achieving very close performance in real world driving to the M3's V8...

As car of the year, I think all has been said:

- Audi R8, for the surprisingly good driving experience that it is.
- Fiat 500, while it might not be as great to drive as it could, somehow Fiat managed to create a desirability capable of being a serious threat to the Mini.
- Mazda 2, like Ferrer said, in a time where generation after generation cars get heavier, it's good to see Mazda take a step in the other direction with a lighter and therefore more fuel efficient car while making it more fun to drive.

Kitdy
02-03-2008, 05:54 PM
I agree completely. Only cars released in 2007 should be eligible.

I completely disagree. So many publications limit themselves to cars released in that year only - we should do something different and allow all cars on sale in 2007 to be eligible.

That being said, cars the only debuted in 2007 should not be eligible. I think we're gonna need a voting thread to decide what cars are eligible.

That being said,

M3's engine is 10% lighter than the predecessor. my colleague was driving it along with all previous M3s. the current engine is said to be really outstanding, it revs easily up to 8600 rpm and presumably it could rev even to 10000 rpm if it weren't for the liveability. and remember it's build on the same line as V10s for BMW Sauber F1 cars, not many engines can say that :p

I am aware that it is 10% lighter than it's predecessor, but I am not concerned with what came before it. I am concerned with it's contemporaries.


Peugeot 908

I'm gonna play a bit of devil's advocate.

Does the later release of the 908 mean thst Peugeot could use the R10s engine performance numbers as a benchmark? Furthermore, the 908 utilized a coupe design which is apparently favoured under the new rules.

Surely, Audi has more experience than Peugoet and it would be hard to win for the 908 at Le Mans, and maybe the 908 will win this year, but we are talking about what is the best racer in 2007, not 2008. Peugeot did dominate the LMS but they were not up against any diesel engines so that victory in my view is unimpressive.

That being said, the 908 performed admirably for it;s first year of racing and is a fair selection for car of the year.

Possibly much more impressive than either of those cars was a certain LMP2 car...


Acura ARX

...and the ARX-01a is definitely not it. Barring it's win at Sebring, it and the R10 were embarrassed by Porsches' RS Spyder Evo.

There are so many other racing series' that we are not considering as well. In the GT2 class, I would say that the F430 GT2 did very well, ending Porsche's dominance. The exceptional Maserati MC12 running in the FIA GT also I think must be considered.

motorsportnerd
02-03-2008, 06:59 PM
I nominate the BMW M3, Audi R8, and the Mazda 2. Its an amazing little car, and i cant wait untill it come to NA.

Also, ui think there should be 3 seperate categories fot the UCP COTY.
Car of the year - 0 to 100 000$
Dream car of the year - anything abve 100 000$
Race car of the year - This IS UCP after all!


While I agree with seperate catagories, there would be one problem with a under $100,000 catagory. Different markets have different pricing. For example here in Australia, many cars that would be under $100,000 in the US are over that figure here.
I'd suggest it would be better to define by type of car rather than price (ie: luxury, dream, recreational, everyday, etc).

The_Canuck
02-03-2008, 09:40 PM
...and the ARX-01a is definitely not it. Barring it's win at Sebring, it and the R10 were embarrassed by Porsches' RS Spyder Evo.

There are so many other racing series' that we are not considering as well. In the GT2 class, I would say that the F430 GT2 did very well, ending Porsche's dominance. The exceptional Maserati MC12 running in the FIA GT also I think must be considered.
The Spyder, F430 GTC, and MC12 were not introduced in 2007.

The ARX was, and it won sebring. The 908 is also a contender because of it's performance in the european series regardless of it's competition.

Turbo.Jenkens
02-03-2008, 10:23 PM
The 908 is also a contender because of it's performance in the european series regardless of it's competition.

2nd at Le Mans on the first try is not a minuscule achievement either.

Kitdy
02-03-2008, 11:25 PM
The Spyder, F430 GTC, and MC12 were not introduced in 2007.

The ARX was, and it won sebring. The 908 is also a contender because of it's performance in the european series regardless of it's competition.

I did not see it indicated anywhere that the car had to be released in 2007.

As for the Spyder, the Evo it is an update so it could still be considered as being new for 2007.

We really gotta vote on some rules as to what cars are eligible for this.

I am of the opinion that all cars racing in 2007 should be eligible for the award or else we are bypassing many good cars and some real gems will be missed.

Ferrer
02-04-2008, 12:03 AM
I completely disagree. So many publications limit themselves to cars released in that year only - we should do something different and allow all cars on sale in 2007 to be eligible.

That being said, cars the only debuted in 2007 should not be eligible. I think we're gonna need a voting thread to decide what cars are eligible.
Then what prevents you from nominating your car every year until it wins?

Or even furhter what prevents the award from going to the same car every year?

Kitdy
02-04-2008, 12:37 AM
Then what prevents you from nominating your car every year until it wins?

Or even furhter what prevents the award from going to the same car every year?

I don't have a problem with any of those possibilities.

I could understand retiring a car if it won once.

Furthermore, as this is the first year we are having the competitions, it seems to make sense in my eyes to allow cars from years gone by to enter - same with the Napolis award.

The best way to decide would be to propose several solutions and then vote on it instead of deciding arbitrarily on what will be the method used. Other than that, Rocke could make an executive decision as runner of the competition and I think that would be fair enough as well.

henk4
02-04-2008, 12:50 AM
Then what prevents you from nominating your car every year until it wins?

Or even furhter what prevents the award from going to the same car every year?

Citroen DS.

faksta
02-04-2008, 12:54 AM
The best way to decide would be to propose several solutions and then vote on it instead of deciding arbitrarily on what will be the method used. Other than that, Rocke could make an executive decision as runner of the competition and I think that would be fair enough as well.

We could vote on cars appeared here on UCP during 2007 only. It's obvious that almost every new car appears immediately on the main page or in the hideout with a vast press-release. Finally, in other forum sections some new vehicles appear from time to time, too.

ruim20
02-04-2008, 04:54 AM
-Audi S5

After seeing "Hitman" it grew on me, awsome car.

Maybe we should get a list out, of interesting 2007 cars.

Ferrer
02-04-2008, 05:33 AM
I don't have a problem with any of those possibilities.

I could understand retiring a car if it won once.

Furthermore, as this is the first year we are having the competitions, it seems to make sense in my eyes to allow cars from years gone by to enter - same with the Napolis award.

The best way to decide would be to propose several solutions and then vote on it instead of deciding arbitrarily on what will be the method used. Other than that, Rocke could make an executive decision as runner of the competition and I think that would be fair enough as well.
It isn't the first year, is it...

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/car-comparison/30304-ucp-2006-car-year-voting.html

Kitdy
02-04-2008, 01:02 PM
We could vote on cars appeared here on UCP during 2007 only. It's obvious that almost every new car appears immediately on the main page or in the hideout with a vast press-release. Finally, in other forum sections some new vehicles appear from time to time, too.

The car should be in production as of 2007, that is where I draw the line.

The_Canuck
02-04-2008, 01:58 PM
I did not see it indicated anywhere that the car had to be released in 2007.

As for the Spyder, the Evo it is an update so it could still be considered as being new for 2007.

We really gotta vote on some rules as to what cars are eligible for this.

I am of the opinion that all cars racing in 2007 should be eligible for the award or else we are bypassing many good cars and some real gems will be missed.

It's the 2007 awards, it would make no sense to include cars from other years. The Evo is an upgrade but then again every racecar is updated each year so it doesn't really count as a new car entirely. IMO if we include all cars why should anycar win but the R10? It's the first diesel car to ever win lemans, therefore nothing else really holds a candle to it.

Ferrer
02-04-2008, 02:00 PM
It's the 2007 awards, it would make no sense to include cars from other years. The Evo is an upgrade but then again every racecar is updated each year so it doesn't really count as a new car entirely. IMO if we include all cars why should anycar win but the R10? It's the first diesel car to ever win lemans, therefore nothing else really holds a candle to it.
Oh yes there is. Try the CitroŽn C4 WRC.

henk4
02-04-2008, 02:02 PM
Oh yes there is. Try the CitroŽn C4 WRC.

besides, the R10 won already in 2006, so it is not eligible....

Kitdy
02-04-2008, 02:21 PM
It's the 2007 awards, it would make no sense to include cars from other years. The Evo is an upgrade but then again every racecar is updated each year so it doesn't really count as a new car entirely. IMO if we include all cars why should anycar win but the R10? It's the first diesel car to ever win lemans, therefore nothing else really holds a candle to it.

Yes it is the 2007 awards, why shouldn't all cars racing in 2007 be counted?


besides, the R10 won already in 2006, so it is not eligible....

What are you referring to?

Who is determining eligibility anyways?

EDIT:


Oh yes there is. Try the CitroŽn C4 WRC.

There is another contender. Just because the R10 was the first diesel to win Le Mans does not mean that other cars in different series didn't have more impressive feats.

henk4
02-04-2008, 02:29 PM
What are you referring to?


to Canuck's post number 71, who claims that only the R10 can be the winner...

VtecMini
02-04-2008, 02:44 PM
Fiat Bravo. It's probably not going to out-handle a Focus, but with those looks, a sackful of turbo engines and some pretty impressive prices, I think it's got a good future ahead of it.

Ferrer
02-04-2008, 04:23 PM
It's interesting to see how many mainstream cars are being nominated.