Best American Mass Market Car (2008)

[fisetdavid26]

Vote for the best American mass market car.

[wwgkd]

I'd think the Mustang GT goes here. It's over 300hp, but it's not exactly a super car, right? Same goes for the Camaro.

[fisetdavid26]

I'd think the Mustang GT goes here. It's over 300hp, but it's not exactly a super car, right? Same goes for the Camaro.
It's exactly on the limit I set, so technically it could go in both :)

It's best suited here though. It isn't a supercar, you're right, nor a high-end car.

[Bleeding Heart]

I'll go for the Ford Mustang GT...

[blingbling]

best for what? overall? then in that case its going to be hard

if it is just dry condition performance then yeah there are tonnes of pony car variations to choose from.

[wwgkd]

best for what? overall? then in that case its going to be hard

if it is just dry condition performance then yeah there are tonnes of pony car variations to choose from.

I think it's just whichever one you want the most. Unless you're a masochist, that's the car you consider best for what you do or want to do.

[fisetdavid26]

I think it's just whichever one you want the most. Unless you're a masochist, that's the car you consider best for what you do or want to do.
Bingo.

[Kitdy]

Well, the press seems to think that the Chevrolet Malibu and Cadillac CTS are both quite good cars - I am not overly versed in either and not an expert in mass market cars but I shall nominate them as I think overlooking them would not be appropriate. The CTS has 300+ hp but I conferred with one of the demigods (mods that is - it was Lt. Lulz's alternate personality) and he deemed that it was mass market so I have holy communion of whatever.

Let's not overlook the Challenger which I think should be considered. I shall also nominate the Pontiac G8. That is all I can think of for now.

So: G8
Challenger
CTS
Malibu

[jump15vc]

Camaro

[Mr-Supercar]

mustang is a great car but the dodge viper acr is better this year after all it has the fastest lap time on nuremberg.

[ruim20]

Cadillac CTS

[blingbling]

Bingo.oh well in that case i'll take the most expensive one and sell it

ahhh im just being a lawyer-style buzzkill now.

[henk4]

mustang is a great car but the dodge viper acr is better this year after all it has the fastest lap time on nuremberg.
that is being nominated under a different category.....(and btw the Nuerburgring is completely different from the city of Nuernberg (or Neuremberg...)

[jump15vc]

mustang is a great car but the dodge viper acr is better this year after all it has the fastest lap time on nuremberg.

The Viper ACR has been nominated in the supercar thread im sure no one can consider it mass market by any stretch of chrysler's imagination,

[Rockefella]

Dodge Challenger

[Ferrer]

More controversy...

Chevy Volt?

[Rockefella]

More controversy...

Chevy Volt?

This may be better suited in the concept category. I'll let David make the final decision.. he's taking the forefront for (S)COTY.

[Sledgehammer]

Chevy Colbalt SS. From everything that I have read, it is an excellent car.

[wwgkd]

Chevy Colbalt SS. From everything that I have read, it is an excellent car.

No kidding. That lap it turned for Car and Driver was great. I'd have preferred that the Neon SRT4 had stayed alive, but ths works.

[Ferrer]

This may be better suited in the concept category. I'll let David make the final decision.. he's taking the forefront for (S)COTY.
Well wasn't the production version presented some weeks ago?

[Dino Scuderia]

Well wasn't the production version presented some weeks ago?


The Volt is a marketing gimmick to help pull GM's arse out of the fire...make them look like they're in the game. If the Volt was a production car it'd be on the showroom floor right now.

[baddabang]

Chevy Colbalt SS. From everything that I have read, it is an excellent car.

True but there are not that many compared to the Cobalt XFE which is selling well. So is the new Malibu.

BTW no lift shift ftw.

[fisetdavid26]

More controversy...

Chevy Volt?
Well okay. So far it is only a concept, and it IS intended for production, so according to my own rules it is eligible.

It's a bit of a stretch though as its going to enter production in 2011. But fine, Albert "Loophole" Ferrer ;)

[digitalcraft]

So what counts as American? Do Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, Scion count?

If those don't because they were owned by JP companies, does Mazda count since until very recently it was controlled by Ford and made the American cars in the U.S., even sharing chassis and engines with Fords?

[fisetdavid26]

So what counts as American? Do Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, Scion count?

If those don't because they were owned by JP companies, does Mazda count since until very recently it was controlled by Ford and made the American cars in the U.S., even sharing chassis and engines with Fords?
Let's not make it overly complicated shall we.

I'd say Acura/Lexus/Infiniti and Scion count as American brands.

Mazda remains Japanese.

[Ferrer]

I'd say Acura/Lexus/Infiniti and Scion count as American brands.
They are japanese owned with japanese engineering and in some cases with japanese production.

I'd say that despite the fact some are eminently US-focused, doesn't make them American.

[fisetdavid26]

They are japanese owned with japanese engineering and in some cases with japanese production.

I'd say that despite the fact some are eminently US-focused, doesn't make them American.
Try to find an Acura in Japan.

[Ferrer]

Try to find an Acura in Japan.
You can. For instance it's called Honda Accord.

[fisetdavid26]

You can. For instance it's called Honda Accord.
Oh god, you really wanted to make my life a misery today huh? :rolleyes:

I think you haven't quite grasped the fact I am sorting out manufacturers according to their badges, I ruled Acura as American and Honda as Japanese. It doesn't matter if the car is produced in various markets with a different badge. For example, Opel/Vauxhall Astra = European, Saturn Astra = American. It may be entirely European, but it is sold in America, and branded as an American brand.

I'm just trying to avoid loopholes, and you seem quite incline to find all of them. :(

[henk4]

Oh god, you really wanted to make my life a misery today huh? :rolleyes:

I think you haven't quite grasped the fact I am sorting out manufacturers according to their badges, I ruled Acura as American and Honda as Japanese. It doesn't matter if the car is produced in various markets with a different badge. For example, Opel/Vauxhall Astra = European, Saturn Astra = American. It may be entirely European, but it is sold in America, and branded as an American brand.

I'm just trying to avoid loopholes, and you seem quite incline to find all of them. :(
Shall I PM Damian that we need a thread for the most obnoxious member of 2008?

[Rockefella]

Shall I PM Damian that we need a thread for the most obnoxious member of 2008?

They call me Captain Cquick.

[fisetdavid26]

Shall I PM Damian that we need a thread for the most obnoxious member of 2008?
Haha :p

Monaro will win that...

[Ferrer]

Oh god, you really wanted to make my life a misery today huh? :rolleyes:

I think you haven't quite grasped the fact I am sorting out manufacturers according to their badges, I ruled Acura as American and Honda as Japanese. It doesn't matter if the car is produced in various markets with a different badge. For example, Opel/Vauxhall Astra = European, Saturn Astra = American. It may be entirely European, but it is sold in America, and branded as an American brand.

I'm just trying to avoid loopholes, and you seem quite incline to find all of them. :(
Do what you want (and I'm thankful you take the time to organise the whole awards thing). But Lexus is being sold worldwide and Infiniti is starting to expand as well. On that basis we could consider them European.

[fisetdavid26]

Do what you want (and I'm thankful you take the time to organise the whole awards thing). But Lexus is being sold worldwide and Infiniti is starting to expand as well. On that basis we could consider them European.
Right. Toyota was incorporated in Japan first, right? They expanded a lot over the years and now they have factories everywhere on the globe. They are still a Japanese company though. It doesn't make them Japamerieurocan because they are a worlwide corporation.

Lexus, Infiniti, Acura and Scion all share the same thing in common: they were first launched in the US. That makes them American brands.

[digitalcraft]

Ferrer might make a good beta tester.

Oh here's another question. Where do cars like the Ford Focus (the real one) belong? Its only available in Europe but from a U.S. company.

[fisetdavid26]

Ferrer might make a good beta tester.

Oh here's another question. Where do cars like the Ford Focus (the real one) belong? Its only available in Europe but from a U.S. company.
In this case that's an exception. It's designed by the Ford Europe subsidiary of Ford, and sold in Europe.

[f6fhellcat13]

CTS (or is that too pricey?)
G8

[fisetdavid26]

Cobalt SS Turbo.

Not biased. At all.

[cmcpokey]

lame...

[fisetdavid26]

lame...
Indeed.

I admit I quite like the Malibu though.

[kingofthering]

Pontiac G...oh wait, that's Australian....

Well, the Chevrolet Cobalt SS hasn't disappointed anyone yet.

[Spastik_Roach]

Dodge Challenger

[zeppelin]

So far I'm thinking either the Chevrolet Cobalt SS, or the Saturn Astra. I'm leaning Saturn though, because as a brand, talk about a great turnaround.

[roosterjuicer]

GMC acadia

[70cuda88]

Cobalt SS

[Kitdy]

Acura is American? The world is ending.

[Ferrer]

So far I'm thinking either the Chevrolet Cobalt SS, or the Saturn Astra. I'm leaning Saturn though, because as a brand, talk about a great turnaround.
You can't nominate a 4 year old Opel.

You just can't. Go for the turbocharged car.

[fisetdavid26]

Acura is American? The world is ending.
Why? When is the last time you have seen an Acura somewhere else than in North America? It recently entered the Chinese and Hong Kong markets, 20 years after selling cars exclusively in North America. They haven't even entered the Japanese market yet.

[Kitdy]

Why? When is the last time you have seen an Acura somewhere else than in North America? It recently entered the Chinese and Hong Kong markets, 20 years after selling cars exclusively in North America. They haven't even entered the Japanese market yet.

Well, Acura is headquartered in Tokyo, the chassis are Japanese as far as I know, the engines are Japanese designs, the cars are designed in Tokyo I'd imagine, the parent company is Japanese. They are just built in America. The BMW X6 is built in America but is it an American car? I don't think so. If Acuras are designed in the States, then maybe, but I don't believe that they are.

[Quiggs]

So far I'm thinking either the Chevrolet Cobalt SS, or the Saturn Astra. I'm leaning Saturn though, because as a brand, talk about a great turnaround.

The Astra has been a sales figure failure.

[roosterjuicer]

yeah the aura has done ok, the astra has done assy

[NSXType-R]

Nothing!

Nah, just kidding.

Maybe the Chevy Malibu.

[f6fhellcat13]

Well, Acura is headquartered in Tokyo, the chassis are Japanese as far as I know, the engines are Japanese designs, the cars are designed in Tokyo I'd imagine, the parent company is Japanese. They are just built in America. The BMW X6 is built in America but is it an American car? I don't think so. If Acuras are designed in the States, then maybe, but I don't believe that they are.
Thank God. :p
I agree with Kitdy that Acura is Japanese, there is too much Japanese hardware in them not to be.