Ferrari F142 spy shots [Archive] - Ultimatecarpage.com forums

faksta

01-16-2009, 09:26 AM

Since I mentioned them in F60 thread, here they are, clearly representing an adjusted F430 body.

LeonOfTheDead

01-16-2009, 09:35 AM

thanks a lot Faksta!
see link for clarification, this a next-F430 mule

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/844460-post32.html

EDIT: sorry for the editing, I messed up a little.
the car should be released by the end of the year or so, since right now they are internally referring to it as a 2010 model year.
codename F142.

faksta

01-16-2009, 09:42 AM

To me they look like somewhat 'official' Ferrari spyshots - so many pictures and of a rather good quality, especially the last two in my post...

LeonOfTheDead

01-16-2009, 09:48 AM

To me they look like somewhat 'official' Ferrari spyshots - so many pictures and of a rather good quality, especially the last two in my post...

I can guarantee it's impossible to take so good shots at Fiorano (that's is Fiorano test track), it's completely hided by trees and other properties, you can just sit an a near bridge with some powerful lenses and wait basically.

I agree this could easily be "official" shots, but the car is the mule of the next F142, so deepthroat told me:)

faksta

01-16-2009, 09:53 AM

Eh..by the way, I hope F142 wouldn't stand for 1.4-liter 2-cylinder car :)

Quiggs

01-16-2009, 09:55 AM

I agree this could easily be "official" shots, but the car is the mule of the next F142, so deepthroat told me:)

Leave Pat's sister out of this.

Hooray, a new Ferrari.

LeonOfTheDead

01-16-2009, 10:04 AM

Eh..by the way, I hope F142 wouldn't stand for 1.4-liter 2-cylinder car :)

nope, it's just the internal name.
it will have the same engine of the California, just anger :)

Leave Pat's sister out of this.

Hooray, a new Ferrari.

does she live in my apartment? I didn't notice her.

baddabang

01-16-2009, 11:05 AM

Leave Pat's sister out of this.

Hooray, a new Ferrari.

nope, it's just the internal name.
it will have the same engine of the California, just anger :)

does she live in my apartment? I didn't notice her.

Wow. Diaf. Both of you.

LeonOfTheDead

01-16-2009, 11:07 AM

Wow. Diaf. Both of you.

so now I know she is your sister, right?

nopassn

01-16-2009, 04:32 PM

extra exhaust... extra air intakes... turbo?

wwgkd

01-16-2009, 04:39 PM

extra exhaust... extra air intakes... turbo?

I've heard rumors that this was the test mule for the new twin turbo V8 for their new super car, and beyond that had nothing to do with the F430.

Bleeding Heart

01-16-2009, 06:44 PM

I've heard rumors that this was the test mule for the new twin turbo V8 for their new super car, and beyond that had nothing to do with the F430.

Regarding that one. Is this going to be the Enzo's Successor?

I have a hunch that this will be the 2010 Millechili.

faksta

01-16-2009, 07:11 PM

Is Millechili really going to be produced? It was just a winner of 2006 design contest, IIRC and the model was already made...

wwgkd

01-16-2009, 07:47 PM

Is Millechili really going to be produced? It was just a winner of 2006 design contest, IIRC and the model was already made...

It's the inspiration for the upcoming car, as I understand it, so in a way it will be produced. With a different name, though.

Bleeding Heart

01-16-2009, 08:05 PM

BTW, isn't this the "codename" for this car, the "FX70" instead of the "FX60".
2011 Ferrari FX / FX70 - Spied/Supercars and Exotics/High Performance/Hot Lists/Reviews/Car and Driver - Car And Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/supercars_and_exotics/2011_ferrari_fx_fx70_spied)
Enzo Ferrari Successor Spy Photos | CarZi (http://www.carzi.com/2008/09/04/enzo-ferrari-successor-spy-photos/)

f6fhellcat13

01-16-2009, 08:22 PM

BTW, isn't this the "codename" for this car, the "FX70" instead of the "FX60".
2011 Ferrari FX / FX70 - Spied/Supercars and Exotics/High Performance/Hot Lists/Reviews/Car and Driver - Car And Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/supercars_and_exotics/2011_ferrari_fx_fx70_spied)
Enzo Ferrari Successor Spy Photos | CarZi (http://www.carzi.com/2008/09/04/enzo-ferrari-successor-spy-photos/)
It's interesting that they say this will be a replacement for the Enzo instead of the F430. I thought they had that covered with the FXX.
Can anybody decode Ferrari's alphanumerical nonsense and tell me what FX-60/70 means?

Bleeding Heart

01-16-2009, 09:11 PM

It's interesting that they say this will be a replacement for the Enzo instead of the F430. I thought they had that covered with the FXX.
Can anybody decode Ferrari's alphanumerical nonsense and tell me what FX-60/70 means?

The FXX is not a road-legal car. It's just a "Halo" Model.

It is the Successor to the F50 GT instead of the Enzo.

f6fhellcat13

01-16-2009, 09:17 PM

The FXX is not a road-legal car. It's just a "Halo" Model.

It is the Successor to the F50 GT instead of the Enzo.
Oh.
I haven't followed it all that closely, but I always assumed that there would eventually be a road-legal FXX.

Bleeding Heart

01-17-2009, 04:32 AM

Oh.
I haven't followed it all that closely, but I always assumed that there would eventually be a road-legal FXX.

Apparently, a tuning company made a street-legal FXX. It was Edo Competition.

edo competition makes the Ferrari FXX street legal (http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/11/24/edo-competition-makes-the-ferrari-fxx-street-legal/)
Autojunk.nl - Ferrari FXX Edo Competition- Video (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Autojunknl-Ferrari-FXX_201091.htm)

faksta

01-17-2009, 05:00 AM

I wouldn't say that FXX is an F50 GT successor - the latter was a purposely built racecar, while the FXX is a research program for amateurs.
As for the numbers in the name of this mule, I don't know what should they mean, cause making its debut in 2010 it wouldn't be neither FX60 nor FX70, following the tradition, because that year Ferrari will be 63, I guess, years old, so FX63 would be the most logical choice :D Although F50 has been taken to a market when Ferrari was 48, right?

Bleeding Heart

01-17-2009, 06:16 AM

I wouldn't say that FXX is an F50 GT successor - the latter was a purposely built racecar, while the FXX is a research program for amateurs.

No. I wasn't talking about the purpose of the car whether it's a research program or a race car, etc.

Because if You look at the FXX, It's more related to the F50 GT, even the F40 LM and the 288 GTO Evoluzione because they are stripped Ferraris with added power and improved performance. None of them has actually a primary purpose on driving on road, they were primarily for track use.

LeonOfTheDead

01-17-2009, 06:23 AM

just to clear things a little.
my info are sure and correct, you are free to doubt, but then don't complain ;)

this cars, the red F430 and the grey 360, are both mules of the next F142 car, aka the replacement for the F430.
it should be unveiled at the end of the year or at the beginning of the 2010.
right now they are considering the F142 a 2010 model year.
the engine will be a tuned version of the unit you find in the California, so an high revving V8 with DI and NA.

the rumored Enzo's successor, will debut much later, at this time, there shouldn't be any kind of mule, prototype or muletype (in Italian, muletto, prototipo and mulottipo, referring to the fact they can use certain parts of the old car or of the new car in a different ratio).
rumors about the fact that car will use a twin turbo V8 engine are correct, even if last word wasn't already been said last time I asked. it's the more likely probability btw.
so, V8, TT, Di.

Millechili concept is nothing but the basic idea, a smaller and lighter car.
the exterior is obviously going to be much different from that and the Enzo, and probably even the name is not going to be Millechili.

the FX60/70 naming refers to the fact such cars were supposed to celebrate Ferrari's 60th and 70th birthday.
tbh, only the F40 was released at the company's 40th birthday, as the F50 was unveiled in 1995, so after 48 years from the foundation, and the Enzo in 2002, so after 55 years.

the real internal naming code is much difference btw, as you see.
for example, the 360 Modena is F131, while the F430 is F131 Evo, because of the car's shared platform (chassis and the likes).
so I doubt FX60 or 70 is the real code name, tbh I'm pretty sure it isn't, I just can't remember the real one.

Bleeding Heart

01-17-2009, 06:40 AM

I surfed the net and I think I found something here.

The Ferrari F450, it's a very likely successor to the F430 from the looks of things. Though, I'm still not very sure if this is really it.

2010 Ferrari F450 - Top Speed (http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ferrari/2010-ferrari-f450-ar39707.html)

LeonOfTheDead

01-17-2009, 07:01 AM

I surfed the net and I think I found something here.

The Ferrari F450, it's a very likely successor to the F430 from the looks of things. Though, I'm still not very sure if this is really it.

2010 Ferrari F450 - Top Speed (http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ferrari/2010-ferrari-f450-ar39707.html)

there isn't nothing to really consider in that link.
the renders are ugly too.
read what I posted above, those info should be something

faksta

01-17-2009, 07:03 AM

Strange there are still no Scaglietti successor projects (or are there any?) - it's the oldest Ferrari of the ones produced today...

LeonOfTheDead

01-17-2009, 07:18 AM

Strange there are still no Scaglietti successor projects (or are there any?) - it's the oldest Ferrari of the ones produced today...

first mules are under testing, the car should be unveiled by the end of 2010 iirc.
I don't remember its code, maybe F147 but it's just a guess.

the next gen of front engined cars will be base on the California platform.
the next Scaglietti engine should be based on the 599 GTB one.

all front engined cars should eb designed so to be ready to accommodate an awd system, which won't be used anyway probably.
iirc the mid engined cars won't be ready to accommodate the awd system.

faksta

01-17-2009, 07:39 AM

Do you have an insider at Ferrari's? :D

LeonOfTheDead

01-17-2009, 07:41 AM

Do you have an insider at Ferrari's? :D

I'm Montezemolo actually...:D

My house mate used to work at Ferrari until last year, now he is at Maserati but probably just for a short period.

Bleeding Heart

01-17-2009, 07:55 AM

I'm Montezemolo actually...:D

My house mate used to work at Ferrari until last year, now he is at Maserati but probably just for a short period.

That explains why you know a lot about this topic... :rolleyes:

digitalcraft

01-18-2009, 01:38 AM

Oh yes F450, that comes with the extended king cab right? Dual rear wheels? Bed liner?

Anyways, I thought the california was sort of a scaglietti sucessor? Like Scaglietti then Fiorano then California. Guess not. The 599GTB wiki page has a nice categorized timeline at the bottom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_599_GTB_Fiorano).

This is what WIki says about an F430 or Enzo sucessor:
"The Millechili (Italian for: one thousand (mille) kilograms (chili)) is a lightweight two-seater loaded with Formula One technology. In many ways it will be a successor to the Enzo, but instead of adding power, Ferrari will subract weight. The Millechili is a derivative of the F430’s aluminum space frame on a slightly longer, 104.3-inch wheelbase. The mid-engine layout will carry a new V10 engine of unknown displacement making upwards of 600 horsepower."

Bleeding Heart

01-18-2009, 04:30 AM

Oh yes F450, that comes with the extended king cab right? Dual rear wheels? Bed liner?

I wasn't talking about the Ford F450, I was talking about this Ferrari:
http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/Ferrari_F450_f430successor_1.jpg
http://www.motoradictos.com/images/2007/07/ferrari_f450_f430successor_2.jpg
It's called the F450, the successor to the 430.

LeonOfTheDead

01-18-2009, 06:07 AM

Oh yes F450, that comes with the extended king cab right? Dual rear wheels? Bed liner?

Anyways, I thought the california was sort of a scaglietti sucessor? Like Scaglietti then Fiorano then California. Guess not. The 599GTB wiki page has a nice categorized timeline at the bottom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_599_GTB_Fiorano).

This is what WIki says about an F430 or Enzo sucessor:
"The Millechili (Italian for: one thousand (mille) kilograms (chili)) is a lightweight two-seater loaded with Formula One technology. In many ways it will be a successor to the Enzo, but instead of adding power, Ferrari will subract weight. The Millechili is a derivative of the F430’s aluminum space frame on a slightly longer, 104.3-inch wheelbase. The mid-engine layout will carry a new V10 engine of unknown displacement making upwards of 600 horsepower."

the V10 was an option discussed about 6 months ago or more, for what I know they then discarded it (and also the possibility of another v12 iirc) in favour of the V8 twin turbo.

btw, the Millechili, as already stated, is just the visualization of the idea behind the car, it has the same value of some notes on a toilet paper tbh.

digitalcraft

01-18-2009, 11:40 AM

I wasn't talking about the Ford F450, I was talking about this Ferrari:
~
It's called the F450, the successor to the 430.

Really? I had no idea! :rolleyes:

culver

01-18-2009, 01:09 PM

It's not likely to be called the F450 in the US. I'm pretty sure Ford has that trademark.

f6fhellcat13

01-18-2009, 01:15 PM

Maybe they'll call it the F458.
45= 4.5L
8=8 cylinders
That's how they used to do it AFAIK.

Kitdy

01-18-2009, 02:03 PM

Leon or anyone else, do we know for a fact the new engine will be a 4.5L? Is it jsut gonna be a bored/stroked version of the current F430's engine?

LeonOfTheDead

01-19-2009, 04:08 AM

Leon or anyone else, do we know for a fact the new engine will be a 4.5L? Is it jsut gonna be a bored/stroked version of the current F430's engine?

up to now, the only fact I know for sure it will use an upgraded version of the California's engine. whether that implies a bigger displacement or not, I don't know, need to ask.

Bleeding Heart

01-19-2009, 06:42 AM

up to now, the only fact I know for sure it will use an upgraded version of the California's engine. whether that implies a bigger displacement or not, I don't know, need to ask.

Wait, isn't the 4.3L V8 engine of the california the same as the ones from the F430???:confused:

LeonOfTheDead

01-19-2009, 06:50 AM

Wait, isn't the 4.3L V8 engine of the california the same as the ones from the F430???:confused:

technically yes and no.
the engine of the F430 served as the base, California's one has, as the main difference, the direct injection, among other things.

from carfolio:

F430's engine
Bore × stroke 92.00 mm × 81.00 mm 3.62 in × 3.19 in
Cylinders V-8 in 90.0° vee
Displacement 4.3 litre 4308 cc (262.89 cu in)
Type DOHC

4 valves per cylinder 32 valves in total
Compression ratio 11.30:1
Maximum power 489.7 PS (483.0 bhp) (360.2 kW) @ 8500 rpm
Specific output 112.1 bhp/litre or 1.84 bhp/cu in
Maximum torque 465.0 Nm (343 ft·lb) (47.4 kgm) @ 5250 rpm
bmep 1356.4 kPa (196.7 psi)
Specific torque 107.94 Nm/litre
Main bearings 5
Coolant Water
Bore/stroke ratio 1.14
Unitary capacity 538.5 cc/cylinder

Scuderia's engine
Bore × stroke 92.00 mm × 81.00 mm 3.62 in × 3.19 in
Cylinders V-8 in 90.0° vee
Displacement 4.3 litre 4308 cc (262.89 cu in)
Type DOHC

4 valves per cylinder
32 valves in total
Construction
Sump Dry sumped
Compression ratio 11.90:1
Fuel system EFI
Maximum power 510 PS (503.0 bhp) (375.1 kW) @ 8500 rpm
Specific output 116.8 bhp/litre or 1.91 bhp/cu in
Maximum torque 470.0 Nm (347 ft·lb) (47.9 kgm) @ 5250 rpm
bmep 1371 kPa (198.8 psi)
Specific torque 109.1 Nm/litre
Maximum rpm 8640 rpm
Main bearings 5
Coolant Water
Bore/stroke ratio 1.14
Unitary capacity 538.5 cc/cylinder

California's engine
Bore × stroke 94.00 mm × 77.37 mm 3.7 in × 3.05 in
Cylinders V-8 in 90.0° vee
Displacement 4.3 litre 4297 cc (262.219 cu in)
Type DOHC

4 valves per cylinder 32 valves in total
Compression ratio 12.20:1
Fuel system direct petrol injection
Maximum power 460.3 PS (454.0 bhp) (338.5 kW) @ 7750 rpm
Specific output 105.7 bhp/litre or 1.73 bhp/cu in
Maximum torque 485.0 Nm (358 ft·lb) (49.5 kgm) @ 5000 rpm
bmep 1418.4 kPa (205.7 psi)
Specific torque 112.87 Nm/litre
Coolant Water
Bore/stroke ratio 1.21
Unitary capacity 537.13 cc/cylinder

LeonOfTheDead

01-22-2009, 07:58 AM

the next V8 mid engined Ferrari should use a 4.7 liter version of the California's unit.

EL Nino

02-10-2009, 12:13 PM

New spy pics.
A big in the middle Exchaust and very funny openings at back of the car.
For more downforce.

Enjoy!

NSXType-R

02-10-2009, 01:54 PM

I wasn't talking about the Ford F450, I was talking about this Ferrari:
http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/Ferrari_F450_f430successor_1.jpg
http://www.motoradictos.com/images/2007/07/ferrari_f450_f430successor_2.jpg
It's called the F450, the successor to the 430.

I would be really disappointed if that were the case. They just decided to put random vents everywhere all over the bumper?

Ferrer

02-10-2009, 03:30 PM

I would be really disappointed if that were the case. They just decided to put random vents everywhere all over the bumper?
Well don't worry then. Because it won't look anything like that.

NSXType-R

02-10-2009, 03:34 PM

Well don't worry then. Because it won't look anything like that.

Good. Ferrari seems to be gravitating for pretty ugly looking cars. Functional, but still ugly.

roosterjuicer

02-10-2009, 03:35 PM

i really wish ferrari would stop with this evolution of the modena for their styling. its getting old and it was never that pretty in the first place f355 was much prettier than the 360 modena.

am i the only person thats getting sick of this body style?

Rockefella

02-10-2009, 04:55 PM

i really wish ferrari would stop with this evolution of the modena for their styling. its getting old and it was never that pretty in the first place f355 was much prettier than the 360 modena.

am i the only person thats getting sick of this body style?

I liked it at first, now it's getting old.

Dino Scuderia

02-10-2009, 05:40 PM

i really wish ferrari would stop with this evolution of the modena for their styling. its getting old and it was never that pretty in the first place f355 was much prettier than the 360 modena.

am i the only person thats getting sick of this body style?

I hated the 360 when I first saw it then it quickly grew on me, it has a great profile and aggressive stance. Never liked the 430, love the Scud. The 360 pretty much marked the end of Ferrari's looking Italian.

Amazing how popular the 355 still is in looks...but to me it looks really old and dated now.

f6fhellcat13

02-10-2009, 06:05 PM

Amazing how popular the 355 still is in looks...but to me it looks really old and dated now.
I have always though that the 355 was good looking in a middle-of-the-road kinda way, not the triumph of post-1980 Italian design many people seem to make it out as.

I hated the 360 when I first saw it then it quickly grew on me, it has a great profile and aggressive stance. Never liked the 430, love the Scud. The 360 pretty much marked the end of Ferrari's looking Italian.
I have never liked the 360 much. I think the 430 is a handsome car, but critically not a pretty one. Better looking than many recent and current Ferraris. (No big achievement :rolleyes:)

Kitdy

02-10-2009, 06:19 PM

Amazing how popular the 355 still is in looks...but to me it looks really old and dated now.

The only flaw with the F355 is the rear spoiler dealie and the area around the lights.

Otherwise, it is pretty much perfect.

roosterjuicer

02-10-2009, 07:20 PM

i like the rear of the f355. i think its still a sharp looking car.

one car i still have involuntary seizures over is...the testarossa! i still that that thing is gorgeous. maybe its the kid in me comin out, that was THE ferrari when i was a kid.

Ferrer

02-11-2009, 01:44 AM

I personally think that the F355 is the best looking of the Dinos, this side of a 206/246 GT.

I like the simplicity and the understatement. And of course it's a beauty.

fpv_gtho

02-11-2009, 06:48 AM

i really wish ferrari would stop with this evolution of the modena for their styling.

IMO the Enzo was the first Ferrari to show the current styling trends. The 360 shared styling with the 550/575 and the 456. All their replacements have looked like the Enzo.

LeonOfTheDead

02-11-2009, 07:29 AM

it would be the case if a mod could change the name of the thread to "Ferrari F142 spy shots" though, or people would think this is the replacement of the Enzo, while, as I repeated to the point of being sick of it, it's the F430 replacement, using a version of the California's engine, maybe still with a 4.7 liter displacement, and no turbo. maybe a sort of Kers system, but I'm not sure about that.

some other pics.

LeonOfTheDead

02-11-2009, 07:32 AM

and some more

btw, thr styling should be quite different from the one of the F430.
308/328 similar look, same chassis, different mechanics
348/F355 similar look, same chassis, different mechanics
360/F430 similar look (less), same chassis, different mechanics

with the mechanics of the 328 and 348 being quite similar, as for the F355 and 360, and so for the F430 and the upcoming 470 (?).

Kitdy

02-11-2009, 11:51 AM

I personally think that the F355 is the best looking of the Dinos, this side of a 206/246 GT.

I like the simplicity and the understatement. And of course it's a beauty.

The 360 I think is great too; don't you? F430 and 348 are a step down from the aforementioned three I believe.

Ferrer

02-11-2009, 12:46 PM

The 360 I think is great too; don't you? F430 and 348 are a step down from the aforementioned three I believe.
The 360 is fine, but third to the 355 and 206/246. The 348 suffers from Testarossaitis and F430 from Enzoitis.

Dino Scuderia

02-11-2009, 12:48 PM

The 348 suffers from Testarossaitis and F430 from Enzoitis.

Agreed.

Kitdy

02-11-2009, 03:38 PM

The 360 is fine, but third to the 355 and 206/246. The 348 suffers from Testarossaitis and F430 from Enzoitis.

I like the 'rossa and yes the F430's main flaw in my eyes is the rear deck with the can lights. If it had the behind of a 360 it'd be great. I wish in fact that the 355 had the 360's rear. Then it'd be perfect basically. (In my room I have a wood poster of a F430 and F355, I should get the 246 GT and 360 as well, maybe even the 348 too.

Ferrer

02-11-2009, 03:42 PM

I like the 'rossa and yes the F430's main flaw in my eyes is the rear deck with the can lights. If it had the behind of a 360 it'd be great. I wish in fact that the 355 had the 360's rear. Then it'd be perfect basically. (In my room I have a wood poster of a F430 and F355, I should get the 246 GT and 360 as well, maybe even the 348 too.
I actually like the small spoiler in the back of the F355, it flows well with the lines of the car. The flat end of the 360 would probably look too plain on the F355.

The only thing I don't like on the F355 are the exhausts, which are too small and centered for my liking.

LeonOfTheDead

02-12-2009, 04:22 AM

I actually like the small spoiler in the back of the F355, it flows well with the lines of the car. The flat end of the 360 would probably look too plain on the F355.

The only thing I don't like on the F355 are the exhausts, which are too small and centered for my liking.

agree on the spoiler thing, I'm fine with the exhaust.
I think the F355 it's the best looking Ferrari since...I don't know.
I like the 288 GTO, or even the original 308, but the style changed so much in those years, those aren't really comparable to an F355, but I would take the latter (over a 308, not a GTO, I guess).

LeonOfTheDead

03-27-2009, 09:06 AM

First images of the actual car, probably, missing the bumpers though.
it seems the car will be at Frankfurt as previewed.

at the moment it seems like a patchwork, with the roof from a Zonda, the doors from the 599, and the mirrors from the 360.
too early to say.

source: leftlanenews

Dino Scuderia

03-27-2009, 11:14 AM

The door and rear fender look like they could be real parts of the new car....I suppose the roof too.

Dino Scuderia

03-27-2009, 11:47 AM

I suspect this is not that close to the real design...but it isn't bad in it's shape.

RacingManiac

03-27-2009, 12:25 PM

reminds me of that concept car that was touted as NSX replacement from a couple of years back.....

Is this meant to be the next F430?

Ferrer

03-27-2009, 12:34 PM

Is this meant to be the next F430?
Yes it is.

john14

03-28-2009, 09:50 AM

Yes it is.

I don't think the F142 will look as stunning as a F355.

RacingManiac

03-28-2009, 10:17 AM

I think it does look like a "next Ferrari". Its obviously a aero-driven design evolution, much like Enzo was....

jump15vc

03-30-2009, 08:34 AM

i like the way it looks, like a swoopier, cleaner version of an f430

LTSmash

04-07-2009, 10:34 AM

Spy Shots: Ferrari F450 mule spotted fresh off the truck

The long lenses over at Team Lehmann have just uncovered what looks to be the Ferrari F450, successor to the Italian marque's already legendary F430.

While just a prototype and not caught with full production bodywork, the mule does give us our best look yet at the coming V8 supercar, and while it looks evolutionary, the folks at AutoExpress also have a rendering that forecasts a markedly different Mille Chili/Enzo-esque appearance for the mid-engined coupe.

The F450 is widely expected to ring in with a larger 4.5-liter eight-cylinder packing upwards of 500 horsepower (hence its name), and the car is pegged to get the stonking seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox first offered in the company's California folding hardtop model, and AutoExpress figures it may even be the first production Ferrari to employ the company's Kenetic Energy Recovery System used in its F1 cars. The system takes advantage of energy stored under braking and translates it into extra power.

While Modena has yet to confirm when the car will make its debut, AE reckons it is due for the Frankfurt Motor Show this Fall. If the F450 follows company protocol, European sales will follow shortly thereafter, with U.S. sales commencing sometime in calendar 2010.

SOURCE: F430 -- Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/tag/F430/)

Road car with the KERS? Why don't they just make a hover craft that shoots lasers?

LeonOfTheDead

04-07-2009, 01:29 PM

SOURCE: F430 -- Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/tag/F430/)

Road car with the KERS? Why don't they just make a hover craft that shoots lasers?

because it isn't true.
KERS (aka efficientdynamics by BMW, it wouldn't be a need for speed-ish press-to-go-faster thinghy) is far from production. really far.
Frankfurt should be the right date for the unveiling, if so, expect a bunch of new and better spy shots to emerge during summer (as it happened with the California last year).

Macross Rs

04-17-2009, 09:18 PM

please, make it smaller and lighter than F430.....

Dino Scuderia

04-20-2009, 04:29 AM

please, make it smaller and lighter than F430.....

Then it would be a Lotus Elise. Ferrari doesn't need to go there.

Tati25

04-20-2009, 09:32 AM

A new ferrari is always good news. I like it, but there's just too many pics to be spy i think...

LeonOfTheDead

04-20-2009, 09:37 AM

A new ferrari is always good news. I like it, but there's just too many pics to be spy i think...

if they weren't spy shots you would have seen a lot of images from Italy, first of all, then, if this aren't soy shots because they are too much, what about the Panamera?!

Tati25

04-22-2009, 05:01 AM

I don't know, what's true to some may not be true to others. The firts pics shown have good quality, although in others the photographer seems to be in a more hidden place... But i can only speculate...

Macross Rs

04-26-2009, 04:26 AM

Then it would be a Lotus Elise. Ferrari doesn't need to go there.
No one expects a Lotus Elise from Ferrari, but it will be nice if ferrari build a new car that is lighter than F430(Still miss F355), less weight = good performace and good handling

Ferrer

04-26-2009, 04:34 AM

No one expects a Lotus Elise from Ferrari, but it will be nice if ferrari build a new car that is lighter than F430(Still miss F355), less weight = good performace and good handling
Indeed weight kills everything.

Dino Scuderia

04-26-2009, 04:42 AM

No one expects a Lotus Elise from Ferrari, but it will be nice if ferrari build a new car that is lighter than F430(Still miss F355), less weight = good performace and good handling

The 430 Scuderia weighs 1350 kilo....what weight do you propose for a 'new' Ferrari which has 500+ HP?

Ferrer

04-26-2009, 04:46 AM

The 430 Scuderia weighs 1350 kilo....what weight do you propose for a 'new' Ferrari which has 500+ HP?
But if you saved weight, why would you need +500bhp in the first place?

Dino Scuderia

04-26-2009, 04:51 AM

But if you saved weight, why would you need +500bhp in the first place?

You may not need it...but in marketing it's been a HP war lately. There is no demand for lighter, lower HP cars or these companies would be making them.

Ferrer

04-26-2009, 04:56 AM

You may not need it...but in marketing it's been a HP war lately. There is no demand for lighter, lower HP cars or these companies would be making them.
Except that thanks to our green friends there's starting to be one.

Dino Scuderia

04-26-2009, 04:59 AM

Except that thanks to our green friends there's starting to be one.

We'll see how that pans out in the supercar market.

Ferrer

04-26-2009, 06:45 AM

We'll see how that pans out in the supercar market.
The Ferrari Millechili concept is probably a good hint.

LeonOfTheDead

04-29-2009, 12:55 PM

New Ferrari F450 Mule Spy Video - Worldcarfans (http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090429.006/new-ferrari-f450-mule-spy-video)

to film this video they must have been inside of the track, no way you could be behind the fences. First, having been there, I recognize the place from which the video has been taken, second, if you aren't inside of the track, than you are inside one of the factories around the track. (violation for violation, I would have entered the track).

Also, I have personally seen the Scuderia lapping Fiorano, and this seems to be a lot faster. Also the sound is much deeper than before.

LeonOfTheDead

06-04-2009, 02:51 PM

some new shots of mules and protos, courtesy of...look at the watermark...

LeonOfTheDead

06-04-2009, 02:53 PM

moar...

LeonOfTheDead

06-04-2009, 02:55 PM

and 4 more.

Macross Rs

06-04-2009, 04:28 PM

Wooo....prove me im wrong, but i saw V8 with turbos in these new pics!!

I will be not surprised if ferrari brings Turbo back, cos they have been working on turbo engine for a long time.

who leaked these pics?someone working in Ferrari factory?

jump15vc

06-04-2009, 05:15 PM

twin turbo v8 would be amazing. it also means somewhere near 550 hp maybe more. also awesome

LeonOfTheDead

06-05-2009, 03:15 AM

it's an evolution of the California's engine, no turbos.

Ferrer

06-05-2009, 03:23 AM

it's an evolution of the California's engine, no turbos.
Thank god for that.

Altough this won't be available with a manual, will it?

LeonOfTheDead

06-05-2009, 03:39 AM

Thank god for that.

Altough this won't be available with a manual, will it?

Manual and DSG me thinks/remembers, will check. :)

LeonOfTheDead

06-10-2009, 01:32 PM

more shots.
A bit unsure on the manual gearbox, perhaps it will be offered later as for the California.

LeonOfTheDead

06-10-2009, 01:34 PM

Note the three exhaust pipes as in the F40, and the air intakes right after the lateral windows as in the Dino GT4.

LeonOfTheDead

06-10-2009, 01:49 PM

other shots I have on my HD

LeonOfTheDead

06-10-2009, 01:52 PM

moars

LeonOfTheDead

06-10-2009, 01:56 PM

more shots

LeonOfTheDead

06-10-2009, 01:59 PM

I didn't know I had so many shots of it

LeonOfTheDead

06-10-2009, 02:01 PM