Best European High-end Car/Supercar (2008) [Archive]

wwgkd

12-02-2008, 05:35 AM

Ferrari 430 Scuderia...

This is the best modern day Ferrari ever made...

I've got to agree, but I am waiting anxiously to see how the Millechili or however the butt you spell it turns out.

Ferrer

12-02-2008, 05:42 AM

I've got to agree, but I am waiting anxiously to see how the Millechili or however the butt you spell it turns out.
That was just a concept, the solutions of which will be applied on future Ferraris.

wwgkd

12-02-2008, 05:47 AM

That was just a concept, the solutions of which will be applied on future Ferraris.

I know there was the first one which was the winner of a design contest, but then there were rumors of the next Ferrari super car that was going along with a similar name to be changed before production, as mentioned in Car and Driver among other places.

NicFromLA

12-02-2008, 06:01 AM

(Ferrer's gonna hate me for this):

Ferrari California.

Runner up: BMW M3 Sedan. Lambo Estoque would be my runner up, but it's too far from production.

NicFromLA

12-02-2008, 06:03 AM

too old....out of production already...

Bentley Brooklands is still in production. Customers in the US are being delivered their cars as we speak. My father might nominate that car.

clutch-monkey

12-02-2008, 06:09 AM

Maserati GT followed by scud.

Cyco

12-02-2008, 06:09 AM

Aston One-77
Bentley Brooklands
Koenigsegg CCXR Edition

Kitdy

12-02-2008, 06:26 AM

Audi R8

The R8 arguably won last year as I recall - there was gonna be a revote to disallow it potentially but that never happened. Lemme see...

UCP Car of the Year 2007 (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/awards/35702-ucp-awards-2007-car-year-voting.html)

A massive plurality with more than double the closest runner up. The R8 won.

(Ferrer's gonna hate me for this):

Ferrari California.

Runner up: BMW M3 Sedan. Lambo Estoque would be my runner up, but it's too far from production.

Winding Road liked the California - I'd be interested in seeing what Evo or Road and Track think of it though. Nic though, I know you think it is the best for this year, but do you think it has a fireball's chance in hell of winning? Props for the bold stance though. Ferrer is gonna choke on his lunch when he reads that you nominated it.

henk4

12-02-2008, 06:27 AM

[QUOTE=Kitdy;850691 Ferrer is gonna choke on his lunch when he reads that you nominated it.[/QUOTE]
might be a good reason for another nomination.....

jump15vc

12-02-2008, 06:28 AM

Ferrari F430 Scuderia
Alfa 8C Competizione/Spyder (how has no one nominated this on looks alone?)
Audi R8

jump15vc

12-02-2008, 06:30 AM

Winding Road liked the California - I'd be interested in seeing what Evo or Road and Track think of it though. Nic though, I know you think it is the best for this year, but do you think it has a fireball's chance in hell of winning? Props for the bold stance though. Ferrer is gonna choke on his lunch when he reads that you nominated it.

Just got the new Automobile Mag and they liked it, and were positive from a design standpoint as well

LeonOfTheDead

12-02-2008, 06:32 AM

I've got to agree, but I am waiting anxiously to see how the Millechili or however the butt you spell it turns out.

it will be the next Enzo or F70, or whatever they want to call it. V8, twin turbo, 1.150 kg and quite compact, expected in late 2009, more likely spring 2010.
these are pics of the first two mules:
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/844460-post32.html

Knuto

12-02-2008, 06:36 AM

Farbio GTS350

wwgkd

12-02-2008, 06:52 AM

Yeah

1.150 kg and quite compact
Gives me a semi

V8, twin turbo
And there it goes...

fisetdavid26

12-02-2008, 06:54 AM

Oh noes. The V12 vs. V8 Ferrari debate is back. :rolleyes:

Kitdy

12-02-2008, 07:02 AM

might be a good reason for another nomination.....

Ferrer already nominated the Brooklands and you gave him the Maser so he has two nice Ferrer cars to choose from. I wouldn't even know what to nominate for him. Probably something slow, boring, and ugly?

Oh I kid Ferrer.

LeonOfTheDead

12-02-2008, 07:03 AM

Yeah

Gives me a semi

And there it goes...

semi?!:confused:

Oh noes. The V12 vs. V8 Ferrari debate is back. :rolleyes:

this is not a debate, is a fact, they are switching to turbo again, and that car is going to be the first. I will ask for more news.

Kitdy

12-02-2008, 07:03 AM

Oh noes. The V12 vs. V8 Ferrari debate is back. :rolleyes:

Isn't a V10 the perfect compromise mathematically?

LeonOfTheDead

12-02-2008, 07:05 AM

Isn't a V10 the perfect compromise mathematically?

it depends (technically) of the singular cylinder capacity. but direct injection is going to make it (almost) irrelevant. V8s usually sound better than V12 imo.

fisetdavid26

12-02-2008, 07:13 AM

semi?!:confused:
A "semi", or "nursing a semi" is having (figuratively most of the time) half an erection. Known as "semi-croquant" in my part of the world :p

this is not a debate, is a fact, they are switching to turbo again, and that car is going to be the first. I will ask for more news.
Yes I know it is a fact, I was referring to an old thread in which people debated what was the only true engine configuration for a Ferrari.

wwgkd

12-02-2008, 07:16 AM

Oh noes. The V12 vs. V8 Ferrari debate is back. :rolleyes:

hehe, no, it's not the V8 vs V12. I love the F430 afterall. It's the whole turbo thing.

coolieman1220

12-02-2008, 07:17 AM

Porsche GT3

fisetdavid26

12-02-2008, 07:18 AM

hehe, no, it's not the V8 vs V12. I love the F430 afterall. It's the whole turbo thing.
Ah, gotcha. While I quite dig a big whiney turbo I much prefer a naturally aspirated engine on a Ferrari. It's purer.

Although the F40 managed quite well with a twin turbocharged V8.

LeonOfTheDead

12-02-2008, 07:25 AM

Porsche GT3

911 gt3? isn't from 2006 or 2007?

fisetdavid26

12-02-2008, 07:27 AM

911 gt3? isn't from 2006 or 2007?
2007 for the 997, but it's allowed as it's in production right now.

It just doesn't stand any chances to win but whatever huh :p

Kitdy

12-02-2008, 07:38 AM

The GT2 could suffice as it's new this year.

I shall nominate it thought I do not expect it to win.

jump15vc

12-02-2008, 07:49 AM

i nominate porsche for the sour grapes award as pertaining to the GTR 'Ring fiasco, will monaro country please accept on their behalf?

Jack_Bauer

12-02-2008, 08:32 AM

I nominate the Morgan Aeromax. The concept and original production model was from a couple of years ago, but it only went into limited-series production this year.

ruim20

12-02-2008, 08:40 AM

The R8 arguably won last year as I recall - there was gonna be a revote to disallow it potentially but that never happened. Lemme see...

UCP Car of the Year 2007 (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/awards/35702-ucp-awards-2007-car-year-voting.html)

A massive plurality with more than double the closest runner up. The R8 won.

Aye! Then i'm going to be more actual.

BMW 135tii

fisetdavid26

12-02-2008, 09:05 AM

Aye! Then i'm going to be more actual.

BMW 135tii
It's a concept...

Kitdy

12-02-2008, 09:31 AM

It's a concept...

I think and hope he was kidding anyways.

Kooper

12-02-2008, 09:32 AM

I'll nominate the Caterham Superlight R500 just to be different.

ruim20

12-02-2008, 12:06 PM

ok ok, I thought bmw had made that one, got the name mixed up, but the one i saw and vote for is the 125i Performance if there isn't a 135i Performance.

Rockefella

12-02-2008, 12:24 PM

Pagani Zonda F.

Ferrer

12-02-2008, 12:48 PM

I nominate the Morgan Aeromax. The concept and original production model was from a couple of years ago, but it only went into limited-series production this year.
There you go Kitdy, now I have three cars I could vote for.

Dantera22B

12-02-2008, 02:02 PM

Koenigsegg CCXR Edition http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/matt-s-hi-res-hide-out/34979-koenigsegg-ccx-ccxr-edition.html

NicFromLA

12-02-2008, 02:18 PM

Oh noes. The V12 vs. V8 Ferrari debate is back. :rolleyes:

I'm almost always on the side of the V12, but there's something I really like about the California. The size and the fact that its front engine remind me of the 250GT SWB Berlinetta.

Isn't a V10 the perfect compromise mathematically?

Not really. I think the V10 is an evolutionary dead end. My BMW has a V10 and I like the V12 in the 760 and the V8 in the M3 MUCH better.

The GT2 could suffice as it's new this year.

I shall nominate it thought I do not expect it to win.

Why not? There's absolutely no reason the Porsche GT2 shouldn't win. Performance, pedigree, looks . . .

fisetdavid26

12-02-2008, 02:34 PM

ok ok, I thought bmw had made that one, got the name mixed up, but the one i saw and vote for is the 125i Performance if there isn't a 135i Performance.
That would go in mass market though. :)

digitalcraft

12-02-2008, 04:32 PM

I was going to go with the GT3 but since its already nominated and I haven't seen it yet, I'll go with the BMW E92 M3.

rallyswift75

12-02-2008, 04:58 PM

Is the SL65 AMG Black Series eligible?

fisetdavid26

12-02-2008, 05:01 PM

Is the SL65 AMG Black Series eligible?
Yes..

fisetdavid26

12-02-2008, 06:04 PM

Maserati GranTurismo S

f6fhellcat13

12-02-2008, 06:22 PM

Alfa 8C
BleedingHeart's biturbo Zonda

fisetdavid26

12-02-2008, 06:23 PM

Alfa 8C
BleedingHeart's biturbo Zonda
I don't recall writing lies were eligible in the rules thread. :confused:

:p

wwgkd

12-02-2008, 06:25 PM

Alfa 8C
BleedingHeart's biturbo Zonda

The 8C could have 120hp and break down every three blocks and I'd like it just for looks alone.

f6fhellcat13

12-02-2008, 06:37 PM

The 8C could have 120hp and break down every three blocks and I'd like it just for looks alone.

The problem is, I fear my sperm would ruin the paintwork every time I looked at it.

wwgkd

12-02-2008, 06:40 PM

The problem is, I fear my sperm would ruin the paintwork every time I looked at it.

You can depend on Depends.

70cuda88

12-02-2008, 11:27 PM

Pagani Zonda F.

freaking beat me to it, not that that's a bad thing.

i would have gone with the new Koenigsegg but had to go with me instinct

Zytek_Fan

12-02-2008, 11:33 PM

Maserati GranTurismo S

Also one of the best looking cars of the year.

Kitdy

12-03-2008, 01:14 AM

Not really. I think the V10 is an evolutionary dead end. My BMW has a V10 and I like the V12 in the 760 and the V8 in the M3 MUCH better.

It was a joke.

Why not? There's absolutely no reason the Porsche GT2 shouldn't win. Performance, pedigree, looks . . .

Because I don't think it will get more votes than say the F430 Scuderia or Gallardo LP650-4.

ruim20

12-03-2008, 03:20 AM

That would go in mass market though. :)

Doh! This is hard, hardly any dream cars this year...

Audi RS5 eligible?

fisetdavid26

12-03-2008, 05:59 AM

Doh! This is hard, hardly any dream cars this year...

Audi RS5 eligible?
Is there such a thing? Do you mean S5?

Ferrer

12-03-2008, 07:08 AM

The RS5 isn't out yet.

ruim20

12-03-2008, 11:45 AM

Alfa 8c then.

Sorry about the multiple options!

zeppelin

12-03-2008, 12:16 PM

It's a tough one, but I've narrowed it down to the Porsche 911 GT2, Alfa Romeo 8C, Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-R, and the Koeningsegg CCXR. I'll try to narrow it down further if necessary, however I think all my choices have already been nominated anyway.

NicFromLA

12-03-2008, 06:42 PM

Maserati GranTurismo S

Also one of the best looking cars of the year.

Good call. Probably the best looking new car.

Because I don't think it will get more votes than say the F430 Scuderia or Gallardo LP650-4.

Is the Scuderia 2008? I like my supercars Italian, but I think the GT2 is really f*cking cool and I'm sure I'm not alone.

jump15vc

12-03-2008, 07:32 PM

Is the Scuderia 2008? I like my supercars Italian, but I think the GT2 is really f*cking cool and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Yes the Scud is in production this year, technically it was introduced in 07 i think but this is really its first full year.

The GT2 is cool but isn't as visually dramatic as the Ferrari, which i would need from a supercar.