Lada to enter WTCC?

[faksta]

I think it should still be considered 'rumors', but some info is known up to the moment. I found a thread on this subject at Auto Sport (Russian autosport magazine) forum.
Guys say that the money are already into the project (seems like from GM mostly - remember GM and VAZ common business, but with the help of 'bussines drivers'). The new car will be prepared by Russian Bears team. Sports director of Russian Bears team, Alexei Grigoriev, previously was a director in LogoVAZ-City team when it raced in Supertourism class in Russia. Speaking about a model, I suppose it should be a Lada 110 or 112, or maybe a new one, Priora (actually a modernized 110 model).
We'll see. For me these are interesting news.

[henk4]

cannot they produce an AWD version of the Super 1600?

[faksta]

cannot they produce an AWD version of the Super 1600?

Super 1600 is actually a Lada 112, if you didn't mean a Kalina Super 1600, which, I think, is a bit too small for WTCC.
Well, I think it is one of the most possible steps, cause a 110 was popular earlier on Russian tracks, and I mentioned Priora as a new car - it would be logical to advertise it this way, but I guess it won't be ready in short terms.
Moreover, Lada Cup in Russia is being held on 1,6-liter Lada 112 car.

[Ferrer]

cannot they produce an AWD version of the Super 1600?
Isn't AWD banned in WTCC? :confused:

[henk4]

Isn't AWD banned in WTCC? :confused:

oh, damn, I was thinking WRC....WTCC is soooo obscure;)

[faksta]

Isn't AWD banned in WTCC? :confused:

Wow.. I misunderstood it a bit, too :p

[faksta]

OK, now it's official. Russian Bears Motorsport eneters this year's WTCC starting from Valencia race with two Lada 110 cars with 2-liter engines. To be mentioned, the engine and gearbox are taken from WTCC Lacetti. The car will be driven by Viktor Shapovalov (he entered touring races in Russia and Netherlands) and Jaap van Lagen from Netherlands (2006 Renault Megane Eurocup winner). RBM will spend the whole season in WTCC competing in Independents Cup. The car was in a process of homologation back in the end of February.
Another news for me is that Golden Motors team from Russian touring with a support from Artman Racing wants to enter WTCC this year too on their Honda Accord. Alexander Lvov and Alexander Smetskiy plan to start in five races: Valencia, Brno, Oschersleben, Anderstorp and Monza. They will begin a season starting in STCC in Knutstorp.

[Zytek_Fan]

It's definitely a fail on styling.
Looks like an old Escort...

[faksta]

It's definitely a fail on styling.
Looks like an old Escort...

Don't even mention :o The car was developed in the end of 1980s.

[Zytek_Fan]

Don't even mention :o The car was developed in the end of 1980s.

At least they're using parts from the RML developed Lacetti's, which are very good cars. ;)

[faksta]

At least they're using parts from the RML developed Lacetti's, which are very good cars. ;)

Well, I hope they'll score some points, though a year before they failed on BMWs...

[Ladorghini]

The attached pictures above refer to the Lada 110 2.0 (21106) with the body kit of the car with the wankel engine. It had participated at russian races.
The car homologated for the WTCC series will be different:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4072/wtcc08022201aoo1.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4074/wtcc08022201bbr6.jpg

[faksta]

The attached pictures above refer to the Lada 110 2.0 (21106) with the body kit of the car with the wankel engine. It had participated at russian races.
The car homologated for the WTCC series will be different

Thanks for pics. I supposed it may not be a final version, cause in a magazine I have there is a car captured with a different, third, look.
Still, it looks extremely ugly :(

BTW, tho living in Russia, I never heard of this car running in our series. Can you provide a link to a source which you got the info from? Or were you talking about a wankel car?

[Ladorghini]

Could you please attach the pics with the "third" look?
You can also visit Russian Bears Motorsport (http://www.russianbearsmotorsport.com) for more.

[faksta]

Could you please attach the pics with the "third" look?
You can also visit Russian Bears Motorsport (http://www.russianbearsmotorsport.com) for more.

Goddamit... sorry, Ladorghini, after looking that pic up again I realized that it was the same car that I've posted. Just in different light - that's why it was more grey than white and much more aerodynamic elements were seen (on the above pics in my post they're almost not visible).
Sorry :o

[Ladorghini]

BTW, tho living in Russia, I never heard of this car running in our series. Can you provide a link to a source which you got the info from? Or were you talking about a wankel car?

To be honest all the infos about the car with the wankel engine i have, are from the net. For example:

Craig's Rotary Page: LADA rotary cars from Russia/USSR (http://cp_www.tripod.com/rotary/pg07.htm)
Autosoviet: LADA (Part 2) (http://digilander.libero.it/cuoccimix/ENGLISH-automotorusse4(lada2).htm)

[faksta]

To be honest all the infos about the car with the wankel engine i have, are from the net. For example:

Craig's Rotary Page: LADA rotary cars from Russia/USSR (http://cp_www.tripod.com/rotary/pg07.htm)
Autosoviet: LADA (Part 2) (http://digilander.libero.it/cuoccimix/ENGLISH-automotorusse4(lada2).htm)

Rotary 110's entered our touring cars races, that's true. But I have never heard of racing attempts for those 2-liter cars with the same bodies.

[Ladorghini]

But I have never heard of racing attempts for those 2-liter cars with the same bodies.

You are right. I just mean that the pics you have attached show a WTCC prototype unveiled at the 2005 Moscow autoshow which was just a prototype. The car which was finally developed by AvtoVAZ and MTEC SPORT in the early 2006 was the below:

http://www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200603/dyp_1141513596_photo_025.jpg

[faksta]

You are right. I just mean that the pics you have attached show a WTCC prototype unveiled at the 2005 Moscow autoshow which was just a prototype. The car which was finally developed by AvtoVAZ and MTEC SPORT in the early 2006 was the below:

Thanks again :) I wonder why did I miss the 2005 car at the motorshow? :p

[Ladorghini]

I wonder why did I miss the 2005 car at the motorshow? :p

Sorry i think the car was presented at the Moscow Sport-Motor-Tuning exhibition.

The official press release reads (http://www.lada.nu/wtcc.htm)

[faksta]

Sorry i think the car was presented at the Moscow Sport-Motor-Tuning exhibition.

The official press release reads (http://www.lada.nu/wtcc.htm)

Oh, then it explains my confusion, as I wasn't there :) BTW, contrary to what the article says, they didn't yet switch to Priora. And I believe they won't do it in 2008.

As for the car itself, for me the best ever touring car made of Lada 110 is still a Lukoil Racing 21103 for Supertourism.

[Ladorghini]

There is a difference: Then was a factory team and now a private team with technical support from the factory. I think that if the attempt goes well, next year we will see the new Lada Priora WTCC with full factory support

[faksta]

There is a difference: Then was a factory team and now a private team with technical support from the factory. I think that if the attempt goes well, next year we will see the new Lada Priora WTCC with full factory support

I guess they (I mean factory) simply must prepare a Priora for a 2009 season. Otherwise, such a great advertisement possibilities will be lost.
Didn't quite get you again :) Were you speaking about Lukoil 21103 as a factory prepared car?

[Ladorghini]

I agree. And since the Lada Priora is a modernized modification of the Lada 2110, I suppose that the development of the Lada Priora WTCC will not be very difficult or high costed.

[Ladorghini]

Didn't quite get you again :) Were you speaking about Lukoil 21103 as a factory prepared car?

No, I speak about Lada Racing, a "joint venture" between the motorsport division of the Lada factory (AvtoVAZ) and MTEC SPORT from Germany (see MTEC GmbH (http://www.mtec-sport.com)).

LADA Present WTCC Prototype In Moscow (http://www.speedarena.com/news/publish/touring_cars/article_6279.shtml)
Arrival Of The First Lada WTCC Car From Russia (http://www.speedarena.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/22/6505)
autosport.com - WTCC News: Lada could still join WTCC in '07 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/53981)

[faksta]

No, I speak about Lada Racing, a "joint venture" between the motorsport division of the Lada factory (AvtoVAZ) and MTEC SPORT from Germany (see MTEC GmbH (http://www.mtec-sport.com)).

LADA Present WTCC Prototype In Moscow (http://www.speedarena.com/news/publish/touring_cars/article_6279.shtml)
Arrival Of The First Lada WTCC Car From Russia (http://www.speedarena.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/22/6505)
autosport.com - WTCC News: Lada could still join WTCC in '07 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/53981)

Got it. Thanks :)

[Ladorghini]

Any news?

[faksta]

There is a difference: Then was a factory team and now a private team with technical support from the factory. I think that if the attempt goes well, next year we will see the new Lada Priora WTCC with full factory support

I've just read a fresh note about WTCC Lada, and actually there will be NO support from the factory - technical, moral, dancing - absolutely nothing. Result: Zandvoort tests -> 5 seconds slower than leaders...

^ sorry, haven't seen your post :)

[Ladorghini]

In Wednesday’s official test session at Oschersleben the results were better:

Jaap van Lagen (LADA 110) 1:36.476
Victor Shapovalov (LADA 110) 1:37.753

The best lap by Y. Muller (SEAT León TDI) 1:35.227

see FIA WTCC (http://www.fiawtcc.com/fiawtcc/season/2008/sport_sto1565962.shtml)

[faksta]

Anyway, I don't expect any groundbreaking results this year. The cars are new (ahem... I mean their racing evolution, as 110 Lada's were ready in eighties...), so even though they're Chevy-based, they won't be free of technical failures. Maybe they'll record some scores, but obviously no champion's crown :p

[shamrocker]

Hello, everyone. Forgive me for going off topic, but I have a situation which I am seeking assistance. After checking other sites, I found you guys to be 'informed' on the Lada car.

To make a long story short. My son has (had) a Lada 2110 which was totally destroyed by a fire (thanks to a lousy mechanic working on it at the time). All we have left is the chassis. What my son & I are hoping to do is rebuild the car with whatever spare parts we can find here in Egypt OR find a dealer who will ship to us an engine and maybe other spare parts we can't find here. Can any of you direct me to someone in Russia or Europe who can deal with us on this sort arrangement? I would most appriciate it.

[shamrocker]

Thanks Fatska for such a quick response to my post/email. I have opened an album in my profile which allows for only 3 pictures, so I've put 3 of the burnt car in there. My son is as much a novice as I am (he's very young & I'm just a housewife). So, if some of my questions seem totally ignorant... you can take that guess to the bank... lol!

Q: Does Lada provide 'Automatic' models? My son wants to make his Lada automatic instead of shift. It's no big deal if it doesn't.

Q: Will any other model of Lada fit on a 2110 chassis?

[faksta]

A: Lada didn't produce any cars with automatics, AFAIK, at least in big numbers. But there was an attempt by some company in Moscow to put an old Toyota (Corolla's if I'm not mistaken) automatic gearbox in -10 series. I've read about it nearly 4-5 years ago.

A: I believe the restyled 2110, called Priora, can fit the chassis.

BTW: I'm not soo fat and I don't listen to ska music :p :D

Also, before the moderators came, I think you may open a new thread in 'User's rides' section, where it would be more convenient to speak about an exact car. :)

[faksta]

Old news, but still wasn't here...
Lada prepares its official team for 2009 season with Priora based car (my thoughts were true, hehe).

[Ferrer]

Old news, but still wasn't here...
Lada prepares its official team for 2009 season with Priora based car (my thoughts were true, hehe).
Isn't the Priora a B-segment car?

Or is it a C-segment?

[faksta]

With a length of 4350mm it is hardly a B-segment car. Kalina sits there.

[Ferrer]

With a length of 4350mm it is hardly a B-segment car. Kalina sits there.
I had confused the Kalina and the Priora... :p

[Herr_Kraft]

Shit! This is 2110! (we called this car "desyatka" that means "ten") This is very old and terrible car, and how i know, today Togliatty (VAZ hometown) don't produce it.

[faksta]

They indeed stopped producing it as it was replaced by Priora (not too deep modification), which will also take 110's seat in WTCC this year. They promise to take it on track on July, 5.