View Full Version : ALMS: 4 hour Generac 500 at Road America Aug 9
togos452
08-05-2008, 10:31 PM
31 cars with GT1 Bell Motorsports back for the 4 hour semi-endurance race and several new driver pairings.
The race is on Saturday, August 9th, but Speed will show it on Aug 10, 1PM CDT - Tape Delayed.
:: IMSA - International Motor Sports Association :: (http://www.imsaracing.net/)
Live timing
IMSA Live Timing (http://www.imsaracing.net/2003/lt/ltc.html)
radiolemans.com (http://radiolemans.com)
AUTO-RACING - SPEEDtv.com - SPEEDtv.com (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/lemans-alms/)
Yokohama returns to series with PTG after leaving B-K Motorsports at Mid-Ohio.
American Le Mans Series :: World Class (http://www.americanlemans.com/news/Article.aspx?ID=4562)
New driver pairings in LMP1:
mid season driver underlined
# 1 Audi R10: Emanuele Pirro now with Marcel Fässler (also for Mosport)
AUTO-RACING - ALMS: Marcel Fassler Joins Pirro in Audi R10 TDI for Next Two Rounds - SPEEDtv.com (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/alms-marcel-fassler-joins-pirro-in-audi-r10-tdi-for-next-two-rounds/)
# 30 Intersport Lola B06/10 AER: Ryan Lewis and John Faulkner now with Gregor Fisken
Ryan Lewis Racing (http://www.ryanlewisracing.co.uk/)
FISKENS Fine Historic Automobiles - Londons finest historic and vintage automobile dealership (http://www.fiskens.com/)
LMP2:
# 26 AGR Acura ARX-01b: ex-F1 Frank Montagny now with James Rossiter (also for Mosport)
AUTO-RACING - ALMS: Rossiter To Join Montagny in Andretti Green’s Acura - SPEEDtv.com (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/alms-rossiter-to-join-montagny-in-andretti-greens-acura/)
http://www.fmontagny.com/
GT2:
# 18 Vici Racing 911: Francesco and Nicky Pastorelli now with Marc Basseng (ex Farnbacher Loles Racing driver)
VICI RACING (http://www.viciracing.com/)
Die Marc Basseng HomePage (http://www.basseng.de/)
# 21 Panoz Team PTG: Tom Milner Jr. and Tom Sutherland back with Joey Hand and Yokohama (Dunlops from Utah thru Mid-Ohio)
joeyhandracing.com | The Official Website of Joey Hand (http://www.joeyhandracing.com/)
PTGRacing.com - Panoz Team PTG - 2008 (http://www.ptgracing.com/)
# 61 Risi F430: Harrison Brix now with 2007 Le Mans Series GT2 champ Rob Bell
Re-directing (http://www.robbellracing.com/)
Harrison Brix (http://www.harrisonbrix.com/)
# 73 Tafel Racing F430: ex-Champ Car Alex Figge and Jim Tafel rejoined by Pierre Ehret
Pierre Ehret Official Website (http://www.pierreehret.com/)
# 87: Farnbacher Loles 911: Porsche factory drivers Richard Westbrook and Dirk Werner rejoined by Bryce Miller
Bryce Miller - Home (http://brycemiller.net/index.php)
Dino Scuderia
08-06-2008, 04:30 AM
Bell is a sucky team so they will be a non story.
The new RSR engine will likely dominate the F430's...my how that table has turned.
As far as LMP1...this track should favor the Audi's...LMP2's shouldn't be hounding them here.
The LMP2 field will be a lottery which is what makes it so good.
Bell is a sucky team so they will be a non story.
The new RSR engine will likely dominate the F430's...my how that table has turned.
As far as LMP1...this track should favor the Audi's...LMP2's shouldn't be hounding them here.
The LMP2 field will be a lottery which is what makes it so good.
Keep an eye on the P1 and P2 battles--Audi expects their lowered refueling tanks to hurt them. I'll have a story on it tomorrow.
henk4
08-06-2008, 07:32 AM
Audi expects their lowered refueling tanks to hurt them.
what does this say?
is somebody going to bump his head against a refueling tank? Is there a change in capacity of those tanks? Who are "them", the P2 guys or Audi?
Dino Scuderia
08-06-2008, 07:51 AM
Audi had to reduce their tank capacity from 90 to 81 litres. The long straights at this track will consume a lot of fuel but I think they'll overcome that with speed.
what does this say?
is somebody going to bump his head against a refueling tank? Is there a change in capacity of those tanks? Who are "them", the P2 guys or Audi?
http://www.imsaracing.net/2008/alms/bulletins/bulletin%20alms%2008-05.pdf
what does this say?
is somebody going to bump his head against a refueling tank? Is there a change in capacity of those tanks? Who are "them", the P2 guys or Audi?
Hard for me to tell the full story today when I've written an article with many insights from Audi that will publish tomorrow.
henk4
08-06-2008, 08:18 AM
Hard for me to tell the full story today when I've written an article with many insights from Audi that will publish tomorrow.
can you publish it now? I will be on a plane tomorrow....but I would suggest that the flow rate will be lowered due to a lower location of the "autonomous" refueling system..and they can take 4 liters more, another second longer in the pitlane...
RacingManiac
08-06-2008, 05:06 PM
As far as LMP1...this track should favor the Audi's...LMP2's shouldn't be hounding them here.
You would think so, but Penske won last year.....
Sledgehammer
08-06-2008, 05:28 PM
I will be their, anyone else going?
togos452
08-06-2008, 08:26 PM
Bell is a sucky team so they will be a non story.
The new RSR engine will likely dominate the F430's...my how that table has turned.
As far as LMP1...this track should favor the Audi's...LMP2's shouldn't be hounding them here.
The LMP2 field will be a lottery which is what makes it so good.
Bell Motorsports is a brand-new team. They were involved in the GT2 Primetime Viper crash at St. Pete caused by the # 6 Penske Porsche of Patrick Long.
More on # 008 DBR9
AUTO-RACING - ALMS: Pruett's Friday Mid-Ohio Blog - SPEEDtv.com (http://www.speedtv.com/auto-racing/article/alms-pruetts-friday-mid-ohio-blog/P2/)
A Pirelli-shod Ferrari won the GT2 class of the Total 24 Hours of Spa this past weekend.
togos452
08-06-2008, 10:53 PM
Generac 500 at Road America presented by Time Warner Cable
August 6, 2008 news
B-K Motorsports pumped up for home race with # 8 Lola Mazda
Lola B07/46 Mazda with Dunlop tires for the second time
American Le Mans Series :: World Class (http://www.americanlemans.com/news/Article.aspx?ID=4569)
Lowe's Fernandez Racing excited for Road America with # 15 machine
American Le Mans Series :: World Class (http://www.americanlemans.com/news/Article.aspx?ID=4568)
Simon Pagenaud set to return to the scene of Champ Car Atlantic success
with # 66 de Ferran Motorsports Acura ARX-01b with Gil de Ferran
American Le Mans Series :: World Class (http://www.americanlemans.com/news/Article.aspx?ID=4567)
Voices of Road America
14-turn, 4.048-mile circuit
# 71 Tafel Racing Ferrari F430 GTC
American Le Mans Series :: World Class (http://www.americanlemans.com/news/Article.aspx?ID=4566)
http://www.americanlemans.com/News/NewsImages/86200816755625_Image1_Thumb.JPG
Tour de Road America returns again
American Le Mans Series :: World Class (http://www.americanlemans.com/news/Article.aspx?ID=4570)
Tour de Road America benefiting Lance Armstrong Foundation (http://www.pelotonride.org/)
Ben Devlin and other drivers will take part in the bike race on Firday
http://www.americanlemans.com/News/NewsImages/862008175658750_Image1_Thumb.JPG
The Generac 500 at Road America presented by Time Warner Cable is scheduled for Saturday, August 9 from Elkhart Lake, Wis. The four-hour race will start at 4 p.m. CT with SPEED televising the race starting at 2 p.m. ET on Sunday, August 10. XM will air the race from 4 to 8 p.m. ET on Sunday via Sports Nation Channel 144. Live radio coverage will be available from American Le Mans Radio at americanlemans.com, which also will feature IMSA's Live Timing & Scoring.
Dino Scuderia
08-07-2008, 04:04 AM
Bell Motorsports is a brand-new team.
Yes I know but that doesn't mean the people making up the team are 'new'....they never have been any good.
Dino Scuderia
08-07-2008, 04:13 AM
You would think so, but Penske won last year.....
Audi's were second and third with the other Penske fourth so it wasn't a romp.
I think with the Audi chassis improvements they can win this time.
RacingManiac
08-08-2008, 09:38 AM
I think if they win it will be due to mainly the fuel capacity increase....at 81 liter last season they were just short of stretching a stop many races last year....
ALMS: Pruett's Thursday Elkhart Lake Blog
Audi's pit stop concerns, Legge on the loose, and a BUNCH of juicy ALMS rumors are awaiting your perusal in Pruett's Thursday Elkhart Lake blog.
AUTO-RACING - ALMS: Pruett's Thursday Elkhart Lake Blog - SPEEDtv.com (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/alms-pruetts-thursday-elkhart-lake-blog/)
ALMS: Pruett's Thursday Elkhart Lake Blog
Audi's pit stop concerns, Legge on the loose, and a BUNCH of juicy ALMS rumors are awaiting your perusal in Pruett's Thursday Elkhart Lake blog.
AUTO-RACING - ALMS: Pruett's Thursday Elkhart Lake Blog - SPEEDtv.com (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/alms-pruetts-thursday-elkhart-lake-blog/)
Dino Scuderia
08-08-2008, 12:58 PM
I don't really buy the theory of the diesel 'flowing slower' than gas in this case. One gallon of gasoline weighs 6.2 lbs....one gallon of diesel fuel weighs 7.1 lbs. In warm temps I don't see fueling diesel as opposed to gasoline coming into play. Assuming Audi's diesel is anything close to our pump ultra low #2 diesel.
Thanks for the update.
I don't really buy the theory of the diesel 'flowing slower' than gas in this case. One gallon of gasoline weighs 6.2 lbs....one gallon of diesel fuel weighs 7.1 lbs. In warm temps I don't see fueling diesel as opposed to gasoline coming into play. Assuming Audi's diesel is anything close to our pump ultra low #2 diesel.
Thanks for the update.
I guess it's easier to think of the viscosity of petrol and diesel like the difference between water and syrup. Weight isn't the main factor here.
Friday Photo Gallery
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Dino Scuderia
08-08-2008, 02:03 PM
I guess it's easier to think of the viscosity of petrol and diesel like the difference between water and syrup. Weight isn't the main factor here.
They aren't that different in viscosity in warm temps though. Not as extreme of example as water vs syrup....maybe water and whole milk.
Nice pics.
They aren't that different in viscosity in warm temps though. Not as extreme of example as water vs syrup....maybe water and whole milk.
Nice pics.
Audi's fuel isn't what you put in your truck. It's safe to assume that IMSA knows the impact lowering the tank will have and Audi also know their flow rates.
I've used the exact diesel they use in a diesel endurance program that I ran, and there's no reason to believe what they're saying is anything but accurate.
cmcpokey
08-08-2008, 02:23 PM
Audi's fuel isn't what you put in your truck. It's safe to assume that IMSA knows the impact lowering the tank will have and Audi also know their flow rates.
I've used the exact diesel they use in a diesel endurance program that I ran, and there's no reason to believe what they're saying is anything but accurate.
do you know if its a parrafin based diesel or if its a kerosene based?
the parrafin based is what we use in our ships, and there is a huge difference in the viscosity of that at the kerosene based. if the temp drops below 60F it can actually turn into a solid wax.
Dino Scuderia
08-08-2008, 02:24 PM
Audi's fuel isn't what you put in your truck. It's safe to assume that IMSA knows the impact lowering the tank will have and Audi also know their flow rates.
I've used the exact diesel they use in a diesel endurance program that I ran, and there's no reason to believe what they're saying is anything but accurate.
If it isn't pump fuel, which I doubted in the first place, it's the synthetic gas to liquid formula...so who knows what it weighs or what the viscosity is.
We certainly have to trust the IMSA test....but I'd bet the synthetic diesel is closer to gasoline flow rates than pump grade is.
AUTO-RACING - ALMS: Audi and Acura on Front Row at Elkhart Lake - SPEEDtv.com (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/alms-audi-and-acura-on-front-row-at-elkhart-lake/)
do you know if its a parrafin based diesel or if its a kerosene based?
the parrafin based is what we use in our ships, and there is a huge difference in the viscosity of that at the kerosene based. if the temp drops below 60F it can actually turn into a solid wax.
Lovely!
Here's the spec sheet on their diesel. I used 16 barrels of their surplus LM24 diesel in 2006 and it was some rather 'unique' stuff.
http://www.imsaracing.net/2007/alms/bulletins/shellv-power_diesel_lm24_datasheet_v1-1.pdf
RacingManiac
08-08-2008, 09:20 PM
Do you have picture of that Mustang's rear suspension? It's rather interesting that someone would go that route to make a GT1 car....
And how is that legal in SPEED WC? I thought they have to use production layout, and rear pushrod(or independent for that matter) is most definitely not production mustang....
just curious, do you do your own pics?
Do you have picture of that Mustang's rear suspension? It's rather interesting that someone would go that route to make a GT1 car....
And how is that legal in SPEED WC? I thought they have to use production layout, and rear pushrod(or independent for that matter) is most definitely not production mustang....
just curious, do you do your own pics?
I shot the car at the end of 2006 for a magazine feature that never managed to get finished. They let me have the car to myself for about 30min! I crawled inside and out like it was a jungle gym. Gorgeous car. Those 100+pics are at home.
I do shoot my own stuff--not as good as the pros, but I'm working hard at getting better.
Shot of the new direct-injection Porsche engine from Thursday.
ALMS: Pruett's Friday Elkhart Lake Blog
We dive deep into the top speeds at the fastest track on the calendar, Robertson Racing's candid discussion on developing the Ford GT-R, and Tafel Racing's take on how to win a championship.
AUTO-RACING - ALMS: Pruett's Friday Elkhart Lake Blog - SPEEDtv.com (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/alms-pruetts-friday-elkhart-lake-blog//P1/)
ALMS: Elkhart Lake In-Car Helmet Cam, Adrian Fernandez
Take a ride around the fastest race track the American Le Mans Series visits with Lowe's driver Adrian Fernandez.
ALMS: Elkhart Lake In-Car Helmet Cam, Adrian Fernandez - Brightcove (http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1721797940&channel=340485641)
RacingManiac
08-11-2008, 10:00 AM
fastest you mean the top speed wise right? I think Mosport is still faster on lap average speed....
fastest you mean the top speed wise right? I think Mosport is still faster on lap average speed....
I don't have the figures in front of me, but Michelin had them posted and RA was 2mph faster than Mosport for avg speed.
Road America Race Gallery
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RacingManiac
08-11-2008, 10:22 AM
almost even....Road America was faster last year...
http://www.americanlemans.com/assets/pdfs/circuits.pdf
ever radar gun the car at the end of the Andretti straight? I wonder how fast the car gets to that point from turn 5(b).....
almost even....Road America was faster last year...
http://www.americanlemans.com/assets/pdfs/circuits.pdf
ever radar gun the car at the end of the Andretti straight? I wonder how fast the car gets to that point from turn 5(b).....
Cool. I'll try to bring the radar gun again. Not sure if/how many people give a fart about radar info, but I'll try to capture the data you've requested!
RacingManiac
08-11-2008, 06:45 PM
that will be awesome....it sucks I can't go this year, first time I am missing the race since 2001....
Wouter Melissen
08-11-2008, 06:58 PM
Road America Race Gallery
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Nice shots my friend. Did you hire someone to take them?
Nice shots my friend. Did you hire someone to take them?
Yes--some guy nicknamed 'Tokai' shot them for me.
Dino Scuderia
08-12-2008, 04:42 AM
The race was very good.
All the cautions took fuel worries out of the game.
The F430's did well against the RSR's...too bad Salo threw it away on the last lap...but that is a trademark of their(Risi's) whole 2008 ALMS season.
Penske surprisingly wasn't much of a factor.
Nice battling between the Audi drivers...especially in the first laps.
RacingManiac
08-12-2008, 05:35 AM
so whats up in the RS Spyder land? The rise of the Acura ARX-01b seems to taken the shine of Porsche's P2 car in ALMS. All 4 Acuras are trading fast laps and such in the last few races where the Penske(even with the new DI engine) is not running up there, and the "dated" Dyson model is sadly a non-factor again....(really feel for those guys, its as if they might've been better to stay with their Lola....now it always feels like they are racing with a hand tied behind their back....).
Any more news with regards to the whereabout of Acura's P1 car, not that they need it for ALMS, but if they were to go for Le Mans....
so whats up in the RS Spyder land? The rise of the Acura ARX-01b seems to taken the shine of Porsche's P2 car in ALMS. All 4 Acuras are trading fast laps and such in the last few races where the Penske(even with the new DI engine) is not running up there, and the "dated" Dyson model is sadly a non-factor again....(really feel for those guys, its as if they might've been better to stay with their Lola....now it always feels like they are racing with a hand tied behind their back....).
Any more news with regards to the whereabout of Acura's P1 car, not that they need it for ALMS, but if they were to go for Le Mans....
The word I got was that the Penske cars were leaned all the way out and trying to stretch their fuel windows to take full advantage of the DI's economy. It was a strategy call that was killed with all of the yellows. Had it been mostly green, they'd have leapfrogged to the front at the end.
I thought it was too early for them to start getting smart with their strategy--the cars handled incredibly but were slow on the many long straights. It's rare for them to be so wrong...
Dino Scuderia
08-12-2008, 07:06 AM
I guess that was a steep learning curve for Penske and the new engine.
I bet that won't happen again...they are strategy kings.
RacingManiac
08-12-2008, 09:12 AM
I am also guess with the normally aspirated engine like the 3.4 liter P2s, the DI has less of a flexibility compare to the Turbo 3.6 P1 like the R8's. It does make it more drivable and such but since the small motor relies purely on rev, if you don't thrash it you will not be getting the most out of those....
Audi confirmed the fuel reg changes added 4 seconds to their stops. It's safe to assume to bump from 81L to 85L wasn't the main reason for the slower stop.