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Wouter Melissen
11-27-2008, 01:52 AM
Bonhams will auction a very nice Bugatti at Retromobile in February of 2009:


The 1937 Bugatti Type 57S originally owned by Earl Howe, whose existence has only been known to a handful of people during the last 50 years will be sold at Bonhams’ Retromobile sale in Paris on 7 February 2009. This highly significant motor car is conservatively estimated to realise in excess of €3,000,000.

The Bugatti with Atalante coachwork retains all the attributes that will ensure its appeal to the world’s most discerning collectors. It has a spectacular provenance having been owned by Earl Howe, Lord Ridley, Harold Carr and others; it has a continuous and chronicled history; and it has exceptional originality retaining original chassis, engine, drivetrain and body. It even has what appears to be a remarkably low mileage with an odometer reading of just 26,284.

James Knight, International Head of Bonhams' motoring department said: "I have known of this Bugatti for a number of years and, like a select group of others, hadn’t dared divulge its whereabouts to anyone. It is absolutely one of the last great barn discoveries, and we at Bonhams are honoured to have been selected to handle its sale.”

Bugatti Type 57S, chassis no. 57502, was completed at the Bugatti works on 5 May, 1937 sporting two-seat Atalante coupe coachwork. It was ordered new by no less than the motor sport great – and the BRDC’s (British Racing Driver’s Club) first President - Earl Howe via UK Bugatti agents, Sorel of London. Howe had a long association with Ettore Bugatti and his machines, and developed a close friendship with Ettore and his son Jean, having raced their Grand Prix motor cars.

Earl Howe took delivery of 57502 on the 9 June 1937 and was to retain his Bugatti for over eight years. He added a personal touch by fitting his own bumpers, rear-view mirrors on the A-pillars and a luggage rack, which it still retains to this day. It was to become his personal companion, escorting him to Brooklands and other race meetings. The car would have seen relatively little use during the Second World War as Earl Howe served with the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve.

After hostilities ceased, the T57S was sold via Continental Cars to a Mr J P Tingay in 1947. It was Tingay who effectively brought the car to ‘SC’ specification by fitting a Marshall K200 supercharger – as finding an original Bugatti blower proved nigh on impossible so soon after the War.

Mr M H Ferguson acquired the Bugatti from Tingay in 1950 and by 1954 it formed part of Lord Ridley’s collection. Dr Harold Carr then acquired it in 1955 from Lord Ridley. Dr Carr drove the car for the first few years but in the early 1960s it was parked in his garage where it remained for nearly 50 years, until Dr Carr’s death in 2007. The T57S is being sold on behalf of the family of Dr Carr, and will be offered with an extensive file of correspondence documenting its fascinating history.

James Knight said: “The Atalante is incredibly original and, although she requires restoration, it is “restoration” in the true sense of the word. From my perspective, save for some of the interior, all original parts can be restored or conserved in order to maintain originality. It offers a truly rewarding project to the new owner - who will join a select list of distinguished owners – to play such an integral part in bringing this wonderful motor car back to life. It has all the finest attributes any connoisseur collector could ever seek in one of the ultimate road-going sports cars from the golden era of the 1930s."

Background: The Type 57S model:
Two years after the introduction of Bugatti’s 1930s masterpiece the Type 57, the model evolved into its definitive form as the ‘S’ or ‘competition model’. Increased performance and a lowered centre of gravity created by running the car’s rear axle through the chassis, produced not only an out-and-out sports car, but a ground-hugging chassis line, ideal for creating the most wind-cheating and aerodynamic bodywork designs yet seen.

Unquestionably the design for which the model is best known is the Atlantic coupe, in which form the model debuted at the Paris Salon in 1935 and it was further refined before production ‘S’s left the factory in September of the following year. By May 1937 when this chassis 57502 was delivered, the company could cite a string of international class speed records, and Grand Prix wins. These would be capped with a Le Mans win later that year.

Historians state six racing or prototypes were built before production of the 57S began in earnest, but even throughout its three year run a mere 17 Atalantes were constructed. The streamlined Atlantic was carefully honed into a svelte coupe with the derived named Atalante, and this proved to be the design of choice to grace these chassis. However even a designated name didn’t mean uniformity as each car was handcrafted and as attested to today, each had its own particular style and detail.

Background: Earl Howe
Francis Curzon, the fifth Earl Howe was synonymous with the best pre-war sports cars. A keen amateur racing driver who succeeded to the Peerage in 1929, he encouraged Dudley Benjafield to found the British Racing Driver’s Club and was elected its first President that same year. He retained this post until his death in 1964.

A close associate of the ‘Bentley Boys’ after the marque’s retirement from racing he continued their quest for success in endurance racing, partnering Sir Henry Birkin in an Alfa Romeo to win the 1931 Le Mans, arguably his greatest achievement.

As a successful competitor who could not afford to indulge his motor sport passion, he was surrounded by a wealth of friends and knowledgeable enthusiasts to guide him to the very finest and most suitable mount for a race, event or simply to enjoy the road with. That he owned a Type 57S says a lot, that he kept this very same car for 8 years, says even more…..

Background: Rarity
These fabulous cars are coveted as much now as they were when new. The passion for collecting the 57S has passed from the luminaries of the 1930s, such as Malcolm Campbell to the great collectors of the twenty-first century, with the most passionate - Ralph Lauren among them - possessing more than one, and very few ever parting with them.

The market supply is further diminished by the fact that a fifth of all production resides in the Musee Nationale de L’Automobile in Mulhouse, France including a quarter of all Atalantes built.

Even within this thin air, chassis 57502 has characteristics which may well make it the most interesting of all the 57S cars, for as it stands today it combines an impeccable provenance with that most prized quality of total originality, having been virtually untouched and unused since the early 1960s.

henk4
11-27-2008, 02:13 AM
This might be a proper test to see if and how the economic situation will affect the top end of the market.

fisetdavid26
11-27-2008, 02:29 AM
This might be a proper test to see if and how the economic situation will affect the top end of the market.
First thing I told Wouter when I saw it was "recession who"?

Definitely interesting to see there's still a market for preposterously expensive cars.

Wouter Melissen
11-27-2008, 02:52 AM
It could well be that cars are still considered solid investments unlike real estate or stocks. Recent auctions have not revealed any signs of weakness just yet. When the market does go south, it could go there very quickly.

LeonOfTheDead
11-28-2008, 05:58 AM
Bonhams will auction a very nice Bugatti at Retromobile in February of 2008:

more likely 2009 ;)

nice find btw.
I guess the kind of people who can actually purchase such cars were probably affected by the weak economy, but even if loosing 50% of your incomes when you gain millions each months, isn't a real big deal (in the eyes of the one who is speaking which never saw a million of anything)

wwgkd
11-28-2008, 07:20 PM
Georgous car, if I had millions...

Joao Gois
12-05-2008, 05:17 AM
One thing just about avery middl-class people has forgot is that crysis only affects who isn't obscenely rich. I mean, if you have 10.000€ and there's a crysis making your incomes drop and all you're buying more expensive, that fund won't be comfortable to live with, that's for sure. But if you're filthy rich and have like 10.000.000€ or so, what difference will it make if instead of those 10.000€/month you're being paid will reduce to like 8.000€? You'll live the same way, no stress!
That's why the top-end car market was the only segment which increased this last year. Have you heard Mercedes-Benz, Rolls-Royce, Porsche or Ferrari complaining about the crysis? I haven't. But when it comes to Ford, GM or Chrysler...

LeonOfTheDead
12-05-2008, 05:44 AM
more likely 2009 ;)

nice find btw.
I guess the kind of people who can actually purchase such cars were probably affected by the weak economy, but even if loosing 50% of your incomes when you gain millions each months, isn't a real big deal (in the eyes of the one who is speaking which never saw a million of anything)


One thing just about avery middl-class people has forgot is that crysis only affects who isn't obscenely rich. I mean, if you have 10.000€ and there's a crysis making your incomes drop and all you're buying more expensive, that fund won't be comfortable to live with, that's for sure. But if you're filthy rich and have like 10.000.000€ or so, what difference will it make if instead of those 10.000€/month you're being paid will reduce to like 8.000€? You'll live the same way, no stress!
That's why the top-end car market was the only segment which increased this last year. Have you heard Mercedes-Benz, Rolls-Royce, Porsche or Ferrari complaining about the crysis? I haven't. But when it comes to Ford, GM or Chrysler...

*coff* *coff*

Kitdy
01-02-2009, 03:09 AM
Nice. (http://jalopnik.com/5121937/3-million-1937-bugatti-found-in-british-garage-after-almost-50-years)

That would be a nice find to find your barn.

Will it go for what they value in these economic times?

Cyco
01-02-2009, 03:29 AM
The people seriously looking at this are not affected by 'these economic times'.

Wouter Melissen
01-02-2009, 04:06 AM
The people seriously looking at this are not affected by 'these economic times'.

Perhaps more money is channeled here now because if the market holds up these cars are solid investments. You can also have a lot more fun with a car than with stocks, bonds or savings.

Cyco
01-02-2009, 06:51 AM
Absolutely.

Not sure what restoration costs will be, but suspect on the likes of this there probably be as much spent on that as on the purchase.

This requires some reasonably deep pockets, putting it well out of reach of the 'Ferrari on Lease' set.

If I had the means I'd love it, but can't see me joining the bidding.

f6fhellcat13
01-02-2009, 11:31 AM
Perhaps more money is channeled here now because if the market holds up these cars are solid investments. You can also have a lot more fun with a car than with stocks, bonds or savings.
Didn't Japan's economic "bubble" back in the late 80s artificially inflate collector car prices, so that after the crash they lost a lot of value?
Is it possible that something like that could happen again?

Wouter Melissen
01-02-2009, 11:43 AM
Didn't Japan's economic "bubble" back in the late 80s artificially inflate collector car prices, so that after the crash they lost a lot of value?
Is it possible that something like that could happen again?

It is a big fear.

cmcpokey
01-02-2009, 11:58 AM
i know muscle car prices have already started to fall from their bubble a few years back, but as far as the more significant cars, i don't think they have moved.

Wouter Melissen
01-02-2009, 12:01 PM
i know muscle car prices have already started to fall from their bubble a few years back, but as far as the more significant cars, i don't think they have moved.

Yeah the muscle cars were part of a hype.

f6fhellcat13
01-02-2009, 12:08 PM
You mentioned in one of the updates that at Bonhams Gstaad not many cars were sold.
Do the Bonhams people think that it was the selection of cars, the economy, or something else that caused low sales?
Also, what effect has new money from the Middle East and China had on the prices of collector cars?

Wouter Melissen
01-02-2009, 12:09 PM
You mentioned in one of the updates that at Bonhams Gstaad not many cars were sold.
Do the Bonhams people think that it was the selection of cars, the economy, or something else that caused low sales?
Also, what effect has new money from the Middle East and China had on the prices of collector cars?

The Gstaad auction could be an incident. The cars offered there were not very representative for the market.

f6fhellcat13
01-02-2009, 12:46 PM
I looked on Bonhams' and Barrett-Jackson's websites and, of course, they say nothing about flagging sales.
I tried to Google "decline classic car auction" but all I got were muscle-car pages.
Has this economic mess affected prices to any of y'all's knowledge?

pnegyesi
01-07-2009, 12:12 AM
Very nice car :)

Apparently there were a lot of people out there who knew about the car, but couldn't get to terms with the doctor

RisingSunRacing
01-07-2009, 08:05 AM
Very, very nice car.

Vintage Bugatti's never really interested me until i read a book called Early One Morning. Now im in love with the cars.

jthorn65
01-07-2009, 02:50 PM
Any of the auction periodicals show declining sales and average prices for frequently traded vehicles. The decline started in late 2007 however I imagine it has steepened considerably in the last 3 months.

moto
01-07-2009, 05:50 PM
auctioneers talk up expectations, buyers bid as they judge.

henk4
01-08-2009, 12:34 AM
Any of the auction periodicals show declining sales and average prices for frequently traded vehicles. The decline started in late 2007 however I imagine it has steepened considerably in the last 3 months.
It may also have something to do with the buyers, those in the market for sub 100k cars may be less inclined to spend money now as those going for the biggies. (and welcome to UCP, also to Mr. Moto, now I am waiting for our new member Peter Lorre...)

nikbj68
01-08-2009, 12:47 AM
...Not sure what restoration costs will be, but suspect on the likes of this there probably be as much spent on that as on the purchase...If I had the means I'd love it, but can't see me joining the bidding.
A full restoration shouldn`t cost more than $200-300k(only!!!) but wouldn`t it be SO much better to just do the neccesary mechanical work to preserve it and have it run perfectly, but retain much of the originality? Then use it, regularly. On the road, like a car should be!
Whilst I admire the abilities of the 'show car' restorers, there are (IMHO) too many cars that are so much better than new.

henk4
01-08-2009, 12:54 AM
A full restoration shouldn`t cost more than $200-300k(only!!!) but wouldn`t it be SO much better to just do the neccesary mechanical work to preserve it and have it run perfectly, but retain much of the originality? Then use it, regularly. On the road, like a car should be!
Whilst I admire the abilities of the 'show car' restorers, there are (IMHO) too many cars that are so much better than new.

I agree, with the treatment you are proposing, the car could be a winner everywhere, especially in the Pebble Beach Preservation class, where 100% bling is not required.

Cyco
01-08-2009, 03:12 AM
A full restoration shouldn`t cost more than $200-300k(only!!!) but wouldn`t it be SO much better to just do the neccesary mechanical work to preserve it and have it run perfectly, but retain much of the originality? Then use it, regularly. On the road, like a car should be!
Whilst I admire the abilities of the 'show car' restorers, there are (IMHO) too many cars that are so much better than new.

The owner may wish that the cost was that small, but it will vary tremendously based on the exact condition of the car. Aston Martin who does a lot of restoration work quotes between £180-240k on a DB 4, 5 or 6nd that is with all the parts available, and the high level or model specific experience.

My ideal restoration would be in the style of Napolis' Dino Comepsetitino - a strip and rebuild, rather than any parts changes.

nikbj68
01-08-2009, 03:41 AM
...My ideal restoration would be in the style of Napolis' Dino Comepsetitino - a strip and rebuild, rather than any parts changes.
Do you have a link to photos? That`s definitely along the lines of what I`d do if I bought the Bugatti after my Lottery win!
p.s. Brilliant avatar pic!

Wouter Melissen
01-08-2009, 03:47 AM
Do you have a link to photos? That`s definitely along the lines of what I`d do if I bought the Bugatti after my Lottery win!
p.s. Brilliant avatar pic!

1967 Ferrari 206 S Dino Berlinetta Competizione - Images, Specifications and Information (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/3713/Ferrari-206-S-Dino-Berlinetta-Competizione.html)

nikbj68
01-08-2009, 06:22 AM
Thanks for the link, Wouter.
Good call, Cyco, that is Perfection! Factory fresh in every way.
It will be more of a challenge with the Bugatti, as the condition is much worse than the Dino, in fact it`s more like the 'Lost' Daytona Cobra, CSX2287 (http://thecarsource.com/shelby/cobra/daytona/csx2287.shtml),
http://thecarsource.com/shelby/cobra/daytona/images/csx2287_2.jpg
which Jay Leno recently visited and drove! (http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=519722),
and seen here at the Simeone museum (http://www.pbase.com/noyphoto/image/100117617):
http://i.pbase.com/g5/21/783021/3/100117617.WIyJaW5x.jpg

Ferrer
01-17-2009, 10:58 AM
Well maybe the crisis is starting to affect the big heavyweights...

Big dollar cars don't meet reserves at RM's Arizona auction - Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/16/big-dollar-cars-dont-meet-reserves-at-rms-arizona-auction/)

LeonOfTheDead
01-17-2009, 11:03 AM
Well maybe the crisis is starting to affect the big heavyweights...

Big dollar cars don't meet reserves at RM's Arizona auction - Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/16/big-dollar-cars-dont-meet-reserves-at-rms-arizona-auction/)

could be, or they are considering investing more money in new one-off's and limited editions rather than purchasing the old ones.
I'm thinking about the general revival lead by the P4/5, with the latest release being the Hyperion or the Fioravanti SP1 (anyone have decent pics of it perhaps?)

hotrod45
01-18-2009, 11:17 AM
Very interesting thread. I agree that the high end auto companies well ride out the recession better then the average auto maker. Look back in history and the evidence is there.

Wouter Melissen
01-18-2009, 11:24 AM
It does seem that the collectors have gotten pickier; quite in contrast with RM, Gooding did get some good results in Arizona:


Gooding & Company once again delivered the top sale of Arizona Auction Week during their Scottsdale Auction on January 17, 2009.

Highlights from the auction include the extremely rare 1960 Ferrari 250 GT SWB California Spider from the newly-discovered VanKregten Estate sold for $4.95 million setting the record for top price of the week at all auctions in the valley as of press time. Additionally, a very original 1937 Talbot-Lago Teardrop Coupe was the week’s second highest lot selling for $3.52 million.

As the gavel fell for the final time of the day, total sales neared $31.8 million, with seven cars breaking the magic million dollar mark.

Ecnelis
02-08-2009, 12:06 PM
Sold for 4 400 000 $

Car Found in Garage Sells for $4.4 Million (http://news.aol.com/article/bugatti-car-4-million/333346)