PDA

View Full Version : The best car EVER



GrimaH
05-11-2004, 01:28 AM
Which car do you think is the best automobile that ever came to Earth? Feel free to post your views!

Spastik_Roach
05-11-2004, 01:38 AM
Porsche 911. Because no car has ever blended comfort, practicality, looks, reliability and awesome thrills in to one car like it does..

rb30
05-11-2004, 01:57 AM
well said spastik, I agree 100%

elsamico
05-11-2004, 02:22 AM
i think its not the porsche, i would prefer to go with some thing like a Mercedes E55 AMG because that is pure luxury ,class, and brute force, i think also its quite affective because it is unsespecting with looks, but has a hidden 5.5 liter , 500bhp engine..
i would also say that the new aston DB9 would beat off a porsche with a stick...

Cotterik
05-11-2004, 02:43 AM
the ford mustang, revolutionary in the 60s an 70s an still goin strong. I dont see this car losing the throne for a while to come, it shows no sign of ageing. Although the best was arguably the 1967 Mustang GT range and ofcourse the shelby gt500, ford show signs of bringing the mustang back to how we loved it most. Brilliant car

SL500
05-11-2004, 02:49 AM
'55 300 slr coupe

Boxster17
05-11-2004, 03:16 AM
MY favorite car company has been and always will be Porsche, just because of their original styling, good sports car practicality, and awesome performance. Yet, I still think that one of the best cars ever would be:

Benz 1955 SL300 Gullwing Coupe

R34GTR
05-11-2004, 03:42 AM
How can you forget the almighty Mclaren F1 still unbeaten after al these years and it's naturally aspirated V12, no car has ever touched it.

ace
05-11-2004, 03:51 AM
I also like the Porche 911, unfortunately no mater how much I like them or how much money I make, at 6''2' i'm just to big to get in the things.

junaman
05-11-2004, 03:53 AM
I agree with Boxster17 and SL500 the 55' SL300 Gulllwing Coupe is one of the greatest cars of all time. And made by my favourite car company.

The Mclaren F1, Porsche 911 come close afterwards.
Perhaps the Dodge Tomahawk will compete with these if it is produced?

motorsportnerd
05-11-2004, 05:14 AM
Everyone's going for more exotic cars. I'll go with significance and chose two mundane cars.
Anyone remember the Car of the Century? The Ford Model T. First car to really bring motoring to the masses, first truly mass produced car and no other car has ever been as significant.
The original Mini comes second. Significant leap forward in packaging, with remarkable space efficency. In production for over 40 years. Classless. And a hoot to drive, with victories in major motorsport events such as the Monte Carlo Rally.
We're dealing with almost 120 years of history since the first car (1885 Benz), so picking a "best" ever is very difficult. Picking the most significant is a little easier.

Wouter Melissen
05-11-2004, 05:50 AM
Obviously the Mini!

Sweeney921
05-11-2004, 05:56 AM
Koenigsegg CCR

henk4
05-11-2004, 06:01 AM
The Citroen DS, being the "most ahead of its time" car ever to be put in series production. (1955)

SilverG35SportC
05-11-2004, 06:42 AM
I would say the 911 because its so timeless and then the MClarenF1. You cant beat a 6.1L naturally aspirated 627hp Bmw V12 :D :) :cool:

VtecMini
05-11-2004, 07:12 AM
Hehe, I'm with Wouter. The Mini is the grand daddy. And like all good grandparents, it beats it's descendent, that blasted BMW abomination. :D

cls12vg30
05-11-2004, 07:31 AM
I'd have to agree with motorsportnerd, when talking about the "best car ever" it's hard to define "best" since so many factors are involved, and are of varying importance to different people, but the most logical train of thought would be the car that has impacted the world the most, and that would be the Ford Model T.
I think the number of cars sold worldwide is a pretty good indication of a model's significance, so right up there with the model T would have to be the original VW Beetle, no other car has sold as many or been so pervasive in almost every part of the world.

Benz_Boy_1
05-11-2004, 09:16 AM
The S-Class, a huge step up in the class, and the autombile, and even with many new competitors is still at the top of the class

henk4
05-11-2004, 08:01 PM
I think the number of cars sold worldwide is a pretty good indication of a model's significance, so right up there with the model T would have to be the original VW Beetle, no other car has sold as many or been so pervasive in almost every part of the world.

There is any chance than that ultimately the Lada (many millions built yet and still in production) will become the best car of the world, and though its original, the Fiat 124 became European car of the year in 1965 (and was my car of choice for getting my drivers lessons) I think to be nominated the best car ever is a bit too much honour

Coventrysucks
05-11-2004, 09:14 PM
Intensely difficult though it is to pick one single car that can unquestionably be called "the best", I have to agree on the Porsche 911.

In particular, the narrow body RUF Turbo R version:
It is practical, in that you can easily fit all of your luggage/ shopping in, or if you choose, 4 people (at a tight squeeze).
It is easy to drive as an everyday car, you have the joy of being able to see out the back for instance.
It has 4 wheel drive, so you can go off-road (well, a flat field is the limit, but its more than most SUV's see.)
It had huge performance, the acceleration to 200+mph is absolutely effortless.
The engine is still only a 3.6, so fuel consumption is still reasonable, and servicing costs are significantly less than the tens of thousands you pay for your McLaren.

See how fast it is:
http://www.sleepy-fish.com/sleepy/RUFs_lo.wmv ~ 10MB dial-up friendly
http://www.sleepy-fish.com/sleepy/RUFs_hi.wmv ~ 20MB broadband

(Interesting to see how the CTR is still faster, despite being 14 years older.)

Spastik_Roach
05-11-2004, 11:08 PM
i think its not the porsche, i would prefer to go with some thing like a Mercedes E55 AMG because that is pure luxury ,class, and brute force, i think also its quite affective because it is unsespecting with looks, but has a hidden 5.5 liter , 500bhp engine..
i would also say that the new aston DB9 would beat off a porsche with a stick...

E55 just is a bit too subtle. Its the wow factor of the Porsche, the styling that everyone recognises, that makes it such a great car. The greatest car in the world will never be a sedan, its too boring and conventional.

And with the Aston DB9, I don't think so...

Porsche 911 996 Turbo: 0-60 in 3.9 secs, on to a top speed of 189MPH

Aston Martin DB9 0-60 in 4.7 seconds, on to a top speed of 186MPH..

Winoman
05-12-2004, 02:32 AM
My choice: My Volkwagen Beetle was undestructable -till the german TÜV finished his (legal) "life". It was my best car ever -I got it as a (old and rusty) gift after an accident, drove it for 6 years and 100.000 km with nearly no costs and a consumption of 6,5/7 litres of fuel for 100 km and without any breakdowns on freeways as on dirt roads. My dream car: a Bugatti T 50 profilé, it could also be a Monteverdi 450 SS "Hai"/Shark -or (more common) maybe a Marcos 1600/1800 GT, a Melkus RS 1000 or a Volkswagen Brasilia SP 2.

thetruelogger
05-17-2004, 10:44 PM
I'd defintely take an orginal Ford G.T 40 talk about a killer also a 1967 shelby 427 ac cobra wouldn't be bad

mattgras1124
05-20-2004, 02:00 PM
I say 71' Plymoth Hemi Cuda. Got some pics below!

mx512p
12-29-2004, 08:26 AM
With any doubt, Porsche 911 (all) or the Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale

hotwheels
12-29-2004, 08:54 AM
my opinion on this one is the 2000 ford mustang cobra R again, just my .02

6'bore
12-29-2004, 09:41 AM
Lambourghini countach. Provoked debates and started arguements across the world. When that happens, you know you've got yourself an amazing car

Meltdown
01-02-2005, 09:40 PM
Its a definate tie between the 2004 Toyota Highlander and 2003 v6 Mustang, they're both in our garage, heh; Damn Im good.

clutch-monkey
01-03-2005, 12:43 AM
a v6 mustang? whats the point of having a mustang without a v8?

Turbo-Charged
01-03-2005, 04:33 AM
Alot of people seem to agree its the 911 turbo. It's pure perfection :cool: .

6'bore
01-03-2005, 11:03 AM
Its a definate tie between the 2004 Toyota Highlander and 2003 v6 Mustang, they're both in our garage, heh; Damn Im good.

Its not really cool to bum your self and say that your good? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Meltdown
01-03-2005, 04:48 PM
Whats the point of a v6 stand? 190 horsepower and rwd in a brand new car for 12,000 dollars out the door. Cheapest new car we could find with that power and rwd.

I know its not cool for me to say i'm good, but it's funny to me... and I am damn good. heh heh

CdocZ
01-03-2005, 04:57 PM
a v-6 mustang? thats not a real mustang. id have to say.....dodge viper. it perfectly fits my view of a real hard core car. loud powerful engine, built to go fast, not to straddle 50 different goals. it performs its goal (being a fast great handling roadster) VERY well. but, thats only if you want my opinion for cars of that type. if you want to look at practical cheap roadsters, id say lotus. all out supercar? probably a pagani zonda 7.3s, saleen s7, or a carrera gt. for comfort......bentleys and rolls can be changed too much, they can be nearly completly customized except for the exterior.

aNOBLEman
01-03-2005, 05:12 PM
Ferrari 250 GTO, Chevelle SS(386), and Noble M400 all cross my mind as very very good cars. There's the screaming 3L V-12, a 386 cu. in. V-8 with lots of torque, and a very nice and light twin turbo V-6. Then there's fairly good handling, pretty much straight line only, and very good handling. These are just some of my many favorite cars.

Meltdown
01-03-2005, 05:13 PM
I wasn't serious when I said the 2003 v6 mustang was the best car ever. To honestly name it I would say... Ford Mustang? It did sell 22,000 the first day it was released, a sales record still in place today. 419 000 by a year after it was released; Amazing numbers today and this was in the mid 60's

I would also say the Corolla is the best car ever. It holds the record for the most model sales over its entire development period, and is increasing that record every day.

The best car sells the most.

CdocZ
01-03-2005, 05:15 PM
no.....not neccasarily, that just means its A) kinda cool looking B) you get your money's worth in engineering, and C) you get the room you pay for. how many it sells doesnt mean b.s., except that its agreed that its a good deal and is kinda cool.doesnt mean b.s. past that

cmcpokey
01-03-2005, 05:20 PM
best car ever?
well, the model T is up there. i think the mini and the bug are way up there too.

my favorite cars are a bit different. the 1957 Ferrari 250 TR, the 1939 Delahaye Type 165, and the mini.

so i guess my answer woudl be the mini since it sits on both

Meltdown
01-03-2005, 07:44 PM
Unfortunetly, you're being too narrow minded to realise the different aspects of the best. Ask any sales person what makes the best car and they will agree with me. Ask the owner of Pagani what makes the best car and he wont agree with me. To say the aspect of sales volume doesnt mean b.s. is as worthless as saying, "A v6 Mustang isn't a real Mustang." There's an inherant error that can't be erased.

CdocZ
01-03-2005, 08:06 PM
dude, i know its officially a real mustang. ever hear of heritage? also, just cuz something sells really well doesnt mean its good. you live in america meltdown? if you do, or even if you dont, explain suv's. they cant do crap, and what they can do, a real truck can do better, for cheaper. YET they sell amazingly well. to sell really really well, is create a car that is pretty reliable, gets good gas mileage, looks cool, has a nice amount of interior room, and doesnt cost much. thats IT. it doesnt mean its an amazing car, it means that people who cant afford much can get something kinda cool, and can save them money compared to something else in the long run. your an idiot if all you go by is sales. thats like saying aston martins and zondas suck cause they dont sell well enough, when the real reason is zonda factories are too few and too small to produce alot, and EVERYthing a.m. makes is limited. does that mean they suck? according to you meltdown, they do, and your wrong, so consider your logic before you apply it
EDIT: oh yeah, i talked to a sales guy who is a family friend, works at a used dealership in my area, has driven zondas, enzos, cgt's, practically everything (the dealership is a normal used dealership, the exotics are not because of the dealership, but because friends want his opinion on cars because of his incredibly vast knowledge about hundreds of cars)

CdocZ
01-03-2005, 08:10 PM
ok, to sum up what i said since its probably kinda confusing. capitolism at work. make a good product, wether its amazing or not, but make it cheap, yet retain enough quality, and many will be sold quickly. capitalism at work

Meltdown
01-03-2005, 08:19 PM
Your response is vastly flawed, sorry. I never said any car was of lower quality. I explained that the definition of the "best car" changes with everyone's viewpoint, depending on life experience and knowledge. In fact, to say that one car is better than another is simply personal opinion. A person with experience in both could say a Yugo is better than a BMW 7-series.
His reasons could be, the Yugo is slower and smaller. It requires more work to run properly (this could be a positive in his eyes as he may love to work on cars). It is not a big loss if it is destroyed, because you can replace it ten times with the same model and it still wouldnt cost half the price of the first BMW.
And guess what, you can't prove him wrong. His reasons are viable enough for him and for him, it would be a better car.

For me, in referring to what I view as the best quality of a car (its sale-ability), I would say the Corolla and the Mustang are the best cars ever made. And guess what, you can't prove me wrong; only further express your views while imagining that myne are wrong. Have fun...

CdocZ
01-03-2005, 08:25 PM
wow. you just basically took everything i said, and put it into a perspective that is just stupid. i never said your opinion itself was stupid. i was bashing your LOGIC! as in, your REASONING. it is completly STUPID to base wether a car is better then another just off of sales figures. unless its like the g35 sedan vs. the acura tl kind of thing. all you said was that everyone was being narrowminded, and needed to look at the real aspects that make a car good, then you said some toyota, and said it was the best, because its sold the most. if THATS what decides wether cars are good or not, thats quite a bad way to pick what car to buy. thats basically a simpler version of what i said before. and also, next time you say something. bring ALL your reasoning. you were looking at car's marketing ability. we werent. you need to say that, and why you think its best. if you dont rbing all your evidence, you look retarded but you dont realize it cause those thoughts were part of your thought process, but not what you typed. so, wow, we really agreed, but you were just being an ignorant fool by not saying what you were comparing cars by. yes, indeed, for marketing ability you are right. but by actual "goals accomplished" and sheer quality, no you are not, so next time, as i have now said like 10 times in this single post, SAY HOW YOUR COMPARING!

Rockefella
01-03-2005, 08:27 PM
wow. you just basically took everything i said, and put it into a perspective that is just stupid. i never said your opinion itself was stupid. i was bashing your LOGIC! as in, your REASONING. it is completly STUPID to base wether a car is better then another just off of sales figures. unless its like the g35 sedan vs. the acura tl kind of thing. all you said was that everyone was being narrowminded, and needed to look at the real aspects that make a car good, then you said some toyota, and said it was the best, because its sold the most. if THATS what decides wether cars are good or not, thats quite a bad way to pick what car to buy. thats basically a simpler version of what i said before. and also, next time you say something. bring ALL your reasoning. you were looking at car's marketing ability. we werent. you need to say that, and why you think its best. if you dont rbing all your evidence, you look retarded but you dont realize it cause those thoughts were part of your thought process, but not what you typed. so, wow, we really agreed, but you were just being an ignorant fool by not saying what you were comparing cars by. yes, indeed, for marketing ability you are right. but by actual "goals accomplished" and sheer quality, no you are not, so next time, as i have now said like 10 times in this single post, SAY HOW YOUR COMPARING!

dude, he's right, a camry is a better car than a Porsche because it sells more.

CdocZ
01-03-2005, 08:31 PM
i said, we agree, and most of what i said, was that he needed to say in the beginning that he was comparing the camry to other cars based on its "sellability", and not performance. so really we agree. so lets end the stubbornness and confusion right now, cause i know what he did, he just forgot a single line of type, ive done it many times, and most of that last post was giving him that sound piece of advice. he never said originally that he was comparing sellability, he needed to make that more clear, and now i realize that, and im just trying to prevent further pain from this sort of thing in the future by stressing that peice of advice. its very confusing i know, but.......yeah, pretty much, thats it

Meltdown
01-03-2005, 08:36 PM
It just depends on who you ask, you're not opening yourself to the definition of the word. My opinion is formed from my logic.
If I'm a saleserson, I will always view the Camry to be a better car than the Land Cruiser. Because the Camry is my money maker, it doesn't matter if its less refined, less comfortable, and less prestigious than the Land Cruiser. A Ford sales manager would view the Escort as better than any Ferrari, because Ferrari doesn't pay the bills. On the other hand, a race car driver with no noticeable budget would view the Ferrari as best.

The starter of the thread did not specify, "Which car is the best in terms of driving fun and ingenuity"; the entire thread to begin with contained more fallacies than I could mention. If you can't open your mind to this, I can't help you... and you won't pass any advanced English courses in college.

Rockefella
01-03-2005, 08:37 PM
i said, we agree, and most of what i said, was that he needed to say in the beginning that he was comparing the camry to other cars based on its "sellability", and not performance. so really we agree. so lets end the stubbornness and confusion right now, cause i know what he did, he just forgot a single line of type, ive done it many times, and most of that last post was giving him that sound piece of advice. he never said originally that he was comparing sellability, he needed to make that more clear, and now i realize that, and im just trying to prevent further pain from this sort of thing in the future by stressing that peice of advice. its very confusing i know, but.......yeah, pretty much, thats it
K.. I didn't understand that post too well but the post that I made above was a joke. :p

CdocZ
01-03-2005, 08:39 PM
dude, your still arguing when i said i agree with you. wtf?! also, did you really read my post, which was advice (sorry if it sounded like an argument, but the personal experiances ive gone thru concerning clarification were quite bad, and i dont want others to suffer that pointlessely). once again, sorry, you just needed to clarify and say how you were comparing the camry. you didnt, and it didnt make any sense. now it does. why the hell are you still arguing?

CdocZ
01-03-2005, 08:39 PM
K.. I didn't understand that post too well but the post that I made above was a joke. :p
dont worry, my rhetoric is very VERY bad :o

Manik
01-24-2005, 08:08 PM
ii would have to say the 911 too. it has comfort, street performance, track performance, great racing history, good rally history too. stunning lines only downside is the price....

Matra et Alpine
01-25-2005, 08:08 AM
ii would have to say the 911 too. it has comfort, street performance, track performance, great racing history, good rally history too. stunning lines only downside is the price....
That's cheating as the 911 is a car RANGE :)
WHICH 911 ?

ZeTurbo
01-26-2005, 10:17 PM
Porsche 911. Because no car has ever blended comfort, practicality, looks, reliability and awesome thrills in to one car like it does..
you sound like me! :D
toook the words out of my mouth.
911 is it!

EDIT:
untill now i would consider the 911 (993) as the one i liked the most, and because it ws the last air cooled 911. however, now i think the 997 is number 1.

so i say 911 (997) as the greatest.

GTR Dreamer
01-27-2005, 01:01 AM
yea, the 911 GT3 is awesome, but there are many others that i could list...:)

jcp123
01-27-2005, 02:02 AM
For me it's the '58-59 Cadillacs. Comfort, good engineering, and an equipment level that still puts many cars of today to shame (power seats, windows, locks, steering, and brakes, auto on/off headlights with automatic dimmer, air conditioning, self-leveling air ride. Although I could do without the fancy headlights and air ride). All in one of the best-looking, and definitely noticible styling jobs of all time. Add to that the fact that most of the models are reasonably easily affordable for a workaday falla like me.

Although the Hartmann-bodied 1937 Cadillac Roadster currently on display at the Blackhawk Auto Museum here in California comes pretty close. Pure style that car is.

Fleet 500
01-29-2005, 07:45 PM
As several have said, it's very hard to call one car "best." Especially when how "best" is not defined in this thread.

I would pick, for longevity and reliability...

Cadillac- The '59-'63 had a durable engine (390) and the '68-'70 high-compression 472s, along with the turbo-hydramatic transmissions, were very well built. Among Cadillac fans, it's almost taken for granted that you can buy a late '50s through 1970 Cadillac and not have to do anything to the engine (not counting oil changes and minor tune-ups). With this era of Cadillacs, you can expect a smooth and comfortable ride, plenty of power, room to spare, perfectly acceptable handling for average driving and in general a long lasting car.

- The 1955-1958 Chrysler 300 series had the tough and rugged Hemi engines. A good combination of ride and handling with power to spare. Big enough not to feel cramped inside but can still can have no problem going through mountain roads.

- The '64-'67 Dodge Darts were well known for almost legendary reliability. With either slant six or V-8 you could count on many trouble-free miles of driving.

patolincar
01-29-2005, 08:14 PM
I LIKE THE MERCEDES-BENZ GOLDWING 300SL 1954... :D
IN GENERAL I LIKE ALL MODELS MERCEDES :confused:

SupraMan22
01-30-2005, 11:52 AM
McLaren F1 LM, road legal race car right there.

my porsche
01-30-2005, 12:05 PM
you sound like me! :D
toook the words out of my mouth.
911 is it!

EDIT:
untill now i would consider the 911 (993) as the one i liked the most, and because it ws the last air cooled 911. however, now i think the 997 is number 1.

so i say 911 (997) as the greatest.

i think its the 996 gt3 rs, its just the most pure successor to the 2.7 rs ever

EDIT: but yeah, the new carrera s with sport chrono pack, pccb (porsche carbon ceramic brakes), pasm (porsche active suspention maneagement) and all the track goodies it awesome

Porsche ī77
01-31-2005, 01:36 PM
welllll, eeeeeeeerrrrrrrr, itīs a bit difficult. but well, in my signature says Porsche 356 carrera. So....... porsche 356 carrera

Lagonda
01-31-2005, 01:44 PM
That's cheating as the 911 is a car RANGE :)
WHICH 911 ?

Indeed. And the same goes for the dude that said "S-class", there are many S-class models and many generations of this model.

As for the question: well honestly, there is no such thing.

:Exige:
01-31-2005, 02:42 PM
Mclaren F1 GT .. luxury, 3 seats, 0-100kph below 3.2s .. Top speed possible exceed 240.1 mph.

Koenigsegg_CC
01-31-2005, 04:46 PM
The Maclaren F1 definatly!

ScionDriver
01-31-2005, 05:46 PM
I think when it comes down to it, it could very well be the Mini. You need something, in my view, that is 1) Practical 2) Sporty 3) Good performer 4) Comfortable 5) Reliable So I think I pick the Mini, or like an '85 Volvo 240 Turbo. Or pretty much any Volvo in the last 30 years. However they cost a lot to maintain, or so I read.

Spastik_Roach
01-31-2005, 10:23 PM
Citroen Ds.

End of story.

Lamospeed23
02-01-2005, 07:15 PM
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, oohh yeah nice car but a bit pricy!!!

early93viper
02-01-2005, 08:19 PM
Diablo SV at least thats what I love. :)

dydzi
02-02-2005, 06:43 AM
its very hard to say, many cars were veri important, like porsches 911 and 917K, mclaren f1 or miura

Turbonutter55
02-12-2005, 04:17 AM
DS is an undeniably great car. The engine, though small, had all the power you'll ever need, and it's still futuristic NOW! I think it could have saved Citroen in the 70s if they has tried to sell it in post-fuel-crisis America. The small engine (2.3 litres on the biggest-engined model) would give it the economy people wanted, and it had the size and performance that the Japanese imports of the day lacked.
DS for "best car", but 1955 300SLR coupe for coolest. 180 mph in the most beautiful car on earth (DS being second, Jaguar XKE third).

Spastik_Roach
02-12-2005, 04:24 AM
DS is an undeniably great car. The engine, though small, had all the power you'll ever need, and it's still futuristic NOW! I think it could have saved Citroen in the 70s if they has tried to sell it in post-fuel-crisis America. The small engine (2.3 litres on the biggest-engined model) would give it the economy people wanted, and it had the size and performance that the Japanese imports of the day lacked.
DS for "best car", but 1955 300SLR coupe for coolest. 180 mph in the most beautiful car on earth (DS being second, Jaguar XKE third).

But remember, to our American buddies French are pinko commie cheese eating surrender-monkeys... :D

henk4
02-12-2005, 04:30 AM
At the current retromobile exhibition in Paris 50 years of DS is being celebrated. Apart from a number of complete cars, there are also some engines on show that were intended to replace the four pot, but never made it. There are two flat sixes, a V6 and even a a three liter V8 designed in 1960 with 130 BHP.

Matra et Alpine
02-12-2005, 06:08 AM
Mini Cooper 'S' ( not the BMW )

derekthetree
02-12-2005, 06:42 AM
vw beetle (original)

a car that gave mobility to 21,529,464 people, what car could be more influential.

:Exige:
02-12-2005, 07:37 AM
vw beetle (original)

a car that gave mobility to 21,529,464 people, what car could be more influential.
Were not looking for the most influential .. were looking for the best. 21,529,464 people can tell you its not :p

derekthetree
02-12-2005, 10:45 AM
Were not looking for the most influential .. were looking for the best. 21,529,464 people can tell you its not :p

maybe most influential does mean best :D

:Exige:
02-12-2005, 11:36 AM
maybe most influential does mean best :D
It was so popular because it was so cheap :p Cheap steering, cheap materials, cheap drivers :p :p :p :p

derekthetree
02-13-2005, 01:47 AM
It was so popular because it was so cheap :p Cheap steering, cheap materials, cheap drivers :p :p :p :p

exactly cheap components means accessibility to everyone

how many people have driven let alone own a mclaren f1, can't really be pronounced 'best car ever' if noone has driven it :P

i bet you could pick up a beetle for the price of one wheelnut for the f1 :D

6'bore
02-13-2005, 02:19 PM
Do I need to sat much more?

ZeTurbo
02-13-2005, 10:10 PM
close call between , 911, beetle and the Mclaren... but in the end... 9111

why? fast, reliable, stylish, practical... timeless masterpiece. -you can't beat that.

fa22_raptor
02-14-2005, 06:59 AM
close call between , 911, beetle and the Mclaren... but in the end... 9111

why? fast, reliable, stylish, practical... timeless masterpiece. -you can't beat that.
Which 911 are you talking about? Or in general.. (which is kinda cheating :D)

Turbonutter55
02-14-2005, 09:37 AM
But remember, to our American buddies French are pinko commie cheese eating surrender-monkeys... :D
Yes, but they weren't then. Many americans in the 70s remembered Pearl Harbor or had fought in the Pacific. There was a large amount of anti-Japanese feeling when the Japanese cars (such as the Honda Civic) began to appear, and they were compared to the cheap and unreliable Japanese electronics of several years before. Compared to that, buying a French car would have seemed positively patriotic, and the few recent French products people would have seen would seem the opposite of the Japanese radios etc.

sandwich
02-14-2005, 09:59 PM
lots of good suggestions...and while I will say the mustang, mini, and a few others are big, I'd like to point out my choices:

The audi is awesome, but I don't consider it to be the best car ever. Yeah, AWD is cool, but these cars are a PITA ( i own one) and awd is not the best thing in every situation. Yeah, I drove my car in the blizzard this year, and it was awesome, but on dry pave RWD is just as good if not better. Therefore, I don't choose this car as #1, but rather as an Important factor in bring high performance to the masses.

The 911, while being all the things mentioned, is still outdated. Rear engined cars are simply outdated. For chrissakes porsche, move the engine to the middle. It's just better. You know it as well as I. All the chassis tweaks in the world won't make it the same. Therefore, porsche loses my vote.

Ahh...now what would you choose, sandwich? Hmmm....what car has spurred abstract thinking, brought about better cars while avoiding racing, and invented an entirely different category of automobile? I venture forth the Lamborghini Miura. It wasn't the first Mid-engined car, but I think this car single-handedly invented the supercar. For years people have been trying to better one another, and continually we get faster and better cars to drool over. Can we afford any of them? Hells no, but we can dream. Thus, this car started a revolution from cars that were relatively simple and unrefined to cars that were simply astounding. Because of it, we have cars like the F1 and the Countache today. No, it wasn't sold in immense numbers, and no, it didn't have racing triumphs, but I like my cars rare, and I don't race to often. Do you?

Porsche ī77
02-17-2005, 12:29 AM
they couldnīt move the engine to the middle. itīs would not be a 911, and the middle engine is not necessary better. with rear engine you have more power on the exit of the curves. the problem?? rear engined cars often over -turn so thatīs not easy to control, but thatīs the funny part when you know how to drive one of this.
Having a strange engine position is not always bad, moreover, thatīs part of the 911 legend

sandwich
02-17-2005, 01:20 PM
moreover, who cares?

a mid-mounted engine provides better weight balance in almost all cases. why isn't the carrera GT rear-engined? Because it's not a good idea. Why does porsche continue to mount their engines in the trunk? Because people like you will continue to buy them, even if it's the same car year after year.

Lower polar weight distrubution (ie keep all the weight between the axles) will yield a better ride.

I agree, the porsche is a legend in it's own right. It's just not the best car ever. Regardless of what car you own, or what your daddy drives, or what banner your fanboyship lies under.

Karrmann
02-17-2005, 02:07 PM
I know you thought I would say Toyota Prius, but I say vector WX-3.

considering that it used aircraft spec rivits, and all the latest technology in aircraft spec parts.

well, look here for more info.

www.vectorsupercars.com/videos/by2000.mov

UCR
02-17-2005, 02:22 PM
I know you thought I would say Toyota Prius, but I say vector WX-3.

considering that it used aircraft spec rivits, and all the latest technology in aircraft spec parts.

well, look here for more info.

www.vectorsupercars.com/videos/by2000.mov
Yeah but your an idiot.

sandwich
02-17-2005, 02:24 PM
Gee, 800k dollars...i wonder why they stopped making cars?

I saw a picture of that HUD/LCD gauge display they have, and IT BLOWS. You would have to concentrate so hard to tell exactly what was happening...Tach, speed, Odo, all right next to each other....thanks, but I'll keep my aircraft electronics in my aircraft, and nice, big white faced gauges in my supercars.

sandwich
02-17-2005, 02:25 PM
Oh yeah, and the aircraft spec rivets (3.5K$ worth?) make the car better. Seriously, they do. They're way better than regular rivets, or even welds. Who wants welds when you can have rivets?

Manik
02-20-2005, 10:30 AM
That's cheating as the 911 is a car RANGE :)
WHICH 911 ?

the 993 stye body was the one of the first to come in with some comfort, it had great performance and spectacular looks. :D

Nella
02-22-2005, 07:03 AM
Porsche 911. Because no car has ever blended comfort, practicality, looks, reliability and awesome thrills in to one car like it does..

The Beetle...or as I like to call mine, a Baby Porsche.. if it weren't for beetles, there may not have been Porsches. :p

DanVB
02-23-2005, 09:44 PM
Thats a difficult choice, but the original Mustang has to be up there. It was the first real performance car for the masses at a reasonable cost, attractive styling and great potential for self-modification.

jcp123
02-24-2005, 06:25 PM
Oh boy. V16 Cadillacs, indeed all Cads from the 30's through to the early-mid 70's...Packards, Lincolns, Duesenbergs, Pierce-Arrows, etc from various years are great cars.

For me, the '59 Cadillac was the epitome for motordom. Everything before let up to it, and everything since has been downhill.

Lets Gekiga In
02-24-2005, 09:14 PM
Ferrari 288 GTO Evoluzione.

Manik
03-01-2005, 05:04 PM
The Beetle...or as I like to call mine, a Baby Porsche.. if it weren't for beetles, there may not have been Porsches. :p

I agree porsche sure wouldn't be around if it wern't for the beetle, the first 356 was constructed off of a beetle frame.

clutch-monkey
03-02-2005, 10:07 PM
honda civic.

no, not really.

austy351
03-05-2005, 12:29 PM
i would have to say the (in my opinion) the 1970 mustang boss 429
________
Ship Sale (http://ship-sale.com/)

TIM
03-07-2005, 03:59 PM
The ORIGINAL Mini, not the BMW remake. There is no steering wheel like the Mini's. Try to pass/to overtake a Mini in the mountains. You can do 90° turns at 80 km without hitting the brakes and not drifting off the road, try that with any other car!! I wouldn't believe it myself if I hadn't driven a Mini Red Hot for a year. (I drove the hell out of that car in the mountains near Nizza/France.) The Mini Cooper was Enzo Ferraris favourite car for the mountains!!! He had a special edition developed for his own use.

kennyknoxville
03-14-2005, 06:18 PM
Lotus Elise.
Toyota Prius.

dapope
03-24-2005, 04:29 PM
Take a car like the new Ford Cobra Mustang. It costs less than 35k and has ice cold air and at least a 460 watt stereo and parts are plentifull. For about 2k you can give it 500 plus horse power to the ground and still drive it across country in comfort and reliably. You can set it up as a road racer or a drag car or for both and with that much power for that kind of money, how can you beat it. The engine will hold probably 600 horsepower and maybe a little more and still be very reliable and go where you want. Parts are everywhere. A lot of the other cars are so expensive you couldn't take them to Las Vegas and park then anywhere so what good are they? And what if somebody runs into you with a McLaren or a 959 Porche, How much and how fast will it be fixed. Even a Ferrari that will do 200mph couldn't beat the stang in a drag race. Probably couldn't catch it until 160 or so from a dead stop. What about thieves? Those expensive cars fetch a pretty penny? You could argue for the Cobra, a Viper, a Vette or even a Roush stage 3 mustang. It will do over 170, run a 12.60 quarter mile and corner with anything and stop on a dime.

Joe Pug

dapope
03-24-2005, 04:35 PM
I'd have to agree with motorsportnerd, when talking about the "best car ever" it's hard to define "best" since so many factors are involved, and are of varying importance to different people, but the most logical train of thought would be the car that has impacted the world the most, and that would be the Ford Model T.
I think the number of cars sold worldwide is a pretty good indication of a model's significance, so right up there with the model T would have to be the original VW Beetle, no other car has sold as many or been so pervasive in almost every part of the world.

It wasn't the model T that was important but the methods that Hank Ford came up with that revolutionized the industry. Had any body in the world figured it out first then their car would have sold hundreds of thousands. Now the bug sold a lot because of itself: not a method. Good case for it!

Joe Pug, Roush stage 3

dapope
03-24-2005, 04:40 PM
A Viper out performs all of these cars and costs much less. It is also very dependable and American.

Joe Pug, Roush stage 3

dapope
03-24-2005, 04:49 PM
There are more repair shops for Bugs per capita than any other car. Too tender!

Joe Pug, stage 3 Roush

Manik
03-24-2005, 06:08 PM
A Viper out performs all of these cars and costs much less. It is also very dependable and American.

Joe Pug, Roush stage 3

But not much lower, it's still a $100, 000 car, IMO the 2005 C5 Corvette is a better deal than the viper. And if the regular C5 isn't enough you could step it up with the Z06 C5 corvette. And it only ups the regular corvette price of $50, 000 about $10, 000. So you are paying for the chevy corvette Z06 which performs very much like the viper for a way lower price. It is probably the cheapest exotic or high end car on the market in North America. But I doubt in Europe, but not sure though.

CdocZ
03-24-2005, 06:10 PM
But not much lower, it's still a $100, 000 car, IMO the 2005 C5 Corvette is a better deal than the viper. And if the regular C5 isn't enough you could step it up with the Z06 C5 corvette. And it only ups the regular corvette price of $50, 000 about $10, 000. So you are paying for the chevy corvette Z06 which performs very much like the viper for a way lower price. It is probably the cheapest exotic or high end car on the market in North America. But I doubt in Europe, but not sure though.

Someone I know bought a C5 (while ago), for 51k. Depends on how it is loaded, so 50k for a Z06 is probably bare of options.

costaki
03-25-2005, 11:35 AM
I think that BENTLEY Continental is the best and the gratesc car in the world!

MartiniTurbo935
04-24-2005, 11:26 AM
I would have to say that the Porsche 962 race cars would have to be at the top of my list as the best cars ever made, whereas production street cars, i'd probably say something like the E55 AMG

Blitz_
04-25-2005, 12:39 AM
the best car ever? impossible to conclude with a real answer, but i would have to say the mustand, in terms of aussie pride, the GTHO phase 3

F6 TORNADO
04-25-2005, 01:49 AM
My Top 5:

1. McLaren F1 LM
2. Rolls Royce Phantom
3. Porsche 911 (993)
4. Ford XY Falcon GTHO Phase III
5. Ford Mustang Fastback

Luciferous
04-25-2005, 02:31 AM
Best car ever...
...

I got some contenders...

C3 Corvette: the shape says it all.

Mini Cooper: revolutionised the small car industry

Range Rover: put 4WD's on the map

but for me


Lambourghini Muira: the world's first supercar, from a helicopter and tractor manufacturer. Thank you, Lamborghini.

chevyguy
04-26-2005, 11:21 PM
thats a tuffy it would have to be either the hemi dart or a hemi cuda

Abeer
05-09-2005, 07:59 AM
definitly the 911

patolincar
05-09-2005, 12:45 PM
Mercedes-benz 300sl Roadster And Coupe

The Ferrarist
05-09-2005, 12:47 PM
OOOO, Muntos Ferrari.
But the bests - Dino, F50, Enzo...

emperor
05-09-2005, 01:05 PM
Read my signature

Acura/subarufan
05-09-2005, 01:36 PM
Lotus omega/carlton super fast sedan!

Manik
05-09-2005, 07:10 PM
Mercedes-benz 300sl Roadster And Coupe


Oh yes the 300SL. When it came out it was considered to first supercar. I absolutly adore it's elegant lines, the only negative things I have heard aobut the car is that it can get incredible hot inside. Part of the heat comes from the hot exhaust pipes that go right under your feet, I have heard they heat up the car incredibly.

Rockefella
05-09-2005, 07:27 PM
Nissan Skyline R34, nuff said noobs.

Quiggs
05-09-2005, 07:30 PM
Nissan Skyline R34, nuff said noobs.
Bingo.

http://people.zeelandnet.nl/hazewind/2Fast%202Furious-Nissan%20Skyline.jpg

Spastik_Roach
05-10-2005, 12:24 AM
Mad p1mp tyte y0

Koenigsegg_CC
05-10-2005, 03:47 AM
There's too many cars that could be the best car ever but my favourite car ever would be the old Mini

Manik
05-10-2005, 03:17 PM
There's too many cars that could be the best car ever but my favourite car ever would be the old Mini

lol an old mini with a turbocharger! ;) :D

What
05-11-2005, 02:44 AM
A HUMMER.

I can go anywhere in a Hummer. Nothing can stop me. Try crossing a 3 ft deep stream in a McLaren F1 or a Mini.


The F1 sucked anyway. It's overrated.

lukeh
05-11-2005, 03:56 AM
the best car in the world would be probably a Japanese cheap shiter because they have done the best job at marketing it, building it, efficency ect. they are the biggest best cheapest manufactures in the world so i think they have done the best job at building cars.
But my favourite car would have to come from Porsche or BMW

wickedgam
05-15-2005, 01:24 PM
ds and miura.

ESSE
05-16-2005, 03:43 AM
Ferrari Testarossa~~

henk4
05-17-2005, 12:51 PM
ds and miura.

two from my top 10 for sure

henk4
05-17-2005, 12:53 PM
A HUMMER.

I can go anywhere in a Hummer. Nothing can stop me. Try crossing a 3 ft deep stream in a McLaren F1 or a Mini.





try the old centre of Naples (Italy) :D

Manik
05-17-2005, 04:18 PM
A HUMMER.

I can go anywhere in a Hummer. Nothing can stop me. Try crossing a 3 ft deep stream in a McLaren F1 or a Mini.


The F1 sucked anyway. It's overrated.

The hummer is like one of the best offroaders, except the only downside is that it gets incredibly low miles to the gallon. Thats the only thing that chops at the hummers legendary reputation.

RS6
05-17-2005, 04:30 PM
I can go anywhere in a Hummer.

Try British Roads.



Nothing can stop me.

A Tank or large lorry?



The F1 sucked anyway. It's overrated.

So as it's overrated, it automatically sucks?

CRO rJ
05-23-2005, 09:33 AM
What about Ford-shelby gr 1
http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/library/img/large/52970_speed_ford_gr1.jpg
Maybe not the best, but it's very good

Manik
05-23-2005, 06:02 PM
What about Ford-shelby gr 1
http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/library/img/large/52970_speed_ford_gr1.jpg
Maybe not the best, but it's very good


mmm.................Chrome :D !

It is a cool looking automobile, sucks it's only a conept and from what I hear doesn't have much of a chance of coming out. :(

CRO rJ
05-25-2005, 09:50 AM
And what about TVR cerbera speed 12 2004?
800 bhp, 900 kg, 800 Nm (80Kg/m)
http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2004/n02/epist/800/05.jpg

sandwich
05-25-2005, 11:24 AM
looks like a viper + mucho rice.

Seriously, TVR pushes the limits of good taste, but in some cases it can be a good thing. That thing is strange, certainly, but I wouldn't kick it out of bed.

I hear ford is considering producing either the gr-1 or the newer cobra prototype.

badmonkey
05-25-2005, 12:24 PM
hey all, new here and thought I would vote.

hands down.
1970 Ford Mustang BOSS 302

http://pub.pictureview.com/dyx-pv/d-3BDISD/i-23UO7/index7.html

LMK if I did not post the pic correctly, I am new at this.
Tim

Manik
05-25-2005, 02:20 PM
hey all, new here and thought I would vote.

hands down.
1970 Ford Mustang BOSS 302

http://www1.pictureview.com/dyx-pv/d-3BDISD/i-23UO7/index7.html

LMK if I did not post the pic correctly, I am new at this.
Tim

Apparently you have to be a member of picture view to view the photo.

badmonkey
05-25-2005, 02:44 PM
Sorry,
I think I fixed it.
http://pub.pictureview.com/dyx-pv/d-3BDISD/i-23UO7/index7.html

thanks,
Tim

250 GTO
06-02-2005, 06:15 PM
It's hard to choose between the Ferrari 250 GTO and the Mclaren F1

Larry Perkins
04-20-2019, 01:20 PM
The 911 is clearly a superior car. But a precursor, the 356 Super 90 SC is for me the hands-down best all-round "GT" car of its time. It had leather upholstery and all the comforts of home in the cockpit. But the light-weight features included plastic windows with pull-up straps plus aluminum doors, hood and rear deck-lid. The motor was 1585 cc, redlined at about 6500 rpm, with a 4-speed gearbox and disks on all 4 corners.

My own experience with one was co-driving David McClain's #7 car in the 1965 Daytona 2000 Kilometer race, where we finished 11th OA and 1st in Class, 5 laps behind the Cobra of Graham Shaw and Dick Thompson.

Through practice and the race, the car literally ran like a clock, handled like a dream, stopped on a dime, used a couple of quarts of oil and 2 sets of pads, and had never a hiccup. We managed to beat a whole garage-full of heady rolling stock, while tooling along in total comfort...well, pretty good conditions anyhow.

I've raced a Ferrari 250 GTO for 3 years, and owned rear-engined and front-engined road Porsches, but I'd take that cozy, responsive little 90 SC any day!
Larry

henk4
04-20-2019, 02:17 PM
Welcome, Larry, impressive story

a 356 SC is currently being raced in Europe in the Sixties Endurance Series. Owned by Bill Stephens and shared by him and his son Will it is strong participant in this two hour race. The car is of interest because when Bill got it he found out that it was the last factory RHD SC produced.

Porsche 356 SC - Chassis: 131928 - Driver: Bill Stephens / Will Stephens - 2018 Grand Prix de l'Age d'Or (https://www.ultimatecarpage.com/gallery/Porsche-356-SC-137913.html)

jcp123
04-23-2019, 08:51 PM
Thorny premise for this thread. 911 holds the lead, even if I'm rather dispassionate about them.

It depends too much on your needs. Our minivan is a beast at making our lives easy. Want fuel economy? Check out a Chevy Volt.

For my own equation, a practical vehicle with sporty aspirations, a Chevy SS is the way to go. I'm not crazy about sedans, but when you have a great all-arounder like this, I can overlook that.

911 is in the running, VW GTI, too. Looking away from VAG, the Honda Accord is a sedate version of what it means to be a great car, and the E46 M3 is maybe the best GT /sports car ever. Go upmarket, and Lexus' LS series is both reliable and coddling. Fun on a budget? Miata is king, go 90s Civic if you need to carry stuff.

Pick yer poison.

tberg
04-29-2019, 12:10 PM
I must say, I'm surprised at the number of 911 entries, and while I agree that Porche's engineering is legendary, the 911's styling just doesn't inspire passion for me (both inside and out). I guess I would have a problem picking just one car that represents the best of everything, but if I'm pressed to pick something I'd want to have, it would probably be a series 1 Jaguar XKE 'vert.

ramblero
06-19-2019, 10:44 AM
Nope.....1960 Ferrari SWB 250GT

ramblero
06-19-2019, 10:45 AM
....or Lotus Elite

RacingKlaus
02-22-2022, 03:09 PM
I agree